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10-28-1969 - Regular Meeting - Minutesa MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL *he adjourned meeting by Mayor Gleckman, in -.was led by Councilman ROLL CALL Present: CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA OCTOBER 28, 1969 of the City Council was called to order at 7:30 P.M. the West Covina City Hall. The Pledge of Allegiance Nichols. Mayor Gleckman; Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd. Also Present: Lela Preston, City Clerk George__Aiassa.,__City Manager_ Nevin Brown, Les Craven, Dr. Meyer, Reverend Wm.Key, Bob Duncan Judge Jack Alex, Dr. Norman Snyder, Morton Fennman, Martha Reynolds. Robert Ebiner, Mr. Schons. JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE Mayor Gleckman: First order of business will be a letter from the''Chamber of Commerce approving the NAC Committee Report t (,-. -A_nd I would entertain a motion to receive and file. Motion by Councilman Chappell , seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried *Mayor receive and file�the lett'er�from the Chamber of Commerce approving NAC Rep. Mayor Gleckman: I would also ,•1_ k -x'to have... if the Council has the letters':>..I don't think the members of the NAC Committee have a copy of them. Could they glance through .it; ?Council -man Gillum: I haven't even seen it myself. Is it alright . if we read it first? Mayor Gleckman: Oh, I thought you said the meeting started at. 7:30 and for ten minutes you could have read the letter. O.K. Let's go onto a discussion of the formal report. Mr. Fineman, Dr. Snyder and members of the Advisory Committee. I know this has been a long expected. meeting requested by you and expected by us, and we appreciate the kind of effort, first of all,. that all of you have put into trying to fulfill the charge that me through this ... r "N' th is Council, as to making recommendations as to whow a municipality "ean get involved in. the very increasing narcotics problem. And after reviewing the report, I would like to have the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Ye:Finman, summarize in any way, shape or form, :,f he would like to, and kind'of start the ball rolling here. Mort' ,,Morton Fednman: Well,.the purpose of the request for this particular vw meeting was to allow our Chairmen of the various sub -committees to sit and discuss with you some of the specific feelings and attitudes they had that led to the recommendation of the program that is herein contained, as well as to discuss with you any questions or concerns you may have on any of the recommendations. The total idea that we have is, this is not specifically allocated towards West Covina although we did do it as a West Covina Mayor's Committee. But that in order to get this program really operating it has to become an inter -community function. And we're asking that this committee start sweeping up the cudgel- tolea,d the thing into action. for the whole San Gabriel Valley. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page two JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICSIADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Letter from West Covina Chamber of Commerce re NAC Committee report (Cont.) Morton Felhman: As you may or may not know, we've picked up (Cont.) some of the leads from here and have gone ahead with the Hot-line Plan. And this has been ' accomplished with about five school districts nd five cities in the community. Hopefully, we would then work toward he establishment of a committee, working from this particular proposal to divide up operative activities on all the segments. This is the initial.',. city, but briftg n the other cities with the support of a'.1.-,_ mayor and a council. Dr. Norman Snyder: May I add, that I think this report demonstrates one thing. That laws made by the national government or the legislature are,ofl;course, necessary, but this report doesn't come right out and say so: The burden of this problem rests right back with the community and the kind of people you have in the community. And being a ,metropoi:itan);area, we see this,lin, not only West Covina, but metropolitan communities and therefore elicit the help of neighboring communities. Mr. Weinman:, I think one of the interesting things that I have found since we've submitted our report, which was, I believe on September 8th, was when we presented it, we submitted it a little earlier than that. But since that time,that you remember in your reading, one of the things that your committee proposed seemingly, is coming into effect both State and National wise and I think it would beho*,`' -' _.�+ make issue of those things again and maybe supliment those agencies or those legislative bodies that are pushing for some of these controls by virtue of the fact that we have recommended it before and we agree with their belief and their recommendations. There was an article in the paper just the other day about a telephone...... I bring this up because this was one of your great interests, and I hope we might discuss this ..... a telephone contact down in San Jacinto with the Border Patrol in connection relating to automobile licensing, so as to be able to check into those people who are getting across the border if they know some information about them. And we found this out and proposed this, and I think it behooves us to bring this out, because many of the things we thought about are Drobably being thought about elsewhere and I think they just might need some support. Mayor Gleckman: Well, if I just may make another comment. It's amazing how 'wref lect ive the report is of the personalities that are on the Mayor's Advisory(�,-Oommittee. When I think about the recommendations and how they go from legislative to medical, to:�<:ph-ycological, to law enforcement, to young adults, to religious, to businessmen, and it's all contained in this report. nwas'm just kind of curious, before we go into this thing, whether/ e;,imake up of the committee that brought forth all the diffetent facets or whether the facets at.e.>picked up from some wide scope of interest outside. Mr. Feinman: Recognizing that this was a multi -facet problem earlier in our investigation, we figured that we would then call upon the membership in light of their specific performance of knowledge, as well as, they would be chairmen of this particular sub -committee that was agreed on, and the Committee in general operate as a committee as a whole. And what you see here are areas, and just fortunately for us..,, and maybe for the city, .that'- the Mayor and City Council,; are.- twolc> particular .people that fit into thEseparticular areas ,,that we think are necessary to be looked'at for a=a treatment and approach to the problem in general. Adj.. C.C. 10/28/69 Page three Mayor Gleckman: I think primarily what the City Council is reAlly interested in, and I think what the committee is interested inis,.that we discuss some of the recommendations, in fact all of the recommendations,that were made and then the Council, in my opinion, and again it's an individual opinion, I haven't discussed this with the Council, but)then set forth the implementation or recommendation of implementation from the staff to the Council with the thought in mind of what we can accomplish, not what 0-we can do, but what we can accomplish. Because there are many areas in NwWhich we cou11d �; t* probably touch on certain things and waste a lot of effort and I think that between the committee and the Council that we may be able to highlight the things that can actually get accomplished and put our best foot forward.on this thing and then help.in any way we can to do the other things that you recommend. Because there are some things in here that-N ar.ex,beyond our scope. In other words, we can lend our support, but we sure can't get it accomplished. So for the record, I'd like that to be known. ' I, Mr. F6inman: a committee or whether it to form a board that might that you feel, the Council Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Gillum: Mayor Gleckman: There is another area that we may be able to come to some decision about. And that is whether or not the committee will remain as in itself)or a new group might be combined in a sense start to activate this proposal .feels,that we should start moving in. Are there any questions by the Council before we go into the report? I have some questions on certain areas of the report. Are there any comments by the committee before we go into the report? Mr. F,elrnnan: I'd like to make one more, if I may. In • response to your particular questions that may be related to any areas of the program, I_ would like to direct the answers to the particular`,rcYiairman ' of the committee, if I may, and -so since I'm familiar with it, I will be happy to associate it with the......... Mayor Gleckman:- That's the best,way to do it. I'm sorry. Dr. Snyder: The formal recommendation begins on 22. I will say this. There are certain areas where there are minority opinions. Now, where the report was adopted in total, I would tend to recommend that each area of the report, if there are minority feelings by other members of the committee, they should be expressed. Mayor Gleckman:. I think anything, Doctor, even including some of.the opinions by the Council, that may not 92 fall in line with what the thinking of the committee might be- _Obbut that's the reason for the meeting.:, sjo that we can try to work 'it as a cohesive discussion as far as the Council is concerned and get`the benefit of your thoughts and even'our own. Why don't we start on page 22, which has legislative and administrative action. And there are.some specific recommendations and first, I believe, you talk aboutaarlblice(Department, and of course, again keep in mind we realize you're talking about areas that are not restricted only to West Covina Police Department, but the municipality.of West Covina in this particular situation can only work with our City Manager and Chief Administrative Officer. Mr. Fein -man: Once again, however, we felt that the laboratory, we hoped, would be in the West Covina`�infermaryv 1 <<`-, Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page four Joint Meeting with.NAC - Letter from West Covina Chamber of Commerce-(Cont-) Mayor Gleckman: That's part of the program tonight. Mr. F'Ohman: Right. s-�--�� - material -, � MayorXQleckman t: The analization of confiscated/reports drugs;17 first of allo.,,Wje appreciate the thought there ^'and of course. the thought was there when we buli'?lxt��f;fO' *he new police facilities. Now,.my question to the committee .would be, in your review or in your experience, do you have any particular recommendation for implementation. Because, we have been to Bonelli and we have beeito the Sheriff's Department and -we even had a comittment from the Sheriff's Department that no later than July lst they'.would make a decision. And then July lst came around and they said they didn't have the funds and they were training people that wouldc?:this laboratory, and that they would have an answer for us no later than the 15th of. September, and we're still waiting. Now ,,this is an election year`and it might not be a bad time to use a little publicity and pressure to.try to get something that we want. Mr. Aiassa, what's the latest on what the Sheriff's Department told us? Mr. Aiassa: Well, the same problem.. They admitted the first time that they hadn't recruited anyone and that they can't get the trained lab technikdta�ns that they have been looking for. And they have the appropriation. We checked their budget and they money's there. .­-4,And there's just a high demand in these technicians: And they should be doing a pretty good job, I'd say by November. They should have some definite answers by November. Dr. Snyder: May I ask you. If you're'planning on staffing that lab?,'My own,impression is that we wouldn't have enought,) work from,_T,the city of West Covina. It would have to be for the East San Gabriel Vallev. Mr. Aiassa: I think the whole objective thing.that we were • doing was for the City to provide the physical facility for them to utilize the lab and they were to provide the technician, either one, two or three days a week as the schedule seems written to.And they didn't say no t:o the idea, but in the meantime they were short handed in their main lab, and the reason they were short was because they were out gettinga recuitment and the work was piling up, so the only thing they were taking care, of was the top, top, top' priority and we;.:,poor little City out' in the boon docks, we just didn't get the relief or theJserv,ice we needed from them. Mr. Fe.nman: If you remember correctly, in our original proposal in this area, we even included the idea that if we could get a laboratory, that some consideration would be givenw�o the possibility of finding a service) a chemical analysis service that/ would sand the material to if funds were appropriated. Now, the reason I present this at this point in your thinking is, in light of our Hot-line operation, where we have some cities banded together and some school districts banded together and funds presumably presented to us from these cities, I wonder if we couldn't consider that possibility as another out, if we're< unable to get the particular service from the Seriff's Department or the cities. Dr. Snyder: What he's saying y ing is that there are':— ;. private laboratories available where you could • contract this.` Mayor Gleckman: I don't know now. I would refer now to the judgeC= and to the city attorney to find out, whether a city can, on its own,,in the aprehension and the idea of grabing the evidence, can we contract with private agencies and how would it stand up in court? Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page five Letter from West.Covina Chamber of Commerce re NAC-Committee Report (Cont.) Morton Fenman:' It would be my suggestion, first of all that pressures should`be brought to bare for a lab in the area of this particular facility that you now have)or a.lab somewhere in this particular valley. I think at'syour main thing that'the Council should concentrate on. Bring all the essure that is to bare upon the Board of Supervisors to establish a lab in this area. Failing that, which you may very well do, I think it's then encumbant upon you to do what some other cities are doing, like Glendora, and that's training a man in your,own department, whether you're using him parttime, or not, maybe one or two days a week or whatever you want to do, for the City of West Covina,if you fail in a centralized lab, which would be the best thing for the area. But if you fail in that, that you have your own man here, which is being done in other places, like Glendora, who.can make this type of analysis that we're asking of them,J{rcan testify in court. My own personal feeling is that I'think you're ruing into legal and technical problems in contracting with an agency that doesn't have the safeguards that Sheriff's laws or a polce law would have. And I think -yoi0 d m,. ,X have a lot of problems with your testimony in the courtroom if you do that. Dr, Snyder: What safe -guards? Mr. feinman: First of all, everything is looked up in a crime ' lab, and it's put into an Evans Locker and then everything is sealed and the chain of evidence, as it's called among lawyers, and this chain of evidence is very hard to establish, but you want t,o be sure that everything is sealed, locked, taken care of,and I'm sure that a private lab may be able to do it, but when they're not trained in the area and this is not the methodf that they usually operate in, it would be very difficult for them to establish the proper chain of evidence that would be necessary for a conviction to be held all the way through the court. 0ouncilman ?:(Nichols?) The putting in the locker,the taking the key, and this, etc.? Mr. Feinman: The, red tape the finger printing, the whole bit. I mean it's a system you get into in law enforcement, but I think it would be very difficult for this type of private agency to do this. Dr. Snyder: It would be difficult to train for somebody who wasn't -a chemist for a sort of.enlocation• I would't think that evidence would be acceptable either. Mr., Feinman: It's difficult,' -but it's being done and I think this is a secondary thing, I think the main thing is to Mayor Gleckman: I think the maintenance of the.chkin of evidence is moreimportant than the competence of the t echn is ian . Dr. Snyder: Well now, I don't think either one is more important than the other. I think you can find forensic chemists or criminologists, as Ishey're called. They're not a forensic chemist, they're not quite qualified,, they're criminologists, and I think themeare these people available. And I think you have people in the West Covina Police Department that would qualify for this, with very little extra training. And I think you could find a man that would qualify for this and be able to handle the necessary things that we ordinarily have with sepicals , barbituates and phenamines. And the things that we get hit with most of the time. It would be a little more difficult without the proper equipment for the LSD and other types of derivatives from different types of drugs., Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page six JOINT MEETING WITH. NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayo 0- leckman: The ideal thing though, is to 'staff a lab that tao uld supply the Valley. Dr. Snyder: Yuu will not°ice, however, that we didn't classify in the book the viewpoint of lab or pills. This is up to the Council to • determine. Mayor Gleckman: This is the reason why we're asking the questions, so that we can determine the problem under -.which, and the emphasis that, we( : want to•ryput_,on a particular recommendation. As I said, you can't do everything z... _..We're doing everything we can, but you can't do everything all at once, so we're taking it that way. Does the Council have any other questions regarding Item#A? Dr. Snyder: May I suggest regarding Item #A, that the Council could by resolutions,.which you send to the other cities, point out that you have an equipped lab and by resolutions from•different cities, political pressure where.. Mayor Gleckman: We have gone that route originally with the Chiefs of Police in the different municipalities. In other words, awe also had all the Chiefs petition the Board of Supervisors with the idea of this lab,and Sheriff Pitches said that he was not prepared at this time to decentralize the lab. That was really the problem. 3 O.Councilman Lloyd: We don't have an equipped lab, do we? Mayor Gleckman: We have a lab that could be easily equipped, but more difficult to, in other words, the equipping of the lab is' not really the problem. ecause we have the facilities, we have all the equipment. We can equip it. Councilman Lloyd: Just a minute. The question is, "Do we have an equipped lab." The answer is no, and that is what he asked. Mrs. Fineman: Well, you have the basic room for it. Mayor Gleckman: By equipped would infer not only the chemicals, the wiles,, but also would be to man it. And that's our°problem. Mr. Ferryman: You have a setting available that could be equipped that they would.come to. Mayor Gleckman: Exactly, we wouldn't be expected to equip a lab with no knowledge of who, what, where and when. Les Cravens:, Mr. Mayor, Can I take from what's been said, that the exploration has been made to the Supervisors and to the County for this facility? 