01-05-1970 - Special Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE....SPECIAL XEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
IN JOINT SESSION WITH THE•.P_LANN.ING COMMISSION
JANUARY 5, 1970
The Special Joint Meeting of the City Council and the Planning
Commission was called •to order by Mayor Leonard S. Gleckman in
the West Covina City to
at 7:30 p.m. The Pledge of Allegiance was
led by Councilman Russ Nichols.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor gleckma.n; Councilmen -Nichols, Chappell,
Lloyd (Councilman Gillum, absent)
Also Present: George Aiassa, City Manager
George Wakefield, ,City Attorney
Lela Preston;, City Clerk
George Zimmerman, City Engineer
Richard Munsell; Planning Director
Kenneth Winter, Planning Associate
Mayor Gleckman suggested that Council and the Planning Commission
adjourn to the City Manager's. conference room so that the Council
and Planning Commission might sit in closer proximity for the Joint
Meeting to discuss the. South Glendora. Avenue P1 , 'Area I I .
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and
carried, that this meeting :at 7:32 p.m. adjourn to the conference
room in the City Manager's office.
COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 7:45 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Gleckman; Councilmen Gillum, Nichols,
Chappell, Lloyd
Planning.Commission
Present: Chairman Adams; Commissioners Browne, Jackson,
Mayfield, Cox
SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE PLAN LOCATION: Cameron Avenue
AREA II south to the City limits on
both sides of Glendora Avenue.
Richard Munsell, Planning Director, briefly summarized the proposed
South Glendora Avenue Plan, Area. II and referred to the displayed
maps.
Mayor Gleckman: For the benefit of Council and ,Commission, when
the proposed South Glendora Avenue Plan, Area II
came up to Council they discussed the land use
proposals as laid out in it and it was felt by Council that before
adopting we would.. have ..a. ,j.oint . s.e.ss ion. with. th.e.,-P.lann.ing Commission
�.^ to clear up some of the -questions Council had and to get some of the
reasoning behind the Planning Commission's suggestions.
My question is, why.Robindal.e does not continue
through to St. Malo and St. Malo through to Barbara Avenue or at least
go up to the homes that front on Barbara and cul de sac there? Also
why Robindale didn'.t go through for better circulation and also Duff,
if necessary?
Mr. Munsell submitted an aerial photo of the area, and explained
the subject property, stating the.property facing on Glendora Avenue
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South...Gl.endoxa,..A..ven:u6...;P1:an..fl. Area II F• Con.t.' d o
run-s.-..a.11_,.. th.e. ,way_., fram.. G.l:endo,ra., ..A,uenue to the ,c.o.mmerci.al ly zoned.
Indicated. _..from..-.,thp-aeri.ad....photo .the .area ..which is . .
curr_e.nt.ly,.deve.,loped_.'far...:sa ngae -_.family.. dwel lings,,:.,explaining... .the..
homes, -_are.. built on.., the. f.ron.t .of. the .lots with- large.. back yards.
going-.,al.l_.-the... way._ba.ck..to. the. shoppi.ng..:center..- They are
May.or....GXeck-mano- :If_..yo:u:..are .....telling. me..that. .the ..jog in thQ
street., i.sthere. because ..the,.. ex:i.sti..ng__s.ing.l,.e__.......-
family residences have...b.ui.It....their..:_yards_...up...t.o
.a_ certain point and-. that.:i.s.. wh.y... they. jog... th4t._ .way ..I:..dan.9. t... think ..
that,. is.._.a....sat.is,fact.o.ry.. ,ans,wex-. .
The nest ,. g :ion that came .:up- -.i s . why- we-..don..°..t .. have...
14r... 1�Lu.ns.e l 1.. o ... ...: -� 1
._ a.._t.hrb.ugh c.ircula.t.io.n.,.plan .....a;n_',t.exms....o.£._.�4h.at..i.s..
.existingg a,.nd.- the. jog —in.. the_ street _.i.s l} As.ed.._on...
the... deve.lopment..o.f:..the single ;.fani.l.y residential-, uses ..and. by.: taking...
the rest .of ..-the -...parcels-',.and, . cutting. in,. such,.,..... way, ,.that, we. .would ....have
adequate --- l.and-.._o.n.:edther.,side- af.... he...s.tre..et:,.,,to.,..:det7elo.p:...i.n.to....a....r..e.asanm.
able res..identi.a.l,..s.tr.uctu.r,e-,.:..N6w...,,.;%n,,te.r.m.s,..,o.f:...put.t.ing....:thi.s.. ki.nd...o.f.
mpr-oue.ment...back..wi:nto :,th.:as. area,:.,:ta..
..we...are ..gai.ng-_:.to_..haxe--to..ha-ve; tie .-:b.i.t..more....higher....
f:inanciaa.._..re.tur.n..ahar�..:sa nc 1.e. faan%.� -to......justi.fy....the.._........
co.s.t.. w.e...ar.e._.s:ugge,sti.ng.._a.t..,.sl:�ast,...med�utin m�a]:i�•ixp;Le...;faani.l�Z;...densa.ty- To
...-
adjacent ..... ta._...the__shapp.ing_..center..anr ....has ing...,a....,s.er._vIce. a 1.lEy _or.....you_u._
wind ._up_._.c.uttd_ng.-..i.t.,._,very ...r,.1,.ase,... ......and. they
the..y....h.a-ve_...ba.th.._a
not-..con.sidered-__a-.-.goo.d......s,i.tua,ta on-- xes::i.L_en.ces.....wo.u,ld--
...b.ack__up....to.__c.ommerc..i-a1,.._arad::.fr_ant,
co-u-ld._on1 tla,e -cos.t, ..o f . ,d.eve.1.op ng...-t h.e...;l.a nd.,., if... we; ..we.nt..._to.-. a.
med.i.um...fama.,ly_.:_dens.i.ty_ , ;;Thp reason we: have :not... taken .Ro.bindale....and......
coxixaected.....to. ..,St, Ma-lo..:%s....tha;t....,we,.:w: nd up ua:i.p .ng._..aut;- -two ._10ts.. without
Commis.s.ioner...a►ay.fie.l.d.a.. AAre.4you sayzng t :.w,ha:t.._y.ou...a.r.e ..trying, to
do. here. -.is .to„ 6�_w,ithout....t4e- consolidation
,Mr, ,Munsela . That '° s right.....:...(.Exp:Lai.ned..-.wi.th.....t.he._use ..of.. ._ ._.
_. .the, aer.:i.al_.pho o.:.,j,..... h...kaad..,.... v,is,i.t,_toda.y. with .
