03-09-1981 - Regular Meeting - Minutes0
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REGULAR "1EETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF l�!EST COVINA, CALIFORNIA
March 9, 1981
The regular meeting of the City Council of the City of 14est Covina was called
to order by Mayor Shearer at 7:30 PM in the City Hall Council Chambers, 1444
W. Garvey Avenue, West Covina, California. The Pledge of Alleqiance was led
by Councilman Chappell and the invocation was given by Father Ray Smith of
'.St. Martha's Episcopal Church.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Shearer, Mayor Pro Tem Tice, Councilmembers Chappell
and Tennant
Absent: Councilman Bacon (due to illness)
Others Present: Mooney, Fast, Newton, Thomas, Miller, Eliot, Salazar,
Hunter, Fowler, Wolff, R. Holmes, Meacham,.McClelland,
Pryor, Keating, Varela, Yoshizaki, Berry
APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell, and unanimously
carried to approve the Minutes of the regular meeting
held February 23, 1981.
CONSENT CALENDAR Written Communications
Calif. Regional !,later Compliance Inspection Report for BKK Class I Landfill
Control Board, L.A. received February 12, 1981. (receive and file)
County Sanitation Notices received of public hearings to be held on April 2
Districts and 8 re sanitation rates. (receive and file)
Planninq Commission
Summary of Action of March 4, 1981. (accept and file)
Recreation and Park Commission
Summary of Action of February 24, 1981. (accept and file)
Human Resources Commission
Summary of Action of February 26, 1981. (accept and file)
ABC Applications
(Chief of Police reports no legal basis for protest)
Sav-On Drugs, Inc. dba S.AV-ON DRUGS, INC.
3650 S. Nogales St. 3650 S. Nogales St.
West Covina !Jest Covina
Visit Thongsiri
• 839 S. Redlen Avenue
Whittier
Lorraine & William Ormsby
3831 Gilman Road
El Monte
dba, VISIT LIQUOR'BARREL
1827 W. Badillo Street
!lest .Covina
dba CHAPARRAL
642 S. Sunset Avenue
I -lest Covina
Claims for Action (Deny and notify claimant)
Marciela Montezuma Filed a claim on February 13, 1981, for property damages
amountinq.to $381.36.
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James Comaroto Filed an application to file a late claim on February
9, 1981, amounting to $1104.00.
Acceptances of Improvements and/or Release of Bonds
SP-81023 Location: Merced and Shasta, east of Hollenbeck
BACKHOE JERRY, INC. Staff recommends accepting trenching and backfill and
releasing Faithful Performance Bond for $5,557.50.
Unclassified Use Permit Location: Northwest corner of Azusa and Puente
No. 224 Staff recommends acceptinn street and sewer improvements
OLIVE TREE TERRACE a'nd acknowledging completion of grading, and releasing
the Faithful Performance Bond for $17,700.
Southwest Sururban Rate Increase informational
Review Engineer's Report. receive and file)
CONSENT CALENDAR MOTION Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice to approve all items
listed on the Consent Calendar. Motion carried by roll
call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Comments to items under
Oral Communications
CLOSED
David Rosen, 2829 Rosemary, West Covina, stated that he
had just opened a business in West Covina on East Garvey
Avenue and had been informed that his business lion did
not conform to Municipal Code requirements. He stated
the Planning Department had offered two options for his
consideration, but that both were too expensive for him.
Rosen submitted pictures of his business and sign.
Leslie Cooke, 2724 Miranda, blest Covina, stated that the
residents around the landfill were still complaining of
odors.
City Attorney Newton outlined the procedures for a
variance from the sign regulations. Mr. Rosen was en-
couraged to speak with Acting Planning Director Mike
Miller regarding the variance process and fees.
AWARD OF BIDS 1) VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BUILDING - GP 80031
Council reviewed staff's report.
Vehicle Maintenance bldg. Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant to award
GP 80031 the project to McALPINE CONSTRUCTION, INC., Paramount,
McALPINE.CONSTRUCTION in the amount of $406,987.00 and authorize the Mayor
and City Clerk to execute the agreement. Motion car-
ried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
2) AD 80-1 PROSPERO DRIVE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT
Ad 80-1 Prospero Council reviewed staff's report.
Drive Assessment Dist. Motion by Tice, seconded by Tennant, and unani-
mously carried to reject all bids received at the bid
opening of February 17, 1981.
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3)
BID NO. 81-97 ONE -TON TRUCK AND ONE DUMP TRUCK
Bid No. 81-97
Council reviewed staff's report.
Motion by Tennant, seconded by Tice to a) authorize
One -ton truck:
the transfer of $1,238.85 from the 812-61 account to
LEO HOFFMAN CHEVROLET
the 853-61 account, b) award Bid No. 81-97 for a one -
.Industry, CA
ton truck to Leo Hoffman Chevrolet in the amount of
Dump truck:
$11,438.86, including tax, c) authorize the transfer
PECK ROAD FORD TRUCK SALES
of $4,509.66 from the 812-61 account to the 853-61
Whittier, CA
account, and d) award Bid No. 81-97 for a dump truck
to Peck Road Ford Sales, Inc. in the amount of
$16,509.66, including tax. Motion carried by roll
call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
4) BID NO. 81-96 A TWO -THREE TON ROLLER
Bid No. 81-96 Council reviewed staff's report.
Motion by Tennant, seconded by Chappell to award
Two -three ton roller: the bid for a two -three ton roller to Adco Equipment
ADCO EQUIPMENT INC. Inc., La Puente, in the amount of $10,508.20 (net
3% discount), including tax. Motion carried by roll
call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
PUBLIC WORKS 1) PARCEL MAP NO.-13674 - APPROVAL OF FINAL MAP -
PHIL MASON "
Final Parcel Map Approval Location: Northeast quadrant Francisquito & Willow
No. 13674 Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
PHIL MASON CityAttorney
y presented:
RESOLUTION NO. 6282 a- A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF 14EST COVINA, CALIFORNIA,
APPROVING FINAL MAP OF PARCEL MAP NO. 13674
Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell, and unani-
Adoption of mously carried to waive further reading of the reso-
.:Resolution No. 6282a lution and to adopt.
2) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT.224 - VACATION AND QUITCLAIM
OF SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT - OLIVE TREE TERRACE
Unclassified Use Permit 224 Location: Northwest quadrant Azusa & Puente Avenues
OLIVE TREE TERRACE Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
City Attorney presented:
Resolution No. 6283 RESOLUTION NO. 6283 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF 14EST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, VA-
CATING AND ABANDONING A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT WHICH
HAS BEEN SUPERSEDED BY RELOCATION
Resolution No. 6284 RESOLUTION NO. 6284 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, RES-
CINDING RESOLUTION NO. 6013 AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR
AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE A CORPORATION QUITCLAIM DEED
IN FAVOR OF OLIVE TREE TERRACE
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice, and unani-
Adoption of mously carried to waive further reading of the reso-
�.foregoing resol.utions lutions and to adopt.
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3) ISLAND ANNEXATIONS - PROPOSED STREET LIGHTING INSTAL-
LATIONS
#Proposed lighting for Location: East of Citrus, south of San Bernardino
island annexations. Freeway in the vicinty of Francisquito
and Willow
Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
Motion by Tice, seconded by Tennant, and unanimously
carried to authorize the City Engineer to conduct
informational -meetings and/or a post card survey as
appropriate to determine the interest of residents
of the island annexations concerning the installation
of street lighting.
4) CITYWIDE STREET LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING DISTRICT NO.
1981-82 .- RENEWAL
Location:, Citywide
Resolution re renewal of
Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
citywide street lighting
City Attorney presented:
& maintenance district
RESOLUTION.NO. 6285 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
1981ten
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, ORDER-
ING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PREPARE AND FILE A REPORT IN
ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 4, CHAPTER 1, PART 2, "LAND-
SCAPING AND LIGHTING ACT OF 1972, BEING DIVISION 15,
STREETS AND HIGHWAYS CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,
ORDERING CERTAIN STREET LIGHTING FIXTURES AND APPUR-
TENANCES TO -BE INSTALLED, ELECTRICAL ENERGY AND MAIN-
TENANCE TO BE FURNISHED FOR ALL STREET LIGHTS THROUGH-
OUT THE CITY, AND FOR THE FURNISHING OF LANDSCAPING
MAINTENANCE, APPURTENANCES AND APPURTENANT WORK IN THE
CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AS SHOWN ON PLAN AND
DIAGRAM NO. 1981-82, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR COMMENCING
JULY 1, 1981 AND ENDING JUNE 30, 1982
WEST COVINA STREET LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE
DISTRICT NO. 1981-82
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice, and unani-
Adoption of
mously carried to waive further reading of the reso-
Resolution No. 6285
lution and to adopt.
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5) WOODSIDE VILLAGE LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE DISTRICT NO.
4 - 1981-82 RENE14AL
`,Resolution re renewal of
Location: West', of Azusa Avenue, north & south of
Woodside Village land-
Amar Road
scape maintenance dis-
Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
trict No. 4
CityAttorney presented:
RESOLUTION NO. 6286 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, ORDER-
ING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PREPARE AND FILE A REPORT IN
ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 4, CHAPTER 1, PART 2, "LAND-
SCAPING AND HIGHWAY ACT OF 1972% BEING DIVISION 15,
STREETS AND HIGHWAYS CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,
FOR THE INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING AND THE MAINTENANCE
THEREOF IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, FOR
THE FISCAL YEAR COMMENCING ON JULY 1, 1981, AND ENDING
JUNE 30, 1982
Adoption of
WEST COVINA WOODSIDE VILLAGE LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE
Resolution No. 6286
DISTRICT NO. 4 (1981-82)
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant, and unani-
mously carried to waive further reading of the resolu-
tion and to adopt.
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• 6) MAINTENANCE DISTRICT NO. 7 - CONTRACT FOR ASSESSMENT
ENGINEERING SERVICES - PONDEROSA HOMES
Assessment Engineering Location: South of Citrus and easterly thereof
Services - Pat. Rossetti Council reviewed Engineer's Report.
Main. Dist. No. 7 Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell to authorize the
Mayor and City Clerk to execute the agreement with
Patrick N. Rossetti for assessment engineering services
for Maintenance District No. 7. Motion carried by roll
call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
COMMISSIONS & DEPARTMENTAL ITEMS
RECREATION AND PARK COMMISSION
GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT
Council reviewed staff's report.
Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell to a) approve the
Grant Applications following projects:
for park development Friendship Park Security Lighting
. Del Norte Tennis Courts
Woodgrove Park - Phase I Development
Shadow Oak Concession/Storage Facility
Shadow Oak Athletic Lighting
and b) approve the following allocation of matching funds
from Park Dedication Fees:
Friendship Park - $10,000
Del Norte Park - $15,000
Motion carried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
.NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
City Attorney presented three resolutions:
Resolution No. 6287 RESOLUTION NO. 6287 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF 14EST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING THE
APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDS UNDER THE ROBERTI-Z'BERG
URBAN OPEN 'SPACE -AND RECREATION PROGRAM - FIFTH & SIXTH
YEARS
Resolution No. 6288 RESOLUTION NO. 6288 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF +JEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING THE
APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDS UNDER THE ROBERTI-Z'BERG
URBAN OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION PROGRAM BOND
Resolution No. 6289, RESOLUTION NO. 6289 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING THE
APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDS UNDER THE 1980 PARKLANDS BOND
ACT
Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell, and unanimously
Adoption of carried to waive further reading of the resolutions and to
foregoing resolutions adopt.
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• POLICE DEPARTMENT
POLICE CANINE UNIT PROPOSAL
Council reviewed staff's report. Council comments sup-
ported the proposal.
Police canine unit Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell to authorize the
approved Chief of Police to transfer approximately $15,000 in un-
expended funds in the existing police budget to implement
a canine program consisting of two specifically bred and
trained dogs. Motion carried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT
IMPLEMENTATION OF AMENDMENTS TO PERSONNEL RULES AND MASTER
CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION .RESOL`UTION
Council reviewed staff's report.
Amendments to personnel
City Attorney presented:
rules and master
RESOLUTION NO. 6290 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
classification reso.
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING THE MASTER
CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION RESOLUTION NO. 1277 RE-
LATING TO ACTING PAY FOR SWORN POLICE EMPLOYEES, ACTING
ASSIGNMENTS IN.THE FIRE_ DEPARTMENT, AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE
A PHYSICIAN'S CERTIFICATE, AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE A PHYSICAL
EXAMINATION, COURT STANDBY PAY FOR S14ORN POLICE EMPLOYEES,
ANNUAL SICK LEAVE PAYOFF PROGRAM; AND ALSO AMENDING THE
PERSONNEL RULES AS THEY. RELATE TO UNAUTHORIZED LEAVE .AND
AUTOMATIC TERMINATION
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant, and unani-
Adoption of
mously carried to waive further reading of the resolution
Resolution No. 6290
and to adopt.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1) ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION DECLARING VARIOUS ITEMS OF
CITY PROPERTY AS SURPLUS
Disposal of suplus City
Council reviewed ,staff's report. Council clarified
items-
that the particular items listed in the resolution
would be disposed of through governmental agencies,
rather than through an auction.
City Attorney presented:
RESOLUTION NO. 6291 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, DE-
CLARING'VARIOUS ITEMS OF CITY PROPERTY AS SURPLUS
Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell, and unani-
Adoption of
mously carried to waive further reading of the reso-
Resolution No. 6291
lution and to adopt.
HEARINGS
The hour of 8:00 PM having arrived, Mayor Shearer announced
that it was the time and place to consider the scheduled
hearings.
1) APPEAL OF PRECISE PLAN NO. 746 AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
REPORT NO. 1980=1
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HEARINGS Precise Plan;of Design No. 746
Environmental Impact Report- No. 1980-1
Shapell Government Housing, Inc.
Request: Applicant is requesting approval
of a precise plan of design for an 81-ui2it
apartment complex on a 6.11-acre.site in
the Low Density (MF-15) and Medium: Density
(MF-20).Multiple Family Zones.
Location: Easterly end of Aroma Dr-Lve
north of Ga lster Wilderness Park.
Development Services Director Mi".e Miller
presented the staff report.
Mayor Shearer asked if, there were questions from
the Council.
Tennant: What is.the density per acre of the neigh-
boring units?
Miller: The neighboring units `are approximately
14 to 15 units per acre.
Tennant: 14 or 151, and this is 13?
Miller: Yes.
Tennant: That is number one, and number cwo, at -the
Planning Commission hearings -in January,
residents'- the area asked that.a number
of things be done, including the wall, and, I believe, the
swinim,ing pool, and a number of things'. Was there anything
that they asked to have done that.has not been done'?
Miller: The only things that were asked that were
not done, to Trey knowledge, were the deed for
additional traffic studies,,rioise studies
and items .of that nature, as pertains o physical or drainage
studies. As it pertains to a physical element- in this project,
it -was required by the Planning Commission.
Tennant: Could you refresh for my memory what those
major things were that the residents in
the area asked for at tha : time.
Miller: The first item was to address the noise
consideration...
Tennant: I am to piing about the physical structure.
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• Miller: The physical structure, I am leading to that.
The six,foot high masonry wall at the top
of the slope above this project to help miti-
gate the noise was a condition added by the Planning Commission
unless waived by the property owner because the property owner
may have a wall or fence he desires. In addition, we required
additional landscaping to address noise. Secondly, the swimming
pool to be located in the project for adults and children was
added as a result of a request. The renter's awareness package
to notify renters, if possible, was a requirement to address
the mitigation, or to help mitigate, air pollution. There was
a requirement added that there shall be prepared a drainage
plan to the satisfaction of the City Engineer to adequately
eliminate any foreseeable impact of storm run-off on adjacent
property. That was added in response to a request of the
homeowners. And, the landscaping plan, again, regarding the
treatment of the northerly slope, which also was in response
to the concerns raised by the residents.
Tice.: Maybe I better ask this question so that the
proponents of the project can maybe answer
it during the course of their presentation.
Shearer: Go ahead.
Tice: Do we have any specifics as far as the drainage
situation? You mentioned that there are require-
ments. Does that have to do with the capacity
of the drainage, and so forth?
Miller: At this point in time, no.
Tice: So, there is nothing on that.
Miller: Nothing in precise terms, they are just...
Tice: They have had some flooding problems up
there in the northeast area in the past
years.
Miller: They would be required to address or accept
that water entering the site at that location
and satisfactorily disposing of it on Aroma
Drive.
Tice: Down Aroma Drive, or through the drain?
Miller: Through the drain.