'Rayor Gleckman: Yes. to a certain extent. And that's the reason for tonight. It will give -.aus an additional- mpetus. ,to make an additional effort if the Couric 1 sees fit. -Ms , Brown : -� Can I throw out a possible alternate course on this? I feel that we should have an expert witness in court. And if it requires that the City itself hires the individual that could be classified as an expert witness in court)and then billed back to the County,rather than being dependent upon the County to allocate the funds, and just,& itin reverse. Is there anything objectionable about doing that? ���' Adj. C..C. 10/28/69 Page seven JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont. Letter from West Covina Chamber of Commerce (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: I don'.At know, Russ. I really don't. This is not a field that I could give you an answer on and that's the reason why we're discussing it. •Mr. Brown: There's such a thing as a Joint Powers Agreement ` on something important like this. And basically, - we're involved in the commlinity of Covinap;N .La puente;', Baldwin Park and other Cities suroundlontacting the other Councilmen and possibly the Chiefsof Police and getting their feelings on this thing to see if they couldn't centralize it in our police department and go on a Joint Powers Agreement. Dr. Snyder: You have to throw out La Puente. It's a contract city. 2 /;;,)Councilman Lloyd I think,Mr. Mayor, there was a question, which was brought up, which I didn't understand, but I'm sure that you have the answer for me and that was.Mr. Cravin... Would you re -state your question before. Y% had stated a question and there was no answer to it, and I really did want the answer. Mr. Cravens.: I asked if they have explored the area and he said partially, they have. Mayor Gleckman:. Let me tell you what has been done so that everybody's aware of it. At the time of the building of the new Police Facility, the lab was included, with the idea that we could, in fact ther was even some joke about it. But it wasn't really funny, and �,:5..,:Ls; that was the tunnel that was going directly from the Police facility to the Citrus Court Building. •So that,r :;ewe could also transport the prisoners and we'd have the lab there to take the evidence right there and the whole idea was that we were going to be a central locatiRn in this entire area for what's a badly needed, and whafs proved out to be/badly needed, centralized lab. So, we had talked to Supervisor Bonelli, and Supervisor Bonelli said that until the time that the Police facility was completed that we should come back with him at that ��particular time. We talked with Supervisor Bonelli and we even wrote him a letter and we're on record requesting it and he referred us to the Sheriff's Department, who handled, evidently, the lab., 7_�� Am I correct, Mr. Aiassa? Mr. Aiassa: 1 Yes. Mayor Gleckman: And they in turn made an appointment to come out and talk with us about it. And they came r<L out a week before they were supposed toy' and=;t hey7 sat 'down and talked with Mr. Aiassa and they said and they looked at'the facility and they said, we have two, problems. First of all, we don't have enought trained people in the department so that we can staff this particular lab, and secondly, we don't have the money in our budget. Give us until July 1st, which is what I first said when I talked about the lab. Came Julylst_:f- I came to Mr. Aiassa's office, I said, it's July 1st, let's call the Sheriffl's Department. We did. At that particular time they still said they were having problems, but they had 14 interns that they •were training. We called again in September. They said they still didn't have the money,they didn't have the manpower and the Sheriff's Department hadn't decided as to whether to decentralize their lab. And that's as far as it's gone. So, we've made a couple of passes at it. Mr. Aiassa, do you have anything to add? Mr. Aiassa: Yes. Well, we did accomplish one thing and that was we explored the back -log of work that had accumulated. And it was quite an astonishing - thing to the Sheriff's Office why some of the stuff hadA'i t come out. Well, our probing at. least brought that up.to where they got to a point where they got rid of all the stuff that was hanging, --fire and had not been processed. They're pretty well up to date as far as the need of the Adj., C.C. .10/28/69 Page eight JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Aiassa: evidence, but what we're looking for is something "(Cont.) almost instantaneous. For example when we find the evidence, we don't have to wait 60 �,Z) days. 'Mr . Feinman : ``'n That's `wham we found in our investigation and that's why we're proposing. Dr. Snyder:. How lmany month' 3 items are sent here per week or per h'-average `v ;''Jud'ge Alex::°r From West Covina? Dr. Snyder': ;:;From West Covina only. `'Jud'ge Alex: A substantial amount. But let me explain to you what your problem is, so you can see why you need to do this. All right. Why you need to do this and why I think that this is high_�a-,._, priority; #1).._ There are .. two pretty involved ways this is importaYt;;Uoo " Number 1, :�. It's important to the individual.person who gets arrested for this particular offense; that there's an immediate analysis, so that he doesn't have, Ia case of felony hanging over his head. All right, that's number one,%,/,01at's important. Important are those individuals ...'and if it was you that didn't happen to bea narcotic or a drug, you'd be unhappy sitting in a jail, etc. #2) i.t's important to the individual community, society, because this is what �.`.is happening at the present time... and I disagree with George as to the burden being caught up with, because it.isn't. Because I see it every day and it's not. See, what happens is this. A person, Joe Punk No.l, gets arrested for a narcotic violation, and he's a very serious criminal, and you can tell that in all probability what it's going to turn out. He's Punk No.l, all right. So you know that, and it comes time for his preliminary hearing and his bail has been set'at $5,000, because youk1 know, you have to have him appear in court and all.. and this guy is dangerous to society and •he's got -all the other things. His bail is set at $5,000. All right, and he appears in court o,'n the day of his preliminary hearing and the District Attorney stands up in court and this is done every day, numerous times. He stands up in court and says,"Your Honor, I'd like to make a motion for a continua)nce',' and the public Defender or the private attorney who's representing. him says, "Wait a minute, the man has a right to a speedy preliminary hearing. I object to any continuance. What's it for?" The District Attorney stands up and says, "Your Honor,' he says, "The evidence hasn't been analized yet." He says, and whatever it is, dangerous drugs, pills,"It hasn't been analized yet;' and I can't possibly put on the case today, I need a continuance. So, a bargain is struck up between the Defending Attorney and the District Attorney, to let the man out,.on his own recognisance, just let him out of jail, in order for him to agree:, to a continuance. And that is the standard procedure.. And remembering that we should be fair to the individual fine, but we should also be fair to society, and that's a detriment to your society, when you're letting a man out o:OD2,jail, not because of the equities that he should be let out, but because of the fact that the evidence has not been analized. And that's being donLAumP:le-19,Utim.eseach week in our court locally here, and that's the problem that .you're cf.aced„with if you're concerned about your community. Tdr.Aiassa: Well, let me anslwer the question. Maybe I didn't complete my remark. We investigated with the Sheriff's Office and they showed us the volum • of work they had. The jobs they run. But in comparison to what they had was 20 times worse than Jt was thent,0W,and it is now 10 times worse than it should be. Tr.Feinman: "rz..You've really,got a real job. k;�Mr. Feinman Well,'basically,.there's a need. And I think this is what this is what we're .... and I'm glad that we had Orin in court. We recommended that something be done and something be done soon. And we're even proposing the idea that maybe we can do it, we as citizens. -,can do it)with the aid of pressure from other communities involved. And I think if we could possibly proposef' this, Dr. Snyder, through the Hot-line Committee Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page nine JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) (Cont.) Mr-Aiassa:' when we get this developed, if we're unable to do � it any sooner. Dr. Snyder: Well, this is the reason I wanted to know the volumn. If there's that large a volumn, then why do we continue to ask the Sheriff's Dept. •If there's enough volumn to justify hiring our own. Mr. Aiassa: Well, now there are two .questions we'll come 't.ou now and I think we should... the court district is bigger than the city of West Covina. So when Judge Alex is talking about the evidence that goes through that court, well the court encompasses a large area. It's.a Citrus Court District. Judge Alex::. That_'s�why_ my suggestion 5t to you is, 'Numberzj:one lr.aYou should try to get your localized labJfor the whole area. #2) If you can't do that, then get a man that you can use for morethan one thing. I don't think you'd have enough work for him full-time in West Covina alone. I think you'd have to train a man... Glendora has a man they use and they've trained kivand they've sent him to college and they've trained him'''.in this particular area. They've paid for it, they've done everything else. He can now testify as an expert in court, and they use him to cover what they have in Glendora, which is a lot less than what you have from West Covina, and the rest of his time he does the other duties of an officer. Mayor Gleckman: Good point, Judge. Thank you. Is there any other comments? Councilman Gillum: I'm wondering along this same thing of what you brought out as far as the other cities , is it possible to in order to avail ourselves of the man's time completely on this, if we can work out some agreement •like we have as far as Mutual Aid, with the surrounding communities..... have them in contract with us for this service? I'm sure it would be a great relief to the court 1f these other cities could have the same service. and I'm sure that with what's involved here that we could keep one man full-time working in the lab. I think if we could`go that route and contract with the other cities... Dr.Snyder:' Do;you have to pay the Sheriff's Department or is that part of your taxes? Mr. Aiassa: That's done on the court fees. I think you've got another problem, too, and I think it's one _ that I'm very much concerned about ... Is that that we're paying_for County services in our city bill .... we're paying for services:. and a 1;1; .why are we subsidizing the County Services when we don't get anything at all per se in relationship to on;e of the services that they can provide _tJ us with.- a, good service,, �4) least . If they can't provide any other servieev�th-egive us a service that they can provide. And this is whythe Mayor an I have y pushed the pressure.on this areas;:_:, By Jacob, The Sheriff's Office in that particular 'phase is a very?im`portant• phase and we're- getting our pro -rated share of this. Dr. Snyder: Perhaps political, but we_-4� :=,l have a letter from the Police Chief, letters from the Judges or the Bar Association. Mr.Aiassa: We did everything, I think we had half the Sheriff's office down here trying to resolve thOroblem. Adj . ,C. C. 10/28/69 Page ten JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COA EE (Cont.) ,Judge Alex: The Sheriff doesn't want to let anything go. You've got to realize politically he's not going to let that god He's not going to let you.have the area, he's going.tom­-:.`.,:�.-fight everything ossible to decentralize. He wants to keep everything down town and keep it centralized locally. ouncilman,Gillum- I think, basically, what I gotout of this total program, this total report, was that there are certainly things, if not all of them that are very urgent to do right now. Now, can we afford„as a community,to wait until Peter Pitchess decides that he's going to let us have something.out here? My own personal opinion is, and alparently in this area, is that something has to be done and has to - be done very quick. Because, I think after this one, some of the other stepslwill actually come almost automatically with this one thing.... 1 Mayor Gleckman: Well, let's come back to this. We know where we are, I think.I We know how urgent it is. The action that has to be taken, I'd like to take] when we get through with some of these other.things.- So, letb cover, again as much as we can.. Let°me introduce Adrian Arnot.. Who's the man who represents the community from the Chamber of Commerce,.who almost simultaneously started their own particular commlittee investigating: similar facets. We appreciated the letter from the Chamber; Adrian. Would you have anything you'd like to generalize on right now? And if so, how long? 'Adrian Arnot. It m just entering my 36th hour of a very busy time. I won't say very much and I doubt if it will be very coherant� But, we're very proud to endorse this report. We studied it very thoroughly. We found a,=nothing `' -- to criticise, rather d_certain points in which to emphasize, and we hano further suggestions really. But it was a surpr;ise.to me. I've chaired committees before And.when you have 12 people on alcommittee, you're liable to have &eople going twelve different directions. And -it was a surprise to me that two committees under different directions could come up with the same thing, in this matter. But,.of course, it's so serious that there are hardly two wa s,'to look at it. Si�! �o, we are ver Y Y � < proud to endorse this. - ;; , Mayor Gleckman: Good, I appreciate your.coming this evening. Adrian Arnot,: I'd.like to ask to be excused so I can go home and go to bed., Mayor Gleckman: O.K. Thanks Adrian. George,.�_­.. Item B here is a, recommendation that I'm sure that our. Police Chief must be aware of. I'd like to find out just what your feelings are on this. There's a Federal Narcotics Bureau that has a two week program that*'you're aware of.', I Mr. Aiassa:. We're sending them to that. Mayor Gleckman:. We're doing this all the time? Mr. Aiassa: That's rightl we have it in. -our budget and it's allocated toithis... ?dr.Feinman: Does this include every patrolman? 0r. Aiassa: Well, we have got a problem.- You've got patrolmen that are coming and going, so we try to at least let them build a twelve month established area that they're going to be with us for some time. Because, if we keep sending them to the Academy for basic training!, then keep sending them to these other schools to get other things, by the -time we really mark down the dollars and cents that have gonethroughout their Police, We're pretty well set 6; behind in that operation. Andialso, we're letting out the man to take these courses that are in the detective section or in the investigation section -that are going to be specialists in these areas and they're getting the experience and we're also giving some of the newer officers that haven't had any experience the opportunity to }go.- Adj.'C.C. 10/28/69 Page eleven JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: Mr. Aiassa: 4gartha Reynolds Mr. Aiassa: 'fir . Cravens There's one particular.... Also, I've got a manpower to maintain and a service to maintain. Mr. Aiassa, how many have attended this, this year? I' d have to look at the last requisitions, but I know::., I'd,just approved requisitions for some, I think not too long agrro. At the time I checked, I believe that there were only two or three in the Department that had been to it. Mr. Aiassa: Now,,we have problems and I say it's rather difficult is, that when you take men out for this length of time, unless you have a reserve back -power you're depleating the services of the patrolmen, and you're actually depleating a lot of services. And then you get it compounded with a series of illnesses like a flue epidemic or something, you're really fighting a rather difficult cause. 7dr.Cravens:Y We went so far as to discuss the possibility of calling in.the Sheriff's Department to temporarily take over.the duties and let a large group go at once: `dr.Feinman: We have this as what we thought was the alternatel:j but we're also thinking in this concept here of possible supplemental funds from the Safe Streets Act and probably increased in°service training right here in the community. K ut this was the ultimate and this is what we'd like to have, so we might ot be able to get the top, but we think that something should be done where all are a -ware. Dr. Snyder: The reason we suggested all, is to a certain extent,;, we've got a police force that are General Practitioners They operate traffic, they operate in..... instead of having just a few specialists trained, since a�llpatrolman do operate as General Practitioners, they :_,,._._��:> all should be trained. Mayor Gleckman: I agree Doctor, but I also have to consider their daily duties and their daily jobs in the City of West Covina and I think in order to adequately do this in the length .of time that you'rd talking about, you'd more or less have to bring in the reserve police force to take over all their duties for a period of time. This isthe simple reason that we're not laying back with the six or eight, plus, policemen on aour payroll. Dr. Snyder: That's the advantage of being a committee instead of a Council. We don't have to think of money. Mayor Glec.kman: I understand, That's exactly right, and I think that in making the Council aware of this program. I don't know how many members of the Council, but I myself as not aware that such a program existed. It puts the pressure on us to put he pressure on the Chief Administrative Officer to say, Hey, how about that. So, you madeyour point. Dr. Snyder: Also there may be an alternative of having the train- ing come here. l� '.Nr..Feinman: ; Under the Omnibus Commission Act, this could be arranged where they could even come out on their own with supplemental incomefar; that, educational purposes. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page twelve Mayor Gleckman; You.had a comment? 'young Man: Yes, I was wondering, maybe the officer can answer this for me.' Perhaps, under this program wouldn't the City of West Covina be elgible for the Grant Need Program under the Federal Government? Or. Cravens: Well, we are getting Grant Need on other training programs. The point I want to make this committee L-, aware of, is that th(ise police officers are bang trained, in about seven or ten specialities. I have one that's going t o a class now on -juvenile and the other.one's going on burglery, another one's going on bad checks, another one'4eneral oing on all these other things and you've got to, as Norm says, you're practitioners, but you've got to be a semi-trained`eneral practitioner. So pretty soon you'll have a grand f inale there . ;f sy, :{ .You ` 11 call on the pol ice Department and you'll say, who's on patrol; "ell let me take a look at the roster, Joe's at school, and Frank is gone, soyou do have a performance to do and the first priority we have to do is to serve the City, to be sure we're with the beats and all to safe -guard the people. Mayor Gleckman: I think we ought to go on from this. Again,,we appreciate the recommendation,' Mr. Aiassa's aware of it, ,we're aware that's its not being fulfilled to the extent that what the committee's recommending, but .lets go on. Another thing, you say that there's.an ordinance that could be added to the Municipal Code. Now, Mr. Aiassa, too bad our City Attorney isn't here so that I could get an interpretation. First. of all, can it be added and to what extent can it be enforced? Dr. Snyder: Now, I might•.. I researched this.... �ayor Gleckman: You ex -Councilmen are all alike. Go ahead. Dr. Snyder.: This falls under the health code and we've. adopted the. state health code - right? �� Thappell: That's right Mr. .Cravens:. You ex -Doctors are all alike. Go ahead. Chappell-: a, s So whether we can add our own r_amendments to the State. Health Code is,in truth, a question for the City Attorney. Later on we'd recommend that this be made a State Law,too. Mayor Gleckman: I understand, but I want to take this right in the order in the manner in which you're recommending 1� \ and then .\ ;� find out if we can do it, how we can do it, and then we'll answer the question, when we're going to do it. Dr. Snyder; Now, this is a real problem of Doctors and drug stores, however, because... nudge Alex: I' was under the impression`in calling on a few Doctors,that there are regulations as to how the things are disposed of right now ,"on the book by law? Dr. Snyder: No, theyr'_-re not by law, they're only recommendations. Zr .Feinman: They're just suggestions, there's nothing -to enforce `:City Manager: Because I remember some things had to be destroyed right while I was there, because they said it was a law., In other words, it's not a law, it.'s just a recommendation. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page thirteen JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder-: Just.a recommendation. IOIr . Fe inman : O.K. , fine. Thm k you. Mayor Gleckman: Well, I think its a good point. If it at all could be added to the Municipal Code"and we could enforce • it without being preempted by the State Health;, Code,, well fine. Dr. Snyder: The reason ifs becoming more important is that disposable syringes are becoming more and more in use. You use them once.... ,it's for the second time... %r. Fe inman: _ Yes, for the second ca?s.e Mayor Gleckman: O.K. 'Mr.Cravens: There are a tremendous amout of samples being given out,too, by the pharm�ic,eutical houses and we have actually found -waste cans full of samples in back of certain doctor's offices,.you see. Dr.Snyder: And drug stores. Mr. Cravens: And drug stores. This is what we're trying to off -set. Igr. . Fe inman : Dr.. Snyder: *aught ahold of it. In other words you're making the person who has posession of the original vehicle to be disposed of in the proper way so that it can't be reused? Under Civil Law he's liable now. Anybodysfoolish wi•to throw out a hyperdermic syringe or dangerous drug, because he could be sued severally if he's ,:r. Feinman:r Yes and if they could trace it back to him. Mayor Gleckman: I'll still... Or. Snyder: You will notice however that we didn't state dangerous drugs, if.you remember, we just said discarded drugs, by`=virtue of the fact that any combination of drugs that were found in a garbage -pail could become dangerous to the person who ingested them. Mayor Gleckman:, Well, let me ask you a mquestion. Why did you include:_.- the hypodermic needle and the syringe. in the discarded drugs? In other words, why wouldn't that be in another category completely? In other words, you're talking about the instruments in which,I gather,these things are made to work, or injected. And I'm.just kind of curious.... 