09-25-1972 - Regular Meeting - Minutes•4
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA
SEPTEMBER 25, 1972
The regular meeting of the City Council was called to order at
7:30 p.m., in the West Covina Council Chambers by Mayor Robert Young.
The Pledge of Allegiance was given. The invocation was given by
Chief of Police Allen Sill.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Young; Councilmen: Shearer, Lloyd,
Nichols.
Absent:
Councilman Chappell.
Others present: George Aiassa, City Manager
George Wakefield, City Attorney
George Zimmerman, Public Services Director
Lela Preston, City Clerk
John Lippitt, Ass't. City Engineer
Bert Yamasaki, Ass't. Planning Director
Allen Sill, Chief of Police.
Mayor Young: Councilman Chappell is absent this evening
because he is ill. Perhaps Mr. Aiassa would
comment a little further on that for us.
Mr.'Aiassa: I just received a call before I came to the
meeting tonight. It appears that he has
either an appendicitis problem or another
serious thing and is very uncomfortable and asked to be excused tonight.
• Mayor Young: Thank you very much.
PRESENTATIONS
Mayor Young: At this time, do we have a representative here
from the Southern California Automobile Club
this evening? Would you step to the microphone,
sir, and identify yourself?
Mr. Hoffman, let me ask you a question. Do you
have an award to make here this evening?
Donald D. Hoffman I sure do, sir, and we are very proud to bring
Public Safety it to you. I certainly thank you, Mr. Mayor
Consultant and Councilmen. It's always a pleasure for me
to represent the Auto Club, being an employee,
but more than that, it's a mixed feeling that
I have because I feel so close to the City of West Covina, and I bring
to you an award tonight from the Triple A, the American Automobile
Association.
For some 30 years now, they have conducted
what is known as a pedestrian safety inventory and they have requested
the cities throughout the United States to cooperate and report on the
kinds of programs they have concerning pedestrian safety. This year
there were over 2, 146 cities that reported, and we are so happy to be
able to tell you tonight that for the sixth time in a row, the sixth
year in a row, that the City of West Covina is nationally recognized
for its pedestrian safety programming efforts.
I think, more than that, it's the statistics
that speak so loudly. For cities of the size of West Covina, and they
are all compared in a computer, you had an injury record of 1.5, while
all the rest of the cities, the lowest figure was over 3.0. That's
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twice as good as any
we think it would be
good Chief of Police
this year. But more
City has cooperated.
and if it weren't for
accomplished.
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other city. We think it is the programming. But
remiss if we didn't give much, much credit to our
Allen Sill and his deputy, who have worked so hard
than that, it's almost every organization in the
We know that you men certainly are interested,
your guiding hands there would be:very little
It's just been a real pleasure for me to bring
this to you because I feel very close to the City of West Covina and
I hope that I'll have this privilege many times in my short-lived
career. So, Mayor Young, if we could present this to you?
Mayor Young: I believe the appropriate recognition should
go to the enforcement agency. Chief Sill is
here this evening and he indicates that he
would like to have Deputy Chief Craig Meacham to receive this award.
Mr. Hoffman: Well, I'm glad to hear that,too, because I
know the hard work and the wonderful programs
they have instituted in town and enforced and
I know that it takes that in order to have a record like this.
Deputy Craig Meacham: Thanks to the Automobile Club and I accept
this on behalf of the City of West Covina and
the Police Department and in so doing I would
like to also recognize those who have assisted us in achieving this
award; persons such as the P.T.A. and representatives of that group,
and our own Police Officers' Wives Association who have helped us with
our Traffic Safety Town here in the schools. And I think it's such
assistance from the community that's helped us achieve this award.
Mayor Young: I'm sure I speak for the City
of the citizens when I add a
the Police Department for its
Council and all
commendation to
fine efforts.
Perhaps you've given this Council some undue
credit, although we do strive to continue our program of sidewalk
construction and safety measures and crossing guards and the like, and
we are just very proud we are able to maintain this record. I think
we couldn't do it without the dedicated Police Staff that we have.
Iwir.. Hoffman: That's what we recognize and thanks for your
hospitality.
Mayor Young: Thank you, sir: Let's have a hand.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
August 28, 1972, Mayor Young: Are there any additions or
September 11, 1972 corrections? Can we -handle these collectively?
Mr. Wakefield: Yes.
Motion made by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Nichols and
so carried to approve the minutes of August 28 and September 11, 1972.
• Councilman Shearer: If I may, I think in the past we have numerous
times -- perhaps not meant as criticism -- but
have asked questions as to why the minutes were
so late. I think it is well to note they are now current. September 11
was our last meeting, so I would direct a compliment to the City Clerk
and whoever else is responsible for preparing minutes, because they
will hear it when they are late, so perhaps they ought to hear it when
they are on time.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Shearer. Any further comments?
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Mayor Young: At this point, we will go to the consent
calendar. These are the itmes handled
more or less routinely in one motion.
These are the items you will find on pages 1, 2, and the first
item on page 3 of the Agenda. If there is any comment from the
.Public on any of the itmes 1 through 10 of the Agenda, this is the
time and place to address those comments to the Councill feel free
to step forward, anyone who's especially --concerned with any of these
items.
Mrs. Gerald Van Abel We have come in regard to --the sidewalks on
2210 East Norma Avenue Hollenbeck Street and we did want to stipulate
West Covina, and how important we feel they are and also mention
Il2rs. Richard Alexander that the 28 signatures are not complete. There
2211 James Avenue are more that we just did not get and we are
Item CC-1 d) sure they are also interested and, also, we
want to point out that there are way over 25
children that are using these streets.
Another thing we wanted to say is there is
going to be construction of the underpass going through there and
we feel that with the trucks and everything we are sure are going to
be traveling on there, we need the sidewalks for the children to
walk these three blocks to school. We feel they are very important
and we hope that somebody will go and see what it is like.And right
now they are doing some constructing of some sewers for drainage and
we were talking to some of the workers and he said, "Well, they are
going to be pouring now. See what can be done. Maybe it can be done
all together"because it's on the same street that we were interested in.
Mayor Young: We appreciate your comments and also your
petitions: I think that we all share an
• element of regret that apparently the matter
was overlooked earlier. I gathered from what I read in the material
before us, that you had talked with the City before and we are
referring this matter, we intend to refer this matter to Staff for
a very prompt report back as to what we can do and when we can do it.
Mrs. Van Abel: I had called, as I said in the letter, I had
called last.year because we knew that this
construction was going to be going on and
I was kind of led to believe that it would have taken place before
the construction so that the children would have sidewalks to walk on
while the construction was going on, and here, school has started
already, and nothing. They still have to walk in the middle of the
road to get to school.
Mrs. Alexander: I was just going to say they can't even walk
up on the peoples' yards because it's all
either ivy or shrubs and there is no place to
walk. And right now they are walking in the center lane of Hollenbeck
and that's the only place because they have to go around the work
trucks. And my children are five and seven, and I have to walk them
to school every day.
Mrs. Van Abel: Well,we-walk them to school, but there are
• many mothers who either work or just don't
take them to school, and we are, more or less,
cross -guarding them. And I think we each take care of 10 to 20
children to make sure they get to and from school.
Mayor Young: Mr. Aiassa, I take it we could have a very
prompt report back on this situation.
Mr. Aiassa: Yes, Mr. Zimmerman has received this matter
and had someone out in the field today, and
Mr. George Zimmerman will be contacting you
directly.
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Mayor Young: Thank you. Is there anyone else now that
would like to address the Council? Are
there comments from the Council Members?
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
• TOPICS Funds Councilman Shearer: Mr. Mayor, Item 1-a, a
Item CC-1a revision of -deadline for spending of certain.
Federal monies. Does this present any problem?
I noticed the recommendation -to me-rely•,receive and file, and was merely
wondering if they are presenting a problem to the City, being able to
obligate these TOPICS funds?
Mr. Aiassa: No,-_I..don't believe so, Councilman Shearer,
but Mr. Zimmerman -.can outline any items that
has certain specifics on any important issues.
I think the main thing we want to do is to actually receive the rough
draft report as it is outlined. And we have the representative Victor
Gruen here tonight to answer any questions, if the Council has any.
I think the main thing we were concerned about
is that we want to get Council approval so that we can finally get it
to the Division of Highways..and down the line to wherever it belongs.
We have been delayed for some time.
Mr. Zimmerman: Mr. Mayor and Members of the City Council, there
are actually two items on the Agenda tonight
covering the TOPICS program; one is the proposed
TOPICS report which is to be presented to the Division of Highways and
the other is the deadline date for the Department of Public Works a
reservation of TOPICS funds.
The City -of West Covina -is in good shape
. regarding the TOPICS funds. We are awarded, at the present time, an
interim contract which will -take -care of -any obligations we have to
spend funds at this time. And we have upon completion of the TOPICS
program or report and acceptance of it, we'll have additional projects
to obligate whatever funds are additionally..assigned_to.us. So we
feel the City is in good shape regarding the TOPICS funds.
Councilman Shearer-: Thank you.
Mayor Young: Councilman Lloyd?
Councilman Lloyd: I can't do anything about it, but I am
(Item CC-7) appalled is a good way to put ' it at the claim
of damages in item 7, Susan M. McVay. I read
this over, and having had a similar accident myself, and I guess I
must have goofed, Mr —City. Manager, I failed to sue the City when a
wheel collapsed on me while riding my bicycle.
The girl says she's riding her bicycle on
Vincent Avenue, and it turns out that the bars of the grating ran
parallel to Vincent rather than cross -wise. I just fail to understand
how people can live in a City and partake of the advantages and all of
the things that it has, and the minute they think there is a chance to
make a buck, then somehow we take over the responsibility, and they go
• forward with great gusto.
I personally am offended by this type of thing.
It is a legal action; it has nothing to do with this body. We will
refer.it to, I believe, the City Attorney, but I just couldn't not allow
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a comment to come on this type of thing. No wonder our society
has the problems it has. Everyone expects the Government to provide
everything, I guess. I'm annoyed.
Mayor Young: I'd like you to go to lunch with me tomorrow.
I have a professional response but I don't want
. to make it now. It has been.,suggested that
this particular item is at the moment under the auspices of the State
of California, not the City of West Covina, and I think that if we go
about establishing common hazards that do cause damage, that the one
who established such hazards should probably be responsible for it.
Councilman Lloyd: I'm sorry, because I repaired my face to the
tune of $1,000.
Councilman Shearer: I had another question or two, but I would like
to comment on the grates.
That's not a new issue with the organization
for which I work. A few years back many thousands of dollars were
spent to upgrade the grates so they would handle the then current
width of bicycle tires. As soon as it was completed, then the bicycle
manufacturers came out with thinner tires that then fell in between
the grates that we had just made smaller. So now we are in the process
of going back and surveying and spending more money. Then, I assume
the bicycle manufacturers will come out with a 1/8th of an inch in
diameter instead of a 1/4 inch. This is not a new situation.
1 b) OAKDALE Request for pre -zoning and annexation of 215
ESTATES, INC. acres in the South Hills area, southerly of
the Villas Annexation.
• Councilman Shearer: On Item 1 b), just for my own curiosity, the
request for pre -zoning and annexation. Do we
have any clue as to what the owner wants in
the way of zoning on this 215 acres?
Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Shearer, the South Hills area, this is the
area that's close to the Villas annexation.
The reason we want it to be referred to Staff
is that we wanted to make a complete report for the Council before we
even proceed with the annexation. It's a question of lot sizes and a
few other items.
Councilman Shearer: Has the developer given any clue that he is
going to want MF 20 or something like that on
this 200 acres? Do we have any indication of
that or am I jumping the gun in asking?
Mr. Aiassa: You are kind of jumping the gun because he's
going to meet with the Staff and review.