-t:he owner .af...this_1axge..parc.el... and.;,.bi-..s.ta.ted-
-he w.as-..u,nabl.e... to .atte.nd..:.the meeting.. to.na.c�latix�dsea�ed..they.....wou.ld.-.
._atr.eet....through_. .. And.. sacond.,ly .z ..ar„e. �olacexned._a ac�u ..:keepi g..the.:..
-commercial. ,tra.ff:i.c....ou.t..-o.f.'the:_ r-,e.s!d,ent.<iad-..area..... if. we,, ,cut .Robi.ndale_ -.
,.through we create problems in terms. of th;e,.:l.oadixi
g p g:.:�'n ;the commercial
_.residen.:t,al a.. .-/
Mayor. . Gl.eckman..-.. Where do you, :sh+caw::-the._.. al.l.eyway....that....pres-en_t.l°y
exi:st.s, .,Is., it-pub,11c..ded.i.ca.ae.d... property, no,%z2-
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Mr4_ Aunsell o T.hat; ..zs. ,_pri vote ciraulrati,o.n wa thin_..the . ,'.
...:..prop xty ownars! ow.n...pax.ce]>s .,...Pr.,i.vata..acc.6.s.s__
(.Explained in -detail., stating this would ...�he.:.a...pr.- vate,_..stre.et that. the..
..City would not have to maintain .but ..the .de%Te,lopment. of;th'e area wduld
b.e....cantr.olled..::..hy .the.,,C.ity.,. ther.eby....a.ssiar�sng..proper....buf-fer..- ng.o...land—,
s.cap.i ng:,,, ... etc...)
Councilman Lloyd -.,Mr. Mayor, so that everyone. is.... aware.. While.
I appie.ci-a.te .. wha_t._ NLr G;lecltman._..i s .:.say:i,n I.
don°..t ag-ree I_.:ti�ir�lc,...this_..-prouide,s._fa :.
�x._eat.er,..protect,-,ma._.Wi.th-_what._ya.u.._a.x_trYin:-.to.._achieve.. _ in. addd_ta.ar_to-_
he.f c out . -of.there-.
.I... -thank-, there that tends-- to' .
mddnder in the area of residences whether they be multiple or single,.:
and I think what is proposed would be a,, better arrangement than to
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Elan - Area -.II �- -Co.n-tl.d...
have streets
tr6ets going through- from. the_point of vlewl_of protection to..
children,, the quietude and-.-seren.ity o.f the area,._I think-
.this.. -would. -provide` more -o-f it. -In the final analysis -I think it k-eeps more land
on the tax rolls -and- all.ows: less'complaInt-s --ox-less ar-tivity on the
part, of the- landowne,rs. because..1ess,_ of. the being used.
'Cb-U nc i lman-., Gi 11 um I have a - question. --On the property that'
faces . -C -iforni.a. that you show in- the
al
possible ..transition to - multiple family, if
`3-t-Rdlo were extended,,db you think these people might come in and
want to develop,_ single, f,. i.ly-?..A!r.e the .logs_ big enough?
MYY would: -be of sufficient. size but the
cost. of the. development of the street is
such that it would. be unlikely they would
' wind up. wi,th .:--th.e.. type o-f expensive ho.me'.s.required to pay off that.
street,. in. -that... par-ticul.ar lo-c-, ation,backed up to a commercial develop-
ment. and"urer. ,-bffeed on the..othside by some 20 year old residences.
qh t-op:af"that these people own. all- the way to the shopping center,
so they have an...oppor.t-un-ity-to control what is developed behind them
,,.at this Point.
NAyor -G*lOcXman:. Ts
presently a dedicated 'street?
"MUnsell. 17-1. currently, with a 1 1 situation that the
C-it'* c ontrbis between the shopping center
and the iP-epArtment of Employment building.
The 17°, is currently blocked off .in terms o:f,pub.lic access,and the
Department, of:.-Mmp"Loyment, is' a1l,owed.to.,,-.use it. for parking. and -using
-. the alleyway,..,,o,f Ah e,.,-sho: , '-pp-ing.--cente-r, ..as-, a turning..xadius, which is
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probably ...not,.a.:.de,si,r.zibl.e.:...si-tua.t.i,..an, ...R4.t.. Lx-om.. the... standpoint that, the
., City .,has --been .,uh-ah1e.,_.to.:,pa-r!k-Aga, a,., si.,tu,&t1on: with_ the shopping center
owner to put..
,.the street.,, through,,., e.tc,. *i_ because of ..the. grade dif f er.-
ential problem, it would cost quite a bit of money, so at this point
in time we. -.have: -no., hopes -..in completi.ngtba, street with some overall
plan.
Councilman,-.,Gil1u`m.-:.11. .,R6b,1.nda1,e would,
'Mr.. Zimmerman,,: 60.�... of .rightt�o.f,-,wa.y,...-is.-.-planned and the
Ikepa-rtmant..of. Em.ployment--.building...-was-.se:t-.....
so--,the,re..,, ouldbe..............
CbuncilmanNichols. T wou I d., like to have the opportunity to make
an-obs,ervation-, , Sometimes in the kind of
relation.srhips-we. enj.oy-.or, don't enjoy
together;: on -CommJ_-ssd-o-n-. it. , is determined. ..that.
there .is some b.a.sic dif f erences bf ,opini,onvand.. I think this basic
difference . of, opinion is, ,. o.f_ -how t. _6 -.develop. the: C�.fty.- I don't think
.it is any.secret...that I .,am.. basdcal-ly., a low --density man. in my philosphy
for: developing.don'4.t -think.- there -1s any :secret that
the city..,staff 'Because when
_you, the, �.-co.st_of -city services.
• 1'. think.. the,se....Are. --- ke.1 thAt'_xt Is. or...�_-Is. ..not:." -to thebenefit
�,,,the,,..,-den'si--t-ye-�af..the� -City.* So. when
o,f..-the,.Z`ity.,
I'.1o,ok.,att.za...pi.an..'I.*,do,.,,so,,.,iri.,,,-terms,,.,:;af,.,.my,,,,own.1ph phy.-.and I say -what
1. O's
and what areas
this time,
would., not, ..have ..,,to .go,., ..,no.,e;as.on.now
; w. at
...and in, the... f o.'r.e.see:able,,,.fu,tlir,,�e.rl,,:,,,tol,.,i7iun:,.mu.lt-.i.Rle,-.....densi.ty -easterly along
-Cameron, AVenue. -the .,one --reason the
PI ann i ng '11YLrect o r. has. fcome., :up,..,w.i,-th.,,a;nd�,.whi.,.ch*.,,.I. hear occasionally from
others. tha-t ' ;,bulilld_house7s,:so . l,et-'s build
an..t.,-to.,.,qo:: that.xoute:i. that is fine
,and,: �'h_�'- e-that-. be Ii eve!-._!t' hat --way, but I
-I,.,don�!.;t,-.tzke,,an.y.,,,e.-.c.E��i,=,,,�.w.Lt
don,1..t....agr_e.e... "A
-f ox i:,m.oving, multiple- ---housing
'_C...