'Nudge Alex: Well, some drugs are injected and some drugs are ingested. You know some are...... Mayor Gleckman: No,no, no.... but you wouldn't ingest or digest a `Dr. Snyder: syringe or a hyperdermic You're really asking why needle' we didn't make two proposals? Mayor Gleckman: That's exactly right. -I'm just kind of curious. `pr. Snyder:_. It's what's found in back of the doctor's offices the discarded unreusable syringes that are re -used; the drugs that are samples that are-•_;;dthrown out and it's just what you find..... we want.a municipal code where they pick that up and discard.<a it. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page fourteen JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) ,Mr. Feinman: We want someone to go and clean them out before they throw them out into the garbage cans. That's really what we're after. Dr. Snyder: ..I can suggest one answer for.this and that's to .... have the disposal service have a pick-up release c. • truck. `p1r. Feinman: That's what we have talked about., A Tuesday pick-up, just for drugs. Mayor Gleckman: First of all, I think the idea is good, but from the standpoint of the municipal code and this is really what -I'm getting at', as to whether this body can accomodate this type of legislature, is what I'm really curious about. We can always make'a recommendation-, but it's a question as to whether we can actually legislate and enforce. T)r. Snyder: I think that's something for you to discuss with your City Attorney. Mayor Gleckman: The City Attorney••. that's the reason why I want. to skip over it right now. Dr. Snyder: There's_one'background matter. Hypodermic syringes and needles there'.s equipment that you can buy that crushes them or something,but this -would add and extra expense. But there are -two -ways of doing -it. Forcing everybody to buy that piece of equipment or having•a regular pick-up. Mayor Gleckman: Right. Except remember now, you put _in here municipal code, as you said,��; ?later on you may get to the State, but right now, we're talking 0 bout municipal. So wel-e talking about within the City limits of the City f West Covina or under our jurisdiction. So we have tot'®,'.c,: take that up with our City. Attorney. So, let's go on with they r 9r . Feinman': This is for state legislation. • .mo Mayor Gleckman: I was going to say, now you have several State Legislative recommendations..... r t gr. Feinman: Which we're proposing to the City Council for..... Mayor Gleckman: For resolutions to the State. Now my question to you would be, now you know, we can make a resolution and we can send it to the State Legislature and we in turn get all kinds of very nice letters back, but.our Assemblymen and our State Senators.say, we sure appreciate your sending us that resolution, .We're looking into it as soon as we can.. Or Assemblyman so and so introduced Bi]i)AB 6732 & 4589, etc and this.... my question is this is swell, but, there should be some other t ype of•t� method in which we could take. it to a particular legislature -or a particular legislative body, with some firm recommendation that we could get _ disposal of that. Either, it's going to a committee, it will be introduced, it's not going to be introduced, instead of,just,.it's a.nice.idea, thank's a lot, and forget it. r 'Brown We don't care about the mechanics. You can certainly ~ V call your" assemblyman)ynuulike best and have the best rapor with and have "him introduce it. Mayor Gleckman: My point is, the recommendations you make here for state legislation are.very good and there's really no reasons for us to discuss it. That's my point) `Unless you have a method in which we can get it introduced and put into practice much quicker than the normal procedure that we would normally take Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page fifteen Dr. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: r Dr. Snyder:, Mayor Gleckman; r `IAr . Fe inman : I think it would. be best to work through an, but I think all assemblymen should receive a copy of it. Yes, well I would say, Camb:bell.L'ic* would' probably be our best bet being a local man who's from our.... sit's on,. -I think, the head of the committee. There are background items on lots of these._ I know, but my.point is that we don't go through each one of these to actually set up the type of resolution that we should enact. All but item 11. Mayor Gleckman: No, you,skipped over one. How about the Judges) and you happen to have one on your committeeF."L* . I'd like to get his opinion as to how we couidf.MY go about having the State ... in other words, they have a judicial committee guess/ that I g probably gets involved in these -things and Z�—­..:.;.:,.. .,............ .;,� Jack, I would ask you, you have items 5 & 6?=�"' Mr_ Fe.inman : And 4. Mayor.Gleckman: And 4, that are dealing specifically with obligations, you might say, that the judges take upon themselves. Because if you put,it through legislation, I think whie>h would be a good idea, but you're starting to legislate now a particular position which is .... I think.they have enoughiAto do as.it is. ?Ar . Brown: Mr. Mayor, can I interject something in. here? • Mayor Gleckman: Sure. �M .Brown: In the summarization of our report )to avoid 'any q rep�tion)we combined many items -in the -final report of recommendation. They are merely for your summarization and consideration. And whether you want to discuss them pointedly, is up to you, but I think that if you ytg6 into the resea,r:ch-cn� material that we,,v,-went into and analized it and tied,it in with the recom- mendations, .you''�d, find out just exactly the poini'�'that we're trying to .stress. Dr. Snyder.: I think some of the background material isn't here, but for instance # 6, didn't come from the Judges/ but from,: well.our chairmen ...... --�---ter--; Mayor Gleckman: Well, I'm trying .to get the Judges -reac:tions. He would be a part of the plan that's affected.'"` Dr. Snyder: Well he wasn't here the night -that's ...... `Judge Alex: Let me just say this. Now, whose ..:w.'cre saying that they should be required periodically to visit these detention facilities. Number one, you're going to have to come up with some way,or somehow...how're you going to t'6 make' judges do this"P F first of all':,?:' . . Mayor Gleckman: Do you know the reason why we made this? 'Judge Alex: I'm sure that I know the reason why we made it and it is a good one. But.the point is, how are you going to implement it? This is what the Mayor is asking. Mayor Gleckman: That's exactly right? Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page sixteen JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Judge Alex: That's all, these are proposals here and all he's asking is, and it's a good recommendation and I agree with it, how are you going to implement it. If you can't implement it and the City Council.can't do anything about it, that's another problem. But, I'thihk)they can do.s.omething about it. I'll speak to that point. First of all, there are a number of judges that do this and there are a number of judges that try to go to these facilities • every opportunity they can.- I've gone to San Quentin, I've gone to all of these facilities. Then you have other judges that could care less - about going to them. And I've spoken to this subject before, in San Diego,. But I think that the City,Council can, .as the City Council_of Covina is going -to do very shortly, is to sit down and to ,.all of your local judges. I don't know how far you can go. I don't think that you can go up.to the judges in Urika. I don't think this Council is going to be able to have any power over the judges sitting in Long Beach. You might be able to make a recommendation as to implementing #6 with the legislature or with the judicial ..., council. It is possible, I don't think it would have much effect, but I do think that with your local judges, municipal and superior, the local ones that cover your particular area. I think that you can invite them to your City Council and discuss ^ - :>these points with them., Mayor Gleckman: I was talking about specifically, Jack, #5, too. ' In other words, that the state and county should require judges to obtain training in social and phy`.cological problems. Now, in what manner,again, are we talking about, a c.liss or a course? ? Judge Alex: Well, I think.that could be done. I think that at the present time there is no requirement for a judge to take any type of particular training nowhere. There is a school which I attended for two weeks up at Be%ely for judges and there" are orientation courses and other things, but everyone of them is done voluntarily'. You don't have to go and many judges would care less about ever going. Then you're going to find some judges that are interested'that would go. Now;what these things are particularly pointed to are the ones that could -care less. They should be ;going. And the point is at the present time it is possible that you could propose to the legislature, and this is going to have to be State action, through your Judicial Council and your Superior Court, to require such a course and I think it -would be very good if you could. I-l"Adn't think locally you're not going to be able to raquire any particular judges. You see the problem is that many judges consider themselves to be God and you're not going to tell them what to do. And there are many other judges that will be willing to ,cooperate with you, and the point is that you've got to reach these gods`' Wr. Feinman: Jack, is there a force, is there an organization] '� superyisorial .position that couldbe is there a� reached and they in turn could say, " . 0_1-"!n we wish that you would attend the class at the University of Southern California Institute of Physicology and Law, which is ,-`,.one of the first things that we were talking about. Judge. -Alex: requirement and • what to do. TIr . Fe inman : Judge Alex: And the Gods at the present time would say,' hey:;, shove itk' ` Take the course and shove it," at th present time. The point is that there is no there's no agency at the present time that tells.them� poling place six years I see, no'locali requirement in light of the job. There's.only one kind of people that can tell me what to do)and you're it. You're it, and the only way you're going to tell me what to do is at that from now... 5 years from now, and that's all. That's the only boss I've got, is you )and you can bring pressure on me. -Adj.'C.C. 10/28/69, Page seventeen JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Rr. Feinman: I think h ;reiterat >?gs are pointed you know. They have the legal knowledge, they have the judicial ,,-),knowledge, but we as a community feel that they should have social and l"Rph,y�c'ological knowledge. And it has to come through some mechanism and I.think h3-3s point is well taken. It's got to come through �iat or legal....... 1 I,)J Dr. Snyder: I_would suggest that maybe a letter be written with these recommendations through either the legislature or to the judicial council, whatever that is. Mayor Gleckman,: Well let me....; . Dr..Snyder: I'm explaining our reason. Mayor Gleckman: Well, ;0_,K. , but irk order so that we won't be repetitive later„L'm �ustsOyn_kthat with the Council's permission I intend to have­a�Vcopy of the report go to every legislature in.the State of California, both in the Assembly and to the State Senators and to the particular ones that are on the judicial , committee.. I vio uld put a'little note in saying please see page 23 that has to do with.,„Now the4follow-up to me is the important thing. In other_ words when you get the acknowledgement of the rest of these things, then�.�- what do you do with it? Do you leave it lay and say, hey, we've done our job as a municipality.or do you follow through. And if you do follow through, what manner do you follow through and -who does it? Remember we're a lay body also. Dr., Snyder: Governmental body. Mayor Gleckman: We're still a lay body, we're not full-time even • s though we act that way. This isn't our livelihood. Mudge Alex: Let me just take for example. Let's take your particular area. All right. Your particular area covers, let's take at I think you could do. All right, I think.that you might not have.much follow through, but number 5,,'y6u'd,like to have them have training in"social and physicological problems,, ,Alright now, you ask the judges locally to come before your Council, and you ask them, "Look, this is something that we've had a lay committee working on and they thinkfthat they would like to have you do these things: And judges have f inalic ial . roblems " p just like everybody else and they may not be willing to pay for these courses, But you might be. willing to say, look we'd even -be willing to pay fDr theseycourses)at Mt. Sac or wherever it is or anyplace locally and we would like to be able to show that our particular community and our particular judges would be willing to attend these types of courses so that we could show the people in this community they have taken these types of courses and they understand these types, of problems. Mayor Gleckman: Very good,.Jack. Judge -Alex: Now, how many of you would be willing to attend.and -� you lay it right on the line for them, you know;- and it's published right there, bang, bang, bang - hey' �> Fath',er Key: There's another problem. MayorGleckman: Go ahead Bill. ^� `Father Key: Is there any possibility then of getting these cases .referred to those Judges who have had training in these areas and not to one who has not? Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page eighteen JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: You don't have a problem with the prosecution, you have a problem with the defense. Dr. Snyder: We make that recommendation later. • Mr. Feinman: We propose that ,V _ this be.;considered, but u _ _ at the present time,it isn't div:fed up in this manner. (YJim Lloyd I t hink, Mr,. Mayor.... Mayor Gleckman: Go ahead, Councilman Lloyd: I think that Judge Alex has brought out a very -"-pointed point. And I think that,,f first of all,the average person who achieves the bench. assumes and society assumes,,that he's capable of handling the social and psychological problems that'are presented,to him, certainly the socialogical problems which exist today,,and this is ome. of those problems and ,he feels he has an ability to.... Judge Alex: Now, but Jim, that's where you're wrung. Cause, you can take this bunch right here. You have five judges and a Councilman. You've got those judges that have never been to college. Never had one day of college, that have never had a course of any type in any type of psychology, socio._logy or anything else. They've been to law school, but they haven't been to college) and they haven't had any liberal arts education,JThey've had none of these types of courses and they may think they've got that, but they don't. Councilman Lloyd: Well, I concur that we are faced with the problem certainly in the academic world,but the fact remains that once the man has achieved the bench • probably the!';) very man you want to reach is the �' `� very man you can't reach. Isn't that true? Judge Alex: Not unless you put it to him on the line,where he's .;got; "to face the problem and your City Council. Mr. Feinman: But he would face the problem -if this becomes a City issue. Dr. Snyder.: We may not be able to reach him right now, but certainly we can change the legislature for future judges. Councilman.�Lloyd: What legislature? What do you call legislature? Mayor Gleckman: Now, well I think the point�.the Judge is making here is a very pointed one,and that is,that even though we may be limited legislatively, we're not limited municipally from taking municipal action< �,-:,.by the representatives of the local electorate,being the City Council,to request —this of the local judges who are also representatives of the electorate. J :[Right? Martha Reynolds: There's nothing like a group of mothers to come to a meeting like that either. Dr. Snyder: I_don't mean to be facesious, but did you know I) phycologically Judges are most likely to give the most... the hardest penalties in the things they're most likely to do themselves. Mayor Gleckman: Never mind the philosophy Doctor. Wr. Feinman: I'd like to add that in the last month, I've had calls from two judges in this area requesting information from me on how to handle a certain caIs where there were physicological':�7``r?problems and they didn't know what Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page nineteen ? (Cont.) to do with this kind of a case and they called Mr. Feinman: me in my office to get some suggestions on these. I think they do have an interest and I'think at times they probably wish they knew a little bit more about these aspects of it, so they could rule more efficiently. Mr. Ebiner: We may`.be offering them something that they really have wanted to receive, but have never been able • to ask themselves. Mayor Gleckman: That's true,Bob. Bob Ebiner:, May I comment, Mr. Mayor, I take issue with you Judge. I have a great deal more respect for the Judicial than has been expressed here this evening. Certainly there are exceptions, but by and large I feel very strong about that point, and I'm a little concerned that somebody at this level is going to say,well now, you take this kind of a course or else we're going to recall you, or were going to see to it that you're not re-elected. Well, this is the implacation that's being suggested, and I think that there is a body which does provide the-wherew_ithall;the means whereby the judges can go to Berkely. There's also a'judge's college. I believe many of the judges from L.A. County have gone to Denver, Colorado.,. -.`-?.to take training, and if this were going to be on the bassis from the State level I would concur with the thought in mind. But I'm very concerned that a City CounciiVin'a judicial district is going to say,now we want our judges to take course No.102-A at Mt. Sac in the physicology of the sex offender, or for the narcotic user. I'm not so sure that course, A No.102-A is what he should be taking in the first place and who's going to set up this criteria on this level. So, I would like to leave that thought in mind. Mayor Gleckman: Bob, I agree with you as far as you went, but you're surmizing now that the Council is going to take the type of action as to the type of courses .that judges are going to take, and I can only say that what I got from Jack's suggestion was that the City Council sit down with the judges and say we're aware and we're concerned withthe narcotic problem within:'our -- community as well as the social and physicological problem ands we would like to know�and we feel that)if it would be advantageous maybe to the judges to get additional information on dealing with these problems, if we can assist in any way. And I think if we put it on that basis and I think that's the basis which it's meant, because I would no more think of giving a directive to the judges than I would think of them giving a directive to us outside of their realm. So., I agree with what both of you are saying, but I'm trying to say that we're looking for.the chance in which we can help, not direct. ,Tudge Alex: O.K., Let me go a little bit further with that. Now you have your City Policemen at the present time that you want to up -grade, and so many Agencies, I know that Covina does, I'm not sure what West Covina does. �,Vhey pay for the course for the City Policemen to go to college, and if you sit down with you judges, and I know a couplb. of judges who are having a real tough;'Ybdthink they make a lot of money.. they're having a tough financial problem and everything else. You sit down with them and you talk witt them and you say, look, we've been going all over this. You lay it all out for them. You try to get cooperation from them and you explain to them, look, if it would be of any benefit to this particular program,and this is •a.proposal to your city council;we're"making, and we would even be willing to help with the courses in this if you think it would be advocated to take them. That's the idea. -discuss it with them is the thing. I disagree with Bob, and I know,I'm s-itting there with them. I hold the judges in a lot of respect, but I know some of them have never had any college education) except law. It's nice to read books on law and everything and to lay it out for you, but there's other things that F;--'involved in law. Adj.' C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty JOINT MEETINT WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman; Well, we don't intend to put anybody down in any particular class and especially one that we're really not responsible for, so to speak. But we requested recommendations from this committee, in every phase, and this is just one phase. We may getn�to the point, and I'm sure in this report we will et where we say that the parents aren't fulfilling their obligations. We an't pass legislation that will say, you must do this in your prElvate home, but we could be the impetus in getting them interested in what's happening in their home where they didn't have that interest before. And I think that'sthe basis on which th(y recommended9c n and we hope will be followed through by the Council. Really, that's the light in which we're talking about. One Of the young adult members of your group, don't all.of you stand up. at once, has something to say'-. `...:� Young Man: I. was wondering, couldn't this best be sumarized y{ by saying that the Council should act as sort of a public lighted pressure group,in other words. Mayor Gleckman: Take the pressure out of it and you're.in good shape. J Young Man: Well)you know, like sitting down with these five judges -and talking with them and asking them what their views are. Mayor Gleckman.: Going along with the recommendationAthat's the only way it which I feel ever could beaor should beldone. In other words, from the standpoint of..... Dr. Snyder: I would add one thing further. If you do this, enlist maybe as many of the other city councils along at the same meeting. .Mayor Gleckman: We'd have to make it a public meeting though, Doctor, because of the Brown Act.: Dr. Snyder: I agree with that. 