Councilman Shearer: I won't pursue the question.
Mayor Young: Any further comments?
•TRAFFIC COMMITTEE
MINUTES Item 10 Councilman Shearer: On the Traffic Committee
Minutes, I'd like to make a comment. With
regard to the request, I think this needs to
be said to show that the City Council does attempt, sometimes unsuc-
cesfully, to respond to what the people want, or at least to what
the people think they want.
Item 2, with regard to the cul-de-sac on Danes
Avenue, a rather small item sometime back, someone came to the Council
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reportedly representing, if I'm not mistaken, the people on the
street. At the time the cul-de-sac and wall was constructed they
said they wanted a hole left in the wall, "So we can walk through."
So we graciously, I hope graciously, consented, "Yes, we will
leave the hole so that the residents can now walk through."
And now, tonight, we are faced with a petition
that says, "We don't want that hole in the wall, we want that boarded
up so that our children can't go through it because it's a hazard."
And the recommendation is, and I'm going to support it, that we go
put a gate and a lock so that the hole is no longer accessible. Which
I think is fine. I think it does illustrate that sometimes you can't
please some of the people or anybody, how does that go.
Mayor Young: You've got the key to it, Councilman Shearer.
Then we'll issue keys to anyone that wants
to walk through the hole and they can unlock
the gate, walk through, and lock it.
Councilman Shearer: But that's just an illustration of which way
to go.
Councilman Lloyd: Not only that, Councilman Shearer, I'd like to
point out that the gentleman in question
approached me. I was the Councilman he spoke
to. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, from the time that he called me
I called Mr. Zimmerman and I believe Mr. Zimmerman already had a
response. Even though the newspaper noted with a certain amount of
glee that, boy, the Council will really respond; and it did, as a
matter of fact. And I'd like to see that pointed out. We really
did respond and the strange part of it was that it wasn't as a
result of the complaint but it was a result of an honest endeavor
to meet the demands of the citizenry of this City.
Councilman Shearer:
Mayor Young:
Councilman Nichols:
Mayor Young:
(Item CC=10)
Item 10 but sub -item 1,
prohibited on the east
to the property at 910
That's why the hole was there to begin with,
in response to the citizenry. We are not
that indifferent.
All right. Anything further, Mr. Shearer?
Councilman Nichols?
No, Mr. Mayor.
Anything further, Councilman Lloyd?
I have a comment to,make and this is the
a request of Doctor Moghtader to get parking
side of Sunset, south of the north driveway
South Sunset Avenue.
That's because his patients find a:traffic
hazard getting out to Sunset Avenue during the busy hours of the day.
And it is recommended by the Traffic Committee that this restriction
be granted, "No Stopping at Any Time," on the 50 feet of the east curb
of Sunset Avenue south to the property at 910 South Sunset. Now, what
disturbs me is that I made this identical request three months ago on
behalf of a citizen who uses Roseway Avenue, and the Traffic Committee
investigated the situation and came up with the same data that comes
up in support of the Moton•tonight.
Namely, that there haven't been any accidents,
and that if you have clear windshields and so forth, there really isn't
any hazard. So the request that I made was denied from Roseway down
past Doctor Moghtader's Clinic. Doctor Moghtader wanted it and it's
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recommended. I don't know whether to engage
funnel my future requests through him or just
bit disturbed and we have the same criteria,
same use.
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Doctor Moghtader to
what. But, I'm a little
the same factors, the
The resident wants it and they don't get it;
the professional man in the area wants it for his patients and does.
I'd like to see that, "No Parking," extended on down the other 50 feet
or so, down to the Roseway intersection so that both our residents in
the area and the Doctor's patients can both have a safe exit from that
immediate area onto Sunset Avenue.
If you will refer back to two or three months
ago, you'll find this very thoroughly covered and I'd like to see this
treatment extended to the entire area.
Councilman Nichols: I had noted that and I thought, well, let it
go. But there is some concern in my mind
about.painting these red curbs upon request.
It follows a little bit along the line of the logic that you have
raised but goes to a greater extent than that.
You have driveways all over the City that:khave
rather considerable traffic going in and out of them, all the school
district, school parking lots, and various business establishments and
restaurants; and if it's good for one it should be equally good for
the other and if we start granting this, I don't know where we are
going to stop really.
I see a traffic hazard there, but I also see
it in a thousand other locations around the City, a hazard to the
extent that a person must proceed very cautiously coming out onto the
• highway. But what about the next party that comes in and wants 50
feet of red curb adjacent to his business?
Mayor Young: If it's a legitimate traffic hazard, he ought
to have it. I'm convinced that it's a legiti-
mate traffic hazard. I'm convinced because
I've had vociferous complaints from the residents on Roseway Avenue
about it. Now, I'm exaggerating. I've had it from one and it happens
to be a friend of mine who lives down there and some friends of his
had spoken to him about it and would he talk to Bob Young about it,
so here it comes.
In this specific location, the movement at
that location is definitely professional as opposed to residential.
It so happens that Doctor Moghtader has already purchased a house
that fronts Roseway. In other words, he also owns property northerly
of his north driveway down to the curb and plans to expand his medical
center there and we have already had extensive hearings here in regard
to that planned expansion.
So the only thing we're doing is taking up
Doctor Moghtader -- in essence, is depriving his own patients of
a place to park, and I commend him for his concern. I'm certainly not
at all resentful of that. I think it's very commendable that he has
•this concern, but I'm saying let's take up three or four more parking
spaces and satisfy the citizens down there.
Councilman Nichols: Well, I certainly agree it would be pretty
hard for you to hold your head up among your
friends any more if we voted for this one part
of it. This same type of problem is why I usually don't speak to my
friends any more.
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Mayor Young: Well, I'm only in my third year on the Council,
so I don't know just what's appropriate here.
Councilman Shearer: I would suggest we refer this one item back
to Staff to study the whole stretch of street
. then determine what is appropriate and what
is not appropriate.
Mr. Aiassa: May I interject some information. I was
cornered at the bank today by Doctor Moghtader
and it appears that there is a very large
camper, and this man continuously and habitually parks in that one
stall and it just blocks out the complete vision of anyone coming out
of the parking lot. He saw me today before I even talked to any of
the Traffic Committee Members and I think the one that you mentioned,
I would suggest it be referred back to the Traffic Committee and have
them re-evaluate it, now that you've already established a precedent
here.
Mayor Young: I don't want to give Doctor Moghtader his deal
unless we give the citizens on Roseway their
deal. That's the way I feel.
Motion was made by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Lloyd,
and carried to refer this item back to Staff.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
a) State Department of Public Works re revision of deadline dates
for reserving TOPICS funds. (Receive and file) (See discussion on page
b) Oakdale Estates, Inc., re request for pre -zoning and 4)
annexation of 215 acres in the South Hills area southerly
of the Villas Annexation. (Refer to Staff) (See discussion on page 5.)
c) Ed Laberge, 1809 East Danes Drive, West Covina, re opening
in wall of Cul-de-sac on Danes Drive. (Refer to Item .2 of
Traffic Committee Minutes, Agenda Item # CC-10) (See discussion on pa es
5&6
d) Mrs. Gerald Van Abel, 2210 East Norma Avenue, West Covina,
including petition with 28 signatures requesting sidewalks
to be installed on the E/S/O Hollenbeck Street between
Walnut Creek Parkway and James -Avenue.. (Refer to Staff XSee discussion
on page 3 & 4)
e) West Covina Plaza Merchants Association re Contract with
Valley Decorating Company for Christmas decorations in Plaza
Area. (Refer to Staff)
2. PLANNING COMMISSION
a) Review Summary of Action for September 20, 1972. (Receive
and file)
3. RECREATION AND PARKS COMMISSION. None
. 4. HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION
a) Minutes of September 7, 1972. (Adj.Mtg.) (Receive and file)
5. YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSION
a) Minutes of August 15, 1972. (Receive and file).
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b) Review Summary of Action of August 22, 1972. (Receive and file)
c) Review Summary of Action of September 19, 1972. (Receive and
file)
6. ACCEPTANCE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR RELEASE OF BONDS
• a) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 145 - AMERICAN MOBILEHOME COMPANY.
Location: Northeast corner of Valley Boulevard and Sentous
Avenue. Accept street improvements and authorize release of
American Casualty Company of Reading, Pennsylvania Bond No.
55 4 9678 in the amount of $37,000. (Staff recommends
acceptance)
b) TRACT NO. 29126 - BRUTOCO DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
Location: East.Side of Azusa Avenue, south of Francisquito
Avenue. Review Engineer's report and authorize release of
the Western Casualty and Surety Company Bond No. 340735 in
the amount of $3,000. (Staff recommends release)
c) PRECISE PLAN NO. 622, REV. 1 - WALSH-PORKERT CIVIL ENGINEERS,
INC. Location: East side of Orange Avenue, north of Garvey
Avenue. Accept street and sidewalk improvements and authorize
release of cash deposit in the amount of $500. (Staff
recommends acceptance)
7. CLAIM FOR DAMAGES FILED WITH CITY CLERK
a) Susan M. McVay, 18308 Kirkwall Road, Azusa. Bicycle tire
went through drain grate on Vincent Avenue under the freeway
overpass. (Deny and refer to Insurance Carrier and City
Attorney) (Discussion on Pages 4 and 5)
8. ABC APPLICATIONS
a) Robert C. and Mae E. Carroll) dba FRED'S CLUB EAST
2125 South Eadbury ) 4116 South Nogales Street
Rowland Heights )
(Chief of Police recommends NO PROTEST)
9. CITY TREASURER'S REPORT - Month of August, 1972. (Receive and file)
10. TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES - Septemb r 19, 1972. (Receive and file)
(See discussion on pages 6,7 & 8)
Motion made by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer and
carried on roll call vote to approve foregoing Consent Calendar Items
1 through 10, except Item 1 of the Traffic Committee Minutes, CC-10,
as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer, Nichols, Lloyd., Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
RESOLUTION NO. 4631.
• ADOPTED The City Attorney presented:
(Precise Plan No. 613) "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA ACCEPTING A GRANT DEED EXECUTED
BY SUNSET -PARKWAY MALL ENTERPRISES, A GENERAL
PARTNERSHIP; -AND DIRECTING THE RECORDATION
THEREOF." Location: Northeast corner of Sunset
Avenue and West Covina Parkway, adjacent to the
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Water Wheel restaurant. (Review Engineer's
report)
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer to adopt
said resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer, Nichols, Lloyd, Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
RESOLUTION NO. 4632 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA APPROVING.PRECISE PLAN OF DESIGN
NO. 638. (Thomas M. Yedor)" Location: 2817
E. Valley Boulevard.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer to adopt
said resolution. motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer, Nichols, Lloyd , Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
RESOLUTION NO. 4633 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA GRANTING A VARIA14CE (VARIANCE
APPLICATION NO. 683 - Leendert Schonewiile)"
Location: Northeast corner of Vine and
Valinda Avenues.
• Mayor Young: I am going to have to vote against this to be
consistent with my earlier position on this
matter.
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Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, to adopt
said resolution. Motion carried'on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer, Nichols, Lloyd.:_..
NOES: Mayor Young.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
Councilman Nichols: I'd like to interject a request of the City
Manager. Mr. Aiassa, I think it.would be very
appropriate if during the course of the meeting
you could dispatch one of your assistants to try to determine the nature
of Councilman Chappell's difficulty and attempt to inform the Council
before adjournment
Mr. Aiassa: I was going to do this during the recess.
GENERAL AGENDA ITEMS
AWARD OF BIDS
BID NO. -73-17
FIRE HOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT
PUMPER AND REPLACEMENT HOSE FOR MAINTENANCE
PURPOSES. (Bids received) (Council reviewed
report)
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, to approve
and accept the bid of Halprin Supply Company in the amount of $5,129.00.