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Tice: Through the drain. The Lot lot, is that
over here by the... Where about is the
tot lot located?
Miller: Right in here. This is the tot lot. The
pool is over here.
Tice: That is 7,500 square foot?
Miller: The pool is over 750 square feet.
Tice: 750. Is there any mention in there about
a recreation building during the Planning
Commission hearing?
Miller:
To my knowledge, no.
Tice: Alright. Do you have a little more information
regarding the elevation. The one blueprint
that we have doesn't show too much.
Miller: As far as the specific materials used on the
elevation?.
Tice: Well, the colors and so forth.
Miller: I think the applicant might be able to address
that more precisely than I could.
Tice: Okay. And, has anything been done in the way
of talking to the RTD about public transporta-
tion in that particular area?
Miller: At this point in time, there has been.no dis-
cussion.
Tice: I see. That is all the questions I have at
this time. I might have some more later.
Tennant: I have one more question. I am :a little con-
cerned that you haven't made more comment
about traffic because we have all of this
commercial development going into the front end.of Aroma Drive,
and that thoroughfare doesn't go through. What about all of
this traffic? To put more units at all along Aroma right now,
can that street carry that?
Miller: At the time the San Jose Hills development
to the east was considered and the Aroma
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connector was analyzed as a means of servicing that area, we
did a complete traffic analysis of the impact of the San Jose
Hills.development and at a full development of the Aroma Drive
area at its maximum density. This included the commercial on
the corner of Aroma and Azusa, and assumes all projects, or
all vacant land on Aroma, would achieve the maximum density,
which was 15 units to the acre, which is not the case. At
that time, it was determined that the width of.Aroma Drive
was adequate to address and handle the traffic satisfactorily.
The one matter that needed to be addressed or added as a
physical improvement was the signal at Aroma and Azusa, and
that is now in operation. At the time we did the San Jose
Hills development, we did a complete traffic analysis for
this area as well as the San Jose Hills development, and it
conformed to City codes, City standards,
Tice: I have one additional question, Mr. Mayor.
Shearer: Councilman Tice.
Tice: Has any discussion been held with the developer
with regard to relocation of the guest parking,
or is that...
Miller: Yes, we have. We are faced with a number of
alternatives. We could work out a way of doing
it. The one problem that we,were faced with
was trying to provide the security devices that were desired
and felt needed in this particular project to protect the project,
as well as, you know, adequate on -site parking spaces. That
certainly can be modified. It would be difficult. The location
that we have worked out at this point in time is consistent with
the security devices and the locations for same. As I indicated
in my Staff presentation, there are other projects that have
similar situations where the guest parking is on -site behind
the security gates, and there is no significant parking problem,
or any greater significant parking problem than in other apart-
ment projects that we are aware of.
Tice: I think that is all I have for now.
Chappell: Mr. Mayor, I have one comment.. There is one
pool in this project, and it is about 18' x
40'. Basically, it is about the size of a
good pool in the backyard. I would say some studies should
be done. There would be about 81 families using the pool, and
it doesn't really look to me like phis pool is going to be any-
where near adequate to service these families. Seeing as there
is only one pool in the project, i think we should hear some-
thing about enlargening that pool �to the point where more than
just a backyard pool is going to be placed in this project.
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Shearer: Before I entertain any more questions, I am
going to ask the City Attorney if these
questions are proper to be asked now, or
if we should wait for the hearing to be conducted. Is there
any -problem with asking them now?
Attorney: Well, there really isn't a problem in asking
them now in that they may provide subject
matter for the applicant or the opponents.
Shearer: Okay. We will proceed. Are there any other
questions? Councilman Tennant?
Tennant: Yes, I have seen a rendition of what the apart-
ments are to look like at the Planning Commission.
Mr. Miller, do you have the pictures of what
these will look like, number one, and, do they look any less
attractive than any others in the area, and number two, do you
have any reason to believe that they will be made of inferior
materials to like apartments in the area?
Miller: In answer to the first question, we will get
the rendering. And, in answer to your second
question as to whether or not the attractive-
ness of it is any different, the answer is no. In fact, it is
probably just as attractive as any other apartment project we
have had. And, as far as the materials that would be used as
being inferior or possibly being inferior, there is no doubt
in my mind that there would not be any inferior materials used
in this project. It would be just as good as any other apart-
ment project built in this City.
Shearer: Any further questions at this time? (None
indicated.) Alright then, we will enter
into the public portion of our hearing.
All testimony will be taken on the matter before us with
regard to the precise plan itself, as well as the Environmental
Impact Report. If you have specific testimony on the Environ-
mental Impact Report and are able to differentiate that from
other portions of your testimony, we would appreciate you high-
lighting that to enable Staff to take specific note of questions
that might be raised because as a matter of our process, those
questions must either.be addressed this evening at the close
of the hearing, or at a later date, but in any case prior to
final action on the Environmental Impact Report.
The process for our hearing will be that those
who wish to testify in favor of the project will be allowed the
opportunity to speak first, followed by those who are opposed,
and then a rebuttal period to enable those who are in favor
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of the project the opportunity to r
are raised in opposition. I will r
City has a three minute limitation
believe this evening we will be som
viding you ask for it. If you don'
get. So, I would encourage you bef
mony, if you are going to need more
ask and I am sure that within reaso
will respond to that request.
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but only those items that
peat, by ordinance the
n testimony, however, I
what liberal on that pro -
ask, you probably won't
re you start your testi-
than three minutes, please
, at least, the Council
Is there anyone here this evening wishing to
testify in favor of the matter before us, the precise plan as
well as the Environmental Impact Report?
Public Testimony
In Favor:
Mark Maltzman By proponent, I presume you mean in favor
Vice President of the project going ahead as opposed to
Shapell Govt. being in favor of the appeal brought forth
Housing, Inc. tonight.
Shearer: Yes, that is correct.
Maltzman: Okay. Mr. Miller, the Planning Director,
I think has very lucidly brought forth
all of the issues that have revolved around
this project for the past many months. What I would like to
say to you is that I do have our architect, who is here to
answer any questions that either the Council members might
have or that might be brought up by anybody raising any
comments, and also I would like to submit to the Council a
letter regarding the general plan verses zoning issue that
seems to have been raised.
I would like to say that unless you have any
questions immediately, I would reserve any comments that I
might make further down the road in response to the questions
or comments that anybody else might have.
Shearer: Well, I would remind you that now is your
opportunity, if you care to, to address any
of the questions that have been raised by
the City Council. If no one who testifies in opposition
40 raises those same questions, then your opportunity to address
them is gone.
Maltzman: Well, okay. With respect to some of the
questions that you have brought up, one of
them is drainage. We have not only had a
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soils investigation done with respect to the project, but we have
also had surveys and engineering reports that are pretty detailed
with respect to the manner in which not only will the property
drain, but it will be designed so that there won't be run-off
from the property to the other neighbors. Also, I would like
to point out that the land is in a state of fill or natural,
which is probably the worst possible condition that a piece of
land could be in. Right now there are really no measures that
have been taken on that land to improve upon any drainage
problems. We are aware that there have been drainage problems
in the past, and it is our opinion, and the opinion of our
civil engineer, that all of those problems will be completely
taken care of. There is planned an underground drainage sys-
tem paralleling the carports that will take the water from
the, I believe it would be the, southeast portion of the site.
out to Aroma Drive. Basically, what we have is irrigation
throughout the developed portions of the project to see that
the things that we plant stay there so that there is no
additional erosion. We have also planted all of the areas
in the landscape plan, which is, of course, subject to the
approval of the Planning Director, as is the grading plan.
In addition, I believe the question has been
brought up regarding the location of the guest parking spaces.
I might point out that this project has probably the most
elaborate security system of any project that has been brought
forth into the City of West Covina. We are trying to preserve
the integrity of that system. The way to do that is to bring
the guest spaces into the project, so that is what we have
done. We realize that there is the possibility that somebody
could park on the street, however, they won't be able to get
into the project if he does that. So, we think that is a
sufficient deterent. The other thing,,too, is that we have
tried to keep the parking for the units close to the units.
That is because typically the person who goes out shopping
wants to take his groceries into the unit, and he is the
one who really needs to have it close by. Therefore, we
have tried to put the parking spaces reserved for the tenants
close to the units.
If anybody has any other questions, why I
would be happy to answer them.
Shearer: I have a couple of questions, Mr. Maltzman.
I am not trying to pick up on words, but
you said it was your desire to keep the
guest spaces in the project. How do you get the guests into
the spaces?
Maltzman: Signs.
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Shearer: Well, how do they get through the security gate?
If I am going there to visit a friend, how do I
get physically into the space,.assuming that it
is empty, to park?
Maltzman: It will be necessary to have some system set up
with management to enable somebody to get into
the project.
Shearer: Yes, but how do I get to the manager? You said
that if I park on the street, I can't get into
the project. I can't get into the project by
walking. I can't get into the project by driving. How do I
get into the project if I am a guest?
Maltzman: There will be a way to get into the project.
Shearer: I want you to tell me how that is.
Maltzman: Through a gate. There will be a gate.
Shearer: So, you didn't really mean that if I park on
the street...
Maltzman: With an intercom system to the manager's unit.
Shearer: What if the manager isn't there? What provi-
sions will be made?
Maltzman: Well, the manager is a full time manager, 24
hours, who will also have an assistant manager,
who will be in charge in his absence.
Shearer: So the method would be some sort of communica-
tion device that is available outside of the
perimeter to trigger the manager opening to
the guest.
Maltzman: Yes.
Shearer: Are there any further questions from the Council?
Tice: What is the size of that tot lot?
Maltzman: That would be something that the architect
would have to describe to you.
Shearer: Are there any other questions?
Tice: I would like to see the elevations. I would
like to see that addressed.
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• Shearer: Alright. Do you have some pictures you would
like to show us? If you don't show them, we
are not going to get to see them. It is your
time.
Maltzman: Well, we have submitted to the Planning Commis-
sion and the Staff a rendering...
Tice: Have you determined at this point the landscap-
ing, the types of shrubs, and so forth that
will be planted?
Maltzman: Yes, we have delivered to the Planning Director
copies of the landscape plan, which set forth
the location of each tree, bush, and...
Tice: That sounds more descriptive than the blueprint
that I have showing the elevation. It would be
a little easier to visualize.
Maltzman: So, at this point, if there are no other questions...
Shearer: Are there any other questions? (None indicated.)
Ma ltzman: I would like to introduce the architect, Mr. Tim
Smith.
Shearer: Alright, Mr. Smith.
Tim Smith
Regarding the
area for the
tot lot,
I would
Architect for
guestimate the
area to be
some place
between
the Project
800 and 1,000
square feet.
That is
the area
within the area that we define as the tot lot.
There is open space all around the tot lot, so
there is additional space besides that defined
area where there are swings, a sand tot lot, and benches and so
forth.
I don't know whether the rendering was self-
explanatory. I could go into some materials, if you wish.
The building basically is more of a Spanish style. It has a
Spanish tile roof. The basic material on the body of the
building is stucco with wood trim. The balconies are all
wood handrails and wood pickets. We think the project is,
• in terms of design, as nice a project as there is in West
Covina. I think the rendering more or less explains that.
In terms of the question on the landscaping
on the rendering, there is sort of an artists license when
we render these.. The landscaping will be pretty much like this.
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However, the landscape plan was developed after the rendering.
• The rendering was done relatively early in the stage of the
project.
I think the only other thing that I might have
further comments on would be the drainage system. We have a
full underground drainage system, which will collect all of
the water from the east of us and the water from on -site will
also dump into that system. There will be some surface drainage
that will be collected on -site. There will be a secondary sys-
tem. But the majority of the drainage will go directly into
the underground system, which will connect with the existing
system on Aroma Drive.
Are there any questions?
Shearer: Are there any questions at this time? I have
one, Mr. Smith. In your profession, the type
of complex here, the size,the number of units,
number of bedrooms, and so forth, do you consider the 800 to
1,0.00 square foot tot lot and the approximate'750 square foot
swimming pool, in addition to the open space that is provided,
do you consider that standard in the types of projecLs,-:.the
cross-section of projects, that you have been involved with
for family type apartments?
Smith:
is basically a
and...
I would say in terms of the open space and
the tot lot, that it is standard or above
standard. In terms of the pool, the pool
requirement passed on by the Planning Commission,
Shearer:
fessionally been
Smith:
That wasn't my question. My question was, is
the size of the pool consistent on this pro-
ject with similar projects that you have pro -
involved with.
I would say that it is on the small side.
Shearer: On the small side. Thank you. Anyone else
wishing to testify in favor of the project
before us this evening?
Mr. L. Brutoco Good evening. I am Louis Brutoco, the owner
Brutoco Develop- of the land, who has entered into an agreement
ment Corporation with Shapell Housing to build this project.
I would like to specifically comment on the
removal of parkland, which was brought up at prior hearings.
It is referred to as the baseball diamonds. It is not true
that the baseball field is being removed or anything else
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or parkland being diminished. For the last 20 years, we have
• made available to the'City of West Covina and the residents
of this area the free use of the property for recreation,
the'Rocket Society, horseback riding, Cub, and Boy Scout Camps,
baseball and numerous other recreational projects. There was
an urgent need when the San Jose school cancelled the Little
League permit to play baseball on the school ground. The
parents and the members and friends of theleague built a
temporary baseball diamond on our property. It was never
considered a permanent baseball facility. From the very
beginning, the use of that property was limited`at our
discretion until it was deeded. Yes, we deeded 3.4 acres,
but besides that, we deeded many, many more. We have dedi-
cated more than 45 acres of land for park purposes out of a
plan development of 1,91 acres. In.1964, 32.86 acres were
dedicated. In 1970, 3.4 acres were dedicated. The last
dedication was February, 1976, of 9.66 acres, making a
total of 45.9 acres of property, which is over 24% of the
original 191 acres.".that we had underdevelopment.
Eighty-one units on the 6.11 acres of land,
as Shapell Government Housing has proposed, is a fine develop-
raent, and will be beneficial to the City of West Covina and
its residents. With the approval of the City Council, this
fine project will begin and bring a benefit for many years
to come
If ,yOtc=have .any questions, I would be happy
to answer them.
Shearer: Are there any questions of Mr. Brutoco?
(None indicated.) Thank you, Louis.
Anyone else wishing to testify in support
of the project before us this evening.? If not, we will close
that portion. Anyone here this evening wishing to testify in
opposition to the project? Please come forward.
P bl-ic Tes r::i ao_r,,,
In Opposition:
Michael. Jenkins I have been retained by and am here
333 South Hope St. tonight representing a group of resi-
Los Angeles, CA dents of the City of West Covina
called Act III, a group who has organ-
ized in order to be 'involved with and
to assure the future development of
the Aroma Drive area consistent both with the character
of the neighborhood and with the environment.
Inasmuch as I am speaking in a repre-
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sentative capacity, I would like at this time to request a few
• more than the three minutes allotted to me. I assure you I
won't talk your ears off.
Shearer: What is "a few"?
Jenkins: A few is - how about no: -more than ten minutes.
Shearer: Fine.
Jenkins.: Thank you. I would now like to briefly summar-
ize and present to the Council some of the
major concerns and problems 'which my clients,
other residents of the area, have with respect to the proposed
development and which I believe should be brought to the Council's
attention as it considers the precise plan.
First, and one of the more. -important areas I
would like to raise, is the question of the proximity of this
apartment complex to the B.K.K. dump site, and the potential
health hazards which could arise as a result. There has not
been a single document which has demonstrated that there are
• no.health hazards connected with the residential development
of the area surrounding the dump site. Certainly the E.I.R.
which was prepared for this particular project did not address
that issue, and to my -knowledge there is no document which
discusses that particular concern. It seems to me, and it
seems to many residents in the area who already find them-
selves living in an area in which there is a potential health
hazard, that the placement of new development, the approval
of new development with the possibility of placing future
residents in a possible health hazard zone is both incautious
and unreasonable. Moreover, it seems to us a rather synical
approach to the placement of low and moderate income housing
in both this community and any community to place that type
of housing in such proximity to potential health hazards.
Now, there has been, as you all well know, State law inacted
with respect to areas surrounding toxic dump sites. And,
that law, as the City Attorney has no doubt opined, does
not preclude this Council from moving ahead with development
approval. However, this Council clearly does have the power,
and may clearly exercise the power, to not grant approvals
for new development projects in this area until it has been
conclusively established that two years, three years, four
years down the road there will not arise a significant health
• hazard which will require removal of people from this area.