'councilman Nichols: Or maybe five judges ,v�­i and about 30 Councilmen, you think that would make it better.? Mayor Gleckman: And 3,000 housewives. Cl Dr. Snyder,: Judge Alex. has suggested that maybe the City pay for it.. I don't think that legally West Covina could but a group of cities could. Mayor Gleckman: No, you wouldn't even have to be concerned there. Dr. Snyder:, I don't think legally we could. Mayor Gleckman:, Let me:ojust say, from that point of view and I say this sincerely, that we have enough good minded citizens in this community that would very well come to the front to'bore the expense of doing anything that they can see the fruit... the tree bear fruits. I was speaking of guys like Russ.. • Councilman Nichols: I really appreciate that. Mayor Gleckman: - Believe it or not, I have several citizens within our community, and their names will go unmentioned because that was the reason they called me, that they have X amount of dollars to put into programs such as this, but they would like to understand what they are putting their money into before they do it. And when Glendora,had their problems as far as the water, you"d;,be suprised how many,people called me, and I'm talking about our citizens, West Covina, who talked about aftremendous about of money to help - Glendora and sure they w�u�ld be willing "to help the city if F-�_ we could give them some type of program. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-one JOINT MEETING WITH -NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: So from the financial end of it, let's forget about (Cont.) that fight now, let's just talk about what we could do and I think when you get into the establishment of homes of att-ention rather than of detention, again;. but you get into a social, physicological problem again, I mean... Dr. Snyder: Well, later on we suggest that maybe the churches, this goes by the pr,2or role of the churches, to set up.... what we're really interested in here is that. these young people are thrown into jail with hardened criminals where they may be a first offender, or they don't have a home to go back to, and that perhaps the churches or private groups could support homes of.. 7dr.~Feinman: We're talking about the modern movement technology any way: The movement away from the women's house of detention into the community correctional operation and'the involvement. But this is still a state situation. Mayor Gleckman: I was just going to say.... ?Jr. Feinm-Nn : It could .be a community if it was done within our own confines. Mayor Gleckman: O.K , but what I'm trying to do, because of the limited amount of time, shall I say, is to kind of skip over the things that we can look into then come back with recommendations which all the more would tend to keep this committee involved. And get to some of the things that we°,_j'.6,,could take immediate steps on for the immediate problem. 'councilman Gillum: Well, then I move that we move off the legislature... Mayor Gleckman: And anything that has to do with the State situation • let's forget about at this particular time. We're not forgetting it, we're going to come back to it. Let's go to something that we:can do locally that we can start with to accomplish something, Same thing with Federal Government. All of these things we're intersted in,we think are good. ?.Mr. Feinman:These are just proposals for the Council to review. We hope that you will consider them in light of the fact that we put much time and effort into them and we feel that they're meaningful. Mayor Gleckman: I agree and I'm not going to pass the bulletin room, per se, I'm just sayingjlet's go to something we can really get.some movement on from the City Council, get municipally involved in, and again, what.I said in -the beginning, accomplish something. 'Councilman Gillum: I'd like to move to page 26 from the involvement of the litters committee and Reverend Key is here and I do think that the City Council is a lay group and a litter group of its own. They can bring about some communications some rapor, some dialoguethat can help get the churches and synagogs involved, with some of the proposals that are herein contained. Mayor Gleckman: Well then, wouldn't you move over to page 28? ��� ''°!Father .Key: May I just,�:xelate one thing to the Council and the Committee. About every three months the 'inisterial Association holds a meeting here in the City and invites all the churches and synagogs. The last meeting we had was the 19th of last month and in our sub -committee, one of them, we actually got into this area: You know, where is the church's responsibility and this. Mainly] it came about because of this report and the recommendations in it. And the churches in this community are aware of it, but ri ht now I'd have to say they lia k the direction and the guidance in `. •ac ually wherein the churches or congregations.or your own church can we participate and how can we participate community -wide. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-two JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) X Father 'Key : We just touched on the surface of it and because (Cont.) it's like everything else we just had three hours and we had many other problems, but they are aware of it and they are concerned with it. So....... Martha: I The do have the report, do they not? F Omr . Fe Inman All the churches in the community? ? ' I'm not sure. 7dr.. Aiassa: Well, that would be one of the things that we're recommending that they actually have a copy Qfll of this report if it hasn't been submitted to/ m.; And I do think that one of the things that we're recommending, too,'--- _,. possibly would be some communication or a relationship maybe with the committee to develop an.(integration process. Mayor. Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Gleckman: the churches yet • schools. Gecr ge, Does our Cease or out narcotic situation as far as informational, has'A gone into the church, from the standpoint of..... No. I think we're just about finishing the schools. O.K. I was just curious, because that. would be our next step and that would be the best..... The reason this report hasn't been circulated in that group:T,,FP yet, it hasn't progressed to that .... No, I understand that, but my point was that in case J-/somebody would bring up about some of the program that we do have, we haven't touched from the standpoint of getting involved, because of the _Dr. Snyder:- The reason this isn't_widely circulated as yet, you realize the has not, per se, had the council accept it as a public document. And I don't want to get caught between two areas where somebody makes a big fuss with the report and all of a sudden the Council says, don't .... ask us, we don't have the answers. Mr. Feinman: He wrote a letter once a few years ago and he's always hesitant about..... Dr. Snyder,: 'Did I hear you, George, if the Council accepts this final report we will get many more copies available. Because I've had some requests on the National level,too., when you talk about legislative in the state and county. Mayor Gleckman: Well, we'll get to that in just a minute. Let's get back to the point of information. 'Judge Alex: It's wanted all over the country. Mayor Gleckman: Have you got any comments, Bill, at this time that you'd want to make? FathenAKey;.: ri Welb, I say that I haven't done the job that I should have done. Since Lent I haven't been able to attend on Wednesday evenings because of a meeting at our church_, and I think I should be relieved. I did make a report. The recommendations,are not mine. I don't subscribe to them at all. Mayor Gleckman: (Laughter) O.K. Father Key-: The first on page. 12 . The first paragraph I will reject completely. Adj; C. C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-three JOINT^MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Father Key; `And to a large extent the mores ways..:. of our society are a product of the Judo -Christian ethics.`/ This is as false as anything can be. Mayor Gleckman: In this context the Committee is concerned with the relevance of religion and its teaching in • today's society. Father Key: I think you should recognize the fact that in Southern California only about 2576 of the people are church members and this is the lowest percentage of any section in the United States. So the church does not have the influence in the community that you 'give it, that you think it might have. It's not accepted in your community it's only tolerated. Dr. Snyder: Well, I don't think that is what this paragraph says, Reverend Key. - r „;,1: didn't write the paragraph, but what it says -is accumulative mores{; of our society from our..... ? Feinman: Puritan background. I4� Dr. Snyder: From our Puritan background and the commonlaw system, the divorce laws, all of these throughout the church influence. Mayor Gle_ckman: The concept of right or wrong, good or bad, is really what we're discussing. ,Judge-Al''ex- That's what we say, We're not saying the present.. Rather Key: But our Christian mor,edss.are:n"t all Judo -Christian mor:ess, and I think this is wwhere we're all • wrong andwhere we're going to get off on the wrong foot if we continue to say this, because it's not true and particularly not true in Southern California Mayor Gleckman: Well, Bill, I think if you read on that they specifically....... Father Key: ........ Mayor Gleckman: No,No, No. But I just want it for the record.. that they specifically refer to the religious situation in West Covina. They don't talk about state wide or area wide, only as a preface to the remarks that they would make. And that would be that..I.would call your attention to the bottom of page 13, where it says that a segment of the churchs in West Covina is presently trying to cope with the drug problem. That's true. That's true. Father Key: I wrote it. I know it. Mayor Gleckman: Oh! That's the part that you agree with•(Laughter) Maybe I superceeded what you were going to say, but what I'm .... the generalities that are in there as to the make-up of what is said in the report, I th ink that you .are are.. going to always have people that are going to agree and disagree •depending upon what their experiences are and which manner in which they're willing to accept it. But I think what we're concerned with .... No, but what we're really concerned with is that in what way can, does this committee make recommendations that the religious element in our community whether they go to church, believe in God or, If you'll pardon the expression, don't beliejve in God... it's still some type of religious,(Xou know, you say a person has no religion.; then they believe in notthing."JI think they do believe in something. Now, that may not be religion as we interpret it and I don't want to get into that phaseof it, but we want to help everybody whether they're religous or not religious and what we're saying is, in what way can the religious facets of our community help and what recommendation cane -'ewe make for them to carry out. Adi. C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-four JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Again, as a municipality, not as philosophers, (Cont.) not as doctors, not as lawyers, not as judges, but as a municipality, because everything that comes out of your community is coming to the municipality to react and not as individuals. C-Mr. Feinman?- We picked a religious community as a group, by it, . 25%, 107o or 757o, just like we picked the educational community. as a group. We feel that all these groups, by it, a ' Pan) group or a Mai �Jang, group or a focal, group, if we could ask them. All these groups have -to reinforce to the community the existance of the problem, the areas of concern. What's available and ..........,___ and, you know, what we can do about it in the total operation. And this is what we presented to the religious community. I saw a 152 year old girl .: today in my office. She tells me she's a devout Catholic. She goes'to church every Sunday. I said well, why are you getting a discussion on reds? Well, she'd used reds all week long, but she'd never us it on Sunday morning. What, to think that she'd be high in front of God' Well, I think somewhere along the line that someone's got to reason with her that there's God and church existing Monday through Saturday ,too. And this is ,what I think we're trying to get to in regards to a religious community. :.Councilman Gillum: Somewhere in here we recommend a church, total --`�' West Covina Church Program one Sunday, set aside for the Drug Program. Father Key: Gee, great' We do it. We can't fragment a human individual. They're talking about the individual, the moral values,etc., however, we can't fragment a person and.say it's wrong to do this and this and this. There are segments of their life that is wrong, and we do... and it would be helpful if our religious leaders would make clear the relationship that religion demands of the drug abusers. We're doing this. We're doing this. Our churches are doing it. Our townsmen, our pastors are doing it. We have *educational programs. I don't know,if you can tell me what more we can do.... Mr. Feinman?,' Well, I think we have Hill. Bill, I think we have. Because the next sentence says, we recommend the use of congregations and ecumenical conferences, so, as to discover additional ways in which this can be done. There must be additional ways and additional approaches and this is what we're calling upon religious communities and leaders to become a part of and develop. We are assuming that there must be other ways to do it. Dr. Snyder: I can give you an example of this. This was statistically given to me by a nationally known physicologist. It doesn't fall in the area of drugs, but it does fall in the area of................60% of the people who have sexual aberations or problems, the cause of those sexual aberations or problems are found to be based on their ;coral and religious teachings. However, 80% of ministers are incapable of counciling on this problem; Now, this comes from a large survey, and I translate this across to the drug problem... that perhaps we don't have statistics on this, but the use of drugs and the .'. _�'-6-...aberations regarding the use of drugs have come from a lack of moral or religious teachings, a certain percentage. And a very many ministers, by their own admission are inadequate for counciling except from the pure religious point of view. I'm not saying you..... Mayor Gleckman: O.K. I agree with that part. But at the same time, Again, remember now, we're talking about what can weIas a municipality do,... O.)K..... Go ahead Jack. Dr. Snyder: We're saying....... Mayor Gleckman: Wait, let him take the floor, then you can have it. Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-five JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE S(Cont.) Judge Alex: Let's turn over to page #28. All right, now, We're making the recommendation that some congregations or groups of ,congragations might support. -we're throwing the burden of this basically upon the congregations, upon the churches, the religious community. One of the things is number "C" All right, in fact all three of these, the things that actually you could do, •everyone of these, A, B, & C and A & B are just as important as "C", but number "C" I'm just throwing it out as a thing.... is to develop an institu- tion such as a half -way house. N°ow, we're all pretty much convinced that a half -way house in this community would be an ideal thing, and this is something that financially, economically, whether you have an old building and old school house, wha,-tever you've got, if you would work in cooperation with the religious community and the churches in this area, financially and everything else to establish a half -way house, or even staff it, or help with it and do something with your own staff, This is something that could be done, concretely,by your City Council. Father Key: All right, Judge, may I speak to you, please? Mayor Gleckman: Go right ahead, Bill. Father Key: Local research of the youth problems, we are doing. Provaiding more wholesome youth activites with more youth involvement, we are doing. And I can assure you we are doing it. We're doing nothing in the way of a half -way house and I would hesitate to do anything, because of the experience that I have run into in different communities, and I can name one._ ih Hollywood, Selinon is another place, but I'm more famili_r-- . with Hollywood. Wou;'. you want a group of dope addicts here? I'd have the Chief of Police on my neck if I rented a house here and started to take care of dope addicts. You know that as well as I do. Mayor Gleckman: Well, let me interrupt right now. Bill, I can • appreciate what you're saying. Judge, I can appreciate what you're saying and I appreciate what the Committee is saying here, and the idea of a half -way house has the problem of public acceptance, number one. And let's not kid each other. It's the,�rimary problem. It's not the money, and it's not getting a house or a location, it's public acceptance, and we know... ? I always wanted to see the City of West Covina run a house. Mayor Gleckman: Thank you. And we know being a political endity that this is the primary problem. As far as what the churches can do or can't do, we don't want to debate that. What they are doing and what they aren't doing, we doritl` want to debate that. All we're interested in is a recommendation as to in which way the City Council can act as a catalist in •...helping the religious aspect of our community to help fight the drug -�'' use and abuse program. Mr. Feinman:. Somewhere along the line we talked about educational programs and the recommendation�'for the City Council to develop an educational program, and a speaker's bureau, and consultant services and things of this nature. I think we ought to make the churches aware that services are available, and that we the City Council will allow.... we will have sponsored speakers, we will sponsor support agencies and other things if they would join in with this program. Mayor Gleckman: Again, that's another program that the City Council could assist or engage in... O.K. 16 Mr. Feinman: That's what we're saying. We're asking that they would develop some reinforcement of their own. But if they feel that they've done it and it's been done well enough, we're willing to offer them from a Lay secular view. Ada: C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-six JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) }Oe/Councilman Gillum: May I.please just ask a question of a member of your committee. I see you going like this (motion and I'd like to ask you what's your alternative? It seems that you disagree with this approach and you're part of the committee and I'd like to ask you what's your alternative? 