easterly.along 'amero venue.. I,see no reason at this stage in our
CityE'.:O. development to show potential multiple that. in all probability,
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SPEC,. Jt . CC/PC. 1-5-TO Rage Four
South Glendora Avenue P.Lan,. Area:, II Cont ° d.
unless you are- prepared... to give. it that zoning ..now,. -.will : not, have
that use for 15 to 20.:,years:.:. J.,.am- thi•nking..of that- area. extending
almost over to: walnut. -and- over.... to...Cal.i.forni a..Avenue,o ...Although . they
are old homes ...these- are - some. ,very .f.ine...homes .in ,ther.e.........1 would .,admit..
that the .area .in- question, both'-those...properties on. -Cal iforni.a..Avenue
and t.'he.. shopping... center ..:in al.l...probability could- never.. de.velop....re.si-
dential, .nomatter .: what-,you. ,do bs. .c:ause_ of -... the- .geography .of. .1t..:..and.
othe-fr, ...and,phi 1•osphically:I.,would•concur:.that. multiple:z:on-i...
ng
rablylogicalthere. _3n, my. -moves__, around. ..the ...communi.ty....and, of
course, expres,s•ing...my ,own..phi losphy., I...find.., great;,.many..people-..that
think.... the ..,:same,,_,way D .,.and ..y. thin. •k ..-vie,.. arm.. ul t natel ..,. coming, ,.to.:.the .:.15oint
where. ..this .• whole. .,.di,fifer,ence:,..n.;:iahilosphy...•that. -we.....have. .ds.....goi:ng.,.'to have
to:. be re solved,..by'. ,the ....pe.oR1e :,in•-. the,.. coinmuni,.ty, and.. ..-in. .,th6_ i-nte rim I
hope that •we.-don.°,t::.go:. overbo°�rd l:n.:.:our-.mul..t.ip;l.e.• zon-i.ng..o-f . these areas.
we have. so., ,much,. land, ..now--,zoned-•--for•.-,multiple- that ,.-unless. there is a
....real legit mate..,.and,..compel:l-i.ncg-•:reason -for.-changing, to ..mu:l.tiple, I think
itwould, be.•.better.:.for.._ .the .t-* ...,being.;.,to.•,,.leave -'it alone..-in..terms of
land . val.ues..•,i:n,, he ,.:City _a•s-. a,.whohe-. and- in. terms • .of...getting._the many
- .vacant.• acres._already,..aon,ed mul;t5A.p.1.e d6vel.oped There i.s•-su•ch•..a...thing
as ,.grossly .o•verzoning,..certai a, .,.t;y. >es_ •of- •,Use-s. _-to -where - you.•.,get .so.. much
of it., that ;none.of-it. has,.,-any..•sig:r fi.c n.t-.v,alue..•and then. you _.get.:real
substandard. devel-opments So--•h .would commend -to all .of ..us-.. to_. look .at
it n . terms .of. re.str-.aint,.... -.1 u-.1-d _ co.ricur.-in --this .area as a---bas•i.c area
....,.that. must .go.. multiple and -.mull: back•-on-..the=:.came.r•on•,Avenue, ._.area_
Councilman -Gillum, this'. .. I. am.....inclined.
%,.. in ,, soome. • aspe.cts to: ag•r.ee_wi-th...Mr-,......Ni.chol .1-. -but
my.-.: nterpr•etati.d`n...of:._wha.t•.we,..,are._trying ..to • do
is set some... type of. guide. for ...futurre--I:develotms;n.t• and,. unf.or.tunately.,
0 because of, in - the,: -past• •a ..1 ack• of .this trype _ of .ahi.nki,ng_.in. �past..•,ar.eas,
it has.c.reated..::some....pr,ob-Jeans.:.su:eh••:a.s•,,>•.thi.,s::,,Landlocksd_,prope,xty...,-:,..,,I, f.or....
one, .would _like, .to:...see. ..s.oma,..t.ype -of ,,prropo:sa•1::,.wher-.e:..the...;C:ou.nc,i,l::..:states...... -
we ' feel i:n. the. -future, .thi.s..,is• the..,way, the _-:proper,ty.,:.:can.. go.. ,.,..,I:.:.don.°.a
think we . are , being--.fzair to.., these,...peaple. whe}� we. ,vsay.: ,we ,can',t.•.,.mak:e,•:a..:•................ .
decision.,on. that. cor.ne.r..:now-, and .,we, wi,11 fiz t,,.th•at•...b•at.tl.e.. when.,:,i-t:,.-comes.
up. I .do.n.°.t, ,think. ,,we• •can,, ,,s,•t:ar.t s�abh,.:.a�,pl,-an... as, :we.:.have, .her.e,..,and, .l.e.ay.e :..
out certain ,portions ..be.c•au:se,, we,., -,
a ...decis.io.n,.•..as....to
the .direction ., t ..may ..go_,: ,:I, kno-w., h1.s...one.,piece-...ol...pr.ope:rty.. that...._
Mr. Ni.chols..,s,pe.alss-of,:.,is,,,,.,a••:prrobLem.,.p:i,ece....of,..pxapextyo• .nsd._..
to bel.ieve....:that:.:.i;f:..,we,.wo"Id,..staxt...do.wn—th.a,.t.:way..that,,,it...i.s...g.oing-.,,,to:..
go. like .a, fire_..unai,l: it;rg;e.ts :.to; .•tlae :nest .,•co.rnes,..,,but....I,.-don 1, t:.,thi:nk .:we...-.
can leave .their. witho it 'put•,tjhg• -tame. des ig.natian" on."it..'.. .I ...think ..we. .
should give - some .,.type. of. guidelines .:.to , future.. Councils and Planning
Commissions. I don,' t. think ,.we.: can-.:le-ave.. a__:parcel ..out.. and. pu.t...a_ •plan.....
together that.,,way,. ..., _......