And, I would also like to point out in this connection before
I move on to my next point, that the Department of Housing
and Urban Development and their Environmental Section has
not yet approved this project, and it is still studying the
environmental consequences of placing this project in such
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proximity to the dump site.
The next point th
the density question, which has ar
General Plan for. :the "'City calls fo
15 units per acre. The zoning is
been all along our contention that
with the General Plan and should b
development approvals so that the
consistency with the General Plan,
larger, developmental goal of this
B91t, beyond that
doesn't seem reasonable in calcula
site to include unuseable land, hi
in calculating the amount of acrea
development. If one deducts the e
the hillside areas which cannot be
slightly under 4 acres left to bui
of the apartments, which are on th
flat land, e-ceeds the 15 units pe
It is for that reason that we have
issue and raise it again.
March 9, 1981
t I would like to discuss is
sen a number of times. The
a density of this area of
0 units per acre. It has
the zoning is inconsistent
revised prior to any
oning is brought into
which does present the
rea .
at'ner technical point, it
ing the density of this
lside areas and easements
e which is useable for
sements and if one deducts
built Ripon, there is
d upon. And, the density
se less than 4 acres of
acre of the General Plan.
been raising the density
Now, the Environmental Impact Report, we have
contended before the Planning Commission and will contend again
here, is not adequate. It is concl�sory in approach, does not
specifically discuss mitigation rpea�ures for the impacts which
have been raised. Some of these impacts will be discussed by
a number of other people, and I will not go into them in any
greater detail with the exception o the traffic and recrea-
tion questions.
As far as recreatign is concerned, we quite
agree - the pool is too small. The pool was put into the project
'by the Planning Commaission after the Commission unanimously con-
cluded that a swimmingpool is apprdpriate for this type of
development in the.Cit_y. This pool is not responsive to that
need. It is a joke, basically, and will not satisfy the recrea-
tional needs of the residents of this proposed project. We
would suggest that the plan be taker back and revised so that
a pool which is adequate can be plaged in there.
In addition, we wound request that the precise
plan include conditions establishing time tables for the con-
struction of the pool. during the course of the construction of
the project so that the apartments are not constructed and then
the developer would come back and request a modification of the
precise.plan to delete the pool, which he is entitled to do
under the Zoning Ordinance.
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• In that connectio
table for construction of.the reta
which is to be constructed on the
of*the property to separate the pr
residences so as to reduce noise.
•
As far as traffic
are concerned about the placement
the entrance of Galster Park and C
street connecting Alpine Drive wit
traffic problem has not really bee
And, moreover, we quite agree with
regarding the placement of guest p
is located at the far back to the
Not only is it going to be very di
the project, but human nature tell
a blockade is going to park on Aro
street which is in the area, and w
a .guest manages to get by the nume
by the developer of this project,
mobile into the project, human nat
park nearest to where they are goi
person they are visiting,) and not
way to the back of the project and
This plan is simply unreasonable i
be revised to show guest parking s
gate towards the front of the proj
off the street and walk into the p
project and then park in resident
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1, we would also ask for a time
_ping wall, the masonry wall
:rest of the hill to the north
>perty from the single family
and parking is concerned, we
f the project driveway at
nnection 5, the approved
Aroma Drive. This potential
addressed or mitigated.
some of the concerns raised
eking. The guest parking
ear of the apartment project.
ficult for people to get into
us that the person who finds
a Drive, or any other surface
lk into the project. And, if
ous hurdles put in their path
nd manages to get their auto -
re tells us that they will
g (to the apartment of the
rive their car all of the
then park and get out.
that respect and should
aces outside the security
ct so that the guests park
oject, and not get into the
arking spaces.
I am speaking faster than normal, and I am
almost done, and I ha-ren L even used all of my ten minutes.
Shearer: Not quite.
Jenkins: Right. I am not oing to discuss this final
issue in too much detail, but I know that a
number of the residents are concerned as
citizens and taxpayers of the City of West Covina that there
will be government funding on this project, both from the
point of::vie:w-_`of the federal government and the City govern-
ment possibly in the use of block rant funds. The residents
are concerned'about the price or t e value of the property as
it compares with comparable property sold in the area. This
is a concern I think they will perhaps want to get into more.
But, it is a concern and although Staff has indicated that it
is not a concern that is involved with the precise plan or
the E.I.R., it is certainly something to take into consideration
if the price of the property is inflated (it is too high), and
if the result is an excessive expenditure of the public money.
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Ire conclusion, I would ask on behalf of the
many residents of West Covina who are seriously concerned about
both this development and any other development in this
vicinity, that the Council take into consideration these
concerns, look carefully at the E.I.R., and at the other
deficiencies that have been raised and will be raised, and
consider sending this back to the Planning Commission for
the kind of revision that it really requires, or simply denying
the precise plan and the E.I.R.
If you have any questions, I would be happy
to answer them.
Shearer: Any questions of Mr. Jenkins? (None indicated.)
None at this time, thank you. You had about
a minute to go.
This gentleman... I didn't see the lady on the
aisle, so she will ,be next.
Ken Camerella I don't think I will take more than three minutes.
214.4 Kings Crest I might. There are just three items I_ am going
West Covina, CA to address myself to.
I would like to discuss some of the concerns
that I have regarding Precise Plan No. 746 with the inL-ention
that the City Council will deny approval of that plan because
of,the following reasons.
What was once a beautiful land preserve for the
City of West Covina is fast becoming a high density subdivision
accompanied by all of the more negative aspects usually associ-
ated with high density housing. Specifically, number one, the
aesthetic decline in the park. There is no question that a
sericus, demonstrable negative aesthetic effect has already
occurred regarding Galster Wildnerness Park. The intersection.
of Azusa and Aroma Drive no longer resembles the entrance to
a wilderness park. Instead, there are now developments on both
sides of Azusa, traffic lights, and, of course, a dump located
just to the south of'the park. Not only does the dump add
traffic of a very hazardous and serious nature, it also spoils
the aesthetics of being in a park because the park smells like
a dump. To include more negative aesthetic effects by approving
Precise Plan No. 746, with its subsequent high density dwellings,
noise, traffic, and parking just adiacent to the park, would
compound the already serious aesthetic danger to the Galster
area.
To abandon the upper ballfield and sell it to
a developer would further aggravate the situation.
Number two, substantial population growth and
increase of traffic. Already the strains of over-populationn
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iand traffic congestion are beginning to surface at the intersec-
tion of Azusa'and Aroma Drive. I drive through this intersection
on my way to work each morning and I see traffic moving at 50 to
60 miles per hour. The speed limit is 50, but they drive 50 to
60 miles per hour past children standing at the corner. In
addition,, the lights don't stop vehicles moving at that speed
'when they turn amber. Most cars accelerate through the light
changes, especially from the downhill side, rather than brake
suddenly. This intersection has suddenly become one of the
most dangerous in the City. Since Aroma and Granoval, the
street directly to the west of Aroma Drive, can only_exit�to
Azusa, more high density units at Aroma will cause substantial
problems between vehicle and vehicle, and vehicle and children.
It can only increase an already dangerous situation if Precise
Plan No. 746 is approved.
And, my last point, the proximity to the dump.
Now, this, I feel, is the most important, and I want the Council
members to consider what I have to say very carefully, and think
of the long range aspec s of what I have to say. Why should the
City Council take the chance that no adverse biological effects
will take place as a result of leakage of toxic wastes from the
B.K.K. Landfill. We all know that the dump is situated to the
south and above the proposed plan. Who is to say that an earth-
quake won't allow these wastes to flow and contaminate the
entire area in four directions, including the proposed site.
Does the Council want to be held responsible for making a
decision now that is frought with all kinds of adverse possi-
bilities and could effect the population in -:much the same way
as happened at Love Canal? You can't be expected to predict
what might really happen, but if the possibility does exist,
shouldn't a course of action that protects the citizens of
West Covina be the smart choice?
Precise Plan No. 746 has far too many strikes
against it from the beginning for an enlightened Council to
give its approval to such an undertaking. Thank you.
Shearer: The lady down here.
Karen Camsdaren On behalf of Congressman Drier, I am here to
District Rep. urge that until such time as a new Environ-
Cong. D. Drier mental Impact Report is prepared by a pro-
fessional consultant which properly addresses
i the potential significant impacts in greater
detail in compliance with the City's E.I.R.
guidelines contained in Resolution No. 5423, that you hold
in abeyance any final decision with respect to further building
in any location in and around the landfill site. While the
Congressman lauds the efforts of the City Council in attempting
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to resolve this difficult overall issue of the B.K.K.' Landfill
site, his recommendation supports that held not only by the
Act III group, but other concerned citizens groups, and is
entirely consistent with the position he ha.s held all along,
that is, the landfill should be closed to all dumping of Level I
toxic and hazardous waste, inasmuch as these wastes represent a
threatto the physical well-being of the surrounding citizenry.
Now, with respect to what the Congressman is
doing with specificity with regard to the HUD matter, we are
presently researching it in detail in Washington, and we are
holding discussions with various HUD officials.
In addition, we are looking at different
prospects of federal legislation in order to prevent future
problems with hazardous waste dumping by considering the
following three possibilities: (1) Tax incentives for the
detoxification at the production point; (2) shipped contain-
ment; and (3) the possibility for alternative siting for
disposal of these Level I wastes.
In conclusion, it is hoped that ultimately
the City Council will address this matter with great care.
Thank you very much.
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to testify in opposition
to the matter before us?
Richard Callahan I speak in opposition to Precise Plan No. 746.
2115 Aroma Drive This plan would introduce an estimated 200 plus
West Covina, CA children to approximately 3-1/2 to 4 actual
acres of flat land. The existing condominium
development to .the north and west has approxi-
marely 25 to 30 children on approximately 7 acres of flat land.
Eac'uz of the existing three condominium developments in the
neighborhood (the one that is occupied and the two that are
being constructed) were designed as open type developments.
I- would require an excessive amount of money to enclose these
de,;.,elopments, as was required at Aspen Village. To illustrate,
one of the problems is that one of the most direct routes for
tl:zis nu«iber of children to Hollencrest or Vine School is
through our development and up the hillside. The cost to us
for maintenance, repair and replacement can easily run into
many -thousands of dollars every year. The existing develop-
mets in this neighborhood are all of the open design. This
was a very nice feature when we were buying, but, as was proven
at Aspen Village, it is an easily abused feature by people who
contribute only damage by their trespass. Approximately 320
units are being built in the neighborhood currently. They :will
probably add approximately 70 more children.
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The City is on record for abandonment of the
only recreational facility in the neighborhood so that Aroma
Gardens may be built. Since there would be no satisfactory
recreational facilities for the 30 existing and 70 anticipated
youths, there'is even less logic in authorizing construction
of a development that would bring triple that number to a
smaller area. One solution would be a reduction in the number
of units from 81 to approximately 40. Even better would be
the development of the land as a City park for the existing
four developments and the San Jose Hills development.
The vandalism that can be anticipated at
Galster Park would dwarf the $44,000.00 estimate that is
needed to reopen the park. Our expenses have only begun.
The E.I.R. never approached the cost of vandalism that
could be caused by the residents of government subsidized
low income housing.
Supervision of these youths will probably be
nonexistent. The City and County of Los Angeles recently
recommended the closing of Nickerson Gardens projects. Must
West Covina make the same mistakes, or can we learn from the
other people's mistakes?
Dr. Tennant is a resident of Aspen Village
condominiums. He can tell you the horror stories that forced
the citizens to.bear the expense to enclose their community.
The E.I.R. should review and develop mitigating
measures. I am sure that an outside firm of environmental con-
sultants would be knowledgable and experienced in this concern.
The Staff should remember the concerns of Woodside Village and
Hearthstone residents expressed when the owner of the land at
Nogales and Amar proposed apartments You ignored their pleas
and -approved the precise plan. Only when they took court
action did the developer reconsider. Canyon Crest condominiums
are the result. Condominiums do not cause the problems associ-
ated with apartments. The E.I.R. is deficient in numerous areas.
You should return it to the Planning Commission and order it
redone by a professional firm experienced with the differences
between apartments and condominiums.
I request a vote against Precise Plan No. 746
until after a proper E.I.R. has been published and diseminated
to the public for review. The public should have a chance to
fully understand all that is involved. Thank you.
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Shearer: I would like to make one comment, Mr. Callahan.
The abandoned ballfield is not included in
this proiect. So, the statement that this was
done to enable this project to be built is incorrect. Anyone
else wishing to testify in opposition?
Derek Aubrey I back tip Mr. Callahan's talk there on the
2167 Aroma Dr. Section 8 housing. I feel it is a very
West Covina, CA integral part of this whole project. It
should be addressed as it is since it will
affect the surroundings, definitely in a
possible and historical rise in crime level, property damage
and vandalism, property devaluation, grafetti, noise and
traffic level, nuisance, and police and fire activity. I
request that a study be done by the City Council on the impact
of such. housing, realizing that approval of such a project
in this City and its likely negative impact will be on the
Council's conscience, the police and fire service's shoulders,
and our property and pocketbook, and its finger in :..he public
funds. I recommend you consult police files on similar pro-
iects and the areas around such projects in pu)lic and busi-
ness.
Realize that this is not simply a building
group, but this is a threat to peace and harmony in our area
and in West Covina. Benefits, if any, derived from this
project will be far offset by the support costs involved at
a later date.
I recommend (1) at least make the recorimiended
survey, and (2) delay such a decision until information is
available, or (3) cancel the whole works. Thank vou.
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to testify in opposition?
Pat McGrath I would like to address the Council with regard
2133 Aroma Dr. to the 81'-,unit apartment complex to be consid-
West Covina, CA ered for development on Aroma Drive north of
G&later Wilderness Park. I am a social worker
for Los Angeles County, and for nine years
worked in the Pasadena area. My expertise is working with
children in need of.protective services. During the years
ghat., I have worked in Pasadena, I know that I have probably
been in more low cost or subsidized housing than the average
homeowner. This may not make me an expert, but I do have
some personal concerns in regard to this kind of development
being considered for property next to where I live.
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It ha.s been my observation when large apartment complexes, any-
where from 50 to 75 units or more, or a housing development
such as Kings Manor at Washington and Fairoaks in Pasadena,
have large numbers of people either receiving welfare or living
on marginally low incomes, that the whole atmosphere of the
living goes down. During this time that I was in Pasadena,
Kings Manor complex had to be completely redone because of
the destruction and defacement of the property. The buildings
had broken windows; the carports had holes in the walls; the
grass died; the plants disappeared; cars were derelict in the
carports. Along with the gradual decline of the property,
was a decline in the attitude of the people living there.
There was a feeling of being trapped, and each family sup-
porting the next in the hopelessness and depression that
occurred. With this comes -drugs, liquor and violence. Boys
Market built a beautiful new grocery store in 1977, right
across from the project. Three years later, as you may have
observed in the newspaper, it closed because of the crime
on its property. Purse snatchings, stabbings of customers,
and hold-ups at the store itself occurred. This store was
right across the street. We have a new market going in not
too far from where this project is going to be built.
Friends of mine in the Pasadena Police Depart-
ment say that a large percentage of their manpower is spent
attending to the families in low cost housing. They say that
with these families comes an increased need not only for
police protection to the immediate residents, but to the areas
surrounding the sites because of the burglaries and physical
accosting of the people.
With this also comes higher costs for fire
protection and increased health costs. I hope that as a City
Council, you are taking these costs into consideration and
anticipating them in your future budgets.
I know that cities look favorably on these
kinds of projects because of the federal money involved.
However, long after the federal money is spent, the cost to
the community goes on and on. If this project becomes
reality, I hope that the City is planning on increased fire
and police patrol units for our area as we.'will all be
vulnerable to theft during the hours that we are at work,
and when no one is at home to protect our property.
I would suggest three items for the City
Council to consider before making a decision as to whether
it is advisable to approve this 81-unit complex or not.
One, recognizing the need that low income families have
to have a decent.place to live, setting up a subsidized
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• housing practice, whereby renterswill locate their own housing
and the Citv directl': pays the costs. This is a practice used
in Pasadena that works very well because the families are then
not ,concentrated in one area, but a�~e distri�uted tl�rougnout
the whole City.
Two, if the complex i_s.approved, consider it
for senior citizens housing. I went to a hearing in these very
chambers in October, 1980, given by the U.S. House of Representa-
tives Subcommittee on Human Services, Select Committee on Aging,
and.one fact stood out to me - 10% of West Covina's populateion
is 60 years and over, and West Covina only has one building for
senior citizens, which took three years in the 'building. For
that building there was at that time a waiting list of 300
persons. That would more than fill this 81-unit complex that
is proposed. Also, in this area, 40% of the seniors live in
rentals, which means that a high percentage of their income
goes to rent. This kind of building would be a bless_ -fig to
them.