19yor Gleckman: Yes, except don't put Bill on the spot personally. Councilman Gillum: No, no, no. Because IrWe the feeling that...... Father Key: ,You ask anything you want and I'll be glad to answer if you want to listen to it. _I think it's ._� fr��z w � aycomplete misunderstanding of the role,_ of the �churchl i 1 u .;�.. _ _:_' a complete mis- und re standing of the function of the c urch and -It complete misunderstanding of what they church is doing at the present time. These were not the recom- mendations that I submitted to the Committee, and they were submitted after I submitted mine. And I can't agree with them. It's a complete misunder- standing of the purpose of the church and.what's being done with church. I put in my report that for about twelve weeks,about 10 or 11 of us clergymen worked with a phyciatrist,,or phycologist,,)I should say, in this community to make us more sensative to the needs of these problems and to help us sharpen our tools in counciling these ;young people who are on dope. For twelve weeks we went through this and the church is not asleep, it's awake. I'm right next to West Covina High, I know what the heck is going on. I see the pills in the driveway, I call the Police and they don't even want to look at them. They know they're there... phooey, throw them away. Mayor Gleckman: We're going to get to the educational program after a little rest here. Father Key: We'.re doing this. I have in my Parish, and I'm sure . others do... we have film programs on this, we're counciling with parents, we're counciling with kids on this, to the best of our ability. Mayor Gleckman: Now, are you speaking for the entire religious community, or for just your church? Father Key: I'm speaking only for those who are in the Ministerial Association. I know only those. There are many who are too good to come in with us. Mayor Gleckman: You said that now.,.. O.K. Father Key: I said it and it can go on record. But this is true, but the major denominations and.churches within this community.are in that Association. There's a very fine relationship within the group and we're working on this. I'm sure they would be very happy to have a half -way house, but I would be reluctant to do it knowingthe attitude, �a of the _ public in the average community and the Police Department in the average community. Now, it's wonderful to have this work going on...".not in our community... in La Puente, or Baldwin Park or somewhere else, it's great, but not here... and we can get Uomeplac,e around, I don't know, name it, Cameron, I don't care, Vine, someplace and build a house and all the people in that neighborhood would egin to yell, "Get those dope addicts out of the community, we don't want hem", and you would get the heat. Mayor Gleckman: Father Key: can be done until there's we live. That's exactly right, we're aware of ,.4,Jthat. Now, if we're willing to do this, I'm sure I can speak, I know I can speak, for the group because these are concerned men, but I don't see how it a different c-1imate within the community in which Adj . , C. C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-seven JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Councilman Gillum: Father Key Councilman Gillum: Wyor Gleckman: May I ask just one other question? Yes, who's asking me? I am. Tom Gillum. Councilman.Gillum: Do you feel th,4 the church has, and I say church). meaning all church denominations within our community, do you feel that they have an important part in this over-all problem`%,..•.,as a community problem? And I may have phrased this wrong, but I feel they do have a responsibility and they do have a place in the over-all approach to this community. Father Key: Are you asking or telling? Councilman Gillum: Well, I'm .asking you... I'm asking ['/Father Key, All right, you're asking me... yes. And we're // trying the best we can with what we have to do it. Now, we _don't know all the answers and we're quite willing to hear from other people. Our agenda.is.written by the world, the community, and we will listens;, and we will do what we can, but we do know from!: experience on this one about the half -way house. I think it's the most perfect thing that could happen. I'm completely in favor of it. But I know what's happened to half -way houses. And' I have very good friends that have tried to do this and they've been crucified by the residents in the community, by the Police) and eventually by pressure of the City Council. Mayor Gleckman: I think your reall answer to the half -way house, j if \,_ I may just interject from my own experiEn ce as far as the feelings.of the community is, that Ogolly:9. if you don't want one there, are you willing to pay to put one somewhere else,. -and I think that's really the answer. 7 % Mr. Feinman: Educational awareness, knowledge and the reality that the problem situationsthat are anticipated don't work out, help'the community, too. It so happens that in the State of New York, there whole program is community half -way houses. It's a state project. They have 65 half -way houses throughout the state of New York. We have three of them that are very very functionable right here in Los Angeles. -Dr. Snyder.: The first thing that you have to do with the drug problem is admit it exists. If it exists jthen the half -way house belongs in this community and responsibility of it belongs to this community. Mr. Feinman: We're not, necessarily talking about Heroin users either, we're talking about a home away from home: We're even talking about a place where pregnant girls can go to;where they can't find any other place by the fact that is =., _.^= they are kicked out by their parents. Dr. Snyder:, We're 1-ucky.-,;;i We don't have a lot of Heroin users. We've got just Marijuana and LSD and ........ kther Key. ... ........ .......... Mayor,Gleckman: All I can say to this community is to call a spade a spade and.if we have to confuse the people with the facts, we're just going to have to do it, But again, you have to realize that you're talking to an elective body, not a dictatorship. Adj . C. C. 10/28169 Page twenty-eight JOINT MEETING.WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) 2V Dr., Snyder: Maybe'•a half -way house.would bring it home to a lot of the parents in this community that haven't accepted the fact that there is a problem. But there is... Mr.Feinman: We're not saying,you're telling or directing the churches.and synagogs to take on this particular cuddule or this particular battle of the half -way house. On page#26 all we're saying, "We're not presuming to instruct our churches and synagogs in their function, but we do appeal to them for their help and commend the following suggestions for their consideration' Dr. Snyder: We thought that was a very beautiful sentence. Mayor Gleckman: And'I•think it's a beautiful sentence,too, but we're•going to have to face the reality as a committee. First of all, that they have a responsibilit to their congregation, which is religion, which may encompass their everyday living, etc. But as Bill said, and I agree with him, they're having a tough enough time keeping a congregation, let alone a church, Now, when you're talking about their help, if you're talking about financially in any respect, I happen to know for a fact that all the churches in the City of West Covina are having a very tough time of keeping their doors opan financially. Mr. Feinman: All -except the Jewish Temple. DonTt) give us that.... ICouj?t1ri.'t hear) Father Key,:` Mr. Mayor, the churches that are in the ministerial Association, I can't speak for them definitely, but I feel very strongly that they would go for this idea and we would do whatever we could if we could be assured that the Police would be off our necks and we can get the support of the City Council. 6ayor Gleckman; Well, I can't promise you that right now, Bill, I'm just talking with you.- Martha? Father Key: I'know. Martha,: This is strictly an opinion, but I'd like to register it. I think the West Covina community is very much aware that there is.a problem. The parents are very much aware that.there is a problem. We're being touched with this problem. Our friends, our neighbors and our children, our own childrenjare involved in it. And I don't believe that the community would register this horrified reaction to a half -way house. Mayor Gleckman: Not,if you could put it up 1n the sky or in some other city.' Martha:. No, I don't think so..... Mayor Gleckman: Well, again, this, -is strictly my own opinion, it has nothing to do with the Council. Dr. Snyder: How about over at Cameron and Azusa. .Judge Alex: We've already suggested that, Doc, why don't I speak to my friend and He'll fix you right up. Mayor Gleckman: Why don't we just take a five minute break here and maybe I can get some organization or .......... DISCUSSION DURING BREAK (?) Mayor Gleckman:. a board of direcfior�srepresenting the City of West Covina on .this Hot -Line thing. Adj.�C.C. 10/28/69 Page twenty-nine JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: Did you give us $50? Mayor Gleckman: That's number one. Number two, the $50 was being held up until we met with you this evening to find out a little bit more about the Hot -Line. • Councilman Gillum: I'm not sure about it yet, Doc. RECONVENED 1�t Mayor Gleckman: Look, we appreciate all the time you've devoted to this, so if we rush you don't think that we're not aware of the importance of the report, but time is a problem when you get.into these things and I think that so far the.... at least I for one, and I think the members of the Council have, received a little more',background from you, and if we speed this program up it's not with the idea of minimizing it or wanting to get finished, but so that everybody is aware of this. What I/think the plan will be is to keep on thru the program and ask the questions and get some idea of priority and then I would appoint two members of the Council as liaison to this Committee to meet within the next week to'ten days, which is a date that the Committee will sets and those two men will be there, and they will sit down and thrash this outj priority wise, so that they can come back to the City Council and say this is our recommendation from the Mayor's Advisory Committee with our acquiesance that these are priority situations that they would like to see some action taken on immediately. 1dr. Feinman: Very good. ? Fine Mayor Gleckman: And that's the only way, because for us to try to react to this this evening and.come up with any positive action would really not be 'fair to us. You know what you're talking about, but we really have to have a little time to digest the in -fight that's going on in this .report.. Mr. Feinman: Our major interest was�so that you'd be in a position to confer with us as ;�'`� a Council in general. Any questions you may have,and if our membership -could present�;to you any information you would like to have, it's all right here. Mayor Gleckman: I just wanted '.you to know that if at any time we cut you off and say alright, let's.go on to another thing, it's not that we're forgetting about it; it's just that I think that the Council.at that particular point has a much better idea than just reading the report. As you said there are many hours that have gone on in every one of these recommendations. ,, X Judge Alex: Mayor Gleckman: Mayor Gleckman. Yes,sir. X Judge Alex: Could.we1to save you time, and I'm sure that each one of the Councilmen has probably= gone through the report and I know they probably have some Questions in certain areas. So, why don't you approach it that way because we could go through this for a long, long time and -especially in this educational program. I think there area lot of direct things that could be done by your Council in that area, and there's a bunch of other direct things that you could do, but I mean that maybe you would want to handle it by questions and answers and go through it that way. Each one ofyour Councilmen probably have a number of questions. . Mayor Gleckman: Does anybody have any objections to handling it that way? Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page thirty Mayor Gleckman: (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: k. If ,Kayor Gleckman: Dr. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: Dr. Snyder: Vr. . Fe inman : It would speed things up, because like I say, you people know what you're talking about and we have some specific questions. I have a comment first, Mr. :Fe:iriman* ; Go ahead, Doctor. Wei.. may or may not have run into opposition in advising educators. We're aware of this. We're not going to adivse them, we're going to work with them. But, this is really the only vehicle in which we can reach that many children. I have that problem every Monday night, Doctor, trying to advise educators. �51 Martha,,: Mayor Gleckman; if you're going into the educational field, I think the most unique thing that came out of this educational report was that we feel that education is not started at a low enough level in schools and I don't know whether the Council has anything to do with this or not, but we're recom- mending a kindergarten level of education. Councilman Gillum: May I ask<�, ;�, ; a question along this same line? There are many.... and this is one of the points that you brought up, there are many points in here that only the school distsrit or school districts that serve the community could actually put this program into effect. I'm wondering, is -it the plan of this commity to-a�pproa6hthe school district to present this segment.- �f the report to them as a recommendation to the school district? r ?Mr. Feinman: School districts. Councilman Gillum: Districts. Mr. Feinman: Yes, after this is accepted and becomes a report of of the community, I'll plan.... then we'll know where the committee will stand insofar as its continuation or whether it will be a board or so, then, hopefully, we would have a member- ship on the committee which would consist of the participation of the school districts. We are going to present this to them as,commentation and recom- mendation, see, Now'we sincerely feel.as cen9d,1 t a and educators and citizens that this program _,n ate, p g particularly has merit and meaning, since we spent the time and effort on it. It doesn't necessarily mean that thek_ school districts or boards will necessarily want it or like it. Then we might have to asks for other assistance from the Council in their own contacts, their own knowledge, to get some clarification on the view of the people who would grant the proposal and give some idea that this is what we'd like to have included. l�cI Mayor Gleckman: Well, when it comes to the school program, I can tt only say that we would send this to them as an informational item, number one. Number two, we would probably request of the superintendent maybe a meeting with the particular geople that they have, such as the assistant superintendent or the people that ight be in charge of their particular program or be the most focal person to meet with in order to discuss these things; but the. 'd have to be done on that kind of an individual type basis, with the exception of the Hot -Line things that we're askin L- g��them to engage in. Because I think that, first of all you .and are all aware of, that the City Council, real ly,a:nd the school board and the school district are endities within themselves. They have nothing to do with each other from the standpoint of where we would advise them or they woula{ advise us. All we can do is inform them and they inform us. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page thrkrty-one Dr. Snyder: May we suggest that you, using the proper protocall of course, send this to the superintendent of the school board with the request for a meeting with the school board. Mayor Gleckman: Yes, that's really what I just said. O. Snyder: That's the political -body... I thought you said the superintendent. Mayor Gleckman: Well the only point is,that you're going to have to realize that the.school boards,and I'm sure 1 that you're aware of it, still,if you send it to the school board without the superintendent being the.first one to see it, you've got problems right away. -That's number one, and I found that out. Number two, I think we have to be careful with the idea that we make them aware that we're in no way trying to enfringe their perogative as the educators and the people responsible for educatingchildren.in every facet, including in the drug program. This is merely something that a municipality has taken upon themselves and they would like their cooperation and would like to sit with them and'm�eet with them-. That's the only basis on which it.can be approached. Dr. Snyder Noy,, but this is something that we missed, and you can correct me if I'm .� 5 wrong, Russ. But the major problem of the schools has been to educate and not to work in the behavorial feeld, and we're asking in some of these recommend- ations -that they take more st6ps in the behavorial field than they do at present. <:Councilman Chappell- Fred Trott, the Assistant Superintendent,"sat on this committee, did he not? �r. Snyder: Yes, and he objected to some of these recommendations. '�Councllman Chappell: And he, if he were still around, that would be the man you would be dealing with through the school district, because that was his -bailey -wick. So some of the suggestions that he gave you may have been food for thought as far as through the educational program. Dr. Snyder; Yes, but we have three school districts to deal with and the school -board is in name only the governing board of the school district, and what I'm saying is we ran into complete opposition from one school district. So, in carrying this recommendation to the school .... we had good cooperation from the West Covina School District. :councilman Chappell: Which school district did you have trouble with? 2dr. . Feinman: Dr. .Snyder : Mr. Feinman: Or. Snyder: Mr. Feinman: Dr. Snyder: Covina. Covina. Well, I would venture to say we had it with two school districts, because the perocial schools.did not come through as we had thought they would either. And what we're saying is..... The only one that gave us the information was West Covina School District in two of the three high schools. The School Districts are going.. :councilman Chappell I West Covina only has two. You said three school districts. Mr. Feinman:. -Well, we have Sunset, too. Adj . C..C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page thirty-two touncllman.Chappell:' That's not in West Covina.... Dr. Snyder: No, that's in Bassett. The point is this, again, number one, we feel that schools are too much emphasizing the total education role, the education role, without enough emphasizing the behavioral role. We have a lot of Widence which indicates that a lot of your reds and whites are sold right the school grounds, which indicates to us that there's not enoughtsuper- visxon: I -know of one school district, high school district that has 1200 pupils, it only has 39 teachers, which includes four councelors and a football coach. And in a way you can't blame them for not doing any more than educating, because certainly they'r:e understaffed as far as teachers. But since the parents have advergated their responsibility and you can't legislate parents, you do have a chance as a community to approach the children through the schools and we believe the behaviorial.approach in the schools should be up -graded and more money allocated for this. Mayor Gleckman: Well, you have discussed with the West Covina 2 Unified School District at least the board, that there should be a little bit better'rapor between the City Council 'and the Board of Education. And I had requested a dinner meeting with them and I think we would, ititially you would, have -;our City Manager there and you,,t would.have the superintendent of schools and I think there's the area in which -you will approach something like this. In other '_words,; where you'say, now one of the things that we, as a municipality, are interested in and we don't want to step on anybody's -toes, like to get involved in this. and that's the approach, Doc. I really don't think and I think that we could, that the whole section of the educational recommendations here should bepthrown out the window, unless we approach it "from the right point of view. Dr. Snyder:. I -agree. Except there's another point of view for approaching it, and that is as a City Councilman) I represent constituants of the school district, too. Mayor Gleckman- That.gives us the problem doesn't it. .Dr. Snyder If it has to be done. If it can't be done through this approach, it will have to be done through the ballot box. Mr. Feinman: Well, we're talking about two areas when we talk about this educational field and let's make sure we delineate that. We're talking abo t approaching it from -an adult view and adult education service as well as an7 8 Cation activity. And there are many things that we propose on.page 28 & 29, that are :1 related predominately to.the adult and I think that the City Council can activate many of these things itself. Mayor Gleckman: 'Page 28 & 29?. Mr. Feinman.: Yes. Byt development of a special speaker's panel which would be available. One of the things which we have in mind for example, if we have a coordinator in the community to get some idea of how the speakers are that are being invited from outside the community, to see that we have a common frame of reference being brought into the community, and maybe just utilize our own peakers, developing video tapes, which I think we could do through the city uspices,,� developing a parent workshop.. It doesn't necessarily have to be an adult education program if that conflicts with the school system. Although, I just finished one for Tri-Community last week. We talked about public library having a special section on drug abuse available for parents and such; We have a radio program that we can advertise and let people know in this community that there's a radio program. Va.yor Gleckman: You're talking about education programs, not per se what•they have to do with schools? Adj . C. C. 10/2.8/69 Page thirty�4three JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Feinman: That's right. I said there's an educational program for adult and parents, as well as this annual essay. I don't see why:A4the City Council couldn't sponsor an annual essay for the school system. ?Judge Alex: Because -I think all of this can be done and worked out ;,,.,W :' with your Narcotics Coordinator. And this is onerof the things that you can do, and you can hire and you can work on and that's something that the City Council will have to fund. what Mayor Gleckman: Well, I had that outlined",for my question, but/you- suggested answered the question. Dr. Snyder: For instance, No.7, the two school districts �__- �. afiaveu>a,.�s::; difference of opinion on whether to expel or -not to expel drug users. Mayor Gleckman! Dr. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Feinman: rouncilman..Gillum: Judge All we can do is make a recommendation, we can't do that, we have no power. I know that, but I.... .yes, you do have power... political power. Yes, you do -and .....yeah' ...and then the political power will take away from the other political power...... Thanks a.lot. You've been protecting him for four years. ayor Gleckman: Let me say, that.going along with this, so called political power, Doc, if there's any doubt in your mind as to who has the strongest political power in this community, whether it be the school district or myself, let me rest you assured that it is not me. O.K.? I just thought that I would tell (: you that . Dr. , Snyder : Maybe it's the homeowners? z07Mayor. Gleckman: No, it's the school district: You take... well, never mind. What I'm s_t talking about now is the number one, and I think the one that you .underlined, which was the paid narcotics coordinator. I have one question to the committee. Where do you find the paid narcotics coordinator? Dr. Snyder: I just learned the other day, and I think, I would like to add, of course the rest of the committee may disagree?;a�<� but, it shouldn't be called a narcotics coordinator. I understand now why I have no details on it. The City of Pomona has a Community Services Coordinator, who coordinates service clubs and this type of thing. It could all be thrown into one. Mayor Gleckman: I'm agreeing with everything he has to say. I have the entire background here, my question is, I know. where I can find a doctor, I know where �I can find a lawyer, I know where I can find all these thing&-`1I'm talking about. Where do you find a paid narcotics coordinator. Vartha: You want to know what specifically we require of this person? Mayor Gleckman: No. Dr. Snyder: Mort -tried to get the specifications to fit him,but... Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page thirty-four JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: I have all that. I want to know where can you find a man that fits this bacvground and where does he get this background and where are they coming out of and where are they being trained? Dr. Snyder:. Anybody trained in behavorial sciences, from • phyciatrists, phycologists, socialogists, educators Mayor Gleckman: You mean all these people that you're talking about are familiar -a„ with the broad knowledge of ...... �= Judge Alex: You'd need a man in this area, you'd have to interview him. You'd have to come up with a man that fits into these catagories and...... Dr. Snyder: And the job specs would have to be written. Judge Alex: Right. Mayor Gleckman: Noty,.I know two in California. And the only way these two keep moving around is by getting more money on different jobs. the Judge Alex: Also, he should have some knowledge of/narcotics field.. Mr. Feinman: That hhould be therfirst part of the requirements. Mayor Gleckman: I agree with what you're saying, my question to the committee is; ,have°;.you done any looking into as to where a man of this caliber can be found or is being trained,even today,for this type of position? .udge Alex: I have no doubt what if you want to hire a man like this, you can find him. Mr. Feinman: Yes;;,. I think you can. Mayor Gleckman: I think you have to be willing,to pay him and I don't hear a price. Mr. Feinman: That's exactly right. Because we have a place Tik°btNorco right nearby, for example, where many people have worked in this particular field. We have menwho have run half -way houses in the n Southe eCalifornia area. We have men who have worked in the service;*� centers in/houthern.california area. These are men„' who would be leaders in this kind of.operation. But, the only thing weiiwould require would be additional knowledge in the area of narcotics. I think these men are available. ?•9()TIr. Brown: He would have to.have an administrative knowledge in how to operate things_,.in the service clubs, churches, cities and schools. Dr. Snyder: I think that he should..... •Mayor Gleckman: He would have to be the white knight on the shining:_ - horse I was talking about last night. Dr. Snyder: I would like to recommend, it's going to involve. reprinting, but I'd like to recommend that this be changed to a Community Service Coordinator....... 'Nudge Alex: Well, I think the problem is serious enough to keep it right in the area. Adj. C C. 10/28/69 Page thirty-five JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Judge Alex: (Cont.) I know a professor that's retired that has had wonderful training in the area of this field and is looking for a job and he would .be very happy to be interviewed. And not only is he a professor and he's retired, he's well trained in behavorial sciences, but he's also had a lot.of experience with narcotics..... gayor Gleckman:` Well, let me ask you a question. r � (CQuldn'.t hear) Mayor Gleckman: Who? Who? Judge Alex: ....... Mr. Feinman: We've got to educate these Judges. Mayor Gleckman: Are you say.ing to me, Judge, that you're recommend- ing.parole for somebody to take this job? (Lauk4er ) Mayor Gleckman: No, what I'm really concerned with is that, let's say for example that the Council should get into a discussion that this is a great idea, we're really interested. First of all, what are we talking about dollar wise? Second of all, whom does he serve? Does he serve the City of West Covina per se, does he serve the school district and the City_ -of West Covina, does he serve the City Administrator and our Personnel Board? Mr. Feinman: This is for the Council to decide. Dr. Snyder: We are aware that you have problems. Number one, • who is he'answerable to, the City Manager, or is he answerable to a seperate commission. All we're recommending is the Narcotics Coordinator. Now, whether it's in conjunction with the school district or whether he comes under the supervision of the City Manager, or under the supervision of the Council or a seperate board, `;)we would leave this up to you, politically. ZiIMayor Gleckman: I had occasion to discuss this matter. Well, let me just say, I had occassion to discuss this matter with Dr. Shriver,and also Fred Trott was there at the time, and we talked specifically about a paid narcotics coordinator. We didn't use that particular term, and they had looked into it'prior to this committee...to be.honest with you,°and they found the same problem. Mr-Feinman: No, I'm sorry, Mayor Gleckman. They looked into it after the committee presented it to a member of this committee that there was a need and that it was the dearth of it and the school district was not handling the area at all. They looked into it and recommended it. Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Feinman: •Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Feinman: Then there was a need. All right, then we got a vise. O.K. You said that, not me. Then we got a vise. Well, it's true. Mayor Gleckman: The meeting I had with Dr. Thyberg didn't start because of this. It started with the coordinating Council of the City of West Covina -wanting to do something in the area of this drug abuse problem in the City of.West Covina. And they called the particular meeting with Dr. Thyberg and myself and t-hen they called in Mr. Trott, but we had discussed this prior to Mr. Trott's coming in, so,,it might have been simultaneously thought of, but I just thought thatI would tell you they ran into the same problem. Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page thirty-six Mayor Gleckman: Where do we find a man to fit.the bill. The school (Cont.) district gave me an indication that they.would be willing to sit down with the City of West Covina and talk about hiring a particular person and sharing the costto_f-) a particular person -,if we could find one)and decide what we want_,,and what we have to pay. �r. Snyder: This would be somethAng:g for the members of the Council, plus the Committee to look into. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. I just thought I would tell you that..... Dr. Snyder: You seeTwe're treading new ground. Mr. Feinman: You see, we're even talking about the idea maybe of a drug abuse advisory board, which might just be part of the City ora combination of many cities, many school districts.... Mayor Gleckman: O.K. Has anybody got any other comments regarding this particular position? 'Mr. Cravens: I think George would be good........... Mayor Gleckman: For his retirement ,�then,we'll place him in..... Mr. Aiassa: When? Mayor Gleckman: No, But does anybody else have any other comments regarding this? David, have you got anything on this particular subject? If -not, I'd like to get onto the -Hot -Line, Do you Dave? (Everyone) Good, et.c...... y eave: Yeh., I have a recommendation.... Les Cravens..... Mayor Gleckman: Well, we're not ready to act�=4n that capacity.... Dave.: • You asked for some and I 'gave,you some. Martha: Yes, you did lads a matter of fact., Dave: Heo knows more about the narcotic problem than anyone in the area and is concerned. Mayor Gleckman: I'm here. 'Y.,�: gave : You wa nt to change the subject,.. huh? 4-Mayor Gleckman: No, I just don't see the application for the job anyplace. Dave: On page 42. Mayor Gleckman: But that's fine,'.as'long as he is..... Dave: The point I'm trying to make is, that we have people in our community that have the know how and the interest the and concern and you put out the word and you'll get applications. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. That's, again,.as I say, I asked you if you had anything to say, and you did, but what I was primarily concerned with is...... ? Again? I can't go that word. Mayor. Gleckman; No, no.... Martha: . Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page thirty-seven, JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Well, let me ask you this, in what you're saying then, can you give me an idea of what price range you're talking about? Dave: I didn't ask him. (?). 46yor Gleckman Dave: Mayor Gleckman I know you didn't.. Let me point out.; though, these problems we feel are the responsibility of the Council; what you feel that you can afford, what you feel the job demands. O ;K . Mr. Feinman: We'd be very-happy'to meet with the Personnel Board. Dr. Snyder: I suggest that we meet with the Personnel Board for... Mayor Gleckman: Well, that's exactly what we will do. All right, first the City Manager and then let him work-it.over, you see. By then he'll have another administrative aids ._ Mr. Feinman: We will be very happy to work with anyone who, the 1 Personnel Board, to discuss what the requirements should be, the role, the.particular qualifications, which then would bring about income. Mayor Gleckman: I think the idea is great. ',Dave°:__., m But, I still think that many of these proposals are related .basically to whether it's going to be a community oriented thing or a city oriented operation. �. Snyder: Or whether it's going to be a joint effort. ,Mr. Feinman: Or a joint, effort. You see, because you might ,e:nd� up with a joint effort. You might have someone who's good in this position with 1, 2, 3, 4 other assistants along the line doing particular areas needs:'for their fellow community. We're just giving an idea. Mayor Gleckman: This is the reason I'm bringing this out, so that when the recommendation comes .back to the Council, they don't say to the:particular liaison that happens to be assigned, what are you talkin� }pout. So, that's the reason why I'm asking these questions. All of us/ a better idea when that recommendation does come forward what we're talking about. Dave: Can IFinterject ,:"something here? I can appreciate your hands -off policy as far.as telling the school district what to do, but we feel very strongly that the key to preventing future drug abuse is education for the whole community, both adult.and the children. And I think just to pass off a recommendation to the school district is not enough. Mayor, Gleckman : No, I didn't'= say that, David . Maybe you were`n;';t here whenI said that we were meeting with the school board and the superintendent and at that time we would iscuss this situation.,,,But only on the basis that we have this committee and they've made these recommendations. Because if you make it any other way, I.can assure you that that's exactly what will happen. .. Dave: That's what I say. You're trying to avoid telling them, but you have to get your point across ands;make �3 sure that something's done. Dr. Snyder: That's really the whole point of our report. The best cure for drug abuse is never to let it get started, and education is the point. It.'s the beginning. Adj. C.C.. 10/28/69 Page thirty-eight JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Well, I have,an argument. But then�you still can't guarantee them it still won't start, because there's a profit ftbt:-ivehhere and 1 don't care how much education that these children get, the profit motivator is a'lot smarter than the educator, remember that. Otherwise you wouldn't have that anyway. dVSnyder: The more money you make the'more money you want in life. Mayor Gleckman: Well, O.K. ,ql Councilman Gillum:., Lennie, just along this same line, and this is true, I think we recognize it, but it's very d if f icultj and I don't mean this the way it may sound, to communicate an idea from this governing body to the school district. But,I think it was brought up by Doctor Snyder, that`-j I think if we can't:�convey this as a governing_�.body, then a method should be found in such away to put this information into the hands of the parents and the citizens and let them find out what night the school boards meets and go down and request an action as a citizen. l� Eouncilman Chappell: You're getting the cart before the hors.!_,': Mayor Gleckman: That's right. I was just going to say the same. thing. It's very, very possible that they will say, hey, this is great, this is just what we've been looking for and let's go. Councilman Chappell: And you're liable to hear them tell you that they've been doing a lot of this stuff for a long time. I think you..shotild be very careful how you tread on other bodies, the school board or any other group, because I served on that group and long b:bfore I was on the City Council. We were deeply involved n the narcotic problem and they're doing a lot of things over there, and he 're spending a lot of money. We had a Y p g y• principal here that was. ......... Mr. Fe inman : West Covina Particularly. Dr. Snyder: West Covina particularly. Mr. Feinman: West Covina particularly., right. But you see, we also said, to the community, because we don't think that narcotics will be localized just in the community of West Covina.....and that's why we keep bn harping on our proposals.... Dr. Snyder: I'll show you where they have one.diffic.ulty. They get a certain amount of their budget for, what is it? Life Science? That's Driver's Education, health, etc. The Covina School District has one teacher and he can only spend so many sessions during one portion of the school year; and they admit.that their budget is grosely inadequate and their materials are grosely inadequate... not enough:`' We feel that the budget for this particular ladder should be raised. Councilman Chappell: You're meeting, maybe, with the wrong school board. • then, I don't know. Mayor Gleckman: You know, maybe you missed a point, too. Ouf•tr:, meeting with the School Board.is just a meeting. It has9) ° t nothing to do with this. I was just saying that this could be one of the things maybe we could talk about. Mr . -Fe inman : Yes, but, well I th ink'UKwfi",s`, got a point. You might have to meet with other school boards, too. Adj. C.C....1.0/28/69. Pag thirty-nine JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE Mayor Gleckman: Yes, no doubt in my mind, I've already talked to Covina. Dr. Snyder: We admit that West Covina has been ahead of some of the other districts. Feinmkn: Well, even that has reservations, too. :Councilman Chappell: Well, there's no perfection, let's face it. If there was, we wouldn't be sitting here right now. Mayor Gleckman: Well, I think we've beat that horse far enough. Let's get into this Hot -Line thing. Because we want to take some action tonight regarding this Hot -Line. Now the Hot -Line is in the works right now. I know there was a meeting the other night that Dr. Snyder didn't tell me about, but I happened to be here accidently. But, outside of that, there was a request made that the City Council appoint a person from this area to represent the City on this particular board of this non-profit organization, and also a request for funds. Now, you have the floor gentlemen. Mr. Hot -Line? Dr. Snyder: Well, I said before, the best operation now is the one at Children's Hospital. They have experience, they have trained people and we can tie into their Hot -Line thru a Cumberland line at Intei!community Hospital. This would be done with a local number and a diverter box on their Cumberland line. The Inter -Community Hospital is offering the cost of their Cumberland line for nothing. The reason for using a local number is, hopefully, after we get an experience ratio, the Hot -Line, the answering service and the administration for it can be moved -out here and the Inter -Community Hospital will furnish the phasing of that free. My initial impression ........... impression is that the Hot -Line to be most effective should be inter -community and therefore supported by the various participation of the community. The problem :,then 0 omes up, how to set up an organization for this to work. And the best Iway seems to be to form a non-profit corporation, which Mr. Ebner is in the process~=of forming, which then would have the power to receive funds from municipal participation to support the Hot -Line. There's some legal question whether the school districts can contribute tb this yet or not, but we feel they can, except they're hedging. The initial cost, since Children's Hospital feels that their support .... the East San Gabriel Valley will have to put on one extra listener, which they're giving us for $300 a month. And the phone bill will be less than $100 a month. The.-Iinitial cost will be in the neighborhood of $400 - $600 a month, depending on printing costs and contin- gencies. Hopefully, after we get an experience ratio witha contract with Children's Hospital for six months, we can train listeners for our own area and if it works as well as we expect it to, hopefully/other cities will join in on the financial support. At the present time, Chldren's Hospital is receiving as high as 40 calls a night. We have letters of support from the Azusa School District, Charter Oak School District. We have had attendance and assurance of support from Covina. We have had attendance from....... Martha: School District's or Cities? Dr. Snyder: Cities. We have had attendance from Azusa;. Glendora and ilAe other day San Dimas, Laverne and Clarement� un-officially giving us their un-official support. "And I feel that once we get the non-profit organization going and we are wable to contract, that we can get the support on a share basis. However, e're asking the City e of West Covina to, in a",letter, say ., -=<that they support � this concept and'are willing to bea��g, their share up to... we.'re only asking them for $50 to start off with. Maycr Gleckman: You're asking for a committment of $50 a month for the first six months. Dr. Snyder: Right. Mayor Gleckman: Is that correct? Is there any questions by the Council? Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page fourty JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) councilman Nichols: What is going to be the situation if you establish a number you promote through the schools and various,,,,, any source where this can be made available to young people... what's to prevent the young people from, anywhere, from utilizing the number? Getting the benefit of the service. In other words, how do you demonstrate to any of the community that it's in their interest to participate s there... will there be any physical or mechanical way of logging the calls at would show where thecalls are coming from? Its just a matter of appear o conscience::, isn't it? Dr. Snyder: They will be logged at Children's Hospital where the calls are comming from. But, we can't prevent say, if La Puente doesn't join in, we can't prevent somebody from La Puente calling. councilman Nichols: No, I appreciate that. But can we demonstrate that umpteen children from La Puente have used this service? Dr. Snyder: Yes, we can to a degree. They do log,: the area, but not the name. We can ask them to log the area. Mr. Feinman: There will probably be the Sa abriel Valley Area rather than just a few areas t general. That will depend entirely °L on the circumstances. 