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The motion was carried on a roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer,
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
PUBLIC WORKS
Nichols, Lloyd, , Young.
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STREET NAME CHANGE Mayor Young: The next item is a proposed
Center St. to Garvey Ave. street name change, Center Street to Garvey
Avenue at the area between California Avenue
and State Street. You have before you the Engineer's report and
recommendation.
May I inquire at this point, are there members
of the audience who desire to object to this proposed name change? If
so, please step forward, state your name and state your objections.
Anyone? Hearing no objections --
Councilman Shearer: Mayor, could I.ask a question in this regard?
Since it sounds sort of like a hearing, was
there any notification given to people on the
street that they'd have an opportunity to come in and object?
Mr. Aiassa: I believe, Councilman Shearer, there is only
one person that actually fronts on Center
Street that is affected by that name, and I
think our Staff contacted him.
• Mr. Zimmerman: Yes, Mr. City Manager, the people were all
contacted and all came back with affirmative
suggestions that they were in accord with the
name change. The Union Oil Company felt it was too difficult to put
their answer in writing -- but the rest of the people have -- because of
their large corporate structure, but the rest of the people have all
returned a positive answer; they have no objection to it.
Mayor Young: I think this is, a matter of the Chamber of
Commerce Committee who put a great deal of
time as well to bring this about. Any further
questions or discussion?
RESOLUTION NO. 4634 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA CHANGING THE NAME OF CENTER
STREET WITHIN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA TO
GARVEY AVENUE."
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Lloyd to adopt
said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer;, Nichols, Lloyd,, Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
•
REQUEST FOR ALLOCATION AND PAYMENT OF COUNTY AID TO CITIES (ATC)
FUNDS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF SELECT SYSTEM STREETS. -Location:
Select System Streets throughout the City. Reviewed Engineer's
report.)
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RESOLUTION NO. 4635 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA REQUESTING AN ALLOCATION AND
PAYMENT OF COUNTY AID TO CITIES FUNDS FOR THE
MAINTENANCE OF SELECT SYSTEM STREETS."
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, and
carried to waive further reading of the body of the foregoing
resolution.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, to adopt
said resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer; Nichols, :Lloyd, Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
REVISED SELECT SYSTEM OF STREETS AND HIGHWAYS
Location: Citywide. Reviewed Engineer's report.
RESOLUTION NO. 4636 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA ADOPTING A REVISED SELECT
SYSTEM OF STREETS AND HIGHWAYS.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by IVIayor Young, and carried to
waive further reading of the body of the foregoing resolution.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer to adopt
said resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer;; Nichols, i. Lloyd:; Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
FIVE YEAR PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM 1972-1977
Mayor Young: You have before you the report from the
Engineer along with a rather extensive
review of this program.
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, I was wondering if I could rise to
a point of privilege on this. I really --
although I glanced through this thing and each
year in the past I remember briefings and things on it -it does
pertain to the Five Year Program. Being handed this on a Friday
afternoon, in reality a Sunday morning, which is really when I get
around to it, I think. I would like to have a bit more explanation
than coming in starting out and adopt the Five Year Plan, because
I'm not really sure I understand all that's in it.
• Mayor Young: Your point is well taken. Would you like a
discussion at this time, or are you asking
that the matter be deferred, Councilman Lloyd?
Councilman Lloyd: I think it is the kind of thing that could
perhaps be scheduled in a briefing. I don't
really understand what the difference is
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between this year and last year and the year before. And I thought,
we had a very fine briefing by Mr. Zimmerman, as I recall it, a
special meeting about this, what was it, three years ago?.
Mr. Zimmerman: Yes. We yearly made some sort of a presentation.
Councilman Lloyd: But you really gave a very in-depth one about
three years ago.
Mr. Zimmerman: I think you are right.
Councilman Lloyd: I thought that if the other Councilman feel
that they are on top of it, I wouldn't want
to burden anyone else with it, but would you
mind, a5_:a courtesy to me, to have someone explain it to me in a bit
more depth, and I don't think we should hold up the meeting for it.
Mayor Young: Could we inquire, is there any urgency to
the adoption of this, this particular
evening?
Mr. Aiassa: Not this evening, but it should be adopted.
Mayor Young: May the matter be tabled; would you like to
make a motion to table the matter until the
next regular meeting, would that be adequate?
Mr. Aiassa: I think it might be advisable that we do
carry it over to our meeting in October,
because on our field tour, two councilmen
were not present and this would give them an opportunity to make the
field tour.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer and
carried to hold over until October 10, 1972= meeting.
Mayor Young: I think your point is well taken and I would
like to look at it furthe,r.. myself, as.. a
matter of fact. We'll follow through individu-
ally then I take it.
Mr. Aiassa: We are going to schedule a field trip for the
councilmen who were not able to make it.
TOPICS STUDY - PRELIMINARY DRAFT
Councilman Lloyd: I think that's all really connected, don't
you, Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Young: I'm inclined to think so. I must confess,
I haven't read either one of these booklets
I think the motion is very well taken.
• If we handle this in similar fashion, does that involve any of your
timing, Mr. City Manager, with respect to two projects?
Mr. Aiassa: It involves two projects, doesn't it,
Mr. Zimmerman?
Mr. Zimmerman: Mr. Mayor, Members of the City Council, and
Mr. City Manager, the projects are actually
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underway now in a previously approved interim program which covers very
nearly half of the TOPICS study items and were previously approved
during the study. The consultant who prepared the study, Mr. Marx of
Gruen Associates, is here tonight. However, holding this over would not
stop any apparent action which is going toward construction.
Mayor Young: Well, is it the desire of Mr. Marx to make
any formal presentation?
Councilman Lloyd: I would like to hear from Mr. Marx. I have
read over the report and unfortunately again
I fall in an unpleasant situation, I don't
fully understand what I'm reading. It's probably because I'm not
always so bright or.,bebause I'm not really well informed. So why
don't you come forward and enlighten us.
Harold Marx Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I'd be glad
Victor Gruen to answer questions that you may have, but
Associates since you haven't read it, I suppose we could
start with what the intent of the program was,
what the study consisted of and briefly what
we concluded. The project was intended to uncover the deficiencies
existing from a traffic standpoint in the City of West Covina and
this is what the study was all about. It uncovered a series of
deficiencies based on a lot of different criteria and based on the
deficiencies, we established a set of priorities as to what deficien-
cies should be corrected first.
Many of these are already under way in the
contract, and the remainder of them would be included in your total
Five Year TOPICS Program, and we have a series of recommendations.
There are nine traffic signal recommendations at nine intersections.
You have a series of other recommendations concerning street -name
signs, illuminated street -name signs, minor improvements, pavement
delineators, that is these little reflector buttons you put in
pavement to make it easier for the motorists to see where the
alignment of the highway is.
And, all in all, we consider this to be a
program which will, for some years to come, relieve the most critical
deficiencies we were able to uncover as a result of this survey.
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Marx, I appreciate that and I got the
feeling you were about ready to quit. I
read with some interest that one of the
things that was in the report that you had selected Cortez and I
forget the street, it's east of here, you are recommending a signal.
And I have passed that way several times and I was trying to --
many times in just moving about the City - - how you arrived at that,
for instance, for a signal.
And I was thinking -of the corner of Cameron
and Barranca, where Cameron turns off from Barranca and goes off
into the hills and goes wandering until it comes through on Grand, and
I note that the traffic is just overwhelming. For instance, on the
corner of Barranca and Cameron, flowing both east and west, and then
you have the turning in to the south. People who are students at
Mt. Sac, you have them going up Barranca turning left on Cameron, and
wandering through the hills to hit Grand.
People are also coming in down Cameron, for
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instance, moving easterly. Students are flowing from Cameron on the
east down into South Hills High School. And, as a matter of fact,
it was so difficult that I took the liberty of mentioning it to the
City Manager today, and I wonder if maybe I missed it; why a signal
wasn't picked for that site?
Mr. Marx: Well, I'd like to propose that my assistant
who is here with me would be more familiar with
the specifics of that location. May I intro-
duce him? Walter Labs. He probably can answer some of your questions.
Walter Labs Mr. Mayor, Members of the City Council, we
Victor Gruen did look at five basic areas in our study and
Associates one of them was traffic control deficiencies.
In traffic control deficiencies we studied
where signals might be required. And of
course, the criteria we used were that established by the Division
of Highways of the Federal Government in the Manual for Uniform
Traffic Control Devices.
At the particular intersection in discussion,
the existing volume did not meet the established warrants. Now, the
volumes were obtained from data furnished by the City and that was
collected in the early portion of the study. If the volumes have
changed materially during the study, we are not aware of it. However,
with existing volumes, a signal was not warranted.
At Azusa and Cortez, the warrant is a so-called
interruption warrant and it is based on the high speeds on Azusa which
lower the urban warrant to 70 percent of that established and the
so-called rural warrant which is that used in rural areas and on
high-speed roadways.
Councilman Lloyd: I was not questioning you on the decision
on the signal at Azusa and Cortez. I
certainly concurred with it, but then what
I did was transfer my attention to this other area and the flow is
sufficient to, really, I don't know what the period of time was that
the decision was made that there is not enough traffic.
Mr. Labs: Of course, the warrants are based on the
eight highest hours of the traffic day.
Councilman Lloyd: But would that have been made in the
summertime?
Mr. Labs: I would have to look back at our data to see
when the actual count was made, sir.
Councilman Lloyd: --The summertime is a very low flow situation.
But if it begins in September and runs
through till June, I think it is a great deal
higher. That's trivia. I am asking questions which you don't have
the instantaneous answers to and I'm basing my reaction on kind of a
gut level situation. But I would appreciate it if Staff would kind of
look into that and tell me how they came up with the decision when
• my experience has been that there is tremendous traffic in that area
and I thought it merited more than just a stop sign.
Mayor Young: Are there any other questions of Mr. Marx or
Mr. Labs? We appreciate you gentlemen being
here tonight. I think that will do it.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS - Zone Ch. Ap. No. 463 9/25/72
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer and carried
to hold this item over to the next regular meeting.
• PUBLIC HEARINGS
SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE PLAN - AREA II, REVISION 2 (Supplement 1).
Mayor Young: I believe that Item 2) is related directly
to that; is it not? Zone Change Application
No. 463. Can these be handled in a single
hearing, Mr. Wakefield?
Mr. Wakefield:
Yes, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Young: Items 1 and 2, that will conclude the Public
Hearings. Do we have a Staff report? We have
a report before us, is there anything to add
to that report?
Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Bert Yamasaki is here to relate the report
of the Planning Commission.
Mr. Yamasaki: Mr. Mayor, the subject of the first action of
the Planning Commission which is Resolution
No. 2431 covers a specific plan for the develop-
ment of the area from the Toyota dealership on the west side of Glendora
Avenue, southerly to the area developed as the Human Resources Building.
That whole stretch of the westerly portion of
• Glendora was studied and the Planning Commission adopted this
Resolution that would require a Precise Plan of development for this
entire stretch, and I'll cover more of the particulars in the
Resolution for the zone change and Precise Plan.
(Slide) Here is the set of the first few
houses beginning from the Toyota dealership running southerly.
(Slide) And that is the last house in the
stretch which is being considered this evening.
(Slide) This is the General Plan which calls
for Service -Commercial in this area.
(Slide) And the South Glendora Avenue Plan
also calls for the Service -Commercial type of development for this
stretch of Glendora Avenue as well. The object of this first Resolution
was to establish a Price Plan of Development which would require
building mass and location, circulation and the like, to be uniform
so that it would be developed as a single entity.
for the general area. (Slide) These are the current configurations
• (Slide) And these are the renderings for the
proposed development itself, a shed -type with the drainage flowing to
the front of the building or to the Glendora frontage.