Mayor Gleckman,.... I:.thin]4,.Mr..:..Ni-chols,..di,d.•..touch.on.something.,
that. .the. .P,1,ann ,,ng...,Comm. .s.s.ion-- i.s_..aware.:. ,o.f....,and..:.,.. -.
b.as,i,c,al.ly ..is...na.t..,.se.t.._up-..-,for....ahat.....puvpose.,_........
and actually.•.you.. fellows:.,are.,c.aught-.in_.the. midd•l.e._.-As.....:f.ar..,.as „I::,;..am,...:.
concernedthe phi 1osphy and,..growth-_af:_a.....C.i.ty...:de.pend.s-..on..-.the....e e:c.ted..:. ,...-
offici.als. to, make. the, f:i-n.:al.•..deci_sion Arid. I-,--thi-nk....ist_.i.s.. ver-y.,...easy..__,.... ......r.,.
for a fellow, ._runni.ng:•.for.,'o:ft:i.:ce..to•• stand wup..and.-:say_ .to-the..:.sir�g..le: -
family re,si•dent• do..n.°.t.,-wo•rr-y.:.about..-i.t.,..we......wi•],I.-.ne.ve.r-..infr-inge. -upon-...
your area, etc. I thank-=any::.cane�.dte�tar•-•public• of•fice••that- gets •_
•` 'up and •says ..that 4111..pr.obab_ly..be, e•leG:t :,-or.•.ge.t- h=i.s .tee.th..k.nock.ed-
out. The...point 1_am.,br.in ing. up....is, athat:<z�a:...are-..now..-pu-tt:ing.,...i.nto the...... .
Glendora. Avenue: ,Plan•, �;s :•,we,. are pxobably.,.daing�.,•in the General Plan,
politic al-:.:philosphy,. wh ,ch ,:the.,::P1;araru rag ommassion. is., supposedly not to
be, involved ::with- They .are .to�.,laok ,-.atT the < futur.e gr-.o;wth of the
community and, :make-�reeommendati•o:n.s� for •the: -hi 9.
'hest- and best use without
...taking- into.- considerate o.n ',ah,e:..:p6,. iti,cal p ilosphy. And, then maybe
the people .e.le.cted to; public... •off - ce ::wou<ld : turn -around and say you
may-be.,.r ghtA but - po,1•ia �c•a1:1y t rbe .:re.ele.cted so I ;can° t go along and I-don°•t,=mean tha.t;--you..sa-id,,.-that;: Mr .Nic-ho,l:s..o,,.:,but;.th4t -isn't the
position; I•:.•w,aant. to. -put the. Planning :C:ommissio.n-in..-.- that' you have to
be concerned- with theIf it is, :,>then we have
to pass. that::: on . to:.. you, .an, i-1,,do.n °,t ,'know- ho:w: to do that. I,. don ° t
know -how- -any. commtazai-ty cx grow..: f -.we.: exert- that.of our., :Pl anning
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.South °::Gl.end.or.a:.Aye.nue .:Pl, A r.e,a, 1.1. C-ont'°.d.....
C'oi[rm .ss.i.ono...:,:F'a:r:.u.s..to...,m,aRce thane ,,statements and,. take those positions -
okay, ..bu:t s. a.m.: not_,,g,o-ing-..,,to__s -to. _expre.s.s.;,.that..,.:opinion
to,the..,:P1 ann i,ng,.,. Comm- saor,o what you are -,to do. As far
;.as z.; am.,con,cer,ned.:you,_are,,,doing, ,a, g.;oo:d...jab ,...and -.what is expected of you
as..,a ;Planning Commission:,, Anything we talk about as far as political
phil.o.sphy is' .concerned .has ..to..be• -aa this.: _level and. we don't mean to
_.drag: you_ into it-,
Councilman .N:icYi.ol,s o ,,. .:,;a,Pray ,1-c.omment?. These things have to be said
j.n,,a.,,ca-.m..,a"tmo-8phere and I think your comments
f.a th.. The point that is
dif:ficul:t:.,Is. , to- dif.fereati,•:a,te.pl,anning philosphy from political
phi losphy... ,:: That:.: Is,,, -hard, to ,-do.:o I'. think sometimes a city staff might
draft .re.comamend,a••tions., and,;,:prapas;als- for :the review of the Planning
that.�whi,:ch �.i,safe,l tut,od.T'be ie,.��eCUS,1o[T1,?„�dl '•..i,`ndeed if we tried to separate
^ po.l.iti,caI move from a standpoint
o:f..:.ae.sthe_t:ic., pl,annl-;ng„„ :Sa:. T ;Chi, ,:when we talk planning versus
omtical,. l.t:;,is• extremely,:,d�f;.i�caal,t tota:Lly separate the Planning
ol•i.
iasion,° role::...fr.om: po a t csq S, co;r eur in your statement that the
Fl nnin Comm ,.si:on.-should .:i ,S#,riden .its independent rol'e in making
� g .;
new.p].ann�ng;de,cisa,ars�.,,,in...f.,aet,over-.. the. years the Planning
Comm.i,:ss,i-o.n:. do.esn,°«tH do._.;alaat:,,•en9•u11 „ . , I 'have . f..el-t over the years the
P.l,arming.., C;ommi,ss<on :,j,ust• too, such: accept :..what .the staff recommends as
goo d..,.pl:an.ni,ng,. •wltbo,u.t;..ever. ,sally : analy,id:ng-.. it in.terms of independent
-planning,.,, ;It_• is•...:rare...Airn ;ed; ..that ,:I :.ever- see .anything come out of the
Planning.:.Commis.si.,onr" that.; t.akes...the, .d.ir' ec.t..oppos.it.e of what staff
recommends_,- That...e:i-ther...:..impl,:i.es. that ...st.aff._ i-s perfect in their
recomme.nd.at.i.ons...or:,,,the:. R1,zin a.n ;CQ.mmtii,ss.ion..wa_nt.s to agree
.Mayo.r-Gl,e.ckman.�,. T,,thi ik t:•.we.;:are ::rea-lly talking about
her.e.-,s whether it be generated
by..
theor.."the.,Commission . They saw
weinterppro�e at.:••and;-::gave th.ir b.as,i"c.,..res.onings -behind it, and then
-P
p _phi.losphy. They have to understand there
ret :..our o.l.�ticaL
Was- nothing g wron....;_in: their .r.ecommen,dat ,on..,....but-,i..t.. didn° t -{ maybe,
co:nc,i,de,, with.,.,tY�e,-,. p•ah,.iaic.al •phho„�; h
Coun-c ::,lman.::Ch,apps,:I,1,•a,,,. ,I; . ,sur.e they.are all pretty well aware of
- r . •tlkat;, °hl:� s ;plan.; was made before our new
xg„
,:•.P.l,,asianr� '. Ire.ctor .came into being, and I am
wonde,ri.ng, if:.you. .,:have_gone,.: thx:o14',gh;:;th ,s :.,and - studied it and found no
place. where.,..you,' cou:ld.:,.mak,e,.bet:ter,ze.commendati.ons? We may have a
....Perfect document here but have you , had the time to look at this and.::
say . there.are.,no-, areas where T,*;,w"1d ••mra e changes if. I had started it
from: scratch?._,...