And, thirdly, and most important, please talk
with the Pasadena City Council. Talk to their Police Depar--
ment and their Fire Department 'before making your decision.
I know that they can give you the pluses and the minuses
regarding a project of this kind. Thank you.
Shearer: Before we proceed any further, I have been
debating whether to say this or not, but now
I want to advise that the City Attorney has
indicated to us, as some of you are already aware, that the
matter before us this evening is that of the precise plan.
It is very difficult, I recognize, to separate that issue from
the question of HUD.and housing, and so forth. I would
encourage those who testify to try to emphasize if you feel_
that the project plan is.not a good one; to emphasize the
aspects of plan, not the quality of the people who will live
there. That does present this Council with a problem. We
will let it go at that. It is really not an issue the West
Covina City Council can address, but it will be an issue that
Congressman Drier can address. It is not an issue that the
five of us can address. We do not make the rules with regard
to federal agencies, and our review and control is on the
precise plan itself with issues such as parking, landscaping,
and so forth. So,.I would trust that we will not have nuch
more testimony with regard to the question of the financing
or the funding because if we do, the Chair may have to rule
that testi.monv out of order in the best interest of proceeding
in a reasonable manner.
Tennant: Mayor, perhaps there is another thing that.
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• you could clarify. I heard a couple of comments that the City
of West Covina was somehow funding this, or paid for something.
There were a couple of comments. That should perhaps be clari-
fied.
Shearer: Well, perhaps at this time we might address
that. There is no City money involved in this
project. I am not aware of where the money is
coming from. It is not the government's concern, and I think
that was demonstrated by our last election in November, that
less involvement by government in private enterprise is the
will of the people. I don't know where the money is coming
from. I am not asking the developers to tell me either because
it is not germain to -the item before us this evening. But, I
can assure you that there is no money cording from the City or
through the City. Is that...
Tennant: Yes, that is enough.
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to testify in opposition
to the project?
• McCracken I would like to address the Council un the
2136 Kings Crest general unhealthy conditions that will develop
West Covina, CA for the residents of the 81 apartments to be
built on the former Little League ball diamond.
B.K.K. toxic liquid waste dump,is_ in -the -hills
above Precise Plan 746. The 81-unit apartments will be less
than 1,000 feet away from the dump, and about 500 feet below
it. This site is a valley inviting a disaster. All that is
needed 'ar.e 'people, time and the right conditions. The California
legislature recognized the danger of allowing developments near
a Class I hazardous waste disposal site last September, and
passed a law forbidding development within 2,000 yards. Through
a matter of semantics, this Council has been able to rationalize
this law as not applying to the B.K.K. dump and the 81 family
apartments to be built in this little valley. The liquid toxic
wastes being dumped in the hills above this valley are not going
to stay up there in the hills. Liquids do not stay in hills;
they run and seep into lower levels. Eventually, they arrive
at sea level. A long time before they get to sea level, the
toxic wastes above these 81 apartments are going to find their
way to the level of this valley. It puzzles me how arty sensible
person can say these liquid toxic wastes will have no effect on
the people in the valley. The B.K.K, people say that there is
no danger of this happening because the soil is leak -proof.. If
the soil is leak -proof, then why are their no ponds or lakes up
there. When I walked the area after the rains last year, I
couldn't even find a puddle. Where did the water go? It
drained into the ground leaching out the toxic liquids that
are there to settle in the surrounding lower areas. It came
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out in springs and it drained off into the valley. A lot of the
residue is probably in this little valley right now. And, year
after year, it is going to build up. It might Lake twenty years,
just like it did at Love Canal. Love Canal was supposed to have
a safe place to dump toxic waste. Highly paid experts said so.
Ever_ the local government said so.
A few months ago, B.K.K. hired some highly paid
experts who stated that there was no problem with the poisons
from the dump affecting any of the people who lived nearby. _This
is exactly what you would expect of.a highly paid expert. The
people who live around the dump say otherwise. Their doctors
say the wastes are poisonness and may be contributing to some
of their ailments. I need not/go into the hell that has been
raised about the odors from the dump. I do not think much
credence should be given to self-serving reports financed by
B.'K.K. The point is, there are odors, and lots of them.
They are from the dump. They will continue to come from the
dump for the next twenty or thirty years. These are toxic
odors. They emanate from toxic liquid wastes that evaporate.
They are then toxic gases. You would not allow anyone 'co
drink the liquid being dumped, yet there seems to be very
little empathy from this body for those who will be and are
being forced to breathe these toxic wastes every day.
This development is a gamble with the lives
of 81 families that need not be taken. There are hundreds of
other areas in this City that could serve the same purpose
for these 81 families that would be safe for the life of the
building project. It puzzles me why this body would even
consider, let alone go to bat for he'developer who wants
to stick 81 families in a hole with.a toxic waste dump up
above. To participate in the development of an 81-unit comiplex
where there is a strong likelihood of toxic liquids and gases
affecting these families adversely borders on the criminal.
Yet, that is exactly what this body is doing.
The City of Montebello is currently having_a
problem with their dump giving off potentially explosive methane
gases. The B.K.K. dump also gives off these same methanegases,
as well as other gases that Montebello does not have to contend
with. Methane gas could easily come downhill above the 81
apartments...
Shearer: how much more time do you think you will need?
You have extended your three minutes and beyond.
McCracken: Have I had my three minutes?
Shearer:
Well
beyond three
-minutes.
McCracken:
Okay.
I will take
just.another half a second.
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The methane gases could easily come down the
hill above the 81 apartments into the valley some night or day
when the atmospheric conditions there are just right and kill
or disable many of the people in the complex. Some people may
call this an act of God. I would call it an act of stupidity
on the part of the City Council of West Covina for letting
people live where this can happen. Thank you.
Tice: I have a question for Mr. McCracken, if I may.
Shearer: Councilman Tice.
Tice: Mr. McCracken, did you attend any of the public
hearings concerned with the condominium project
south of Aroma Drive?
McCracken: I never knew they were going to build one.
W. Whisenhunt, Jr. I am a voter and a taxpayer in the City.
Kings Crest Dr. I am opposed to Precise Plan No. 746 for
West Covina, CA the following reasons:
With the assistance of Mr. Miller, I also have
brought some slides in hopes of giving you a different perspec-
tive. However, before I start, I mould like to say that I am
here on behalf of members represented by an --organization called
Act III, aroused citizens troubled by a number of issues. Also,
I represent concerned homeowners on Kings Crest Drive.. Now-, as
you know, this is a free speech forum. I do not anticipate that
any comments made here this evening on a philosophical issue
will be attributable to me, nor would I expect you to take any
statement that I make and attribute it to.Congressman Drier.
His representative was present tonight. I think she sufficiently
stated Drier's position on these issues, and I don't think that
any of my statements, or anyone else's statements, should also
be attributed to the Congressman.
With that, I would like to start with my slide
presentation. I anticipate that I will take more than three
minutes, and with your indulgence, I will try to move quickly
through these.
Shearer: How much time do you think you will need, Mr.
Whisenhunt?
Whisenhunt: I would ask for ten minutes
Shearer: (After polling the Council.) Alright ten minutes.
Whisenhunt: Thank you. What this represents is a sketch
pretty much to scale of the proposed project,
with the assistance of Mr. Tom Walsh, who will
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designate the area. Tom will run the outline and show the hill-
side overlay. The upper righthand corner is the area that
borders the single family residences, and then along the condo
minium site to the lower baseball diamond. Immediately to the
right is the existing abandoned baseball diamond, and immedi-
ately to the bottom would be the border with the B.K.K....
I am sorry, that is the border of the Galster Park leading
up to the border of the B.K.K. site. This particular project
site has been recomputed. It was recomputed in light of sub-
tracting the hillside overlay as well as the unuseable slope,
as well as taking away the easement (where the pointer is now),
as well as the fire easement all of the way from that point
down to Aroma Drive. The subtraction.of all of these ease-
ments, hillside overlay as well as the slope area, computes
to approximately 3.85 acres. Putting 81 unit-ssinto that 3.85
acres comes out to a density of approximately 40 units per
acre, which far exceeds the allowable zoning. In addition to
that, HUD is going to spend $1.2 million for this property,
where comparables by City fact show that 5.8 acres...
Shearer: Excuse me, Mr. Whisenhunt, I don't want to
interrupt into your time, but I don't want
to let it go. What was the acreage that
that you came up with?
•
you said using your calculations
Whisenhunt: 3.85.
Shearer: 3.85?
Whisenhunt:
Yes, sir.
Shearer:
And, what
was the density
you said you
calculated?
Whisenhunt:
I believe
that comes out
to something
like about
40 units per acre. I am
sorry, it is
probably
closer to
something like
about twenty.
.Twenty
plus.
Shearer:
Thank you.
I just wanted
to make sure
that I
heard you
correctly.
Whisenhunt: Thank you. I am thinking four acres. This
particular piece of property HUD is going to
pay $1.2 million for. A comparable piece of
property, which is all flat, consisting of 5.67 acres is going
to sell for $742,000.00. That is a considerable profit margin.
I am opposed on the basis that taxpayers money is going to be
used to offset this cost and underwrite the project. In addition
to that, I understand that there may be $100,000.00 of West
Covina Block Grant Funds that can be used to offset the developer's
purchase price for the.land.
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I am going to move along to the next slide.
This is.an aerial photograph of the surrounding area. To the
right side of the picture is the B.K.K. working face, and if
Tom will go along the borderline up to the side, the border of
B.K.K. extends a little further to the left, or to the north.
Now, the green area in the center is the Galster Wilderness
Park. Then, following down the green area toward the left,
you will see an area that is the site of the housing project.
That is within the 2,000 foot border zone of the B,K;K`.
hazardous waste disposal site. The other brown area that you
see in the foreground is other development that you can see
are leading right up to the perimeter adjacent to the B.K.K.
dump site.
The question was asked, "Did anyone oppose .
the construction of those units?". I concur with Mr. McCracken's
statement that I was never informed. I never knew of it. I
prefer to come home and watch television than be down here.
This is. the working face of the B.K.K. dump,
aerial view. To the left and up over the hill�and down the
other side would be the project site. This shows the ptoximity
of the working face of the dump with the proposed project.
Again, we have an aerial view showing the ball
di&(mond in the middle of the photograph. That is referred to as
the "upper ball diamond". The one to the right is the lower
ball diamond, as we commonly refer to it, and is the location
of the site.
This gives you a pretty good indication of some
of the traffic problems that you are going to have. Immediately
above Mr. Walsh's pointer shows the entrance to Galster Pars..
It also shows a very steep bend in the roadway. To dae, no
traffic surveys have been conducted to determine ,chat the total
traffic.. is. Tom is also going to show you where the alternate
5 proposed connector is going to be with the San Jose Hills area.
It will proceed up over the gully, to the left over the top of
the hill, approximately in that area, and connect up with
another street that will join Alpine. Between where the top
street is (where the little red roofs are of the houses),
through the gully, and down to approximately along that border-
line, will be 150 feet of fill. That gully is a natural drain-
age into the upper_ ball diamond, leading down and across the
• lower ball diamond. Where the pointer is will also be the
access route leading into the proposed project. You now have
the entrance to Galster Park, alternate 5, and the entrance
and exit to the housing project all coming in at exactly the
same point. That is immediately where the curve of the road
is, showing where the traffic coming from the San Jose Hills
project as well as going over to Nogales will be filtering
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Ift through the area. Again I mention, no traffic survey has been
conducted. There has been no mitigation of these particular
traffic issues. On this basis alone, the project should be
sent back for further evaluation. It really should be denied
just on the traffic issues.
Okay. This will show the bottom corner of
Galster Park. To the left you will see a roadway. I believe
that is Aroma Drive leading into the condominium area up
above on the hill. It connects into alternate 5, and leads
up to an unnamed street. That will be on 150 feet of fill
above the project. It will then lead into Alpine and over
to other proposed roadways to service the 625 homes of the
San. Jose Hills project.
This is again an aerial view. I hope you don't
get too dizzy. This is a better view showing the entry way
into the Galster Park area. It also shows the easement leading
up to the baseball diamond, around to the shack, and up to the
upper diamond. It also shows where the entry way will be to
the proposed project. It also shows a very tight bend in the
road. The traffic coming down is going to intersect with
• alternate 5, Galster Park, as well as the proposed project.
You will note, too, at the bottom left hand
corner, about the middle of the screen, a driveway. That is
the entry into the existing condominiums that are in the pre-
paration of being erected. So, within.a very short distance,
you are going to have an entry -exit to the condominium complex
immediately across the street, the entry and exit to the
Galster Wood development now in existence, and immediately
adjacent to that you are going to have a row of garages and
an exit or entry way immediately opposite the driveway of the
existing project. All within 100 feet, you are going to have
three, four, five, or maybe six driveways by a bend in the
road. Again, this shows a complete lack of planning and
consideration of the traffic issues here.
This is a floor plan, if you will, of the
proposed project. The upper left hand corner shows the open
area, the guest parking all of the way into the back, garages
running along the north side all of the way down from the
driveway. That driveway will exit immediately across from
the entry -exit of the project across the street as well as
Galster Wood driveway entry and exit. :That project driveway
then runs totally around the project and comes back out.
Guest parking is in the back. You are going
to have a problem with 300 plus kids who will be living in
this project. You are going to have cars driving back and
forth across them.
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I see people turning around when I say 300 kids.
West Covina does not have a people density code, so as long as
you have a family, that entire family is eligible to live within
the residence. So, you cannot say that you are going to limit
crze bedroom to two people. You could have whatever the family
presents. So, you could have as many as 300 children living
here, running back and forth in front of these vehicles that
have to drive all of the 'way to the.back. The project for
visiZ-_or parking is poorly planned. I think that has already
been Drought out once.
Okay. This is another view. I told you that
I was going to show you the winding roadway. This is Arozna
Drive leading all of the 'way up to the top, and turning right
at the top and going all of the 'way over, cuts to the left,
and over the top. Now, we have our water drain to the roadway.
That is going to make a nice waterfall in heavy rain. That
water running down the roadway is going to run immediately
into those project sites unless you have sufficient drainage
and the drainage is adequate. The dater that overruns i:he
project site is going to spill into the Galster Wood project
site. That is going to cause a tremendous water inundation
problem. The ground in the area, prior to this, used to
absorb the water. It used to run through natural channels
and it has all been changed. Hopefully, we have planned for
the proper drainage. I don't see that it has been properly
planned for, as I see there is also an issue existing with
the traffic flow.
This is a view of the project site showing
basically the area facing Aroma. It shows the driveway
i:lmediately across from the entrance and exit -of the proposed
project, with the other three roads immediately to the left;
all coming together at the bend of the road. I keep bringing
this up because nobody ever considered it. _It wasn't properly
mitigated. We are going to have a tremendous_a.mount of
traffic impact.in that area, and I draw a ttention to the
children in this particular area as well as the surrounding
environment.
Okay. Now, I have put this one back in to
show you some drainage: To the left where it looks like the
street dead ends at the top, there is a natural drainage
flow coming down gnat particular area. Also, the hill slope
leads down to 'the :_:.all park area. Immediately to the +-eft
of the little white spot, there is another
gully. That gully
empties directly unto the project site. There is going to be
a tremendous water floc, coming unto this area. We have
already had erosion. Galster Wood apartments have bordered
on suffering a tremendous amount of water and like damage
from the breakaway of mud from the improper fill on the upper
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ball diamond. The City, as well as others, have gotten in there
and attempted to correct that particular issue, but you still
have the drainage problem, and the issue of 150,feet of fill
at this particular location.
This is another photograph that shows the
working face of the B.K.K. dump. The top of the photograph
shows just about where the boundry is. It shows Galster Park.
It shows the project site immediately at the bottom. You can
see how the natural drainage and flow of the hills go right
down and appears to empty into the face of the project site.
So, regardless of what they do to the left hand side, where
the upper baseball diamond is, you are still going to have
the problem with the water flow from the other side, as well
as the water flow unto the street (you can see how the road
bends) leading immediately into the project site.
This is a contour map that merely restates what
I previously stated about the contour lines and the floe of the
water. I am sorry there is insufficient clarity to the photo-
graph, but I think I have already covered it.
With that, I would like to say that West Covina
is a beautiful place to live. All of us would like to stay here
and enjoy this beautiful environment, and we would like to keep
it close to that.
I have one or two other photographs that I will
run through briefly. This shows the gully to the left, where
the water drains down to the upper'ball diamond, and then down
to the lower ball diamond. It also shows, as you can see,
people using the park. This is a Saturday. There are qui-;=e a
number of people up there on weekends enjoying the environment.