Mayor Young: Isn't there a better term for that than shed -type?
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Mr. Yamasaki: It is a single -pitched structure.
(Slide) And this is a rendering of the
proposed development. It will have a tile roof, laminated beams,
and indentations for the parking and the protrusions are additional
•office spaces. There will be circulation in the front of the
building with all of the off-street parking in the front.
(Slide) This is the study plan. The area
in dark red is the area for the proposed development immediately.
The area that is outlined in the light purple is the future phase
which is owned by other parties, other than the developer of this
development and the associates of the first phase.
The Planning Commission also adopted
Resolution No. 2432, which did cover the proposed zone change and
the Precise Plan. There are a number of waivers that were requested.
This is a rather difficult series of parcels to develop because of
the lot depth and because of the multitude of ownerships.
The lot depth was reduced from 140 feet to
130 feet. The rear yard set -back was reduced from 15 to 10 feet,
which included a 5-foot dedication on Glendora Avenue. The waiver
of the minimum lot size of 15,000 square feet was also waived because
the major property owners own all but one lot, and we felt that if
the conditions of approval require the development of the first five
lots, this would in fact, serve the same purpose as the minimum
lot -size required by ordinance.
And also, since this is a single -scheme
development, that a reduction of the side yard requirements for each
individual property owner would also be acceptable to the Staff and
• to the Planning Commission.
Therefore, the Planning Commission did adopt
that Resol�-ition and, subject to a number of conditions including, for
the interest of,the Council, reciprocal easements subject to the
approval of the City Attorney, which would assure a uniform and
coordinated development between the first phase and the second and
third phases as the property owners became able to develop the
southern portion of it.
Architectural achievements to protect the
existing single-family residences to the rear and integrated circu-
lation on the front of Glendora as well as including the limited
number of driveways, in order to minimize the points of conflict
onto Glendora. Those, basically, are the conditions of approval as
adopted in the Resolution by the Planning Commission.
There are other standards, engineering and
Fire Department and building requirements and are also a part of the
Resolution. That's the report.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Yamasaki.
This is the time and place for the Public
• Hearing on this matter. Is there anyone in the audience who would
like to testify in favor of this particular area plan and zone
change? If so, please step forward, identify yourself by name and
address and please be sworn by the City Clerk.
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In Favor
Art Pizzo (Mr. Pizzo was sworn in by the City Clerk.)
183 Kenworthy Drive
Pasadena As this property stands now, it represents
• a definite eyesore for the people that pass
by. It's no good for the property owner and
it's no good for the City. As you all know today, the cost of building
and land have skyrocketed. When you add to this the high quality of
development now required by the City of West Covina, all this makes
building costs almost prohibitive.
Unless the small property owner is allowed
some flexibility as to the use of his property, he can't very well
survive. As for building small offices, first of all, I don't see
any need for this type of development in our City at present. Most
of the small office developments have a high rate of vacancy because
they are in direct competition with major office buildings where
service shops and specialty shops are not in direct competition with
general merchandising stores.
We need very much to relocate our service
shops to a Central Business District; key service shops and speciality
stores are very much needed in our City. For this we would like to
have the existing OP Zone changed to Service -Commercial, and unanimously
develop five lots in a row, or a minimum of four in a row and establish
a uniform pattern for the rest of the block, so as to have a modern
and eye appealing up-to-date development.
West Covina is the Center City of the San
Gabriel Valley with aims to become the largest city in the valley. In
order to achieve this goal, we need large businesses as well as small
•business. No progressive city in the world is made just of big
business or big property owners. For the benefit of all concerned,
I hope the Staff will unanimously recommend that this parcel of land
be zoned for Service -Commercial. Thank you.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Pizzo.
Is there anyone else who desires to testify
in favor of these two
particular requests? If so, please step forward.
Is there anyone who desires to speak in opposition? If so, this is
your time to voice your opposition.
In Opposition
Steve Rico
(Mr. Rico was sworn in by the City Clerk.)
La Mesa Drive
As parking is the problem there now, will there
be plenty of parking for this new development?
Mayor Young:
Well, Mr. Rico, I wouldn't purport to answer
that except as I just viewed the slides myself
indicating a considerable amount of off-street
parking.
. Mr. Rico:
Mr. Mayor, I think that should be considered
before it goes on to vote, because the
Employment Office is there and then the Shopping
Bag, and I think they
are going to have a lot of conflication.
Councilman Lloyd:
Mr. Rico, do I understand that you are in
opposition?
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Mr. Rico: I'm not in opposition, but I'm concerned
about the parking, because the Employment
Office has had a problem there, also the
Shopping Bag area, and I think that should be considered before
. we go forward, that's all.
Mayor Young: Anything further, Mr. Rico?
Mr. Rico: That's all.
Mayor Young: Fine, thank you very much,sir. Is there
anyone else who,. -would like to speak.
Mr. Pizzo, you have the opportunity to
respond.to Mr. Rico's comments if you would like, sir.
1!Q!9tUULUJ,1%A
Mr. Pizzo: Well, as far as the parking, we have the
required parking, whatever the City requires
for the zone. So I don't see where it should
be any problem.
Mayor Young: We'll request further comment from the Staff
on that as well.
Mr. Rico: They said they had sufficient parking for
Human Resources and Development up there.
Mayor Young: Yes, sir, I am familiar with that.
Mr. Rico: And it never worked out that way.
• THERE BEING NO FURTHER PUBLIC TESTIMONY, PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Yamasaki, would you comment on the
parking?
Mr. Yamasaki: Mr. Mayor, the development proposed both for
this immediate phase and future phases does
include enough off-street parking to meet
the needs or meet the requirement for Service -Commercial, for retail
and all kinds of uses and service.
Councilman Lloyd: You say it meets it; would it exceed it?
Mr. Yamasaki: It does not exceed the minimum requirements,
it does meet them.
Councilman Lloyd: In other words, they have exactly as many
parking spots as the City requires with
regard to this type of business and all the
variables that go into it; is that correct?
• Mr. Yamasaki: That's correct.
Councilman Lloyd: Although it's not germane to the subject and
is not really relevant, would you comment on
that Human Resources? I remember the thing
and, correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Yamasaki, we were promised some
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Zone Ch. Ap. No. 463
things by the Human Resources and all the rest of it. They were
going to open some streets or something and somehow that never
materialized; is that correct?
. Mr. Yamasaki: One of the factors on the Human Resources
Building and the off-street parking is that
it does also meet the requirements, but it
is an unusual kind of use and a particularly heavy generator. And
now, in this particular economic situation we are in. The Staff has
worked with the property owners in the shopping center. We've
worked with the property owners to the rear for possible expansion
of the parking lot to the rear and things have not worked out ideally.
The situation still remains rather critical on the Human Resources
Building.
Councilman Lloyd: And you are still continuing to try to find
solutions there?
Mr. Yamasaki: That's correct. We haven't done anything in
the last six months or so, but there has been
some definite action before that.
Councilman Lloyd: Thank you. The reason I did this, Mr. Rico,
was to give you a response, even though that
response has nothing to do whatsoever with
the item at hand. I thought you were entitled to that. However,
the answer was by Staff and by the people who are represented by
Mr. Pizzo. All the people?
Mr. Pizzo: Just the part that's going to be off right now.
• Councilman Lloyd: Anyhow, they meet the requirements set by
the City so we would have to consider that as
fulfilling the obligation as far as the City
is concerned. I am favorably disposed to this. It is going in the
right direction, and I'd like to see Glendora developed in this area.
I think it replaces at a considerable expense as indicated by Mr.Pizzo.
It is definitely an upgrading and if we can
do even in this short area, a small area in comparison to the total
area of the street, if we do it here, perhaps we generate an attitude
on the part of other merchants that they too would like to participate
in this upgrading. And I think this speaks well for the City.
Mayor Young: Any further comments? Councilman Nichols?
Councilman Nichols: Just as a matter of clarification, we have
indicated that parking spaces are provided
to meet the minimum requirements of the zone,
but do not delve into any of the specifics. Could you just for a
moment give us an indication of the numbers of stores that are being
built let's say in the first increment, and the number of parking
spaces that are being provided? Perhaps this would give us a better
picture of what we are talking about.
0 Mr. Yamasaki:
Mayor Young:
The first phase consists of about five stores
and offices, combinations of stores and
offices, and there are 43 parking spaces
required and 43 are being provided.
Are these profesAional-type offices?
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Mr. Yamasaki: Yes, they are. I believe Mr. Pizzo will be
relocating his jewelry store; there'll be an
insurance office, and I believe the others
are still tentative and I believe Mr. Pizzo will be looking for other
similar kinds of tenants.
• Councilman Nichols: One additional question. Since the Service -
Commercial Zone has been adopted, have we
seen a comparable type -of development come
in anywhere in the City? That is, a cluster of smaller units and
smaller retail operations?
Mr. Yamasaki: No, the Service -Commercial Zone is relatively
new and this particular property is also
unique in the sense that it is a series of
many ownerships on rather shallow lots. So a parallel situation has
not occurred recently.
Councilman Nichols: Based upon the Staff's analysis of this and
I don't recall anything specific was said
either in the Staff's report or in the
Commission, does Staff feel that the minimum requirement in the S-C
Zone would be sufficient to handle the normal expected generation of
vehicular traffic and on -site, long-term parking that might be expected?
Mr. Yamasaki: In this particular case because of the size
and configuration of the offices, it is
highly unlikely that the kind of heavy
generator, such as the Human Resources
Building, would occur in this development. However, it's impossible
to assure the Council that the heavy generator could not be located
in a building like this. Highly unlikely, however.
• NIayor` Young: Any further comments, Mr. Nichols?
Councilman Nichols: Well, yes, the only other response that I
would have is that at this particular stretch
of property has been a concern of the City in
terms of development potential for at least eight or nine years that
I know of. There have been proposals and specifics and days of anguish
and pain trying to come up with programs and joint-useages that would
make a sensible pattern of use.
I can recall the period when Mr. Jett was
attempting to develop one of the buildings down there and it has
always failed because of a lack of cooperation between various property
owners or their inability to develop a plan that seemed to be a logical
and rational use of the property.
Although this plan may not be ideal, if one had
a choice of areas in the City to locate, in terms of this property, I
think it is a very fine effort to make maximum attractive utilization
of the property, and I share the concern that has been expressed in
terms of traffic. But the alternates are no development at all, and
that is a very undesirable alternate for everyone that owns property
in that general area. So in terms of that and with the reassurance
• that we have been given to the extent it can be given, I certainly
join those who say they will approve.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Nichols. Mr. Shearer, do you
have anything to add?
Councilman Shearer: No.
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Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer to approve
South Glendora Avenue Plan - Area II, Revision 2 (Supplement 1) and
Zone Change Application Number 463, Precise Plan Application Number
637 - Arturo Pizzo. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
•AYES: Councilmen: Shearer., Nichols, Lloyd-,. : Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
Mayor Young: Did that cover it, Mr. Wakefield?
Mr. Wakefield: That covers it.
PERSONNEL BOARD
None.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mayor Young: It is past the hour of 8:30, and if there is
anyone at this time in the audience who desires
to address this Council on any subject of interest
to the City, please step forward; you don't even have to be sworn for
this part of it. Just state your name and address.
Sheree Wilson
2017 Olin Place
West Covina
and this has to do with
• around the high school.
school and the neighbors
of spirited::f
I am here speaking on behalf of the students
and residents of the City of West Covina, and
I live right around West Covina High School.
They've had a petition up and it's been signed,
the band members and the residents that live
Now, the band practices around the high
don't mind the noise because they are kind
Mayor Young: Sheree, we have something on the Agenda a
little later on, recommending that some
parking be eliminated down on Charlindaaand
I suspect that's going to pass; I don't know.