1Ir. Ebiner: Well, then we still come back to the question. How do we demonstrate to a given community that it's in that.community's interest? Mr. Feinman: Dr. Snyder. There isn't any way. There isn't any way... There's no scientific way to.... 4 r. Feinman: Pardon me if I may. Other than the fact that we're setting up a referal service along with this. Right in this own community. Phones will go through for listeners over there, but referred back in the case of emergency circumstances where they requested aid ... where aid is resquested and they say, yes, they would be interested. So that would be confidential, but we would have that as a log. jj Dr. Snyder: This will be the other -^job of the non-profit corporation, or board of trustees, or governing board, to set up a crises intervention clinic and secondly to panel say,two attorneys, two physiciatrists, two doctors, two probation officers, -two... as wide a provessional background as you need. Now, what happens is when a kid calls in and he has a problem that the caller can't handle -,-he doesn't turn them over to... say it's a problem:_for a doctor... he<.:says;,--:..:..;hold the line and he gets the doctor on the phone and he says Wat the kids problem is and he relays it back to him. Martha: Does the Council know this isn't just drug problems that we're talking about on the line? Mayor Gleckman: All kinds ofproblerrs. Also, you'll find that our West Covina kids don't get into trouble in West Covina. It's La Puente kids in West Covina and West Covina kids in La Puente. So 3f�=the other kids from the other areas are using it, W's still our's in effect. Dr. Snyder: Now, Hot -Line is of course, just a beginning, but it will, number one, it will do several things. It will show us or demonstrate to us what kind of problems we have and what kind of facilities we need to develop in the community. It willjin a great percentage of the.cases.,relieve the kids problem right then, without further call. It will help those who have been unable for some reason or another, to seek help )to find professional help. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page forty-one JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE,�,,(Cont.) ,263 Mr. Feinman: Let's make sure we make _6'u aware of the truth in this thing. That the greatest majority of the calls are basically inocurous)inconsequential)boy-girl kind of calls. We want you to be aware of that. Justf.you know... boy friend, girl friend, boys don't like me.... �r. Snyder: Well, they're not inconsequential to the caller. Some kids commit suicide over this sort of thing. Mr. Feinman: That's right, that's true.... that's right. That's the point. We'll use this then as a way to farioting out the more serious problems and that would be where the listener -would have to be astute enough and keen enough to be able to direct them to a source. -Dr. Snyder: I can read you a specific Hot -Line conversation..... Mayor Gleckman: No, no. We're not going to get into that. Let me ask you. Does Council have any question on this? I'd like to have an action item on that right now so we can wap that up. 'Councilman Chappell: Well, let's listen to the conversation. I'm interested, if the rest of the Council is interested. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. I was just doing that in the sake of time, but, go ahead. Dr. Snyder: Well, here's .... Dr. Meyer brought this tonight. It's an article that's written by Dave Gorrell, who's the Director of Hot -Line at Children's-Hospital. Mayor Gleckman: All right. er. Snyder: The staff approach to assisting callers is bassed on a number of assumptions. 1) Those who call service, do so because they have some conflict and uncertaiit:y that they have not be able to solve on their own. 2) Effective resolutions of problems can only evolve out.of conflict of the individuals own experience. In other words, this is why we use the trained listeners, because they know :-;;how to lead the person around to solving the problem himself instead of telling him what to do. `Mayor Gleckman: Is that who answers the phone, the trained listener? Dr.�. Snyder :r Uh huh' 3 ) Persons with problems benefit little if =at.wall from direct advice, ready made solutions, or"any kind of actions that displaces responsibility. The trained listener, ...they are being trained at Children's Hospital)is, first they're interviewed as to their ability to relate to young people and their empathy for young people and their ability to listen without being critical. The basic format of a call is, first they attempt to find the problem.... often the person calling in..,;..although he may -state a problem, he may not state it in a way that he understands. So the firs 'thing that they do is called "Clarification of the problem". They make him talk about the problem until he states it clearly. Then they ask him what solutions he's thought of for this problem. And then they suggest, "Well, have you thought.... they do it indirectly... Have you thought of this solution? As •f it was his idea. Mr. Feinman: They present alternatives. Dr. Snyder: They present alternatives and usually he'll pick one of those alternatives, if the solution he's thought of hasn't worked and then they'll say, "Well, why don't you try that and then call us back'.' Now, if it's a deeper problem, suicide or something like that, they have back-ups in the suicide center. They also attempt to grade the person's emotional level, pre and post the call, as to whether depression, relation, etc. They never except any... they never put down any calls as put-on, even though it's obviously put Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page forty-two JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: because even under this there's an underlying V�")(Cont.) problem. Now1just... this is a very short... and it may not be typical of all the calls, but here is a short resume of a Hot -Line Conversation: Listener: "Hello, this is Hot -Line, my name is Linda. Can I help you? • Caller: "Well, I've been thinking lately that I'd like to try some pot. Do you think I should?,,/ Listener: "I take it you're not so sure whether you want to or not?" Caller: "Well, I don't see what's wrong with it. All they other guys are. They've been taking it a long time." Listener: "How's it happen you've got along this far without having tried it, Caller: "I've thought about it a lot." Listener: "What are some things that you've considered that make you hesitate?" Caller: "I read somewhere that you could get hooked or it could change my brain. What do you think." Listener: "Well right now I'm wondering about other things you may have thought of that may make you uneasy about trying it?" Caller: "Well, it seems like everybody's doing it and I want to be an individual." Listener: "You think it's real important to be an individual?" • Caller: "Hey, like it's really hard not to do what everyone else is doing. Do you know what I mean?" Listener: "Yes, I think I do, like drugs for example. Seems like a lot of people are taking them and this would be particularly difficult to stay away from. There could be€!a lot of pressure." Caller: "What would you think if I told you I had already taken drugs?" Listener: "Well then, I might wonder if this has been bothering you?" Caller: "Well, actually, that's really why I called. Can you help me?" Listener: "You mean you'd like to stop?" Caller: "Yes." Dr. Snyder: At this point the listener asks the caller if he'd tried to stop and if so,how. The reason these attempts have failed are explained and other possible approaches are considered by the two of them together and there is extensive discussion between them. 'Now, this... the reason we use paid listeners is, number one, although volunteers may have the best intentions and, for instance, interns from medical schools, who may want to be a physiciatrist, could go on this, but if they don't follow the exact foremat, they can actually do 4iamage instead of helping them)the person. Crisis intervention is a very exacting technique. So, by using paid listeners and even though some of them are not .... most of them are graduate students, etc., although some of them are middle-aged ladies... they can require that they stick to the foremat and ,if _they become..... if they don.'t stick to the foremat, they can be fired, With -volunteers it's kind of hard to be fired. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page forth -three JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) rMr. �Feinman: - Well, paying them you subject them to training and G also paying them they're going to show up. Volunteers wouldn't necessarily show up and then you're not going to have a line there either. Dr. Snyder: And, in a way this is a little bit like.... Or. Feinman:- Group therapy Snyder: They don't actually do therapy or give advise, but ` just by verbalizing or writing down a problem often leads many people to a solution right there. I think the main thing this would cto is help us.... tell these kids where to go, find out what facilities wear need in the community and build toward taking the pressure off these and=nor problems that sometimes become bigger. Mayor Gleckman: That was the other thing, Doctor. In addition to the Hot -Line, we talked about the problem about specific needs as to a place for these kids, where do they go, where can they go, and I would think that through the Hot -Line Advisory Board why they may be able to come up with some suggestions for the area..•wide... and that we may be able to cooperate with so that we can tie that into the Hot -Line problem, you might say. Dr. Snyder: Well, what I need from the City of West Covina is a letter of support from your Council, plus a statement that you will supportitto a degree, and firmly. I'm going to add one more thing. The steriographac"problem'6ould.;become_large and one city, it seems to me, could possibly furnish support by giving- stenographictorestaff help instead of cash. Mayor Gleckman: Well, you said instead of cash, and I would suggest that if the City of West Covina will be the first to get behind this program that we get you whatever �elp is necessary to get it off the ground and then we'll talk about dollars and cents, as to who's going to do what as far as supplying help and steno- graphers. It could be done on a voluntary basis and rotated to ......... Dr. Snyder: But we're going to need money. Mayor Gleckman: I think we ought to take money first and leave the other things off until you get all the cities involved and then come back with another request, if that becomes a problem. I mean that would be my suggestion. Councilman Gillum.-. Mr. Mayor. Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Gillum. Councilman Gd-Hum: Motion? I have a question. Somewhere along the line this Hot -Line has been worked on before tonight, right? Mayor Gleckna n� Uh, huh.' Dr. Snyder: Yes, but I've had one problem. I took over as my Ad Hoc Committee the old brochure committee and • one meeting one person would show up and the other meeting a different person would show up. So, I want to formalize it by asking each of these jurisdictions to appoint a delegate.... Mayor Gleckman7 To sit on the Board. Mr. Feinman We activated our own proposal, because our feeling was we needed it. Dr. Snyder: We're working on our own right now, Ad j . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page forth -four Mr. Feinman: F r Now Iwe-'re bringing it to you to make it all formal. 7dr. Ebiner: Very quickly, I want to encourage Norm to go ahead and sayllet's go, whether we have the other jurisdiction formalized or not. We're ready to file as soon as he gives me the fifteen names that we've set upon as the number we want on our 2?Board of Trustees, and it's almost that simple. kyor Gleckman,: Well, you can take fifteen names and replace those .names at any time, can't you Bob? Bob Ebiner: We can except that we were hoping that if we can bring in people from other communities, whether or not they will pay for a jurisdiction or not, we will give a broad based:_- =..... Mayor Gleckman: O.K. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Youreally dorit have to hold up until" you get all fifteen. You can fill in voids and laternon...... O.K. Do you have any questions? Jim? Councilman Lloyd: Second the motion. Mayor Gleckman: O.K., Tom, you had a motion? �1fl Mouncilman Gillum: Mr. Mayor, I move the City Council approve an expenditure of; not to exceed $50 Al•.imonth for the next six months in order to support the operation of Hot -Line. Mayor Gleckman:. Councilman Lloyd: 16ayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa:, Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Gleckman Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa: Do I have a second? Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Mr. Aiassa? I just had a surprise. Am I supposed to have an answer ready? Your recommendation was to go ahead with this. No, the recommendation is as you're discussing it tonight. I didn't know you were going to make a financial request.... Is the $50.going to be a problem, Mr. Aiassa? I haven't... is there a directive from the Council .... we'll dig it out from somewhere. Yeh, well, I mean what's the point... This is not usually the way to do it . Your;• usuTal-ly . commit the committment, then you go back .and see if you've got the money to do it. The intention is fine. Mayor Gleckman: Does Council have any further discussion? r. Ebiner: Well, I think as Norm has said, the potential of this thing is to anchor it here in the San Gabriel Valley.;%I have some reservation about a Children's Hospital locale: for referring services to ntTMeri_m. Mr. Feinman-: No, I think you're misinterpretingw.... Dr. Snyder: We're not going to refer them.... Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page forth -five JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Feinman: No, the referals come right back into this community. 3udge Alex: Somebody's on,,the phone at Children's Hospital,right? Mr. Ferman: Right, and the contact the services right here. frouncilman Lloyd: And the youngster's call? . Snyder: The kids calling don't know this goes to Children's Hospital. They think... 'councilman Lloyd: Are you going to have a liaison At Children's Hospital effective enough so that any call from a youngster in this area will get referred imtmediately to committee people and... Mr. Feinman: We're setting up a referral service list. Dr. Snyder: • And they think ..... Oh, yes' Mr. Feinman: We're setting up a referral service list that they will contact in this community. 'Councilman Lloyd: That they will have available and.'.they will channel these kids back out here for service, so the kid's not going to call there and they will say, well, go down to Santa Monica at such and such a......... Dr. Snyder: They don't even know it's at Children's Hospital, as far as they know the listener's.... Mr. Feinman: And they don't even know, by the way, in truth, so we want to make sure that it doesn't spreadiand noone knows about interbmmunity Hospital either, 0 make sure this doesn't get spread. 'Councilman Lloyd: The only way we're going to find out is to try it. Councilman Gillum: I can show you half a dozen things that have been done this year without being in the budget. Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Aiassa? Discussion' In the area of discussion Mr.. Aiassa, seriously now, if this proposes a problem there's no reason why we must act on this tonight. We can go ahead and -put it. in and come right back around and talk the financial part of it and then come back and go on. Now, what is your pleasure, Mr. Administrator, since you have to come up with the bill? Mr. Aiassa: I've always made this as a standard ruling and I don't know whether I've communicated it to the Council, that this is not a budget appropriation, this is not set up, so I have to dig it up from somewhere. It's very easy to make a committment, but I think after a year's time you commitu; half a dozen or so.... 'Councilman Lloyd: I understand, it's not $5,000, it's not $5....... M . Aiassa: Well, it starts with the smallest amount and..... I'm just .... I say there's probably available funds but I want to know where I'm going to get it. I just don't want to cart -blanch. founcilman Lloyd: Let me ask you then about this whole program. Because a lot of these things in here are going to need money. Mr. Feinman: Yes, Page 34, we haven't covered yet and it's probably going to be the most expensive of all. 'Councilman Lloyd: All right, let's just talk about that, including this narcotic....... Page forty:' -six Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: We're not asking for that tonight. I `+Councilman Lloyd: I'm just going to ask in generalities,,bh6iyou know generalities, and I'd like to hear from George, Mr. Aiassa, ...to discuss that. If he can come up with thousands of dollars, coming from the City Council, and I'm talking abut 4Vousands of dollars.... you know, 10, 15, 20 thousand dollars. Where is going to come from? Is this going to be available? Is this a reality or are we talking about this community having to come up with the funding also? Mr. Aiassa: Well, let me say this. I haven't got a great big sock that I can dig in and raise 25 or 30 thousand at random, but we do this, is that each year.... ? .......(Couldn't hear) Mr. Aiassa: I'll answer your question. But normally, what we do is to take any of these committies thatmake recommend- ations, commissions,or the rest of them.. they normally submit a request during Lour budget period and we allocate the funds on the merit and the priority and the desires of those allocations. Because we can create 10 committies within the next....i7; we had 50 committies.... and each one of them could come out with a tremendous obligation of.money. See, this is the point we're looking at. Now, everybody in each one of these committies feels their item is top priority. We have 14 departments that go through that every budget time. Councilman Gillum: Mr. Mayor, We have a motion on the floor, before we get � carried away in all other directions, I'd like to have a decision on the motion, please. Touncilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor, since we're still in discussion and since I really, as a matter -of policy and as a matter of operation and 2-administration of the City, I really *eel that so long as there's a question by the City Administrator and in courtesy to him, I think we'll have to table the motion until he can come up with the recommendation. I really do. I think we're violating a very basic principal of City Government. Dr. Snyder:,, Of course we're not entering into this discussion. Nr. Feinman: No, no way. not Mayor Gleckman: George, if you're requesting that this council/take action tonight, please say so. Mr. Aiassa: No, I would just request the Council to take action on the basis that the City Manager locate the funds and authorize the Council to set them up for their next meeting. Because I have to earmark these funds and I have to issue a purchase order. Mayor Gleckman: Well, first of all, this particular funding that we're talking about is not something that we're going to have to give them tomorrow - $50. First of all, we can't pay it out until we have a warrant anyhow. Second of all, the request was for us to have the letter and authorize the $50. That unless they get 1610 communities to support this, which isa total of $500, they may not get nto this and you may never even have to come up with the $50. Now, if you really think $50 is going to be a budget problem, I would then contend to hold this matter over. 'fir. Snyder: It's $50 for six months. Mayor Gleckman: I understand, $50 for six months. Mr. Aiassa: All I can say to the Council, and I think Mr. Lloyd said it .... st,isn't-the $50. The moment you made the motion you put it in the minutes. That's a committment of funds. I don't care how you read it or how you cut it. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page forty-seven JOINT MEETING -WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Aiassa: tether this committee will ever deliver, I've got (Cont.) to allocate that money for this period of the fiscal year, period, that's all there is, it's. elementary. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. We don't have to get into a big discussion on it. We have a motion and we have a second and unless somebody would like to offer a substitute motion, . that this matter be.held over to our next.regular meeting.... councilman Gillum: I so move. Mayor Gleckman: Do I have 4')second? Councilman Chappell: Second. 'Councilman Lloyd: So move what? ?Jr. Feinman: That the motion be held over until the next regular meeting. Mayor Gleckman: _Stibstitut.e mot;ionzbe�;bffered that the motion be held oiler until thx e net`''"meeting. 'Councilman Gillum: O.K., I'll rephrase that. Mayor Gleckman: We have a motion, we have asecond, is there any further discussion? XxCouncilman Lloyd_: Now, -we're voting on the amendment to the motion? Mayor Gleckman: We're voting on a substitute motion. 'Councilman Lloyd: Substitute motion. �ayor Gleckman: All those in favor signify,by saying aye. AYES _ �.Gi llum,t :N cho�ls , Ch'a�pe11 , Ll:oydrn'G,leckman� NOES: ABSENT: None Mayor Gleckman: So ordered. O.K. I think you've got an indication of what you're really looking for, because the money is there. It's just a matter that we have to go through the whole proper procedure of bugeting, etc. See'how we operate, everything above board.,.O.K. Dr. Snyder:. Well, my main problem is this... in getting the same type of motion from other Councils. Mayor Gleckman: I.understand, we now have to wait for you to take any action with other communities and other Cuuncils. Dr. Snyder: And I remember when we appropriated $500 in one night for somebody to check on.Pornography. Wr. Feinman: That was back in the olden days. Mr. Aiassa: I want to say this now. I didn't want to delay the of issue, but `these things come up off a board and the Council has a responsability -of dev_e1gpp ng a budge"t' and it's also their responsibility for many appropriations-1 Now this happens` to be a small amount. But there's a sequence and what happens today will be _�;_.