Mr.:: Munse,ll,.o... ; I,,have ..g.ane t;hro:ugh; .i:t,.qui.te thoroughly and,
T doni° t- say.:this :.i_;s the ultimate
franklyf,..
$ow,everati:;as .l&tter: indicated when I said
. T::..wa.s..ready,..to._re,comme•nd-.::i.t ..to...the,,a.:C'c�:u:nc.�i. 1 :"t:h.i:n:ic...what is submitted
. .. here does..-the7ob._ . Th.ere:,,.are: some t•g.o,od-, rs,o:- u.t:ionj.s here °; ..We were
brainstorming, -thi, ,...half .the.:-moxnping;, tod-'ay:.,:with,•.regard to, -.what . can -.we..
do, with ..,that..sh.oppdng .center, ,i,s, H ere ..anather ..way to workthe street
system, .:etc Sur. e,.ahexe , ,,aye, ;Yai tezraat,i::ves...;.to be .conss,dex.ed and I' went
iteistaemoodl lannot wi111n ttpa rsay, 1 t .is the u1:t:i.mate, ;:but -.I 'think
g
g. p .:and ::wi,il .,,go a ,long: wAy . towards :he:lping;:.us develop
thi•s,,are:a;::i,n-:,,a,.;way: wh,i.ch riw l l ^cle,an. ,up ,,some.: of ..=the:: problems and help
us.. to. .move.:for-ward. have,nVt,.se,en. anything. of..":.sicrnif,icance in order
sa.y T:.:don°,-t„.t1 i;n3....i,t s uld>b,e .;do.ne.,that...c,�a:y, am....pr,•epare d" to
recommend- .th ,s,,,,pl,an ...with ,.white., sr Ic:hang s .orr- : sugge. ti-o- n.s,. might be
.Ohe.,,,pl,anw,,was •race.,ntl>y,.•adoptad with. a=..cl ange . which
affects.: this.,.,p1,an,_ T;1Ze-exto•n-.ion.- ofalg =Uka-ve .,ende --up—with an area
on, theno•rthern.. side. ,o.f ,camme.—r au,ld LL`,m:a., c:e a ,,change in: this plan
(Expla ne,c3) , r ,And .i;.t. ma-kes . sea -se. , i- :,thz .: pa:�-nt, based on - the earlier
deci..s,ion, .'.of.,, the. Council U.. ,to -d ap ,.some .of. hat_proJected�, multiple - family.
Saq..n.._,my..,:,•own,.an lys,is�.:h,,.dcan,° see, a-;.p.robi with..the. change;5in Area
pPla,,Z,,.nor..wiyh,thQuthisgibstheultimate�en .this area. I am not
re ared.:to...sa .-to plari, but I feel
the, the, job .and, that there are' ways to implement .it. :We -have the tools
SPEC.,. Jt... CC/PC 1-5-70..- Page Six
South Glendora- :Avenue._ -Plan:;, -'Area II Coht ° dm
and I think this:. will -.s.o.l:v.e: _the ,;.prob,lems
Mayor Gleckman Howdetermine in an:. area, for
.... exampl,e-.,..the: ,:area-:. of ...Camer:on ;Avenue. and
Ho1;hy Place how do:: you:.:determine whether
they. should. ,be sub j,,ect to.._.a. ,:pcarta$cular- mul.ti:ple 'zo_ne7 Only by the
applicant coming . in...and :m:aki<ng , ,appl .ica-txn? _..:The .re.ason I. say that,
right now - I -see, ,a , i;tuat on where -we ,go i.zata a planning stage, saying
this . should:,be, multiple: dev,elopme�,t.:and -a- man: coming -in for multiple
development; when: given ;that -wide s:ange; a s:,go ng to seek out the
highest density. .he,�.can :put-:on.,.the :.:pro:pe.r,ty' i'i order to get dollars
and cents. o.u•t .of ;.:.the: property, ' -My- think .ng.•.-was, when do,,. --you .get to
the -idea of, -saying -:ye-s . the- Coinm.is:scion. and Council have
recommended..mult.iple_ family, but are}" talking about the Planned Unit
Development,— .-.in other. ,.word.s,:.how -.do. we .force - the . developer to up-
grade in a-. prede.termined-multiple:-de:ns;ity zone?
Commissioner Cox:- ..lM:ay.I-answer that? You have to remember
this is a passive instrument and it is used
in that very way. There is nothing that
says even though we adopt.a plan of 't.his.nature - that we are
bound to this. This, is .simpl:yi.':a -guide-, and _ if a person comes in with
a plan that we think is..compatible to -the existing uses, and it
may not be multiple-reaidential, .but i-t.,is - a good'`-; plan and we can
go along with it, we are not`bourid to this.. This.is a very passive
.tool, just a simple guide. My experience in. looking over other
Cities and Counties who have had General Plans,and they run into
considerable activity, you find. wide deviations from the plan. If
part of this plan is implemented, other things will come out of it.
(.Gave examples)
Mr. Munsell: I think too we are looking at a situation
where the report stresses the multiple
family would be a low medium multiple, so
we are talking about R-2 or R-a3 development rather than the MF-45,
our highest density. We..'ar.e.._aLso .looking at a plan to 1980 .and if a
g ?- community is not ready for this
gentleman comes, - in tomorrow,. an�d'�� the
.
multiple family,zoni.ng,the, Commission or Council only has to dictate
that -,yeas, in .the.next 20..'years we see this area going to multiple
fami.ly...z.oning :but:,n,ot .yet, _,and ,so. a zone -.,change does not have 'to be
appr,o.ved.w , Mkpl'a .ned::..in .furaihei :detail) .
Mayor .,Gleckman,:. ,,.,.. ,..,Why,, would.,. anyone come in for R-3 or MF-45
,.in :: any ; ar-&a : of . ,our City, knowing they are
subject - to ,•a: referendum, w114tkn :they can '..come in for a Planned Unit
Development, or.. a..,common,.-w,al.i housing on the - same piece of property
and know-, that ,people_wil1: -not be perturbed. What would discourage
a Planned:.,.Unit:.Devglopment .and MF-45 ..o:ncei.-t is on the books?