Councilman Shearer: Haven't we already passed that in the Traffic
Committee meeting?
Mayor Young: Then it has already passed. But go ahead,
Sheree.
Miss Wilson: We just wanted -- I'm a Spartan and I won't
deny it, and it's just that our band is really
good and they need that room not only to
practice, but it eliminates a lot of kids that park their cars out
there. You know, they walk out there, it's a lot of trash and stuff
and the band will really appreciate it. And the people that live
there, it could eliminate the traffic hazard and also eliminate using
their front lawns as trash bins.
• Mayor Young: It's already passed and I suspect you'll see
the signs tomorrow or the next day. I dorit
know just how long it will take to get them
up, but it has passed this group.
Mr. Aiassa: I think Mr. Zimmerman will probably take care
of that.
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Mayor Young: Thanks for coming down, Sheree. Sheree,
I think, has done a whole bunch for our City.
She,".s a member of our Youth Commission as
well,as a loyal Spartan. Thanks Sheree.
ASTROLOGIST
Mr. Gene Hector The Municipal Code 4133 of West Covina refers
832 Cameron Avenue to fortune telling, palmistry, etc., and
West Covina basically what it says, you cannot practice
many of these arts for a fee, in any manner .
whatever. Now specifically, I don't know much
about fortune telling and some of these other things on here, but
specifically the one I am interested in is astrology.
I have been a student of astrology for a number
of years and I'm personally convinced that it is a valid activity and
many of the acquaintances of mine are quite interested in it. Now the
situation here is, it is sort of a hobby with me now, and it gets
rather expensive to buy books, .things for absolutely no fee. And with
this sort of a law, one cannot do it.
What I would like to have the Council enter-
tain, if I may, is the possibility of legalizing astrology in this
City. I have several things here, if I could hand them to you.
(Mayor Young: Hand them to the City Attorney, Mr. Hector.) I only
have three copies of that, I'm sorry, gentlemen. I wish I had had
a little more time. The number of articles in there showing the,
that there's a general acceptance of the subject.
We see an article on the cover of some very
big -name people, very well publicized; they are getting together.
• And those are the friends of the Y.W.C.A. I don't have a copy of it
myself. One thing I have in there is a copy of a recent LA Times,
which shows a daily astrological forecast, and I might add that no
self-respecting astrologer reads this kind of stuff. It's the people
who don't know the first thing about it.
Mayor Young: Mr. Hector, be careful; my wife reads this
to me every morning.
Councilman Lloyd: My wife has been known to do the same thing.
Mr. Hector: What I'm saying is, in a serious vein, most
of your serious astrologers will not. And
if you care to talk about it sometime, I'll
explain to you why. But the point I was bringing out here, mainly,
is that this is in a local newspaper that's sold right here. In
addition to that, you can have an astrological forecast made in the
very close proximity to this building. And furthermore, there is an
awful lot of literature you can purchase throughout the City, and I
personally believe it is a very good thing.
Here is a book, Understanding Your Child
Through Astrology. I think it's just a wonderful little book for
someone. I would hope that perhaps you gentlemen would seriously
consider the thought to drop that prohibition. I think also, one
further remark, if I may. I have in there a note that shows you
that the City of E1 Monte permits. it; the City of Pomona permits
this. Most places when people start considering the subject, they
usually drop this kind of a law.
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I also have a copy of the Code of Ethics of
the American Federation of Astrologers, and if you read that you'll
see it is a very serious thing and they are very careful in attempting
to do this thing properly. Now, if one doesn't believe and he doesn't
•care for it, then he doesn't have to go oto one of these kinds of
people. And if one is practicing it and his batting average is very
poor, I don't think he'll be in business very long. And I believe
with this sort of a thing and the normal laws that one has against
people doing things which he shouldn't do, would give more than
adequate protection to the citizens.
I hope you will give serious consideration
to that,gentlemen.
Mayor Young: I might say, gentlemen, that Mr. Hector took
the trouble to call me today and discussed
this matter with me and I suggested that he
make this presentation to you, to all of us. I think that perhaps
the appropriate thing would be -- this of course is something new
to us, this thought -- I think we do not want our City, I speak for
myself, I don't want our City lined with these big palms of hands
sticking up and all that I see when I drive through Pomona and
other localities. And I don't want our citizenry taken by, I don't
know what you call it, but I'm speaking for myself.
I do feel that what you've brought before us
is appropriate for referral to our Staff and to the City Attorney,
and perhaps further contact with you personally, Mr. Hector. You
could be sure that some of us here, Mr. Wakefield, has your name. u, � 'L, J
and address and telephone number. I would suggest that that is the
appropriate action this evening on the matter, and it is open to you
gentlemen._
Councilman Nichols: I couldn't respond otherwise, but it is
certainly a legitimate request and it should
be looked into and I would move that this
matter be referred to Staff and the City Attorney for an investigation
and a report back with a recommendation to the City Council.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and
carried, to refer this item to Staff.
Mayor Young: Mr. Hector, you'll have further contact on this
from us. Thank you very much.
Is there anyone else who desires to address the
Council at this time. This is your opportunity. We are about to de-
clare a short recess and we'd like to hear from you now if it's your
desire.
THE CHAIR CALLED A RECESS AT 8:54 P.M. COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 9:10 P.M.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, ORAL COMMUNICATIONS CLOSED.
Mayor Young: This brings us to Item E of the Agenda. We
have several ordinances for introduction. I
believe there will be some testimony relating
to Item 3, the increase in speed limits. At that particular time if
there are those who desire to address the Council, you will be given
the opportunity. So let's proceed with the first item.
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ORDINANCE The City Attorney presented:
INTRODUCTION "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA AMENDING THE WEST COVINA
MUNICIPAL CODE SO AS TO REZONE CERTAIN
PREMISES. (Zone Change Application No. 474 -
• Thomas M. Yedor).
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, and
carried to waive further reading of the body of said ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, and
carried to introduce said ordinance.
ORDINANCE NO. 1205 The City Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA AMENDING SECTIONS 3300 and 3302
OE THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO
THE TAKING OFF OR LANDING OF AIRCRAFT."
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded: by Councilman Shearer, and carried
to waive further reading of the body of said ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, to adopt
said ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer;; Nichols, ;.Lloyd,_' Young,
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
ORDINANCE The City Attorney presented:
• (NOT ADOPTED) "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA AMENDING SECTION 3190 OF THE
WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE.RELATING TO AN
INCREASE IN MAXIMUM SPEED LIMITS. IT INCREASES
THE MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT ON ORANGE AVENUE TO
35 MILES PER HOUR."
Councilman Nichols: A point of privilege, if I may, I would like
to clarify something before this matter
proceeds any further.
When the request came before the Traffic
Committee's Meeting, it stated that Mr. John Eastman, West Covina
Unified School District, requests, et cetera, et cetera. I concluded
that Mr. Eastman must have been speaking for the Administration of
the West Covina Unified School District in making the request, and I
spoke before on this matter and I think I indicated that conclusion
in my comments. I have subsequently been contacted by Mr. Eastman
who wanted to assure himself that I would rectify that mistake in
that he states that his appearance or request to the Traffic Committee
was as an individual resident of the City, who lives in that quadrant
of the City. And that h'e'was not in any way speaking for the Unified
School District but only as a citizen.
• Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Nichols. All right. If there's
anyone who would like to speak, anytime an
ordinance or resolution comes up for adoption,
the floor is open to the public and this fact should be realized. We
move along rapidly but never with the desire to preclude anyone who
feels they should have something pertinent to say, and I'm advised
there is some testimony to be given or statements to be made. Anyone
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Speed Limit on Orange Avenue
desiring to speak, please step forward and state your name.
In Opposition
Joe Hernandez I have 37 petitions here opposing this
421 N. Orange Avenue increase in speed limit, sir. These are
West Covina more or less form letters, if you'd like
to see them, and I have some here that I'd
like to read to you and get your.comments on.
This is Mr. Michael Durant, 531 North Orange.
"I especially do not approve of the change in speed limit for two
reasons. I have two school children. I know how fast cars --
I'm trying to read these letters.
Mayor Young: Just don't be nervous now, Mr. Hernandez.
Mr. Hernandez: No, but it's a little bit, shall we say,
hard to read on account of the writing.
"My house was hit about one and a half years ago and that was a $1,700
damage, so you see that I, for one, do not approve of this speed limit
change. If anything, there should be more patrol cars to check the
speeding motorists."
Now we have a Mr. and Mrs. Denning, 521
North Orange Avenue:
"Already people are going 35 miles per hour
.because they feel they can get away with it. By raising the speed
limit to 35 miles per hour they feel free to go 40 or 45. Even with
40 the speed limts at 25 miles per hour, it is very dangerous walking on
the crosswalks trying to get your children safely to school. Please,
let's not risk our children's lives by raising the speed limit.
Thank you. Donna Denning."
This evidently is her husband, Anthony Denning.
"The present speed limit of 25 miles per hour is not being enforced
as evidenced by this move to raise the speed limit. What's the
difference between two speed limits if neither is enforced. Keep
the 25 mile per hour speed limit and enforce it."
This is from Mr. William P. Hammond, 1231
North Orange: "Blackhards' Auto Service uses Orange Avenue as a
raceway, reaching speeds at times of 60 miles an hour which any
resident can attest to. Further, the teenaged drivers use it as a
drag strip. The speed limit should remain at 25 miles with more
police patrol."
(Next letter.) Mrs. Esther Swift, 1807
Swanee Lane:
"Blackhards' trucks now do 60. We don't need
a speed limit change."
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, a point of order on that. I don't
• think we are here to discuss individual
companies, Blackhards' or otherwise. I
understand, but I don't think it should be entered into the record.
That is your petition and I happen to be favorably disposed to your
position, but that you mention somebody's business, if they feel it's
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out of line, let them contact the authorities of that City, or
otherwise. I feel that's wrong.
Mr. Hernandez:
riding our bikes. The
speed limit. We see no
as narrow as it is and
25 mile limit should be
Mayor Young:
This is Mr. Dan A. Scott, 760 North Foxdale
Avenue:
"OUr whole family uses Orange Avenue while
cars already drive too fast with the 25 mile
reason for raising it to 35, with the street
the volume of cars traveling, it, we feel the
enforced. For years, large trucks..."
We got the message, Mr. Hernandez.
Mr. Hernandez: These go with those (passing documents to
Mr. Wakefield). Now, I'd like to point out
a few things here. We've been counting bicycles
that have been riding up and down Orange for the past week. An elderly
man has been doing this and he counted 73 from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 in
the evening. This man takes a nap in the afternoon so he misses out
on quite a few bicycles. On Wednesday from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.
alone, he counted 30; Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00, 73; Friday
from 9:00 a.m, to 6:00 p.m., 63. That's just a rough little figure
of 315 bikes in five days, in just the one block in front of my
house between Swanee and Padre Drive and this does not count the ones
that turn on the bike route.
Actually, the bike route is Orange Avenue to
Puente, bypassing Workman. Now another thing is, Orange Avenue, the
width of that street is 40 feet. Orange Avenue with two cars legally
parked, the streetTnarrows down to 25 feet; two cars plus two bicycle -
riders, it narrows down to 19 feet. And I for one would like to say
one thing and this is final.
I had two automobiles, one demolished and
one $700 damage, both in one day. They were parked on Orange, by
an individual, I can't recall the report, the officers say 25 miles
an hour he was driving because there were no skid marks or anything,
but I couldn't locate the police report in order to get here in time.
Otherwise I would have it exactly. There again, we have some damage.
Mayor Young:
Mr. Hernandez:
Mayor Young:
particularly what's been
people, obviously.
Anything further, Mr. Hernandez?
This is sufficient.