Again the road. It shows the area that would be
the back. It shows the easement leading to the back area of the
ball diamond. And, I understand the reason that that particular
hall diamond was abandoned was because it was unuseable because
of this project being built there. It seems to me that it would
only be appropriate that the individual who owns that particular
piece of property in the front, would also add to it the piece
of property in the back,'.'s Tice the argument that I heard on
the abandonment issuesdealt primarily with access to the back
ball diamond::.
M This area was flooded two g
ears ago.
Y
This is an easement along the wall. It also
shows where the water flooded through. This particular area
here was filled with mud, silt and other debris.
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'Again, you can see that there has been some
movement of dirt unto the area. You can see the fresh tracks.
Somebody has been there. It is not land in an untilled state,
as previously represented. People have been on the property
and have been moving and grading.
This document, which is a very poor document,
is from HUD, signed by one of their environmental specialists,
and says that a hold has been put on this project until the
Environmental Protection Agency has conducted a study on the
impact of the B.K.K, hazardous landfill on a governmental pro-
ject. My conversation with the environmental specialist
is that that particular study will not be ready for over two
or three weeks at the earliest, and may well be longer. There
has been a tremendous congressional input into this, inquiry.
Priority has been assigned. I would like the opportunity to
continue whatever the final determination of the Council may
be tonight until we can affect our rights under the freedom
of information in order to find out exactly what the E.P.A.
did, and what the final results were. The results of that
study could be used in consideration by the Council for ei_her
approving or disapproving this project.
And, in conclusion, West Covina is a beautiful
City, and we would like to keep it that way in the years to come.
Thank you.
Shearer: I just have one comment I would like to make
that addresses a couple of.comments that the
last two speakers have made with regard to
hearings. I am not disputing that_some people may or may not
have heard. It may have been when somebody moved into the
community, or so forth. I was on the Council, as was Mr.
Chappell, at the time that the first development on Aroma Drive,
other than Galster Park, was proposed. And, believe me, some-
body must have heard about the development because this chamber
must have had two, to L_hree, to four times as -many people in
it in opposition to the first condominium development, and many
of the points that are being made here were made at that time
in opposition to the very first one. So, there were plenty of
people aware of the first development. Do you recall that,
Councilman Chappell?
Chappell: Absolutely. I was.going to bring it up when I
had some comments to make.
Whisenhunt: Mayor Shearer, members of the Council, if I
could, I have a few other points I would like
to make. .
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Shearer: You have extended your time to almost twenty
• minutes. How much more time do you think you
need?
Whisenhunt: I hopefully won't go beyond another five, maybe
three.
Chappell: Is it anything we haven't heard before? Is
it new?
Whisenhunt: I would hope so.
Chappell: If we.haven't heard it before, Mayor, I am
willing to listen, but if it is something
we have heard before, I would like to say
that we have other people who want to speak.
Whisenhunt: How about if you have heard it before...
Shearer: We mean this evening. You have heard the
testimony. If it is new testimony, fine.
Whisenhunt: I will try to make it as pertinent as I can.
Most of these points I have covered, but this
is the time for the appeal to be heard, and I
would like the opportunity to give as much input as I can because
I can foresee a time when a proper record will be necessary at
some future judicial proceeding, if that becomes necessary.
Shearer: You don't need to argue that point now, go ahead.
Whisenhunt: Thank you very much.
Shearer: Go ahead with your testimony that is germane
to nonlegal minds. Our one attorney is sick
this evening, and the rest of us are not
attorneys.
Whisenhunt: I want to pass my condolences. I missed him.
I was hopeful that he would be here this evening.
He heard the first part of this while he was
sitting on the Planning Commission, and I would have liked to
have had him here to hear the end of this, hopefully. .
• Again, I just draw attention to the hillside
overlay that should be considered when calculating the number
of units per acre so as not to exceed the allowable density.
The issue with the dump under AB 2370, I would
at this time like to.ask the City Council to request of the City
Attorney to get an Attorney General's opinion as to the applic-
ability of AB 2370 to the project site and Precise Plan No. 746,
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whether or not that particular project, as well as any other
• project to be built within a 2,000 foot border zone of this
property is within the ambit of the law. If the law does
apply, then I think the necessary precautions should be had.
But, that should.be made pars_ of the Environmental Impact
Report because it is a very real and live issue. This statutory
law is in existence and the City Attorney could request from the
A.G. an opinion. And, I would request that the City Council
would ask for that. That would be to determine the environmental
impact on this proposed site within the ambiance of the active
legislation.
Also, I would like to make mention of the noise
factor.. Just to cover that briefly. There is going to be a
tremendous amount of noise. Some mitigating factors have been
permitted in the way of a block wall surrounding the upper land
area that borders it, but that does not take into consideration
those people who live in the Galster Park area, nor those who
live up on the Alpine area, nor those who will live in the
immediate future in the San Jose Hills project. I think that
noise mitigation should be considered in lighL. of the project.
California law does require that the Environmental Impact Report
consider not just the four corners of the project site, but how
it is going to impact on the environment, as far as traffic,
pollutants, and other types of things.
Also, I would like to just make a very quiclk
mention, and this is only to protect the record, as to Article
34 of the California State Constitution, as it applies to
refereidum,'prior to the'construction of Section 8 housing..
This would be applicable if the City has participated in some
way in helping to develop this. And; I would suggest at
this time that the City has become sufficiently intermingled
through Staff in the. development of this property, and that an
Article 34 referendum should be 'seriously considered. I bring
this up, as I said, to protect the record.
Also, a number of articles, one of 2/4/81,
in the Highlander points out that the .local .realtors state, and
I am quoting, "This is a healthy competitive situation
existing for apartment owners in the City of West Covina."
One of the issues in the mitigation is.that there is insuffi-
cient living environment, and I thinL that the news articles
tend to somewhat dispute that, although I have not personally
taken a count. We did _.have recently some other units built
which took as long as a year to fill up. There are units in
the immediate vicinity that are renting at rather low rents
that are yet to be filled up with residents in the area.
As far as the recreation, I just want to may{e
mention briefly of the basketball court that was proposed in
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• some of the early proposals. Some mention was made as to a "rec"
room. A basketball court is probably going to have a lot more
utility when you have kids in the environment, as opposed to a
"rec" room. We don't have that much of a rainy season here, so
it probably would serve a much better purpose.
Galster Wood has a pool pretty much the same
size as the pool proposed. That is the condominium project
immediately.adjacent to it. However, the children in that
area are about 15 to 20, as opposed to 200 to 300.kids, and
they are going to use...
Shearer: How many units are in Galster Wood?
Whisenhunt: I think there are 121.units there, and there are
about 15 kids. Most of the people who are living
there are working or traveling at any one
particular time.
The noise element. This is an amphitheater type
of environment. Our concern iswth the type of noise that is
going to be generated by music, car tuning, vehicular traffic,
motorcycles in the area, kids, as well as the air conditioning
and/,or heating units that may be placed on the tops and sides -of -
these units.
Also, there is the issue of aesthetics, -whether
or not looking down onto the roofs of these particular facilities
we are going to be burdened with the aesthetics, or lack of
aesthetics, because we are going to be looking down at equipment.
I haven't seen any rendering which determines whether or not we
going to have that problem.
Gentlemen, I. thank you very much for your time
and your patience. I would ask only that if the Council feels
at the conclusion of testimony tonight that there is a sufficient
basis to warrant further consideration, that it would consider
rejecting the project because of an improper Environmental Impact
Report, and sending it back for further Planning Commission
hearings, and waiting for the Environmental Protection Agency's
final report that we anticipate will be coming in two to three
weeks, and to consider that information in rendering a final
decision. Thank you very much.
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to testify in opposition?
Could I get an idea how many more people wish
to speak because we are going to need a recess.
I see one gentleman standing, and three more hands, so we are
going to declare a ten minute recess and then we will take up
at that time.
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• Shearer: We will reconvene the City Council. I don't
want to try to interfere with anyone's right
of expression. I know that there are still
a number of people who want to testify, and I would hope that
you will try to limit your testimony to items that have not
been raised before. I think we have heard a number of points,
and the fact that someone echoes the same thing I don't believe
lends any more credence as far as the Council is concerned. We
are here for the evening, so there is no problem with that, but
I would hope thatwetry:to not (as much as possible) repeat
things that have already been said. Mr. Brown, you may go ahead.
Royale Brown One of my neighbors cannot be here this evening,
2153 Aroma Drive and,he sent to me a copy of a letter that he
West Covina, CA sent to the City. I don't know if it has been
received by the City. I have a copy. It is a
letter from Mr. Jerry Achstatter, and I would
like for it to be entered into the record as a part of this
hearing. I don't know whether it should be read, or what would
be the procedure.
Shearer:
City Clerk for
Brown:
I guess that is up to you. It will be entered.
We have all received a copy and read it on the
Council. If you want, you can submit it to the
inclusion in the record.
Maybe that would shorten the Bearing.
Shearer: Alright. I will ask that the letter be written
into the record then. For those of you who are
wondering, we are having a verbatim transcript
of tonight's meeting. Mrs. Cedergreen, the young lady to my left
here, a former City employee who used to take our verbatim minutes
until we got out of that business and expense some time ago, is
now this evening... I believe she is a licensed Court Reporter,
are :you?
Cedergreen: No.
Shearer: But, she is the next thing to'it. She is very
competent and is taking a verbatim transcript
of this evening's testimony. .-
Brown: I would also like to enter into the record some
photographs of the historic flood that occurred
on this property. The Planning Commission saw
these in the form of slides. I would at this time like the Council
to see the historical record of what the drainage in the canyon
area has caused in the, past. The failure was on only one of the
two main canyons, and the other canyon, which goes through a City
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park, Galster Park, does cause a problem. Also, a potential same
• type of problem.
I would like to ask the Council to find out which
of you have read the E.I.R. 80-1.
Shearer: I don't think that is a valid question, but I'll
answer i;:. I have. In fact, I have two copies
here this evening. In case I didn't bring my own,
they have furnished me with another one.
(All of the other Councilmen indicated concurrence
with the affirmative reply of Mayor Shearer.)
Brown.: Are all of you also aware of the San Jose Hills
E.I.R. that was prepared over a year ago?
Shearer: Mr. Brown, this isn't the time to quiz the
Council. If you have testimony that you want
to give, go ahead with it, please. I don't
.think we are :on trial.
• Brown: I am trying to enter into the record the differ-
ence between the two E.I.R.'s. And, one of the
things is to make you aware of the things that
were presented in both of those documents. You gentlemen have
the duty this evening to judge the adequacies of the E.I.R.,
and that is what I am trying to enter into the record this evening,
is the arguments against the E.I.R.
The E.I.R. technically is approximately twenty
pages. Attached to it is a series of appendixes of several
hundred pages. Each time a hearing has been held, or a meeting
has been held about this, the Staff has presented a paper that
is a half dozen to a dozen or so pages long. In comparison to
a short E.I.R. of twenty pages to have an an -analysis almost
as long shows that there is an awful lot of missing information
in the E.I.R.
The E.I.R. omissions are such things as the
ground water situation, the spring that is on the site, no
traffic count on Aroma, portions of the site flooded in '78.
These are all things that were not mentioned in the E,.I.R.
The omission of these historical facts and situations makes
the E.I.R. inadequate. The basis of any E.I.R. is to allow
• the public and the decision makers a.proper foundation on
Which to make a decision. Therefore, I ask that the E.I.R.
be redone to`include all of the proper background information.
In addition, such things like Galster Park
being closed for two and one-half years. The City has abandoned
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isthe adjacent ball park site. These should all be things included
in the E.I.R.
The organization of the E.I.R. is very poor.
Things are listed as impacts, but are not included in the environ-
mental setting. You set the environment to base the decision of
what is an impact. Things like the nearest City recreational
site is over two miles away, or the proposed park is one and one -
quarter raffles away. Odors from the sanitary landfill to the
south. The lack of a history of all of the citations by the
Air Pollution District. These are not included. These are
all pertinent facts that should be included in the E.I.R. The
distances to schools are left out as part of the impact - I
mean as the environmental setting, but they were included as
impact. You.cannot have an impact if you don't set it in the
environment.
The State of California has a document called
Guidelines for the Implementation of the California Environ-
mental Quality Control Act of 1970. Section 15141 of.that
document requires a proper site map. The map that was included
in the E.I.R. is out of date. It doesn't even show the proper
legal descriptions for Galster. It shows the easement going
across the development that does not even exist at this time.
It failed to show the easement that does exist on this site
for access to the upper ballfield. It doesn't show the planter
that was required by previous Planning Commission action as of
Resolution 2396. A proper map is a basic requirement for an
E.I.R. The E.I.R. should be sent back for a proper map.
I have done a little work on, let's say, a
tracing that I obtained from the City Staff of the contours
of the area. I colored in the existing asphalt pavement in
black on the Galster Wood condos to the north part of the
drawing. Aroma Drive is shown on the left hand side there
.curving around, and the black,asphalt going into the A nden
development. At the bottom will be the alignment, as I last
heard of .it from the City Staff, for Connector.5 with a new
entrance to Galster Park shown also in black. This is all tc
scale. The little red spot in the center is the existing
building that is called the "snack shack" for the ball park.
The green there represents the trees that are existing on
the site; the little green above right about in the center
and right below the black of the parking lot of the Galster
• development is the.spring location. The blue to the right
of that is the drain that exists through the upper ballfieid.
These are all physical things that should be shown on any
map in an E.I.R: of this development.
Section 15143, Paragraph C-, of the E.I.R.
Guidelines contains a sentence, "The energy conservation
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measures as well as other appropriate mitigating measures shall
be discussed." Then they give a whole list as Appendix :'F" of
the things that are supposed to be included in an E.I.R. as
far as energy considerations on any development. This does not
appear in the E.I.R. that you have before you this evening.
There is also a list in the Guidelines of
significant effects, all of the things that the State considers
significant in any E.I.R. I would like to cite six items from
that list, (1) aesthetics, (2) growth population, (3) traffic,
(4) noise, (5) recreation, and (6) exposure sensitive receptors
to:-:-substantial-pollutant coricentrations.> That is really fancy
words to mean a dump.
What mitigating measures can be provided?
Aesthetics first. Aroma Gardens guest parking area is viewed
from the existing condos in Galster Wood. If you look up on
the map there, you will see in the red the Galster adjacent
buildings to this site that we are discussing tonight. Ten
units on the right hand side there face the guest parking
for this development. They will be,denied the view of the
greenery that they have right now and the existing planters
that were allowed by your resolution, No. 2396, that will
be destroyed by this development. This is the last open,
flat area on the east end of Aroma Drive. We need open space
for multiple family zoning in this area. This land should be
preserved as a possible City site for some type of development
compatible with open space. That would be a mitigating measure.
Another mitigating measure would be to limit the height of
these buildings in this development to one story. The units
in the existing Galster Wood development would retain their
view then of Galster Park. Fourth, the existing planter along
the asphalt driveway of Galster Wood condos could be extended
to the north as a mitigating measure, if you would so deem it
worthy.
The mitigating measure for the growth of the
population would be to reduce the density. has previously
been suggested that something like 40 would be more appropriate
density for this s:aiall site.
Mitigating measures as to traffic. You could
requ.re that a stop sign Ile placed on alternate street where
it joins Aroma at the foot of the hill. You could require :'_. ►.a -
Aro;ia tenants not '_,e allowed to use the east exit. It would 'ae
used only for fire access. You could create a guest parking
ar:e.a. on the southwest side along Aroma Drive. Fourth, you 11,ight
put in a stop light to patrol the exits from Galster Wood, Aror::;a
Gardens and the Anden group condos, w?,ere they all come together
there as previously pointed out. But, those are mitigating
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measures that should be addressed (all of those) in the E.I.R.
Mitigating measures for the noise questions.
You can enclose the children's play area by requirement; select
proper plantings to block noise from going to the surrounding
areas; three, a standard method, erect barriers to prevent the
noise from going to adjacent areas. Four, you could enclose
the garages. You are right now required in the City of West
Covina to have garages enclosed in condos. It is logical that
if you do it for condos, you could also do it for apartment
houses. You could require that none of the windows be of the
type that can be opened. Thus, all of the noise generatlL g
from within the unit wouldn't be allowed to escape through the
open window.