Commi,s.sloner•,Sackson: Tha,t:,- i§,, nat:: a fair question.-,
Mayor .,G.le,tkman• .: I think ..it..i.s....:The .. rob1em isn't what we
with, .-this-, tonight,...but. theproblem is
.,when�.,a ,pe-rson, comes ,..i.n..to_dpvel.op. ,
Commiss.ionar..,Jacks.on You.:,woul-dn °t ,haw.e a -problem. He. comes in
with. as Precise Plan. •and:.you have something
eth
hi
but a Genex..al-.. Pl:«n,,.,,a, guideou- it:dsu ur. ,besteeffortso+forTfut is nothing
future
development. ,of the.. City, but it is ' just a guide. And you know that
.all the reports ..indi.cate:....that.; there is a --shortage of multiple family,
and the ..,:trEihd...is,...towards „'multr1:pl :o
Mayor .,GLeckman: Well .I ...think .we should.. understand the
limitations unfit-rwhicb. we are 'working.
_.That:. ® Yes, -we- c,an buy this just for the .
sake of buying it --
Commissioner Jackson: .. No, I don't think you should,
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SPEC. Jt.. CC/PC _. 1-5. 70 . . .P.ag.e....Se.ven
South,. Glendora Avenue _Plat'Are.a II Cont°do
Mayor Gleckman: ..Gaod.,-that.is my.point.
Mr. Munsell: Until such a time that an individual
developer...would.-,desir.e to have.the land
developed .and.,i,n this case being a small
area of less than 100 acres,he would.have;to request at that time
an overlay zone which doe.s.g.o.:through the same process as a zone
change.' That.decision is.subject to a.referendum, but once he gets
the overlay zone applied to the -property, -then the next. -decision on
the Precise Plan is not subject to the referendum. That is subject
to tie same procedure as an Unclassified Use Permit,or the same
procedure -we operate under now,:. -.It .is -subject to call up and to
appeal but not•a referendum.. -
Mayor Gleckman: I bring that up because it is rather
ambiguous to sit down and plan a guideline
u.nle,sswe really feel this is the way the
community will develop in the future. For us to adopt something that
we could not,.back up well, it is silly for us to do it. We have
hundreds of . thousands of dollars. worth. of reports setting o,n the
shelf because .people that:.went :.ahe:.ad and .adopted. them were not willing
to implement. And -that is the point L bring to the attention of
the Council and the Commission, if you are willing to implement a plan
then,': you...adopt-,it.. . . If. you ..are ..not willing to implement it, then
Codricilman Lloyd: I think that what you have said in generali-
;, ties certainly is undeniable. The point you
made about political pressures present as far
. as tl e'; elected body..is 'concerned,as opposed to the Planning Commission,
is valid. I`,`think though what you are really saying is if we don't want
to adopt this plan,we are down to the point of saying what do we want
to adopt? I have looked it over and I don't passess any greater or
keener abilities than the people sitting here, and I do,recognize that
as a limitation;. however,I do see a consensus of opinion in one area
here .and .I..asked myself ..as:..people were talking, if indeed certain areas
here were sacred..and if indeed...I must take the whole thing or not at
all. •. This is.not politically expedient nor is it in the social
development of.this.community an expedient measure,so I am left with
the op,,l,niom..: that .. it. tdo.esn ° t.. make that much difference to me. I have a
profe'. s.ianal:..: opi.nian.,_on,:my..sightZ, and a very qualified individual
sittii g.-here, ..,and .we,. do.,,have-di.ver.si.ties. of opinicai here, but I find
consensus -..in those .- ar.e:as. between ,Merced and part way down the block
surrounding the,..commer.ci.al,,..arec'i There seems to be no great dis-
agreement.. -.on ,that.... My, .,immediate..: -re action is to approve that part of
the planand..:, the.:..othe.r _in,.. questi:on,. leave out. In five years from
today _.I_can..see_a tota,11y,d £,ferent,, Council, a totally different
Planning=..Gommi.ssion..and. perhaps. , a totally different administration,
deciding,_to.,put':entir.ely different things into the area. I am not
ready to make a motion, but if..I;were I would move that this portion
be accepted . and ..leave.,..t.he,.,re.st. ,fo:r our forefathers.
Councilman. Gillum:..,.. What I- have to..say .I "don It, want taken as a
p.ers.o.nal,icomment: ,to.. anV ,of ..my fellow
CoucilRn We ,asked ,_t.aff: ,and the Planning
Commission �t.o. prepare .a stud to Gle.ndora..,:-Avenup -,area ,!I and II, and
_ p p y ,;
they have presented this. I ..We.ha.ve..altered,.:Ar.ea and-, if. I' understand
what you are saying. -Mr- Lloyd.:, -we' should consider accepting -the part
we generally agree .on. and..fo--.get :the. rest. that might: cause..�`a problem.
Councilman .Lloyd:. Yes,, :.that :is...pre.ci.sel.y what I am suggesting.
Councilman Gillum:: I., don It see how,, we can do this. We are
asked., to. g.ive:..guid.elines to the community,
to ...give.. some -type , of standards and I think
we are setting some type of_,: s.tandArd• or..,pa�te°rnhere. . I ,couldn ° t
support :a partial ,acceptance-., of part of this plan. I don ° t think we
are" being..f,air to the:, cemmuni:ty or, to ourselves. We asked for this
study and I . think" we. have: -_:.to put., something::on. that corner, even if it
�, -
SPEC...' Jt,. CC/PC, 1-5-70. Page Eight
South -Glendora Avenue, ,..Plan,,, ,Ar6a. I.I - ContId.
is R-l. We asked for ,this, information, for guidelines, and now that we
have them we are going..to say-�".fine,but politically we can't touch
that right now!. ... I:...don" t think.. -we..', qan :;accept -half- the plan.
Councilman Lloyd.:,. In response ,`to ."your. statements, I understand
what .you are saying -and,; from....a point of view
of,Jntegrity„ if we ask somebody to do something
then we should give it eve.ry,consi.de:rati.o.n and.I"think that is precisely
what we are doing. Nobody: is. beinc ..cheated- in -this .area. . . I- am just
saying at the..present moment, that;:frankl-y -I dan ° t see the necessity
one way or....the._other,.., .and...I.r..thank:: Mr._.:Mu.nsell.._._would-"."b.e..the- first to
agree that- some ,.of,...thi.s.,s,tuff-.:,Will .take.-5 to "10 years -to develop. It
was stated..tha.t.,:.this. i.s.:..not...".the .ultimate. We all recognize that we
are involved. in.. the dynamics.:-o.. ;. urban . development and, as a result of
that, if we don ° t want to _agre.e. Ghat. ,this is it - and I don't think you
will get that agreement, then I.,s.ay why don't we take what we have,..
which is a half loaf, and go with that. Then,in 3 months or 3 years
if we decide now is the time to move'exactly the way the instrument
calls for there .is nothing preventing us from doing it, nor have we
not kept faith with these gentlemen who put in the time and effort to
look this over and make these recommendations. At the present moment,
I am not prepared to fight one way or the other. We can always go
back and do it; but,on,ce done, .to come back and reverse the process
creates greater problems than.if.we had not entered the water in the
first place.