We really appreciate your coming here very
much. Is there anyone else who would care
to speak on this issue without repeating
said because it's been spoken for many, many
Mr. George Austin Mr. Mayor, Members of the Council, I just have
525 North Shelbourne a couple of points to bring out about the
West Covina California Vehicle Code, one is 23352 which
. sets the prima facia speed in a residential
area of 25 miles an hour. Then we go on to 22357 which gives the
local authorities permission or the authority to change this prima
facia to a speed greater than that of 25 miles per hour to facilitate
the orderly movement of vehicular traffic, if it can be done in
reasonable and safe manner. Now, with the bicycle route on Orange,
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I cannot see how it can be done in a reasonable and safe manner, for
the volume of traffic.that Orange handles, because it's not that
great, that I feel it has to be changed to ten miles an hour more.
It's been my experience to find that the average driver is going from
5 to 10 to 15 miles over the posted speed limit.
Mayor Young: This is in the study that we have been given,
too, and is apparently part of the survey.
Mr. Austin: And I for one would like to see, and would like
to say, that as we heard here this evening from
the Auto Club, with an injury rate of 1.5, I
think we would be asking to change that to a greater number next year
if we increase the speed limit on streets such as Orange.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Austin. We appreciate this
very much. Anyone else who desires to speak.
Mr. Paul Gettinger
I'd just like to point
out that there
are
521 N. Shelbourne
two elementary schools
that feed into
this
West Covina
Orange Avenue thoroughfare.
In other
words,
the children are coming
from the direction
of westerly from there
and have to cross Orange
Avenue to get
to
school and there are
two elementary schools and
there's a high
school
also down a little
further. That's about all
I have to say.
Mayor Young: Thank you very much, Mr. Gettinger. This is
good testimony. No one is repeating here
this evening.
Mrs. Marcella Geissinger
1729 Glenmeir Street I maintain that the present speed limit also
West Covina be kept. Now I live close, just two blocks
from Orangewood Elementary and also about two
blocks from Edgewood High, and also to the
north, we have Wells School, and as you see, we have quite a congestion
in our school children after school hours. And I have seen as many
as 50 children stopping in the interchange on Glenmeir and Orange and
block traffic. Now anything of this nature calling for an increase in
speed would be suicide. You don't know how these children carry on
and we had a hit and run just this past summer. And, of course, the
person was brought to the law over this and the child; although he
was in critical condition , carries on.
But it's facts of this nature, I think it
would be in the best interest of our children to not increase the
speed on Orange Avenue. As I understand it we only have one crossing
guard in front of Orange Avenue. I just, as I said, I think it is in
the best interest not to increase it.
Mayor Young: Thank you very much, Mrs. Geissinger. Anyone
else who would like to speak, please come
forward and do so.
Gentelmen, we have a motion and a second. We've had some testimony.
Is there Council discussion?
COUNCIL DISCUSSION
Councilman Shearer:
I recognize from the report of the Engineering
Staff that, based on subject criteria, that
the proper "speed limit" is 35 miles an hour.
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I also recall a request for a 4-way stop in the Galaxy tract some time
ago. Again, based on warrants that were not warranted. We went ahead
and put it in, again on the basis of community desire. And I feel,
in the absence of any overwhelming need for the speed limit to be raised,
• none has been presented. And in the presence of the, what appears to
be overwhelming objection, I will reverse my initial vote and vote to
sustain the recommendations of the people over the Engineering Staff
and vote "no" on the final adoption.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Councilman Shearer. Councilman
Lloyd?
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Aiassa, is that a 40-foot street?
Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Zimmerman?
Mr. Zimmerman: Mr. Mayor, Members of the City Council, yes,
Orange is LA 40 feet, curb -to -curb, on a
60-foot right of way.
Mr. Aiassa: It has ten -foot parkways?
Mr. Zimmerman: It is ten -foot with parkways on each side. It
is 40 feet, cub -to -curb; that's correct, because
it is normal on a two-lane street in the City.
Councilman Lloyd: I'd have to go along with Councilman Shearer,
particularly in view of my stand on Virginia
Avenue. I'm not going to reverse my view on
that so I'll go along, too.
• Councilman Nichols: I think I indicated the position that I felt
that I would oppose it and I certainly have
not changed my mind in the other direction.
Mayor Young: I'm in agreement. I compare it with Vine
Avenue which I use quite a bit, two-lane
traffic at 35 miles street. Talking to
Chief Sill, he says we don't have any problem on Vine, but I'm
afraid of it. I'm afraid to go 35 miles an hour on it and I rarely
do. And if I do, I'm out in the middle of it because I've seen
dart -outs and I've almost experienced it a few times. I think it's
time for a vote. Let's take a roll call on this.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and
carried to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance.
idotion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer
to adopt said ordinance, . _: ;- ..; �. ? doll call vote as follows'
AYES: None.
NOES: Councilmen: Shearer; Nichols, .'Lloyd,. Young.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
•ORDINANCE NO. 1206 The City Attorney presented:
(ADOPTED) "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF WEST COVINA AMENDING SECTIONS 6350 AND
6351 OF, and ADDING SECTIONS 6350.1 AND
6350.2 TO THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE
RELATING TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF COMMERCIAL
ADVERTISING."
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Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Shearer, and
carried to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION
• Councilman Lloyd: When did we bring this up before, Mr.
Wakefield? I don't remember all of the
specifics.
Mr. Wakefield: The Ordinance was introduced at your last
regular Council meeting, based upon a report
which I prepared for the City Council in
response to an inquiry by Councilman Shearer.
Councilman Lloyd: Was this on the door -hanging thing?
Mr. Wakefield: Yes.
Councilman Lloyd: Thank you very much.
Mayor Young: Any further questions? Are you ready for a
vote?
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Nichols, to
adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer,- Nichols, 'Lloyd; , Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell..
AMENDMENT TO AGREEMENT
•WITH WEST COVINA
DISPOSAL COMPANY
Mayor Young: Item 5 relates to the amendment to the
agreement with West Covina Disposal Company.
Does that relate to the rates, Mr. Wakefield?
Mr. Wakefield: Yes, it does, Mr. Mayor. This amendment to
the agreement was approved by the City Council
at your last regular meeting. The City
Attorney was instructed to prepare the agreement and the Mayor to
sign it. It is before you tonight.
I think, due primarily to a misunderstanding
with reference to the provisions of our Municipal Code. The Code
provides that the maximum rates to be charged by the refuse collector
may be set either by resolution or by contract. And, traditionally,
these rates are affixed in the agreement itself and there is no
necessity then for either a change in our ordinance or an adoption
of the resolution to accomplish the maximum rate change.
Mayor Young: The agreement is not physically in front of us.
I take it you have prepared the amendment or
approved the amendment which establishes the
• rate structure which the Council agreed upon at our last meeting; is
that correct?
Motion by Councilman Young seconded by Councilman Shearer to approve
the amended agreement and authorize the Mayor `arid City Clerk to' -execute said
amendment. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
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AYES: Councilman: Shearer, Nichols, : Lloyd,_-. Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
•WEST COVINA SYMPHONY
ORCHESTRA AND SOCIETY,
DIRECTOR CONTRACT
Mayor Young: This is in response to an issue raised by
Councilman Shearer, I believe, at our last
meeting. We have the revised agreement
before us; is there anything further, Mr. Wakefield?
Mr. Wakefield: No, Mr. Mayor, except that there was one minor
change made in the second draft of the agree-
ment at the request of the West Covina
Symphony Orchestra and Society to provide for the purchase of materials
and supplies directly upon the requisition of the Association rather
than for the Association to purchase them directly.
Mayor Young: Is that amendment in the draft before us?
Mr. Wakefield: Yes, that is in the draft.
Mayor Young: This is the proposed final draft. Is there
any question or discussion from the Council?
COUNCIL;: !IDISCUSSION
Councilman Shearer: Yes, Mr. Mayor. I would like to make a couple
of comments. I'm not going to vote against
• this although I think there are some areas I
would like to see changed, maybe next year. It has taken me two years
to get the contract away from the individual and with the organization.
It seems to me that the contract ought to
include as a condition on the part of the Orchestra to provide a
certain number -of concerts. The way the agreement is written, they're
not obligated to give any performances, as I read it. I recall our
contract with the Chamber specifically spells out certain things that
we expect back from the Chamber in the way of the money that we give
to them.
This contract does not require even one
concert to be performed. However, I will vote "yes" this year because
at least it is a step in what I consider to be the right direction.
Next year I would certainly like to see a minimum of so many, whatever
is considered to be .. reasonable, for $3,700 or $2,500, whatever the
figure is. I think we should have a guarantee of a minimum number of
concerts. I think that should be put in.
Mayor Young: Thank you, Mr. Shearer. Anything further,
gentlemen? I'd like to say that I'm concerned
about this philosophically. I'd like to see
us get out of thisf-ield frankly, and see this organization either
• carry itself or phase out. I haven't really kept up to it on a
moment -by -moment basis. All of us here contribute to it individually,
I know. We like the idea of a symphony orchestra. We do have a
matter of priorities in dollars as to where and how we should spend
them and the number of people that they affect.
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I am personally taken with the idea of an
All -City Band because I've seen a hundred or so youngsters participate
in it and I'm advised that this participation can go on on a year-
round basis. They are right out of the community and we've been
requested to subsidize that to the extent of $1,000 in a year's time.
•We don't have the funds to do it with. It's an issue of priorities
in my opinion, and I feel somehow that far more people are construc-
tively affected by the band than they are by this orchestra. Particu-
larly when a performance does come along, as Councilman Shearer
suggests. It is my understanding that several professional musicians,.. -
have to be brought in to fill out this orchestra. So we are putting
in $2,700 or something to that effect here, a substantial sum, about
that, 23, 27, for 15, 20, or 30hpeople at the most in this organization.
It works along and the people./promote it struggle admirably for it.
Meanwhile we have a band a hundred or so
strong that goes together with a snap of the fingers and a lot of
hard work too, providing an outlet that many of these youngsters
don't have; youngsters that go to parochial schools, youngsters
that go to intermediate schools that don't have organized marching
bands. I think this is an important priority item and that's the
way I'd Pike to see our thinking develop and see this agency sustain
itself. And this is what I would look forward to. Does anyone want
to respond? .
Councilman Nichols: I would like to comment. I think the total
amount, Mr. Aiassa, is around $3,500 isn't it?
Mr. Aiassa: That's awful close.
Councilman Nichols: It's a thousand dollars for materials and
supplies and $217 for the conductor comes to
• somewhere in the neighborhood of $3,600.
Mr. Aiassa: We also bought music stands.
Councilman Nichols: The Mayor's comments are not at all
inconsonant with the original basis for the
Council's community participation in the
activity. The original presentation before the Council by the former
director indicated that within a year or two the expectancy was that
the symphony would be self-sufficient. At that time the term was'used
`seed -corn, that the Council would endeavor to assist and help the
organization along. And. -_,;.then a problem developed in recent times
whereby the leadership of the organization changed and the new
director took over and this was, and I suppose reasonably so, given
as the reason that greater independence inc"terms of funding and
development has not occurred. But at no time at the outset was it
envisaged that the Council would continue indefinitely to subsidize
the activity, let alone increase it over the years. And it has
increased since the initial appropriation.
Like the Mayor, I too would like to see
independence achieved when the Council makes its efforts to nurse
these well worth -while activities into being in the community. I
would certainly hope that we would find some way to help the All -City
• Band,and I would like the record to reflect that this absolutely will
be the last year that I will support a full and growing appropriation
for the symphony orchestra without very clear indications that
significant progress has been made toward independence and self -funding.