The recreational thing. I think Dr. Tennant
asked some.questions before as to what things had been asked
for by the homeowners previously. I would like to poi:yt out
that.at the Planning Commission hearing I did ask that the
requirements that were contained in Resolution 2396 be imposed
upon this development also. Those things did include requests
for a tot lot and a recreational building. I would like to
expand -that and also mention that the basketball court be
imposed, as well as a volleyball court (which I previously
brought up at the Planning Commission hearing), and tennis
courts. These should also be imposed on this site to give
it proper recreation for all of the youth that will be in
this development. This will probably be one of the greatest
concentrations of youth that the City of West Covina is going
to ever have.
Your Staff dismissed as unnecessary most of
these mitigating measures by the use of an overriding statement.
The statement is based upon assumption that there is an apart-
ment shortage in the area. If you will check the rents within
this area and immediately around the proposed project, you will
find that the rents are $100.00 to $200.00 depressed from the
rents charged in surrounding communities. This represents the
market place decision that there is an excess of apartments in
the central portion of West Covina. This project would just
add to that excess. Down at the end of the street, the 1800
Aroma apartments took over one gear to get even close to being
filled up, and they still have an appreciable vacancy factor.
To dismiss the mitigating things with this statement is really
inaccurate. The E.I.R. should "be revised to include a serious
discussion of all of the mitigating measures that have been
previously mentioned.
There are other major impacts such.as the guest
parking to the rear, drainage from the park, lack of off-street
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parking, the zoning that was based on the adjacent park site, and
0 neighborhood security.
Parking could be added along the access easement;
right above Connector 5, the access easement has no parking along
it as far as being proposed by the developer. This is another
mitigating measure 'that could be utilized to reduce the parking
problem in the area.
What is going to physically happen? Let me carry
you through. I have visited a lot of condos and apartments that
have security. What you do physically is you drive up, if they
don't have guest parking out'_front, you park along the street or in
the neighbor's parking lots. That would mean Galster Wood condos
would have the problem of accepting the guest parking for this
development. The people then get out of the cars, go to the phone
system, or whatever microphone has connection to the apartment
manager, and ask to get in. And, since they are alreadV on foot,
they are not going to go back to their car to go through the
security gate to park their car in the rear lot. What they are
going to do is get in through the walking gate because that is
the easiest thing. The manager doesn't want to stay there for
ten minutes while they move their car around. He -wants to get
rid of them, too, by just letting them in the security gate.
So, for however long they are going to be there:.visiting whoever
they are going to visit at these Aroma Gardens, they are pro-
bably going to be parked in the parking spaces reserved for the
guests at Galster Wood, or along the street. That is a.major
problem that could be mitigated simply by requiring a parking
lot in front of this development, either along Aroma Drive, or
along Connector 5.
Another possible thing would be to widen the
Connector 5 street for parking. That would mitigate also some
of these problems.
I saw in the City Staff's office the proposed
drain plan for along the north side of this development. It
seems as though the developer indicated there was another drainage
possibility connector for the south side of this development. I
would strongly urge that both drainage underground systems be
required becatF.se both would serve a different geographical drain-
age area. The one that historically flooded two years ago would
be connected to the north side drains and the drainage area to
the north side and east. The area to the south through the
existing Galster Park would be connected to the drainage that
would be along Connector 5.
Historically, zoning ha's been based upon ade-
quate parking and adequate parks and recreational facilities
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being available when you zone for multiple family. You gentlemen
could possibly divide Galster Park and use it for a possible
recreational site to mitigate the problems of lack of recreation
for this development. You could also decide to keep the upper
ball field as a recreational site to mitigate the proper necessity
for recreation for this large development.
The big worry of most of the citizens here is
neighborhood security. Two hundred kids -will be going to schools
that are generally north of this site. The shortest routes to
these schools are existing through private property. South Hills
Drive, you will see a lot of children going through up that
street.`' to get to.their school. Hillward Drive would also see
a lot of children going along to school. Those "would be the
two most direct routes. The legal route is for all of the kids
to walk down Aroma to its end, walk down Azusa until they get
to the major cross -streets that lead to their schools. But,
they don't do that. They do cross the property. That does
cause a problem, and it needs to be solved. I think it is the
duty of this developer to solve that problem, and, you should,
as a Council, require its solution',before you approve this pre-
cise plan.
I ask you this evening to seriously consider
the alternative.::open to you, that is, to recommit this precise
plan and the associated E.I.R. to the Planning Commission for
a revision by a professional'staff consultant that understands
the needs of both condominiums and single family homes in a
relationship to an apartment. I believe it would be a wise
decision for the future of the City of West Covina to have a
full, professional evaluation of all of the concerns of the
citizens that have been brought up this evening. Therefore,
I ask you this evening to vote to reconsider this matter in
the future after a proper E.I.R. has been prepared. Thank
you.
G. A. Achstatter (Received written testimony as ordered into
2167 Aroma Drive the record by Mayor Shearer and delivered
West Covina, CA by R. Brown to the Council.)
"While I will be unable to be present at the
hearing concerning Precise Plan No. 746, I want to have it on
record that I vehemently oppose the plan for the following
reasons,.
(1) The area is a known problem drainage area.
(2) No safeguards will be taken to protect my
home from flood damage resulting from the proposed development.
(3) The developer has no insurance that will
protect my home should flood damage be caused by his development.
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.(4) The precise plan does not take into account
future development plans for this water shed.
(5) An Environmental Impact statement should be
done on the whole water shed as one entity. The E.I.R. for
Precise Plan 746 does not do this.
(6) The water and soils study was performed by
a company paid for by the developer. An impartial source should
be sued.
(7) Recent storm patterns have made_it obvious
that we need more stringent drainage control. 'Precise Plan No. 746
does not call for this.
(8) Due to the close proximity of the develop-
ment to my home, the City should limit the hours of construction
from 7:00 A.M. - 6:00 P.M. Monday through Friday.
(9) No mitigating measures are planned to
alleviate the rodent problem that will ensue once the development
begins.
(10) No mitigating measures are Planned to
avoid disturbing the ground cover that may be destroyed due
to the proximity of the development to my home.
(11) My view of the Galster Park will be des-
troyed by the development.
(12) There will be a considerable los.s of
recreational facilities in the area.
(13) The rapid increase in population on Aroma
Drive has not been properly studied for its negative impacts.
(14) The City should make an attempt to
purchase or lease the land from its current owner to avoid
losing the use of the "lower ballfield".
(15) It is my understanding that the inclusion
of the pool is not mandatory -for this development. The City
Council should assure that it is mandatory.
(16) There is no overall plan for the San Jose
Hills that has met with the approval of the residents of West
Covina.
(17) This development violates Assembly Bill 2370,
which requires a 2,000,foot buffer zone surrounding a Class I
landfill.
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(18) This development violates Article 34 of
10 the Public Housing Project Law.
(19) The City Planning Commission did not do
a thorough job in their Environmental Impact Report. Another
one should be performed."
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to testify this evening
in opposition? This gentleman here. Who
else? This gentleman on the aisle here.
Anyone else? The gentleman in the last row will be third.
Frank Overproler No matter how the decision goes.here today,
2124 Kings Crest good or bad, I am going to be at the brunt.
West Covina, CA If it is a bad decision, I am going to have
to bear the brunt of this because my property
is adjacent right at the top of the hill.
Now, I have attended both the Planning Commission
hearings and these hearings, and the thing that I keep hearing from
everyone is lack of recreation. Now, I have lived at that address
for approximately five to six years, and the ball diamonds were
always there and in use until this year. Now for some reason
unbeknownst to me, someone spent a lot of money to build these
ball diamonds and felt it was necessary to develop this recrea-
tion for our youth. Now, all of a sudden... And, at that time
there was nothing in the valley. There was Galster Park; it
was open to the public; and there was Galster Wood condominium
development. Now, the hillside is covered with apartments and
condominiums and more are coming, and all of a sudden we don't
need the ball diamonds any more. We apparently don't need
Galster Park any more either. And, the only thing I see as
additional recreation is a 750 square foot pool in this develop-
ment, which speaks for itself. I don't think I have to tell
you that is totally inadequate.
I personally feel that unless this recreation is
mitigated in some way, being at the top of the slope, that is the
only natural place for kids to play. It is very steep. It is
going to create vandalism along the top of the slope, which,
again, is going to be my problem. I feel it is going to create
some -erosion problems which won't be mine; it will be Galster
Wood or the development by itself.
So, I feel unless there are some other arrange-
ments made for recreation in that area, I think you should send
this back to the Planning Commission for some other plan. I
just don't think introducing 200 children or 150 or even 100
children in that area without any parks and that small of a pool
and a little tot lot is sufficient. I just don't think it will
work and it is not fair to the neighbors. Thank you.
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• Shearer: The gentleman on the aisle.
Tom Walsh I am here also to appeal and voice my opposition
2205 Paseo to the Planning Commission's and the City Council's
de Peak approval of Precise Plan 746. I fail to under -
West Covina, CA stand the action of our City officials recommending
approval of this project in light of the following:
. The Environmental Impact Report identified many
significant effects, but failed to provide adequate mitigating
measures. One of the prime impacts was the identification and
brief discussion in the E.I.R. of the B.K.K. problem. We call
i C a sanitary landfill; B.K.K. Corporation calls it a corporation;
it is known as a toxic waste landfill; and it is known by many
other names by the adjacent homeowners. We are all quite aware
of the present and possible long-term problems posed by the
existence of the landfill and the view of the published position
of the B.K.K. Corporation officials:.to fight any attempt of
closure all of the 'way to the Supreme Court. I cannot understand
the West Covina official's posture in approval of Precise Plan
No. 746.
It is my understanding based on the facts supplied
by City Staff .that (1) the tenants of the project will be selected
based on qualifications as established by HUD from the entire Los
Angeles County area. The proposed project, in my opinion, will
not provide any assistance to our own community, either the low
income, the handicapped or the elderly.
My opposition to acceptance is included in the
Guidelines for the Environmental Quality Act of 1970, Title 14,
Appendix "G", Significant Effects, and I quote, "A project will
not normally have a significant effect on the environment if it
will (under Item "X") violate any .ambient air quality standards,
contribute substantially to the existing or projected air quality
violation,'or (and I underline this) expose sensitive receptors
to substantial pollutants concentrations." The E.I.R. touched
upon the B.K.K. situation, and by its very mention in the E.I.R.,
it automatically became identified as a significant effect. If
you permit this project to continue, I maintain that the City
Will become responsible for the health and well being of any
person or persons granted rental rights in these units. Title
14, Section "G:', Item "X" was included to protect the elderly,
who, because of age, may have respiratory problems; the handi-
capped for the same reason; and/or children, who cannot protect
themselves. Does this City not have responsibility to its
citizens, present and future, regardless of their financial
situation?
I speak to this item mainly because of the
Planning Commission's questions and Staff's response as included
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• in the minutes of the Planning Cc
Pages 4, 5, 13, 14 and 15. Thes(
to you. The Planning Commissions
ignore our responsibilities as c'
by the action to postpone for Tel
ness package, and the grandfather
date. I don't believe that this
ing and mitigating a significant
priorities and our responsibilit
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mmission meeting, January 21, 1981,
minutes have been made available
and the Staff have attempted to
tizens to future project tenants
i:ew the perspective renter aware-
ing of the total issue at a later
is the proper method of identify -
impact. I ask, where are our
es?
Another point of interest is the fact supplied
by HUD in 35A, and I quote, "A congressional inquiry has been
made on this project, and it has been assigned an inquiry number."
I believe this
result of the action by the Cit
instruct the Planning Commissio
possible amendment, suspension
permit'.
A l l of the inf
by the citizens of our communit
and a recommendation returned t
to solicit a corporation qualif
Impact Report. The Staff's att
vain effort, and it is my opini
critical review by the courts.
haotic situation is a direct
of West Covina, and that was to
to hold hearings for the
d revoking of the B.K.K. use
rmation presented to this Council
should be reviewed by the Council,
the Planning Commission for them
ed to perform an Environmental
mpt to perform the E.I.R. was a
n that it would be subject to
I also strongly urge you to recommend further
action beyond a professional E.I.R. be postponed pending the
results of the public hearing before the Planning Commission
of B.K.K. Landfill operations. Thank you.
Shearer:
The
gentleman in
the
back row. Going to pass?
Gentleman:
Yes,
it has already
been covered.
Shearer: Anyone else wi
(Done indicate
portion. We a
rebuttal. Anyone who is suppor
to talk, and there was lots of
you to confine your comments to
in opposition. As best as I ca
in that regard. Obviously, I t
testimony that was given, we ar
three minute rule. I think it
that. So, if you will give me
think you will need, we will pr
Ching to testify in opposition?
1.) Alright, we will close that
-e now into the period for
:ing of the project who wishes
:estimony given, I would urge
those points that were raised
i recall, I will try to keep you
link because of the amount of
not going to adhere to the
vould be unfair to try to rebut
,ome idea of how much time you
)bably give it. You may proceed.
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Public Testimony
In Rebuttal
K. Phillip Knierim, Esq.
Fulop, Roston, Burns
& McKittrick
96.65 Wilshire Blvd.
7th Floor
Beverly Hills, CA
March 9, 1981
I am here representing the project
propq,aent. Even though I am repre-
senting someone else, I will do r,y
best to confine myself to the =�hree
minutes with a very short exLe'asion
of it'.
One of the principle matters I wanted
to address was the consistency with the General Plan. Rather
than take ;lour time to do so, I have a letter with copies for
.-he,Council that I would like to file with the City Clerk, and
if I could, have it be part of the record.
One thing that I would like to say
about the plan consistency issue is that it is basically a "red
herring". As the letter indicaltes and as your Staff indicated
they are well aware, the whole idea about zoning and plans is
to control land use, not to have arbitrary inconsistencies that
lawyers can argue over between various paper designations. The
project is consistent with the plan, and, as the letter points
out, there is absolutely no legal requirement that it satisfy
anything else to do with the plan. The law provides a very
specific remedy for makirsg zoning consistent with the plan
and disapproving projects isn't part of it. The Subdivision
Map Act, which covers this project because it is a multi-3d:ait
residential development, only requires that consistency with
she plan be shown.
I think one other point is worL-h
mentioning in that regard, and this is the idea that once you
have a large piece of property that has been planned and
zoned and considered by your ocan Staff, you don't start chopping
away at it, cut it in half, and then try to apply the designation
that was made for all of it to half of it. I think that if you
look at what the opponents have submitted suggesting that you
be treating this as a 3.8 or 4 acre tract instead of a 6.11 acre
tract, 170u see that they don't have any legal authority for
their position at all. There is a very good reason for that.
There is none. The Planning Sitaff took a look at a whole area,
planned it for a particular kind of residential density, and
you looked at it again in the (zoning process and zoned it for
a particular density that included the whole land. There is no
reason now not to include the whole land in assessing the merits
of the project, which leaves 5I07. open space, and, if I can say
so, a very finely designed cluster development over the whole
parcel.
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One other thi
and I come to this rather late
attending any of your other he
hear over and over again the s
Environmental Impact Report sh
but.instead should be sent .out
I think that if you look at th
are. supposed to do, you would.
what you have done because the
almost everybody who gets invo
the side of developers or proje
biased. I am paid to be biased
The other lawyer who was up he
of the opponents. The develop
a project and make a profit.
most of the project opponents a
issues that they have stated, a
don't want the development. T
State E.I.R. Guidelines that y
thing above everything else, a
Impact Report that is put out s
judgment of the.lead agency.
of West Covina. This is becaus
men, as elected officials, and
are the people who are charged
decisions for the best benefit
recognize that you and your Sta
be depended on to assess the co
and come out with not only a fa
and environmentally sound decis
are'doing the finest thing poss
done -in-house by your.own impar�
very much urge you to take into
your Staff has said, and to go
shown very, very compelling rea,
an
I think only
One a very small one. With re;
heard criticism about the fact
entrance to this project appar(
from the entrance to another pi
that any number of traffic eng:
is much sounder planning, part:
going to have intersections on
It is easier to control the st<
is easier to provide visibilit,
you have a blind approach comic
approach coming off here, and
off there. Many, many traffic
you that cross streets are mucl
random lights going off to the
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hie
o
ng that. I . have found very 'interes
having not had the privilege of
a rings., but I was enchanted to
ugges_tion that somehow your
ould not be prepared by the Staff,
to some.kind of.private consulta
enviro'rimental -laws and what the
find that they would prefer exact
environmental laws recognize tha
lied in these disputes, either on
ect opponents, is biased. I am
,here in favor of the developer.
le was paid to be biased in favor
er is biased. He wants to build
I think it is safe to assume that
re biased -some because of the
nd some because they simply
environmental laws in the
u heard referred to say one
that is that the Environmental
hould reflect the independent
That is, in this case, the City
e they recognize that you gentle -
your very fine Planning Staff,
with being impartial and making
of all of the citizens. They
Cff are the.people who can most
mpeting biasses of both sides
it and equitable, but rational
ion. I would submit that you
ible by .having your E.I.R.'s
tial City Staff, and.I would
serious consideration what
with your Staff unless you are
sons to do lotherwise.