Commissioner Mayfield: For one thing, I would suggest.to you if you
believe we have a.deep lot problem, I would
urge that this street pattern proposed be
• considered seriously. I think the street -pattern would facilitate
use of the deep lots and that it is a fortunate solution. We have
looked at'some deep lots in the Merced -Orange .area and we couldn't
work something out, but fortunately here there is a chance to do some-
thing and if.you.feel.,..i.t."i.s a problem then I would urge that something
like ..this.. be done.. because. .it would`. give all the people an opportunity
to develop: their.. -property..... There is more ;justification in this than
any othe.r....way. .th.at..-it-. co.uld.•be.....deval.oped,.unless someone came in with a
plan •to ..deve.l.op .the- .whole .piece o,f prQ'•perty, or we were prepared to
rede,ve.l.op..•,i.t., but I- . can °..::t. see any...other' solution than this. The
portion. that fronts on.. California' Avenue, my recollection of the hearings
on this was that the people . l,i:ving, ,.,in l:,those houses were in favor of this
multiple .zoning. I .admi;t, ist, is...-an.;''<o:pportunity and a gift in a sense,
but every time. you make_,a;de.cisiox ,.of this type you give somebody a prize,
but on the.:other....hand.,. it. has- a practical value. Also, Duff Avenue was
another.,,.co.ntent:i,on, thexe..is .a lot of discontent with its present use
and, hopefully. this would:.be r..e1 signed in this proposal and thereby
eliminate, that -problem ..and keepthat".R-l-•;neighbor.hood intact. The
parcel on. Cameron and. Hal•ly ,mJ._think 'all -of us have shared in the
experience of the":. zoning: we.: had drt._.0 eran...Avenue. between California
and G�endora I-.:th.i.nk ",::we-:overru,led�..the . zoning: there. two , or-s three
times-. We --started out with",,:what,':-we-,,•thaught -was- an idea-1 bu-f;fer, but
even, now -we,.,. haven° t-.' a deve.l,ope:d;,, ,acil .t Yn
'there o To me, that experience
was - pretty .that. it:,,is <<:use>he=ss..•'to,.have . too much ,:different
zoning in a single parcel,..:., " "Looking at our,_past-.-experi.ences- -I can't see
how you --can ,get .--too far,with,,,,di.ffer�ent-ia'l. •:zonin•g, ::wh4:te_ver.-you zone it,
I. would say -.it- has..: to .be....in one use ,:I£ .you". can ° t ,agr.ee on the zoning
guides shown on the plan, it would certainly be useful if you could see
your way "to approve the.::-s ree , plan.,;, and-po-ss-ibly -then -something .could
happen.. -.there..: n. ,...
Mayor Gleckman:- - I",have-no- objection to the.-'-s.treet plan, but
I.1wanted.it...expressed.by the Planning Director
and, the•:•:Planning-, Commission why it was done
this way. It _was -not- expl,ained ,:pre:viou,sly -to: Council
Councilman Nichols:;. I don't think in a million years you will
ever'see the corner of Glendora Avenue and
Cameron Avenue being built as apartments.
SPEC.. Jt , CC/PC 1-5-70 Page Nine
South Glendora. A.ve,nue.-.,PLgan ,A .ea:.Ti- C7ont.1d.
I think' it will ..have. to be some,,,commercial use or perhaps a high-
rise. I -concur. with .the ,zoning ..on thenorthern-T side of Cameron. I
think probabl.y. =.the.. one...are-a.-:where I_have ;.more feeling than any- -place
else is in --coming- .down, Merced-; Av'.e:nue acid ..going east almost to
Walnut in.an..area.,of,:real fine -homes and showing it as potential
multiple. - .--I , don.',t .see. ,any, need for showing that. The rest I think
represents a lot of goo.d..thinkingo
Commissioner#Cox: ,In respect.to that transition, I have . -a
suspicipn - and this was done before my
time:on the Commission - it was probably
put in in anticipat-i.on.o.fin the,future what are we -going to do -with
deep lots, .which ,is. no:t :,the .pattern .anymore. It may well be that
multiple isn't appropriate because of our Planned Unit Development
concept,.which may well be that these lands will go to single family
residential under the Planned Unit Development. It may be
appropriate at this time, because we do have those ordinances, to
back;off on the places where we have adequate single family residential
representation in the deep lots and.perhaps reconsider the Planned
Unit Development in those areas. To.that extent,this would be
inappropriate,and certainly the continued single family residential
might be the way to handle it. When this was prepared I don't think
we had a Planned Unit Development ordinance. The suggestion I would
make is that we eliminate that,because we have new ordinances which
are going to give us a lot more to work with on the deep lots and,for
that reason,this deep lot concept might go outthewindow.
Mayor Gleckman:. I feel the same way. I really think this is
a little frosting on the.cake that we didn't
need.
Commissioner Jackson:, Commissioner Cox is right; he called it. The
deep lot is .the problem area .that is coming.
Commissioner -Cox:. Yes, but -'we..do have this new Planned Unit
Development,'which will give us.something
to .work :-with, something * we never had before.
(Discussed and explained in further detail). So,eliminating it
reflects modern thi-nk.i:ng, a- conceptit we---did--not have a year ago. It
is just that.. new,.. -
Commissioner May -field: One,_fur.ther.comment-..the.Office-Professional
str.i'.which fronts on Glendora where we have
..the very :s.ha.11.oW:-..lots-....I have no alternative
to offer,but I don't .like it because I don't think what we will get
there will be very healthy.looking when--we-get ito It would be fine
if we could figure .out., some .other. way,.,.
Commissioner Jackson: On.hindsght -,if we just extended it
str-aight through and cul-de- saced. these
two-s-tr,eets- and- eliminated Duff, it might be
:a be t:te.V thing.:...
Mayor .Gl.eckm.an: .T.aking...it : along your . thinking Mr. ' Munsell,
aren't some of these properties already.
zoned.commercial that have the medium density
multiple?
Mr. Munsell: It is zoned all the way to the end of Duff
Avenue,with..an-.agr.iculture strip behknd,... -
-Mayor Gleckman: My question is, how do you take it from
commercial to multiple density? (Answer: You
don ° t.o )
Commissioner Cox: It...i.s.not considered a "no -no" in zoning to
down -zone and sometimes.in doing so you create
an economic unit far'superior to what it would
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SPEC. it.CC/PC i-5-70 Pc Ten
South Glendora ...Ave.nue.:."P-1".an.,. ; Area II Cont ° da
be in commercial...it.self.-_.Commercial always -indicates a higher value,
but that is only „true... if, you have .an economic..demand.