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Councilman Lloyd: Well, I think that we are all in agreement and
my reaction to the whole thing is maybe we have
arrived at that point where we just take off
about $500 and send it to someone else. We don't have an awful lot of
money this year; it's an austerity year. And we have other activities
•which are beginning to demand. And while I am saddened by the fact
that a symphony orchestra or this type of culture is not doing as well
as I would like to see it do, nevertheless because I desire to see
this type of activity to prosper and grow, if it doesn't have a viable
quality to it then the answer is we sort of step aside and if it isn't
now, it will be at a later time. Maybe we ought to take some of this
money and renegotiate a contract.
I don't feel any compelling reason to go
forward with this. I don't see, frankly, if I were to interpret the
attitude of the Council, this Council really doesn't want to go into
it. I think that we can go forward and assert ourselves and give the
money over to somebody else that can make it work for the City of West
Covina. I don't see because it's recommended, Mr. Stevens is just kind
of going along with what's been done. The remarks that Councilman
Nichols made were certainly appropriate. We all stood here and said
with solemn faces that we are willing to help; we want it to go. But
maybe we have arrived at the point where we have gone as far as we can
go.
I think these monies represent in the face of
a $7.5 million budget, $3,500 doesn't sound like very much. But in
the face of a bunch of youngsters who want to have uniforms and music
and all the rest of it, it's a considerable outlay. And I think at
this point, gentlemen, what we ought to do)andI'd like to hear some
comment on this, is to re-evaluate and go another direction. And I
think the time is now.
• Mayor Young: Well, I'll respond, if I may, just briefly. I
am certainly not unsupportive of your ideas in
principle, Councilman Lloyd. I do feel this,
that we have gone through this thing in the budget hearings and we
have budgeted accordingly and adopted a budget. It is true that
specific items then are to be adopted one by one as we move along
through the year.
I think that we do have community people
working in good faith in reliance upon action we have taken in some
weeks past. And I think a justifiable reliance in terms of, let's
say, predictability. I believe there is some requirement of predicta-
bility on the part of a legislative body. I think that we're committed
frankly, morally at least, to this program for the current fiscal year.
I think I rather prefer Councilman Nichols' thoughts. I'm willing to
join him and put the organization on notice, without in any manner
intending to be critical or anything like that, because it's to the
contrary.
I admire the efforts that are being made by
these people to sustain and promote this activity. But, there comes
a time when we have to face the facts and the fact is that if an
organization does not sustain itself or makes long strides toward
sustaining itself, then this Council is forced into the position of
• priorities. This is what I'm talking about initially. I feel that
it would be more disruptive then the priorities dictate to just jerk
the rug out right at this particular moment, this far into the year
and into the season of activity. But I think it is the time to serve
notice that we are re-evaluating these priorities. But I intend to
vote in favor of this contract, but my vote is going to be very much
in accord with rather strong notice addressed by Councilman Nichols.
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Page Thirty-four
9/25/72
Councilman Nichols: I'm inclined to think that you are correct.
More than that, I believe that I've made
what would constitute a commitment to support
the::appropriation for this current year. I think this will be the
third full year of the organization's activity and I think it is
• reasonable that the Council give a year's notice that it's not
going to be prepared to continue its--- support at this level for the
future, and that the organization should in fact either demonstrate
a significant degree of capability to replace these funds, perhaps
not in totality, but certainly significantly.
And so, because of the comments I've made in
the past and because I've taken a supportive position, and it's been
a sincere one, I feel obligated to confirm that by supporting the
budget this year, but with the notice that I will turn to other
priorities where great needs exist next year around.
Mayor
Young:
Do you care to respond,
Councilman Shearer?
Councilman
Shearer:
Other than what I said
initially,
all I can
say is "yes," I pretty
well go on
record, too,
but I didn't want to be
the first
to say it.
This is
it)gentlemen.
next year it goes down,
it doesn't
even stay
level,
it goes down.
How much? Whether it goes
all .the way down the
drain
or not, that remains to be seen.
I think the point is well taken and it is one
I've thought for quite some time. When you have an organization that
involves ten or fifteen at most of our own citizens, and whether it
is worth the $3,604 we have allocated in our budget, you figure that
on a per capita basis it comes up pretty high in the area of recreation.
I doubt that we spend that much for basketball.
• Councilman Lloyd: It is truly regrettable.
Councilman Shearer: If we could spend that much for basketball,
we might have a pavillion.
Councilman Lloyd: You know, Mr. Shearer, I'm glad you brought
that up.
Mayor Young: Gentlemen, are we ready for the question?
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Mayor -Young, to approve
aforementioned agreement -and- authorize. the;_Mayor_-afid'> City -Clerk-to-execute Ahe=
agreement with the West Covina Symphony Orchestra and Society.
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer,, Nichols, -_Lloyd--': Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS RECESSED AT 9:50 P.M., IN ORDER TO
CONVENE FOR A REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING. . AFTER 'THE ..ADJOURNMENT OF THE
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECONVENED AT
10:25 P.M.
• CITY MANAGER
FREEWAY PROGRESS REPORT
Mayor Young: The City Manager has the Freeway Progress
Report; is that before us,gentlemen?
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CITY MANAGER - Freeway Progress Report 9/25/72
Mr. Aiassa: Yes, there is a Freeway Progress Report; Mr.
John Lippett brought it for us tonight.
Councilman Shearer:
Councilman Nichols:
• Mayor Young:
Move to receive and file.
Seconded.
Do we have a question?
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Aiassa, is this the time for a discussion
on some of the problems we are now experiencing
on this freeway?
Mr. Aiassa: I think it would be a very opportune time.
Councilman Lloyd: Gentlemen, I was approached by Mr. Ted Block,
not because of any great prowess that I may
have individually, but merely as an investigatory
approach to the Council. He invited me over to his shop to take a look
at the problems that he is facing. And I am appalled at the, I think
the term is "cavalier action' that this Kasler-Ball outfit, and I say
that with a certain tone in my voice which indicates disapproval, has
treated a very viable businessman in the City of West Covina.
We have plenty of problems, not the least of
which is we've got to encourage and keep our business community going,
and with what is going on with this Kasler-Ball outfit, first of all,
it looks like a junk pile. You will all, those of you who were on
the tour we had --
Mayor Young:
The Public Works tour.
Councilman Lloyd: There is debris, there are cartons, and just
• an appalling amount of dust, and I understand
from Mr. Block that he did approach the people
saying that it was hurting his business, not only from the point of
view)completely, almost totally blocking his accessibility to the
freeway by sight, but also by a pall of dust which seems to be delivered
every day at roughly around 4:00 'and in the morning when they pull their
equipment out.
Not only does this stop him from doing the
business that he had done in the past, which he has had a definite
decline in sales which, of course, is not our concern; I recognize
that. Except that we want our businessmen to prosper in our town
so wherein they can. But in addition to that, he has additional
expenses because he's had to put on a man and wash cars,,. -,-a great deal
more often than he had done before.
All of which, of course, places him in a less
favorable position. He approached the people, they apparently) one
manager was very agreeable and said, "Yeah, we'll work it out for you:;."
and promptly disappeared. And another guy came in and they doubled
the load. They brought in additional equipment and their attitude is
"We don't have to worry about you, we work with the State."
And, I don't know, Mr. Wakefield, but is there
• any possibility -- I'm really kind of up -tight about this. Is there
any way of seeking an injunction or making these people protect the
:uterus? I'm prepared to go to the wall on it. I think that they have
a responsibility, certainly to their contractor who is the State, but
darn it, it is still in this City. And I think something ought to be
done about it, and I'm prepared to look at it. What can we do?
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CITY MANAGER - Freeway Progress Report 9/25/72
Mr. Wakefield: Mr. Mayor and Members of the City Council,
the property in question as I understand it,
is property which is owned by the State and
which has been made available by the State to the contractor as a
service and construction yard.
• Councilman Lloyd: But not to the detriment of the people of
West Covina, because we don't allow other
businesses to do that; is that correct?
Mr. Wakefield: The legal point arises from the fact that
the State is not subject to the City's
zoning or police power regulations. There
is no case in California which really gets down to the issue as to
whether or not an activity which the State itself could carry on can
also be carried on on State property by a contractor.
The rule in the other states in which the
question has arisen is that the contractor is entitled to the same
immunities as the State. In other words, if the State can carry on
the activity, it can permit its contractor to carry on the same
activity. Now, as I say, there is no cited case in California of
which I am aware, which treats this issue. I think it would be much
more satisfactory from the standpoint of resolving this question, if
the representatives of the City Staff and the State and the contractor
were to get together and see if there is not some area of agreement
which would at least alleviate the problem.
Councilman Lloyd:
Well, I like that at least as an immediate
action and I so move that the City Staff,
the business in question, and the State get
together to see if there is some way of alleviating this problem.
•
Mayor Young:
I'll second your motion.
Councilman Lloyd:
The City Staff, in this case I presume
Mr. Wakefield, that the representatives of
Kasler-Ball, and that the State Division of
Highways get together to take a look at the problem.
Councilman Nichols:
Have there been no efforts on the part of
Staff to contact appropriate responsible
State officials on this matter?
Mr. Aiassa:
Yes.
Councilman Nichols:
Well, then isn't this motion redundant?
Mr. Aiassa:
No, I think ::,"prefer -the ' motion, rom the
Council because we've been doing/s rictly on
an administrative basis.
Motion by Councilman
Lloyd, seconded by Mayor Young, and carried, to
have representatives
of the City, Kasler-Ball, and the State Division
of Highways meet and
discuss these problems.
CITY CLERK
None.
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MAYOR'S REPORTS 9/25/72
APPOINTMENT OF A UNITED
NATIONS CHAIRMAN FOR THE
CITY OF WEST COVINA
Mayor Young: The first item is a request for an appointment
• of a United Nations Chairman for the City of
West Covina. I have been contacted by the
honorary chairman for the San Gabriel Valley. With your permission,
gentlemen, I would like to place in nomination the name of Mr. Robert
Harper. Mr. Harper is a counsellor at Cameron Intermediate School.
He and his wife and family are all quite active in United Nations
activities. I think he would be very appropriate representative for
this function; with your permission.
Councilman Nichols: Mr. Mayor, you utilized the term, "place in
nomination." It is my understanding that
this is an honorary type of function that
doesn't really bear on the City's legislative functions. I deem it
within your prerogative as Mayor, unless overruled by your Council,
to make such an appointment, and certainly I would defer to your
right to make that appointment.
Mayor Young:
COUNCIL COMMISSION
LIAISON APPOINTMENTS
For September, October,
November and December,
1972.
• Mayor Young:
Mr. Aiassa:
Councilman Lloyd:
nonetheless, this is a
be done which might be
Council as to what they
Thank you. Any further comment? That will
be the appointment.
The next item is Council Liaison Appointments.
Mr. Aiassa, you were going to give me some
suggestions on that?
I haven't finished that.
I think that something that has come up on the
Commission Liaison, not that I'm not impressed
with the wisdom and all of the City Manager,
Council function and something maybe which could
a bit more productive is to perhaps poll the
really want to do.
And I find no fault if two Councilmen wish to
attend,, for instance, a Planning Commission. I don't think that we
have debilitated or lost sight of the legislative processes. And I
think that it might even encourage for those of us who serve and put
in a goodly number of hours, to be in attendance. I may be completely
out of line, I'm just suggesting that to you as a possibility instead
of this arbitrary decision -making process, and we try to make it work
out and then we end up we can't do a lot of it anyhow.
Mayor Young: I think it's a very worthy suggestion,
Councilman Lloyd, and I would suggest that
• since we are not ready to move on it this
evening that perhaps, Mr. Aiassa, you could have Ray Silver or someone
call each one of us, and get two or three alternatives perhaps, and
we could put it together from that. That would be more effective than
what we have done up to now.
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MAYOR'S REPORTS - Youth Advisory Commission 9/25/72
Councilman Lloyd: I hope I'm not violating any ordinances on
that, am I?