�Ine... Well) two final points.
pect to the traffic, you have
that there is going to be an
�ntly right across the street
oJect. I think you will find
neers will tell you that:this
cularly on a curve, if you are
a main street to have them cross.
plights or traffic signals. It
from both directions than if
g off here, and another blind
nother blind approach coming
engineers would suggest to
much sounder planning than
left or right at various.points.
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With respect t
I think you should ask yourself
likely to live in this developm
whatever supposed risk may exis
to that is very clear, they cer
should ask yourself .then whethe
to make an informed choice to ii
get better housing for themselv
choice to be made for them by p
perhaps an excuse to deny them
opponents already have. Thank
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the B.K.K. Sanitary Landfill,
whether the people that are
,nt are going to be informed of
to them. I think the answer
ainly are. And, I think you
you want to entitle people
.prove their lot in life, to
s, or whether you want the
ople who use the landfill as
he opportunities the project
ou
Shearer: Anyone else wishing to speak in rebuttal?
Tim Smith I would lik
Project Architect physical fe
by the vari
community.
five minute
First of a
the gentleman before me pretty
that. I think one of the fact
is that I am biased and the pe
their viewpoints when they wer
easements and things like that
that they were deducting from
space, which would be on our s
there or not. So, I don't thi
were a fair analysis of the tr-
they were trying to get across
In terms o
was some question whether a ba
A basketball court will be pro
half -court facility, not a ful
to address myself to the
tures that were brought up
us citizens who live in the
I will take.about three to
11, in terms of density, I think
iwell described our position on
rs you need to take into concern
ple before me were biased in
calculating density and moving
Some of the various easements
ur site included flat open
to whether the easement was
k some of the areas they deducted
e density, or the true point that
to the Council.
the recreation facilities, there
ketball court would be provided.
ided on the site. It will be a
court.
Also, I think the suggestion that the plan
should be brought back for re-evaluation of the exact positioning
of the pool, whatever size it might be, is basically a waste of
everybody's time. I think the idea would be to basically state
th-e condition as to what the requirements of the pool should be,
and let the Planning Department determine whether it is placed
in a proper location. I think the concept of what the pool will
end up is approximately correct. It will vary depending on what
the final dimensions of the pool will be.
Guest parking. I really can't imagine such
an issue over guest parking. IThe guest parking meets the City
requirements. It is not arbitrarily positioned. It is positioned
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first of all to make parking a major concern for the occupants
of the project, and not for the guests. Number two, it is also
positioned in such a way that it is at the most remote end of
the site and in the most critical acoustical area of the site
leading up to the valley. The idea was to limit the use of
that part of the site as.much as possible and that was the
one use that we could find that potentially would not be used
all of the time. So, as an acoustical factor, that is 'why
the guest parking was placed there, as well as for the conven-
ience of the people occupying the project and not the guests.
There was some Iconcern about children from our
project crossing through the projects to the north. I ;would
just remind everybody that we are providing a six foot high
wall all of the way around the site. There are also changes
in grade between the adjacent sites. So, children would have
to cross over a six foot barrier and some embankments to get
across to the neighboring site.l So, we will provide the
barrier and I think that is as much as physically can be done.
Traffic. Aga
Engineer) evaluated the traffi
neutral position, has indicate
that he doesn't feel the impac
project will significantly imp
Drive. In terms of the confli
like to again point out that t
the project is a secondary roa
to the rear of our project. T
northerly side of the site and
is;_Positioned so that it will
with the adjacent projects. I
condominium project that is no
you ask most traffic engineers
location.
Drainage. I
is a drainage problem on this
it would still be a problem..
is definitely improving the si
water. I would say 90% of it
connect directly to an existin
Through regrading and recompac
there will be no surface water
Although there was mention of
soils reports haven't verified
I would imagine that it is mor
off of the hill. Again, I am
ing the soils report, that is
In, the City Engineer (Traffic
input on Aroma, and in his
to us, as stated in the E.I.R.,
of the cars coming out of this
ct -the traffic flow on Aroma
t points and the bend, I would
e lower road to.the south of
'and is basically an easement
e rna j or entrance is o_1 the
again, as pointed out before,
inimize the..conflict points
is directly across from the
under development, which, if
would be the most desirable
will be the first to admit, there
site. Left in its natural state,
I think what we are doing there
tuation. We are controlling all
through underground systems which
g storm drain life on Aroma Drive.
Ling the existing fill on the site,
spill -off onto the adjacent sites.
a natural spring on the site, our
that there is a natural spring.
of a ponding of the water coming
Zot a soils expert, but in review-
--he basic indication.
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The air conditioning units will
positioned in such a 'way that t
within our project or people on
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stion about air conditioning units.
be located on the roof. They are
ey cannot be seen from any people
the surrounding projects on Aroma
Acoustics. We have provided a solid masonry
wall around the project, which acts as an acoustical 'Duffer.
We have been asked to provide additional, landscaping, which
will, again, absorb the sound. I mentioned the factor about
the guest parking in an effort to take the potential least
active use on the site and put it in the most critical area.
The buildings themselves, although you cannot see the raster
plan,right now, betray a cluster. Most of the units turn in...
Tice: Excuse me. Mr
the other draw
what this is.
Miller, would you take down
ng so that we can visualize
Smith: Okay. As -you 'can see, the units turn in
within themselves, so the buildings them-
selves create is wall around the common
facility and open space, and will create a sound baffle for
sound going up the hill. Also,l in terms of noise coming out
of the units, I would say approximately 25% of the units would
be radiating out towards the surrounding developments, and 75%
of the units will 'be turned back into the courts or unto Aroma
Drive. The noise coming out of the units has_been basically
minimized by the master planning. The idea of trying to put
in solid windows, I don't think is a feasible idea. I am not
going to get into all of the ramifications of that:
Also, the car
lit --le red line drawn around t
That red line is a block wall
noise generating out the carpo
be bounced back from the surro
the carports you can also see,
are secondary walls, block wal
carport would be on the entran
directed away from the adjacen
I think that
physical points of the master
up, unless there is another q
Shearer: Are there an
time?
orts themselves, you can see a
e perimeter of the carports.
set there as a baffle. The
is will hit the block wall and
nding residents. In back of
ed lines coming down, those
S. The only open part of the
e side, which in all cases is
projects.
retty well covers most of the
Ian that the citizens brought
stion that I might have missed.
questions of Mr. Smith at this
Chappell: One question! A comment was made by the
opponents in showing one of the pictures
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Could we go into that one a 'Litt.
hear it?
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could be running down the street.
e bit more so trjat everybody can
Smith: Yes. We are pllanning an underground storm drain
system which•-:, will basically parallel and go down
t1he parking on Ithe north .side. Tire entrance
point of that system will pick up the majority of the water
coming off of the slopes above. Connecting into that system will
be a catch'basin as a secondary smaller system to collect the
-,;pater on -site and put it back into that storm drain line. That
storm drain lime will then connect into the street. At least
90% of the surface water that now comes into teat area will be
collected underground and taken directly into the storm drain
lime so that number one, the po ynding that it creates... Vo.at
happens on that site now, caahica is relatively flat, tice water
comes doc�an into it and the water `tas no place to go because
there are no drains out to the Aroma property, so it saturates
the site and seeps into the surrounding developments. Our pro-
ject will eliminate that. It will collect all of L at water
and take it directly out to the street.
Shearer: When it gets to the street, though, it. is
disctoarged under the surface.
Smith: No. It is di- slharged Y basicall into the
drain, the storm drain.
Shearer: Is there a storm. drain in Aroma Drive:
Smith: Yes.
Shearer: Is that correct, Mr. Thomas?
Thomas: Yes.
Shearer: What size is the storm drain there on Aroma Drive?
Thomas: I believe it is about a sixty inch.
Shearer: So, your system will connect into...
S:Ylith Aroma Drive. So, t1ke illusion of a sheet of
surface water coming over our site to Aroma
would not be -there. Literally, 90% of the
water tilat comes off of that slope wi-1.1 be connected into our
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system and never 17et onto Al oiiia Drive.
Shearer: Any other questions? (None indicated.) Thank
you,. Mr.,. Smite., Anyone else wishing to testify
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Mark Maltz -man I 'would just like to say a few things. With
Shapell Govt. respect to One dump site and its relationship
Dousing, Inc. to the E.I.R., I.would just like to make a few
comments. Number one, our soils engineer has
been out there and specifically looked at the
issue of whether or not there might be any chemical migration.
Ize tested the soil, and he tested the water, and not only did
he find that there was no indication of any abnormalities, it
was also his opinion that that is just a very unlikely possi-
bility after having studied it.
Also, with respect to HUD, I don't think that
it is up to this Council here to protect HUD's interest. If
they are going to make any separate sort of studies or what
have you, they are a very. largebureaucracy,.and -they are capable
of making plenty of studies. I think, you know, that the
Council should make w atever determination it feels best.
With respect to the traffic, I think that the
man proceding me, Mr. Smith, has pretty accurately rebutted
that. I just would like to point out that the side of the street
that this project is on enables someone coming out of that drive-
way to .look both ways. At school that is uhat they always cold
• me to look to the rigid and look to the left. You can do that
Llhere and you can see because you are basically at i.he apex of
the curve. You can see one side, and you can see for a long
way, and you can look to the other side and you can also see
for a long 'way. I really think that had this project been on
the other street, this.comment-would have -been -appropriate, but
I don't think that it is here.
I would like to just say that 'with respect to
the parking, we do meet the City requirements. It has been
suggested that we park.on the easement. I would like to point
out that the easement has a very limited use and it is only for
ingress and egress to that rear property there, and parking
would not be allowed on it.
Also, I would just like to state that we are a
very large company and this is sort of like the small division
of this large company. The majority of our company develops
luxury houses and vae sort of have a reputation to uphold, and
if we came in here and developed something that immediately
became an eyesore or problem in the ,community, why it would
reflect adversely on the rest of our • company, and that is some-
thing that we don't have any intention of doing. Also, we
intend to develope4 ture apartment developments in the Southern
California area, and if we were to have developed an eyesore or
something that was detrimental or something that had a bad
reputation, why that would prohibit us from ever ,,developing
elsewhere. So, when we put our name on something, we chink
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hat it is developed in a very high quality fashion. We think
• that as this project is developed, it is going to be something
that as the years go by'we are all going to look back on and
be proud of. Thank you.
Shearer: Any questions? (None indicated.) Thank you.
Anyone else wishing to testify in rebuttal?
(None indicated.) If not, we will close the
public portion of the hearing. At this time I am going d.-o ask
the City Attorney two questions. Would you care to continent,
number one, on what is relevant and what is not as it -relates.
to some of the testimony that has been presented .there this
evening as far as the Council's consideration in making our
decision? I am speaking specifically to the question of
financing, HUD's involvement, and so forth. And, secondly,
if you feel that you can, and I hope you can, address AB 2370,
the 2,000 foot perimeter issue. How does that, in your opinion,
relate to the item before us this evening?
Attorney: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Relative to the first question,
this is a precise plan matter. That is, a
zoning determination for the City Counci+_.
As such, only land use considerations are appropriately considered
'by t1le Council in making a determination on this matter. By land
use considerations, of course, I am referring to matters such as
traffic, density, and other traditional land use and zoning
matters. The economics of the program, the funding.of the pro-
gram, are all inappropriate considerations to be taken into
account by the Council in making a decision, reaching a decision,
on this project because they are not land use determinations or
land.use issues, and they should be specifically excluded from
your consideration in reaching a decision on this matter.
Relative to the second question, I must plead
personal ignorance on the issue of the assembly bill that you
referred to. however, it is my understanding that my partner,
Colin Lennard, has provided an opinion to the'. City Staff on
this issue to the effect that consideration ofa precise plan
is by no means precluded from activities of the City Council
in relation to a project of this kind based upon the findings
that have been made to this point. So, it is my understanding
that his familiarity with the bill and his opinion would be
that (and has been communicated to Staff),you are not prevented
by reason of that recent legislation fropi'' `proceeding with a
determination on this matter.
• S`aearer: Thank you. Gentlemen, the matter is now open
for Council discussion.
C'i,appe?_l:, I would like to bring some history into this
project, if I may. The ball diamond is the
item that I will discuss at the moment.
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Back in the days when San Jose Little League
played at the San Jose School, the facility became inadequate
for size. The league at that time started looking around for
a ball diamond, and they went to Hollencrest School. Hollen-
crest School being at that time an intermediate school; it was
the opinion of Staff and the School Board that Hollencrest
School was not.an appropriate site for a :Little League bail
diamond, or two diamonds is what they needed. Being on the
School Board at the time and knowing Mr. Brutoco from Junior
Footeall (in those days, Pop Warner), and knowing that he
was youth -oriented, I approached him and asked him if.he
wouldn't sit down with the officers of,the San Jose Little
League to attempt to work out some place to play ball. It
was his decision that he had a lot of land over on the site
that Happens to be located, and that he was willing to sit:_
down with the league. He sat down.with them and allowed them
to build the ball diamonds that are there so that they could
play baseball. He allowed them to build it on his sit-e.
The league itself built the fields along with some of his
help with heavy equipment and things of that nature. I think
he should be commended for allowing something like.this 'Co
happen because there are not many citizens in our cor�Triunity
that would allow their property to be tied up and used for
many years as it was.
We did receive one of the ball diamonds, the
northern site, as a site for the City, and we determined it
to be a mini -park up there for the ball diamond. He retained
the lower diamond, and told the people at.San Jose Little
League that at the time that he was going to develop that
property, they, of course, would have to find new sites.
It was the wisdom of this City Council that
we relocate this league. It is an important part of our
community, and we therefore have relocated this league, and
Mr_. Louis=Brutoco, I assume, now is selling the property to
Shapell (not spelled the same way as.my name and no relative).
That is where we stand as far as the ball dia-
monds go. Once again, I would say that he should be comrtiended
rather than the remarks made somewhere along the way about
taking the ball diamond away from the children.
Also, when we held the ;hearings on Aroma"�,
Drive and the condominiums that were built along there (she
Mayor stated this a few minutes ago), there`.__was more.opposition
in those hearings than there is here. And, the opposition, with
the exception of the landfill gave almost the same reasoning
for not wanting that site there. You can go back to the record,
and it is there.. I have hadrit reviewed, and it is there. So,
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'we as a City Council (and,. only two of us were around at that time)
• are seeing almost the same things prevailing again by the people
who live in the site that was opposed by other residents of our
City. So, it is kind of tough as -we sit here to come up with a...
I thought we had a logical decision in those days, and we may make
a logical_ decision tonight. I don't know.
A comment was made that,,S$100,000.00 was going
to be.a block grant from this City. This City Council makes
those decisions, and this City Council has not made a decision
to give any money to this site. And, as long as I sit here, I
will vote ,against usproviding any funds for this site.. So,
whoever made that comment did not quite have all his facts.
Pools can be removed only by this City Council.
The Planning Commission put a Ipool in this site as they have in
most all other apartment type and condominium type projects in
West Covina, and once again I will state to you, that as a City
Councilman, I will not vote to have this pool removed. I will
encourage Staff and the developer .to enlarge the pool.
I think that right now.as far as the health
hazard from B,K.K., some of you in the audience have had the
• privilege of listening to the people from the State and from
.the County Health Department, Water Quality Control, Air Quality
Control, Solid Waste Management and others tell us that is a
safe site. If our good congressman feels that through his
influence with HUD he can stop this project(.:. We do not negoti-
ate with HUD in any manner, way, shape or form, and that would
be his prerogative.
But, as far as I am concerned, 'we have a good
project here. It meets the criteria that this City Council
has. in the decision making process. Hopefully, it will turn
out as well as the other project on Aroma Drive. That is all
I have, Mayor.
Tennant: Mayor_, I share most of Councilman Chappell's
views;- on this matter. I think it is important,
at least for me to say, 'what I view ray job is
as City Councilman and w1-iat I think a City Council is to do.
As a City Council., we are not to be concerned with where someone
gets their money to build a project. Our job is to do two things.