Mayor Gleckman:... How,,about.--if it is already built on?
Commissioner Cox: That is another story,. -'if that built -
upon economic use is producing income to
tify.. it.
Mayor Gleckman:: Or if the owner would seek to have„it
..redeveloped because it is not bring'ing'.in
sufficient income.
(Discussion followed onwhat..-is. a1.re.ady....on.....the-.property, etc.
Mr. Munsell stated one of ..the large parcels is the-
convalescent
hospital,and one. of the reasons w6- anticipated taking the zoning back
was because.. the convalescent'-'haspital can operate in a residential
zone under the. Unclassified Use Permit. The properties are basically
under one ownership and they have been currently developed to about
1501 depth,and they haven°t,gone'back further from Glendora.)
Mr. Munsell: Until recently we had no indication -that -
there would be any further development but
I have had, within the last month, an'
indication that they might want to come in with a plan for one more
lot south and back just about as.f ar.as..the.Taco stand. (Explained)
Mayor Gleckman: Again we are talking.about a general guide,
and the only point I am making is that:--shbWing
it again in the land use you are adopting a_
land use with a nonconforming land.. -use existing on.it.
Mr. Munsell: Currently,,. it- .is not. It is..a proposal for
:one lot., The :Taco stand is within the red
area.of the.:map. Basically the large parcel
immediately to the south of :where.that.proposal would be, should be
considered in terms of multiple family since there'is no development
proposed,and all of the development in.there is no deeper than 1501
and you will wind up with,commex'.c,i;al---_frontage that .is land locked.
Commissioner Mayfield.,:.. When,we,,had the hearings on the Azusa Avenue
Plan we -::,had- a': lot of .inquiries about the
outerboundaries away from Azusa Avenue, and
at that time I think we kind, .of..corveyed :the opinion to those people
that if someone wanted to.,make a deeper development.off of Azusa
Avenue that this would be a.logical-thing. That..these outer boundaries*
of the limits of commercial development on Azusa were flexible. I
don't know....if_..Council._.agreed.;or .not, but at least in the , Planning
Commission, discussion. we. did':co:nvey..this impression.
Chairman, Adams:: ,: Speaki.ng.. , on..behalf - of the Commission, I
would:%,,s.ay,that-we appreciate the.opportunity
to,:, meet.: ,like this and. -perhaps ;a --restatement
of the.:.. d:i"rec:tion..:we..-are.. to, take - in... these: matte-rs of planning. I- think
we appr.oach.this..particular study b.y recognizing the:problems of the
area, which .are. pretty. eminent. to.'.'a11- those -living. in. the. area or
passing through.. I think,one.of,:.the things suggested in the study,,
and which .is - now taki-ng pl,ace, . was:, the physical ",upgrading of Glendora
Avenue itself ,..,.and.....if:,,thi:s.patter:n;•can.::.be maintained throughout the
rest of the.. area, ,. I .,think. -we, will. see, a s .gni,fic.ant improvement.
In driving through., the..,ar.ea.,no:w I;; Edon °,t know -of _a -more pleasing street,
from .the stundpo.i.nt ,.of,.:,aes:thetics_ -,and- •fu-nctio.nal use, than -Glendora
in the area, improved..., -.-At.- :the .,.,same: time -it was--on-ly 'several months ago
that it ,wap, probably .the ,most;.:unsghtly:.and unuseable--str:,.eet in our
City, So' ...I think., there-.: ar.e..sugges,tions..,in,.thi-s-:.pl-an that are of merit
if implemented. I ...:think, we::.have_.:'.aa quality. street . in Glendora Avenue
now, in the area improved,,and if we can get quality development along
the sides of Glendora, we will be coming a long way. I think we are
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going to -have to be .even .more .responsive in the future to the needs
of the commu-pity...fr.om..the,.st-andpoi.nt of urban planning. At one time
we were looking at., a.20 ;year, plan,,, and -I think that. is still reasonable;
but when= talking -..about.. future.:.planning, I think we have to look at it
from the standpoint, that-, need`s change almost yearly now. I think we
are well- into. a .m,ajor:.,r.ev.o.lu.t.i:on-in, urban :.developments due to the
agewise popu:la.t on..of-..our.-:communi:tie.s.; the. cost of developing and
building; the money. situation; the;:fact_ that many of our areas are
in the need :of being.revit.al.ized -'`I think. we are going to see more.
intense land uses in.the.-future in_:the•areas.tha-t have been acceptable
as attracting urban.uses.; they will, certainly.have to be more intensely
developed as prices continue .to increase. In our own areas we have
entirely different population with different needs and demands,and I am
talking about a younger and older population and their needs are
certainly'different than most of the needs of those present here. I
think we will be looking at most of our planning studies more frequently
to see whether they are in line with what the community is looking for.
I would perhaps convey my own thoughts on this plan, that we did think
this was a good plan when presented. We heard it at a public hearing
on two different occasions, most questions were answered, and the plan
we did pass on to Council represented the best of our thinking at that
time,and perhaps still does.
I am not saying that next year.,or in five years
from now,we would not probably suggest changes in the plan. Now, we are
not actually., -changing ..-anythi.ng, «but...we hope we. are giving some direction
in the areas that have not been developed, or are ready for redevelopment..
When the time comes for the change.- I.: think at- that time, just like we
do with any other zoning m.a;,tter,.,:we .would-cons:ider :.it on its own merit,
at that particular time, hearing the proposal; studying the needs', etc.,
deciding whether or not it is a good -or bad development at -that
particular time.
We have, had Glendora with us for a long time.
We have had several studies and I. think :.this. -.one. -..will bear more fruit
than the others. In fact it:.>has.,.already.done this - the improvement
of the street itself has and. -will continue to -give an added incentive
to those along the street;,.,to do some.thing..be.tter.than in the past.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, that
Council approve the South Glendora Avenue Plan, Area II as presented,
with the exception of the proposed designation to multiple family as
shown within the East Merced.
Councilman Nichols: The multiple shown on Merced Avenue - - that
includes the City lots?
Mr. Munsell: Yes, it does.
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Motion carried on roll_c.all vote. as follows:
AYES: Councilmen.:;,G'Tlum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None.:
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Mr. Munsell: Mr. Mayor, may -I -have some direction as to
what you would :Like. shown?
Mayor Gleckman: I: gathered R-'l was--the.inference. (Council
agreed.)
(Mayor Gleckman thanked all for being present and wished everyone a
Happy New Year, saying he felt this was the way to start a New Year
by moving forward.)
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Motion by Councilman.Chappell, seconded by -Councilman Lloyd,and
carried, adjourning meeting at 9:05 P.M.
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ATTEST:
CITY CLERK
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MAYOR
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