Mr. Aiassa:
Mayor Young:
Mr. Wakefield:
Mayor Young:
YOUTH ADVISORY
COMMISSION
No.
Do you concur,Mr. Wakefield, that Mr. Lloyd
didn't violate any ordinances?
Not as far as I know.
Then if you'll proceed along that line, we
can take this up at the next meeting.
Mayor Young: About a week ago, I sent personal letters to
each of the school principals involved among
the high schools that we would look to as
feeder high schools for the Youth Advisory Commission. I have had no
response whatsoever at this moment to those letters. Now, a year ago,
when this thing started, we had, of course, a lot of response. We had
a very active committee with Mr. Seth Reiner spearheading that
committee's efforts.
As I recall, Seth is, as you know, on the staff
of the Probation Department and, I believe, is now headquartered in this
building in property leased by them from the City. And it has been
suggested, I think I concur with that suggestion, that we ask Mr. Reiner
very quickly to reactivate his committee and assist the Council in
getting new appointments to the Youth Advisory Commission.
•
tomorrow.
Councilman Nichols:
Mayor Young:
If you concur we will proceed on that forthwith
Excellent idea. Excellent, good.
I'm sorry we didn't do that up to now.
Councilman Lloyd: I'm really kind of, I think the word is "stunned"
that a letter from the Mayor of West Covina to
these districts which reside in the City, got
no greater response than "nothing" on this thing. As a matter of fact,
because I was involved in getting the letter in the first place and
urging you to do this, and in view of the fact that I did indeed call
some of the school officials, I don't really understand how --
Mayor Young: Well, let's face it. They've got their start-up
problems and they've each got several thousand
fresh headaches as the students come back.
Councilman Lloyd: I think the opportunity to serve in Legislative
affairs in the City, which is certainly a._ .
basic element of government, requires, not
requires, demands is a better word, more attention than that which has
.been given to it. And I'm really kind of disappointed, frankly. So I'll
keep my mouth shut.
Mayor Young: So be it. We'll proceed in that direction,
with your permission. Mr. Aiassa, I think that
would be like 8:00 in the morning.
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MAYOR'S REPORTS - Revenue Sharing 9/25/72
PROCLAMATION
Mayor Young: There are two other items I have; one is,
with your permission, I would like to proclaim
the 30th day of September, 1972, as San Dimas
• Mountain Rescue Day. This is in honor of the gentlemen who go out and
haul our kids off of cliffs, and up canyons when they have their week-
end accidents; they rescue and treat snake bite and all kinds of
wonderful things that they do.
Hearing no objection, I so proclaim. I do
have a formal proclamation here and I've been instructed to give it
to the Tribune, Jeff. (Mayor presents proclamation to reporter.)
REVENUE SHARING
Mayor Young: The other item I'd like to call to your
attention which may bear some discussion,
Councilman Lloyd and I went on a little field
trip last week and had a good chance to talk. You'll recall that I
had previously constituted the two of us as a sub -committee of the
Council regarding broader citizen participation in some of the decision
making processes.
Any point that I misrepresent in your thinking,
Councilman Lloyd, dive right in.
A lot of our discussion centered about the
fact that it does appear we are on the verge of receiving some
300 to $500,000 in Federal funds as a result of the Revenue Sharing
Bill. I might say parenthetically the little field trip we went on
• was to view an all-purpose center over at the city of Culver City,
an auditorium, basketball court, handball courts, senior citizen
facilities, weight lifting facilities, swimming pool, tennis courts all in one center, convention center and what have you, if that
gives you any thoughts.
But what weighs heavily on my mind, and I'm
sure it does yours, we are faced with the prospect of receiving this
money, like "pie in the sky," so to speak. Frankly, philosophically,
it bothers me a great deal, certainly to the point that I would like
to see, and I think Councilman Lloyd agrees; a'broader.input than
just the wisdom of this body and our able Staff ,consultants in this
regard.
To this extent, initially, I would suggest
that we get in operation very quickly on a timetable of perhaps a
month or two, for a final report back, and we can use a lot of input
on this, a committee representative of our entire City from Galaxy
to San Bernardino Road and from the east to the west, to consider
this specific problem and other specific problems we might bring
before the committee.
We tossed this around, Mr. Lloyd and I,
somewhat. I think we came to the conclusion that each Councilman
• could nominate two, possibly three, I kind of lean to three, to
get the broader geographic representation. And to assure it,
nominate three individuals each to serve in this capacity. Our
own Council will serve as liaison and seek Staff participation where
resource material is needed and might be immediately available to
the Staff and seek that through the Council liaison group.
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MAYOR'S REPORT - Revenue Sharing 9/25/72
This is something that should be moved on
immediately or rejected immediately. The problem is upon us and I
think that it needs to be handled with the utmost responsibility,
just as every problem must be.
Councilman Nichols: What problem are you talking about? I'm
• a little lost.
Mayor Young: I'm talking about the wise, appropriate
expenditure of subs tantial.'f:ederal funds which will
be coming our way over the next five years.
I can foresee $10 worth of demands for every penny that comes in.
Councilman Nichols: Won't there be certain stipulated limits on
the use of those funds, and do we have that
information?
Mayor Young: We don't have that information.
Councilman Lloyd: One -thing, and I think that's a very valid
question. But what we are talking about,
which reflects involvement of the total
community in recreational and social programs would, to all intents
and purposes, as nearly as we can tell from what has already been
presented,fill the requirements that could be projected.
Mayor Young: It would be a major fulfillment, certainly,
if there are requirements placed on it.
Councilman Nichols: The only question I raised is, it seems that
we should certainly know specifically what
those requirements might be before we urge
people on to make specific recommendations and then find they are
prescribed right out of the picture.
Mayor Young: Well, I think those answers will be forthcoming
very quickly. I think any requirements that
are made, I think the background that I've
gotten which has been largely from what I have read in the newspaper
and what I have heard Congressman Wiggins state at a couple of meetings --
I think you were at those meetings,too -- apart from those, I think
there's going to be some latitude and a good deal of it.in the use of
these funds.
And I don't know, it could be the ultimate
wisdom to just chunk it into the General Fund and reduce the tax rate
accordingly. But, you know, I'm not prepared to say and I doubt if
anyone is.
Councilman Nichols: Well, I think your suggestion is viable and we
should keep it that way and implement it. .
Mayor Young: I think we could implement it further by not
limiting it to just that area. I think we
could use some input of a specific nature, a
re -assessment of community goals. It's been some four or five years
now, or six even, since the Blue Ribbon Committees functioned and I
• think those reports can be reexamined and up -dated and a list of
priorities brought before us. That might answer some of our questions
that we were discussing earlier in connection with the symphony
orchestra.
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MAYOR'S REPORTS - Revenue Sharing 9/25/72
Councilman Nichols: I think though, if I may respond, you do run
the danger of asking too much of a body of
people. You run the danger of asking them
to go into depth in too many areas. They will be unable to do so
and they may tend to treat superficially areas that really should
be treated in greater depth. Better to prescribe the areas and
insist upon in-depth study in those areas.
Mayor Young: I think your point is well taken, and it
gives rise to a thought of a committee on
committees for that matter.
Well, listen, that's the proposal; what's
the consensus? Do you have any comments, Councilman Shearer?
Councilman Shearer: Well, you can't be against motherhood. I'm
very skeptical. If the product is a good one
then it was a good choice. But I go back to
the Blue Ribbon Committee reports I was handed about three years ago
after a certain April in 1970. This was the material that was
developed and in it were recommendations that were so far beyond the
capabilities of this City or any city, for that matter, having to do
with all the medians in the City should be landscaped; we ought to
have four swimming pools, we ought to have an auditorium, you ought
to have this and this and this. On the basis of that, the City would
have been bankrupt in six months if we had embarked on such a program.
I'm afraid that that's the kind of things we
might come up with in the way of recommendations. Everybody is going
to put in their special thing,.they would like to see and all of these
would be nice to have. But I seriously question whether or not the
product that we get will be that helpful; but, as I said, who can be
against it?
Councilman Lloyd: One of the things that we have to be particularly
careful of, while we are talking about this,
is not to project another body onto the adminis-
trative people of the City, thereby stealing the time that's already
committed to things such as the redevelopment and all of that, which
frankly, in the area of priorities takes greater priority. But we
thought about this and we discussed this very problem.
Obviously, I think that Bob has presented a
broader picture than what we really were talking about. We were
talking about a recreational center which would serve the total of
the City. You and I have talked about this. I know that -it has been
in discussion before, and that's really the area that we are talking
about. The impelling force is, of course, this money which is going
to be forthcoming. And if we do nothing, then, of course, it just
sort of wanders around and we do have an obligation to the citizens
in view of the fact that we raised our taxes 20percent, 20C on the $100,
to be very cautious in what we do. And in trying to do this, Bob came
up with idea of involving more of the citizenry, and I think it's an
excellent idea.
Mayor Young: All right. Anything further? With these
• thoughts in mind I wonder if we could be
prepared to nominate at our next regular
meeting. What do you think?
Councilman Nichols: Nominate for what? The committee to organize
committees? To consider what?
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Mayor Young: I would say the committee to consider the use
and expenditure of Federal grants, specifically
the revenue -sharing grant.
Councilman Nichols: I will be ready.
• Mayor Young: what's your thinking in terms of numbers on that
committee? Five Councilmen times three, that's
15; is that too many?
Councilman Nichols: No, I don't think so.
Councilman Lloyd: I think that's very good.
Councilman Shearer: That sounds fine; it's an awful big committee,
though. Right now I'm on a committee of four
and sometimes that's about three too many.
You are talking about area -wide representation. If we each come in
two weeks from tonight at our next regular meeting with three names,
how do we guarantee any one of us is going to have somebody from
Galaxy, north of the freeway?
Mayor Young: I think we sit down and have a personnel session
and see what we come up with.
Councilman Shearer: In other words, I think we'd better all be
prepared to come in with more than three.
Because if we only come in with three, then
that's it and we may not get the area -wide coverage that you're talking
about.
Mayor Young: I would think it's incumbent upon each of us
• to have alternate names in mind and I think
we could possibly have a personnel session and
finalize our thinking on it. This would certainly be my idea.
Councilman Shearer, do you have any report
or further comments?
COUNCILMEN'S REPORTS/COMMENTS
Councilman Shearer: I've got a comment for Mr. Duvall, but he left
and I was wondering if Mr. Aiassa could pass
on to him that the reason for my absence at
the next Personnel Board Meeting is I won't be in town.
Mayor Young:
Councilman Nichols:
Councilman Lloyd:
APPROVAL OF DEMANDS
Anything further, Councilman Shearer?
Councilman Nichols?
No, sir.
No, sir.
• Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Shearer, to
approve Demands of $587.,219.79; B5-42 through B5-44 and B5-44A,
C 839A and C 840. Motion was carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Slieardi..,, Nichols, Lloyd, Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
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Page Forty-three
9/25/72
Mayor Young: Is there anything further before we have
an executive session? This will relate
solely to the salary of the minutes clerk,
•I believe is the only item that is before us. The only further action
then would be to announce whatever happens to act on it and adjourn.
COUNCIL RECESSED AT lOi58 P.M., FOR AN EXECUTIVE PERSONNEL SESSION.
COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 11:08 P.M.
MINUTES CLERK CONTRACT
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, to renew
the contract with the minutes clerk at the rate of $815 per month,
effective October 1, 1972. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen: Shearer,', Nichols, Llo.yd,r,, Young.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: Councilman Chappell.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Councilman Shearer, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and
carried, to adjournthis meeting at 11:10 p.m.
The next regularly scheduled meeting is October 10, 1972.
• APPROVED:
MAYOR
•
ATTEST:
M0CITY CLE�K
cr
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