Number one is to protect the private property rights of individuals,
and, secondly, to insure that our zoning and building codes are
enforced. This individual.,Who owns this property, Mr. Brutoco,
its his property. He _can do whatever he wants to do. with it a•s
long as. he meets our zoning and ordinances, and we have to go
along with it. It is also my understanding (perhaps the City
Attorney might want to correct this) that some cities and some
individual councilmen have been sued when they attempted to
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make decisions other than on those basis..
So, obviously, I am going to have to go along with
this project with the exception that I share the views that the
recreation facilities are not adequate for this many units. They
need a bigger pool and perhaps more open Ispace. I want to see
something done with the guest parking. I am not just real happy
with the traffic situation and what is going to happen to the
entrance of this. So, I would suggest that it go back to the
Planning Commission for another reworking. If they can work
out these details and it stays within our zoning and ordinances,
and it is his private property, he can pretty well do with it
what he wants.
I see some unhappy shaking of the heads in the
audience. I think most of you know that I was voted against
selling off the other land next to it since that is our private
property. That belongs to this City. It was my_view that I
wanted covenants on that land to make sure that ;it- di_c not go
to HUD housing.
!would just like to close by saying that HUD
is a financing mechanism that has nothing to do with this City.
I really don't know how they are going to finance this property,
and I am not quite sure who they are going to rent it to. That
is sort of their business. That is really in the congressman's
"balley-wick" at the federal level. The federal government has
to stop that financing. We can't stop it. And, it seems to me,
and that is my opinion, that we have no choice but to vote for
this project if they can meet these other requirements. I don't
think we have any choice. I think it is our legal responsibility.
Tice: I spent several portions of this weekend reviewing
the E.I.R. in some detail and.the other supporting
documentation. Since our dete):urination here has
to be whether it meets the zoning ordinances or the building code,
I don't think we have too much of a choice in our'decision.
My concern is for the amount of children that are
going to be in that project and the recreational facilities. That
is one concern.
The other concern is'the location of the guest
parking. I would like to see another look at the guest parking
area. Perhaps it could be moved down south more.
I think, as my fellow Councilmen have said, that
the pool is not really adequate for the number of children that
will be in that project before it is over with. I do think that
'we have to consider the recreationalfacilities for these children.
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There will be quite a few children.
So, under the circumstances., I am requesting
those issues to be addressed. In fact, I would like to hold
off making any decision until I find out what the consensus
is of the developer, whether he can meet this criteria or not.
to enlarge the recreational facilities. Perhaps they could
tell us tonight, I don't know.
The plans as submitted to do meet zoning
requirements and the building code, as far as I can tell.
As to the density matter that came up, I might
repeat that in all of our projects (as you can see in tlhe newest
ones that have come up), there is a density trade-off. The
entire piece of property is.taken into consideration in deter_-
mining.the amount of units to be put on a piece of property.
This project is 6.11 acre,,s', and that has all been considered
in their density. So, they meet the density requirements, I
don't -think there is any question on.that point.
I would like to see some more done in the recrea-
tional area. That is all I have, Mr. Mayor..
Shearer: As I sat for two and one-half, well, maybe three
hours, listening to testimony, I attempted to
jot down a number of factors. There is no
that I can address each one. During testimony in opposition, I
considered some of the things that I would like to maybe see
myself, but perhaps cannot impose. Some other factors I didn't
consider valid. Some:"I did consider valid and within my
prerogative. I would like to address three or four that I
think are important or with which I have some quarrel, so that
you people can understand my.position.
Going back in history, I can join with Councilman
Chappell. I believe what is before us this evening is consistent
with what was before us before there was anything there at all.
This whole area was... I won't say it was master planned, but
it was prezoned prior to annexation to the City of West Covina,
if my memory serves me correct. At the time that the first pro-
ject came in.`(I believe it was Galster Wood condominiums), there
was considerable opposition.- At that time I offered to con-
sider jiving the owner the op.poxtunity to de -annex and go back
to the County because when he came into the City of West Covina,
it was under the condition that certain development would be
allowed. The County has less stringent requirements in most
cases, I believe, than the City of West Covina., That offer was
not taken. I think it would be unfair at this point to suggest
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that we are going to (even though*it might be within the Council's
prerogative, it would��be unfair.:and•.questionable morally, I believe)
impose.a reduced density on this. which is, one of the last few
remaining parcels.
In regard to the question of_health as it relates
to B.K.K., I believe that we have heard repeatedly from the people
in this'State who are in the power to make those kinds of decisions,
that it is not a health hazard. There is no.question that there
may well be nuisance odors. I don't quarrel with teat issue.
But, as to the question of health., the people who are empowered
to make those kinds of decisions, the experts in the field, have
repeatedly said that there isno health problem and that it is
a safe site.
One other point, the question of access to
schools. When that 'testimony`.was given, I thought, "Wow, maybe
this would be-an,opportunity.to develop some sort of pedestrian
access directly:from the site up over -the hill." Then I recalled,
as Councilman Ken (Chappell) -remembers, 'we met down with the
Rowland School District some time ago -to develop such a facility
in. Woodside Village It looked great on paper. We went ahead
and it was constructed. Then, shortly after the area began to
develop and the youngsters began to use-the'path, the "arenas
came in and asked us to tear it up and close it because it was
a source of problems. Children were accosted on their way to
and from school because it was not along the pib is street. So,
you create what looks good.on-paper,'and when ile is actually
built and in practice, it doesn`t worrt.� So, I will reject that..
I..find the -plan deficient in two aspects, and
I will not vote to approve it this evening, Number one is the
recreation. 'I believe it was Mr. Smith in response to my question,
by his own admission, who said that a pool for this type of
development was on the small side. I didn't make the statement.
That came from a witness for the project; In Mr. Smith's
rebuttal (I believe it was Mr.:Smith),-he.makes mention of a
basketball court, which I find not designated on the.plans
before us. I find that unacceptable. I-f it is going to be
a part of the precise plan and something that this City can
later.enforce, then I think it should*be included on the pre-
cise plan. I am not.saying'mhat I would accept as adequate
recreation, but for the number of potential youngsters.(I look
at 16 three -bedroom and 65 two-bedroom.apartments, and there
will no doubt be a great number, whether there are 200 or 150),,
I am going to have to'be convinced by'more than just some
.vague lines -on a drawing that, there- are adequate recreational
:facilities., I think that is one thing that this Council has
,.acommitment to do. Whether it meets other people's involve-
ment�=-,-(I am not supposed to'get into HUD, but I guess I have
to in this case), w'ryether it qualifies.or not., as a luxury or,
as a necessity in their view, I think adequate on -site recrea-
tiona_1 -facilities for the -youngsters is dust as important as
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a flush toilet inside. So, if that is important inside, then I
think the recreational facilities outside are just as important,
and that is where I do have the authority to say "yea" or "nay"
to. I want to see a more precise evaluation of recreational
facilities and a.comparison of it between similar projects in
the City.
Whether this has to go back to. the Planning
Commission or not, I do not know. Perhaps the City Attorney
can tell us.
My second concern for not being ale to vote
on this, and I don't know what the answer is, is the conflict
between the project security and the guest parr:ing. I have
not yet been able to resolve that conflict. It is great to
have.guest parking, but if guests can't get to it, it is as
useless as... There is an expression that fits that. I don't
like the answer that I got that you can go some place and ring
a bell and the apartment.manager will answer it and open the
gate, and then you can go back and get in your car and drive
into the project. I don't buy that. I just can't imagine
that happening. I think something has to give. I don't 'know
what that is. I am not going to sit -here and design the pro-
ject any more than I am going to determine how it is going to
be financed. But, I cannot see the compatibility between
guest parking... I can see what is going to happen. They
are going to park on the street, as was said by Mr. Brown,
and they won't go back in and move their car. They will•leave
it out on the street, and if there is no parking on the street,
they might drive into Galster Wood and find a place to park.
I think that the plan can be redesigned to
accomr.:odate guest parking outside of the security gate. If
you take a look at the plan, the security gate could be moved
in.further on the site. Yes, the potential is that the resi-
dents will use it, but that 24 hour a day manager will have
to spend some of his time policing the parking spaces rather
than answering the buzzer for guests.
So, until those two factors are worked out to
my satisfaction... number one, there is recreation on -site
compatible with other types of development, hard recreation -
I don't mean just a lot of grass, I mean a basketball court,
an adequate size pool, or something, I am not saying what it is,
volley ball or a variety of things, and number two, the question
of guest parking... I cannot vote to approve this precise plan.
I would like to hear from the City Attorney whether
the matter, if my colleagues share my concern, has to go back to the
Planning Commission or whether the developer, if he chooses, can
merely pursue the matter, add these features, make them more precise,
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on the plan, or whatever, and come back directly to the Council.
-Attorney: Yes, Mr. Mayor. The City Council has the choice
as to whether it wishes to refer the matter to
Staff, and ask the developer to work with Staff
in bringing additional information back to the Council for your
consideration on the issues which you have identified as those
of concern, or you may refer the matter back to the Planning
(Commission and have the developer bring additional information
to the Planning Commission for the purpose of having the
Commission review and provide their input to -you prior to a
decision being made.
Shearer: So, it does'not have to go back'to the Planning
Commission?
Attorney: No, -it is not required.. The code says "may".
"The Council may because of making substantial
changes or because of a desire for additional
information, or due to the submission of significant new materials
or evidence) refer the matter back to the Planning Commission."
But, that is permissive. It is "may" rather'than "shall".
Shearer: My recommendation on these two points would be
rather than... To expedite the matter... Since
the. Planning Commission has already said "okay"
to this, to send it back to them for a revision, I find a little
bit incompatible. I think the Staff has heard our comments here.
I would recommend that we refer the matter back to Staff for a
resolution of these matters for submission back, at the earliest
possible date, to theCity Council, as far as I am concerned
incorporating those two matters and if there are any other
matters that my colleagues want to add, now would be the time
before we have the motion.
Tice: Those two concerns are Ithe only two that I had
with it. I would rather have it that way. I
would rather have it go right back to the Council.
Tennant: Just tied in with that, I am still not clear on
how that front entrance is going to work. Are
they going to have gates, steel bars and cement?
How is the front gate going to work as far as security and as far
as guest parking? I.am not quite sure how it is going to work.
Shearer: Alright. Then, we would add a more precise
description of the security method to the guest
parking and the recreational facilities.
Tennant: That.'s right.
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Chappell: i think if we are going to refer it 'back, it should
be referred to Staff because if we go through the
process of sending it back to the Planning
Commission, we are liable to delay sixty or ninety days more, and
that certainly, wouldn't be fair if the Sta.f.'J" and the dEvcloper
can work it vit prior to our next- meeting, which would 'be sat -is -
factory to me.
Tice: Iwill make almotion on this matter, if you want,
to refer it back to Staff to see what can be
worked out, and then to come back to the Council
as soon as possible.
Shearer:
That
would
include
the
three
items?
Tice:
That
would
include
the
three
items.
Shearer:
Tice:
Tennant:
Shearer:
.. Recreation,, security and guest parking.
Recreation, security and guest parking.
Second.
Is there any further discussion? (None indicated.)
All in favor.
All oral votes in the affirmative.
Motion carries in the affirmative, four in favor,
one absent.
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HEARINGS (CONT) 2) AD 80-1 PROSPERO DRIVE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT -
PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DEBT LIMIT REPORT
Council reviewed staff'-s report. The recommendation
Hearing re Debt Limit Report was to hold over, with the hearing open, the action on
(AD 80-1) .the. Debt Limit Report until the next City Council
meeting of March 23, 1981.
3) AD 80-1 PROSPERO DRIVE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT -
HEARING ON THE RESOLUTION OF INTENTION
Hearing re Resolution of Council review staff's report. The recommendation was
Intention to hold over, with the hearing open, the action on the
(AD 80-1) Resolution of Intention and the Negative Declaration
of Environmental Impact until the next City Council
meeting of March.23, 1981.
Motion to hold over Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell, and unanimously
hearing until 3/23/81 carried to approve staff's recommendations to hold
over both the above hearings until March 23, 1981.
COMMISSIONS & DEPARTMENTAL ITEMS (CONT)
FINANCE DEPARTMENT (CONT
2) PLACEMENT OF GENERAL AND AUTO LIABILITY COVERAGE
General & Auto Liability Council reviewed staff's report.
coverage Motion by Tice, seconded by Tennant to approve the,
CHRIST & SPANG, -INC. proposal of Christ & Spang, Inc., wherein coverages for
General and Auto Liability will be procured with a
self=insured retention of $100,000.00 aggregate/stop
loss of $400,000.00 with a combined upper limit of
$10 million. The premium for the coverage is $35,252.
Motion carried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
3) RENEWAL OF LIABILITY ADMINISTRATION AGREEMENT
Renewal of Liability Council reviewed staff's report. ,
Administration Agreement Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant to authorizE
R.L. KAUTZ & CO. the Mayor and City Clerk to execute an amendment to
the Services Agreement with R.L.Kautz & Co. establishin(
service fees of $5,700 per annum. Motion carried by
roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell*, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
1) SOUTHERLY ANNEXATION NO. 235
Council reviewed staff's report.
Southerly Annexation
City Attorney
presented:
No. 235
RESOLUTION
NO. 6292
- A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE
-CITY OF !JEST
COVINA, CALIFORNIA,
APPROVING THE
ANNEXATION
OF CERTAIN UNINHABITED TER-
RITORY (SOUTHERLY
ANNEXATION
NO. 235)
Motion by
Chappell,
seconded by Tice, and unani-
Adoption of
mously carried
to waive
further reading of the reso-
Resolution No. 6292
lution and to
adopt.
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2) EASTERLY ANNEXATION N0. 236
Council reviewed staff's report
Easterly Annexation C.ity Attorney presented:
No. 236 RESOLUTION NO. 6293 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA,
APPROVING THE ANNEXATION OF CERTAIN UNINHABITED
TERRITORY (EASTERLY ANNEXATION NO. 236)
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant, and unani-
Adoption of mously carried to waive further reading of the reso-
Resolution No. 6293 lution and to adopt.
HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT
SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER DESIGN SERVICES
Council reviewed staff's report.
Senior Citizen Center Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice to a) reallocate
Design Services a "not -to -exceed". -amount of $70,000 from the Housing
Development Support Program to the senior citizen center
-project for architectural and engineering services, and
b) authorize staff to solicit architectural and engineering
services. Motion carried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
"CITY ATTORNEY ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTION RE CABLE TELEVISION
Council reviewed staff's report.
City Attorney presented:
CABLE T.U. Ordinance ORDINANCE NO. 1506 - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING ARTICLE
II OF CHAPTER 11 RELATING TO FRANCHISES FOR COMMUNITY
ANTENNA TELEVISION SYSTEMS
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant, and unani-
mously carried to waive further reading of the ordinance.
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant to adopt the
ordinance. Motion carried by roll call vote:
AYES: Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
Adoption of NOES: None
Ordinance No. 1506 ABSENT: Bacon
Recess for Mayor Shearer called,a recess at 11:23 PM for the purpose
Redevelopment Agency of conducting the Redevelopment Agency meeting. Council
reconvened at 11:28 PM.
CITY MANAGER 1) LEGISLATION - SB 6
Council reviewed staff's report.
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice, and unani-
mously carried to oppose SB 6 and authorize the Mayor
to communicate.with appropriate legislators.
2) LEGISLATION - SB 314
Council reviewed staff's report.
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice, and unani-
mously carried to oppose SB 314 and authorize the
Mayor to communicate with appropriate legislators.
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SCAG Executive Committee City Manager Fast stated that the Southern California
appointees Association of Governments requested a delegate and an.
alternate..to the Executive .Committee.
Mayor Shearer appointed the Mayor as the delegate
and Tice volunteered to be the alternate. Motion by
Cha.ppel-l. seconded by Tennant, and carried unanimously
to,approve the appointments.
MAYOR'S REPORTS 1) RELOCATION APPEALS BOARD
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tice, and unani-
mously carried to instruct the City Manager to prepare
letters,'for the ten candidates and the Mayor to con-
tact- each:.
Mayor Shearer proclaimed the month of April as CPR MONTH.
COUNCILMEN'S REPORTS/COMMENTS
No reports or comments offered at the meeting.
APPROVAL OF DEMANDS Motion by Tice, seconded by Chappell to approve Demands
totaling $958,924.00 as listed on three check registers:
UCB 84493, UCB 84826, and the third number to be supplied
at the next Council meeting. Motion carried by roll call
vote:
AYES:. Tennant, Chappell, Tice, Shearer
NOES: None
ABSENT: Bacon
ADJOURNMENT
City Cl
Motion by Chappell, seconded by Tennant, and unanimously
carried to adjourn the meeting at 11:35 PM.
Mayor
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