�. y go into more a follow-up tomorrow.. Now who knows, �;`'.�:..-.-_.you may want to expense. Now the little secret thin about g providing clerical help, now that's a magic word, but in an organization of this type and to provide the magnitude of work that we want through Blue Ribbon Committies is phenominal, it . was $5, 000. So, I'm just starting o4t . , You re)_start ing' iito' a�prograr . . I'm a little...I'd like ..lat least to set dp a program to tell you how.... ? George is gun shy: Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page forty-eight Mr. Ebiner: Mr. Feinman: 0. Snyder: Mr. Ebiner: May I ask this? Weren't you looking,Norm, also for encouragement of the program? We needed the support. We needed the finitive statement of support from the council. We needed",11!the letter... time is running short. Can we ask the Council to give support in principle,to th;slorganization, this Hot -Line as it's been proposed by Doctor Snyder, without funds? Cbb.ncilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor? I think that,Mr. Ebiner, that it has been eminently..:.or at least I hope that it has been, eminently clear to the commission that you have a great deal of support as far as the people of this council is concerned, and I think that you can interpret that we will go forward. The Mayor has spoken while the rest of.us have remained silent. We have already spoken among ourselves in support of and about the total report, which the people have very laboriously put together, and I think that if there is any indication whatsoever that there is any hesitation on our part with regards to the partk6ipation of what we're talking about, I would ask you to perish the thought. Mr'. Ebiner: What is the issue at this point? Mr. Feinman;: Mr. Lloyd, may I say something? Mr. Ebiner: What'is the issue at this point? Dr. Snyder: The issue at this point is......... Mr. Lloyd: Wait a minute Doc, I'll be through in a minute and you can talk. �. Snyder: I'thought you were through. Councilman Lloyd: The.issue at this point right now is an administrative one, and the administrative has asked, as a courtesy, and thatisthe only thing we're doing. And what we're coming back with is that we're in support of what you're talking about, and you'll get our financial support. Mr. Feinman: I don't think the point of issue right now is related to funds. We're not talking about the sense...... Mayor Gleckman: I would entertain a motion that we give a letter to the Narcotic's Advisory Committee that they.can use as the support of this Council in concept of the Hot -Line Advisory Board and set-up. And that's really what we're talking about. It has nothing to do with funds. Councilman;Gillum: Mr. Mayor? I'll trynce more with another motion. I'll so move. Mayor Gleckman: Do I have a second? 'Councilman Chappell: Second �4kor Gleckman: O.K. I -have a motion and a second, now discussion. Any doubt in anybody Fs''= mind what they're asking for? O.K. All those in favor signify by saying aye. AYES: Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: -None ABSENT: None Mayor Gleckman: So ordered. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page forth -nine JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Feinman: Thank you gentlemen. We need that. Maycr Gleckman:- O.K., now you get into this....O.K.., go ahead, pardon me. Mr. Feinman: ,I want to make sure that we read 34, so30111 know that we're not only talking about the proposal of a Narcotic's Project Coordinator, we're talking about a clinic and we're talking about a professional)/supervised clinic, which would be additional funds, by either the City or community,again. And we're talking about two people, now. I want that understood in.your thinking, for whatever decision you make. Mayor Gleckman: Well, I was under the impression, Mort, that when we talk about someplace to go we're talking about a clinic. Mr.. Feinman: Un huh. Mayor Gleckman: And I was also under the impression that the Advisory Board of..the Hot -Line was going to make a recommendation as to the type of clinic, whether it's feasible, where it would be located and what will be necessary to staff it. Mr. Feinman: This is not necessarily so. Would you want to make a statement to that effect. Br. Snyder: I would say that.... Mr. Feinman: That the clinic is -not really a part of the Hot -Line... it may come to pass. Dr. Snyder: I may come ';out of the Hot -Line, but it has nothing • to do with the San Gabriel Valley Hot -Line organization right now. We're not even able to get money for the phones right now.... Mayor Gleckman: If such a clinic does ;become feasible Now are you talking about dollar wise or action wise, or what? Mr. Feinman: Remember, we are proposing this to the West Covina City Council. Mayor Gleckman: That's what I'm asking you. You say,if such_a clinic does become feasible... now what do you`:mean. That's your words, I'm reading it right here. -z"• J, Les Cravens: Can I answer on that gentlemen? I think we've got into a pretty good discussion on that and I haven't said a whole lot this evening. You've been pretty .occupied. We decided to use and put high emphasis on the words "if such a clinic becomes feasible". This is after other areas have been exhausted as far as keeping the Hot -Line going and seeing if it can be done. Mr. Feinman: p Referral services... Les Cravens: Referrals and that and if the problem becomes technical enough for. -and it could be reaching that stage at this time, then the feasibility will be upon the need of the community, not the dollars-.--;--:.-:!, or anything else. Mayor Gleckman: That's exactly what I said, Les. I said that as soon as the Hot -Line gets started that the Advisory Board would then.... Les Cravens: No... they are in no way connected. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Dr. Snyder: Well, they may or may not be. Mayor Gleckman: r. Cravens; Page fifty - Well you just said that the Hot -Line determines that it's necessary. I thought"I^heard you right. Say it again. We're looking at the problem, we're not discussing boards at this time. Mayor Gleckman: All right. Mr. Cravens: If the problem through this Hot°Line facility shows,. not througha board or anything else, just if enough calls come -in.... Mayor Gleckman: O.K., then we can't take action on this or even discuss it until that happens? Mr. Cravens: That's the point. Mayor Gleckman: That's all I'm saying. So, lefs not get into it right now. .Dr. Snyder: Let's understand also that it may not be the Hot -Line that..... Mayor Gleckman': I understand that, but what I'm saying is, let's not waste time discussing this, when I say, again, waste time, I mean we could go on for another half hour,discussing feasibility .... Mr. Feinman:' We want to be certain,that the Council is aware. of`anothe sitting and another•parcel, other • than the ot-line..... Mayor Gleckman:, If,the need and feasibility isthere. �.Mr.Cravens Fine, right, 'O. K. Mayor,Gleckman: Now, you get into the funding and I notice that you have many, many, many sources, which is one of the few things that we always get. We always get, now we need money, go find it. So I do appreciate what you hove here. I'm just trying to figure out in my own mind and for the Council's benefit as to how...what type of reaction are you looking for when you say funding, at this particular.time,'outside of the Hot-line? Mr.. Cravens: Well, if you go into the project coordinator you're talking about probably $20,000 a year. .Mayor Gleckman: O.K., but at the time that the coordinator would be worked out, and that's why I said about the two liaison people to come back with the priority thing. At the time they would come back with that as a priority item, they would come back with the.particular,methods of financing or funding,;, Cunless you want to talk about it now and.then you're really generalizing.... Mr. Feinmari NO, no, no... This is only for your information, to make you... apprize you for what could be utilized and a project could be developed and submitted to these various agencies to help George, so he can get the $50.... Mayor Gleckman: I don't mean'to push it back, i Just wanted to.... ..don't get hasty now. No... I understand, I'm only trying to say that, rather than wasting the time and go over this at this " particular time, I would say that the two liaison members of the Council.that work with you ,o would work these things out, depending on priority items., Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-one JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Now, in some of your conclusions you're asking (Cont.) the City to take certain definite steps, and I'm just wondering 1) of course is something that I brought up.to the Council that may be incorporated in this and that was that Youth Advisory Committee. At some time in the past we had decided to go into it and the., comments which came.to ,which I may ask you as soon as I'm sure that I'm setting up a Youth Advisory mmittee,to do what and what Anuld'be the make-up and what it should consist of and what it's purpose shall be. - Dr. Snyder: I,thought Owe had one of 'those a long time ago? Mayor Gleckman: We had ... we started something and we got involved to be specific,, politically, and we decided �,, to abandon it at that time. But, I think it's a good idea and I think we do need it in this.community and have needed it for some time. Mr. Feinman: We thought of "it as an injunctive force. to aid with the problems,of youth in the community that would be cJex"pressed; to you as � city ' council members. In fact, some of us even talked about the possibility of a youth on the City Council, but not knowing enough about theme z,.>.:,:, legality of it Mayor Gleckman: That's O.K.,... Thank God: Mr. Feinman: It was our view and the idea being that they would feel a part of the total function. The City of Covina, for example, is�;Lni developing -a contact alrangement with youth where they're setting up a committee where they're going to have direct confrontation meetings with the City Council,.the Police Chief, the City Manager, grid the kire Chief.on a monthly basis. 4ayor Gleckman:. I understand,.'what you're speaking of as to what this advisory. committee could do. Now, give me a general .idea of what,you're talking about as far as make-up is concerned. Feinman: Membership? Mayor Gleckman: you talking about 10 members, 3 members *: p6vmembers, 9 members, 11 members? Where should it come from,, how should it..... Mr. Feinman: We had an advisory committee adjunctive to us. and we took three from each of the High Schools. I think.now, as I look back over it, it might have been well for us to consider some from the Junior High Schools as well, on our committee in light of the fact that.,our knowledgeable awareness of where it seems to become more evident in the Junior High School period. I dont' think weever came up with a definitive statement as to the number of members. Mayor Gleckman: Let's hear from the qualitifed member of this committee on the subject. �G?Mr,. : Schons: Well, -you just brought this to my mind. How . about a representative from the Junior Colleges? In other words, people, young adults in the community who are now taking college. Mayor Gleckman: You're saying in addition to? rMrSchons: In addition to the High Scho 1 members. Because I mean I think you can realize the problem continues into college, if not intensifies in college. Adj. C.C. 10/28/69 Page- fifty=two JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Well, you're going to extend this committee to..... But, my point is .that you're trying to get a relationship from the staff point of understanding what the iproblems that the youths in the community have and what we :�.^ as 'a , ._ry,�,°city government can do for those problems and it's a two wastreet. �r. Snyder:. How you make it up.is.... You can make it up from so many:from each high school or what, but that you have a .. . you appoint such a committee or have it appointed to have them meet once a month in the City,Hall and have them send delagates to each of your commissions, just as you send a Council delegate. Their function would be advisory only, but certainly in the act and particularly commissions they could act as communication with youth,')�Ven planning commission to a degree would give them education in laal government,.but setting it up formally so that they meet '1'11bnce a month and have a council liaison to them, and they have a lisison to each of the commissions. Mr. Feinman:' I recommend a figure of about 25, considering junior high., high school and junior college up.. Mayor Gleckman: Let the committee make their appointments. I mean, let that advisory committee make their own appoint- ments to the different commissions in sequence. Mr_. Feinman: Un huh' .//(Mr.'Cravens: Could I put something out for thought? You have annual elections at the schools and if you can establish this report, this dinner meeting that you're having, ask permission to add the delegates to the City both elected at the same time they elect their other officials for their schools. And there will be.... I think you will get the top people or the popular people frmm each school. 0ouncilman Gillum: I disagree with you there. I think they should be qualified. They have run into this in their own Junior High School elections and they found out one of the qualifications that the students place on'these candidates, _. in other words, they don't 'throw it open; .was citizenship. Because at one school they had one of the very popular trouble makers almost make it as president of the school and I don't think you could throw,it open to that, because you're trying to do something constructive here. Mr Feinman Interesting enough though, on our committee, our own particular committee that we had working with us; we specifically asked that they didn't necessarill send us the .high citizenship�ff�people, that they would send us various kinds of people so that we could havefa voice. of all groups being expressed. Councilman Nichols: Mr. Mayor, if I may make an observation, without attempting to appear in any way efficient, demanding. The Council has many concerns from many commissions and many committies. And it seems to me that if the entire Council of five sitting here this. evening must concern oursei,;Ves with the details of how a committee is going to be selected and how it \is going to present candidates and how it's going to nominate them and if we're going to get bogged down in this kind of detail, we will be here all night tonight, -and all day tomorrow, nd for ever and everitrying to determine the answers to all these questions. subscribe<,M'wholeheartedly to your own suggestion, Mr. Mayor, that the 'Council appoint.a liaison to come up with some specific details and recommend- ations for the Council's actions, but I don't think we can resolve these details here this evening. Mayor Gleckman: I wasn't looking to resolve it Russ, I was just looking for sane ideas. Councilman N•ich.ols: I appreciate that. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Page fifty-three 'Councilman Chappell: and.I only saw a couple of Dr. Snyder: I want .to ask you a question. You had a youth advisory committee. Did they all show up, half of them show up? .1 attended a couple of meetings them there. They did in the beginning. OMr. Feinman: 'No'- Let's strike that. Now wait a minute, I'm sorry, let's correct that.. We had a committee of about 15'to 18 members. They met. They met initially because they were.called together. They requested to be called togetherb.,Unfortunately, our supervision fell down. But from that 18 membership they selected three,,two regular members and one alternate�to come to our committee meetings and basically and generally at the earlier.... Well, I'd say 9/10 of the sessions the youths had better attendance than most of the adults. Mayor Gleckman They did a tremendous job, they really did. Mr. Feinman:. On the commission. 'Councilman Chappell: ice? All right, fine. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. Again, I agree with the situation and we'll)again)leave that to the liaison people to decide with you on helping setting up something like that. Now is there anything..... ?Jr. Cravens: Who is going to do this? Mr. Feinman: Liaison. Mayor Gleckman: We're going to have two members of the Council • sii It with the Commission and set up priorit*es and everything and come back with specific recommendations to the Council. Now is there anything else that you want to cover at this particular time? 7dr. Ebiner: There's one item that, as you probably read in the minutes, that I had to take this argument with, as the Chairman of the ",Legislat ive ,Committee and I'd like to bring that up very quickly and I.'ll make, it as painless as possible. It's, in the way of a minority report and it has to do with item,No. 11 under the State Legislative.... Mr. Feinman: Page 24. Mayor. Gleckman: Drugs including narcotics, page 24. `EIr . 'Cravens: This was put in at our last meet ing ) and as such I will have to say,I regretably had to vote against the entire..vote against it, I voted that I would favor the rest of the proposal provided a minority opinion could be on 11, which.' .�noone said.anything about it. You can read it there and it says "Drugs should be classified for their capacity for harm to the `individual dd or society. Penalities for misuse and unauthorized possession -or sale - should be congruant with their capacity to do harm." Well, I'm not so __. •unhappy with mususe or unauthorized possession -'!.-as I am with Sale. It leads me to believe, arid'the reason I voted no in this area, was that if you can get with a drug.that you could get "experts to say that it would not do harm" the penalities for the use of this and for the sale of it would be very light if this type of feeling was within the court. And I'm of the opinion as a minority report stated that I feel that if; -- you classified drugs for their ability to do harm'to the individual or to society, you're neglecting the fact that drugs as a whole are bassically harmful to the society, on one side and on the other'dside;you have a defense coming forward with 9 or 10 experts that will state that this is used as a drug,_„ " it does not,.�,do any harm. I've had many experts state this on such things as marijuana. Page fifty-four Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) ?Mr. Cravens: You find it all over the State where they say (Cont.) well, it does no harm. Well, if the penalit'' phase or your criminal)is judged -,on the ability to do harm, then I feel he is... he's found an out, so to speak. Let's put ourselves in the job of selling drugs for a moment.and if you had two drugs, one which you have experts behind you that say it will not do harm Wd one which wil], I believe you would be more interested in selling the e that would say, it wouldn't.do harm, because when you go into the prosecution area you would be treated as such and possibly let go. So, I don't want to make it a lengthy discussion, I just want to register the fact that it's the one area of 'the report that I couldn't go along with. Mayor Gleckman: In other words, in one area of the report, if a recommendation were made to the executive branch of the Federal Government you wouldn't want to... ?dr. •Cravens :- I believe this Was a mistake.... Dr. Snyder: I I have to make a minority report,too. Mr. Feinman: Wait a minute now, is it a minority report? 2 'Mayor Gleckman: Can I make a suggestion, in that regarding this we also make both the'majortiyl and minority reports to the liaison and let them come back and discuss it with the Council. Because I tell you why, we could get into a ph)""losophy discussion here that would last all night and we wouldn't be any further than we are right now. Mr. Feinman: Well,.the a.... Dr. Snyder: Well, since the other minority report was allowed I think........ �ayor Gleckman: How about if we make off without reading yours? Dr. Snyder: Huh? Mayor Gleckman: No..the point that I'm making, Doctor, is that I think that,.again, this is going to have to come through the committee in order to get some action so all you would be really doing is giving us an opinion for us to digest and use our own judgement, and I think the two guys that you want to influence are the two guys that will make a report to this Council. .Mr. Feinman: Wr Ebiner::: Mayor Gleckman: Vr. Ebiner: Mr. Feinman: 74r. Ebiner: Or. Feinman: I would like to call..... May I ask a question? Go ahead. Are we going to get into the Senate Bill 2637 concerning the Dangerous Substances Act? No' We're not? No. Well, then I viould like to recommend{t that the lisison members read this. Mayor Gleckman: What's the reason? Because otherwise we're going to t; be here all night on this. Mr. Feinman: Despite the minority report thatwas­;already written, I'd like to call your attention that inclusive in here is number 11 of our report. Mayor Gleckman: O.K., O.K. I can see right now that there:: was an internal situation in this, which is good, This is our ........ Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-five JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mr. Feinman: This/tshe way to go and this is the way we're going to go. MaycrGleckman: O.K. Before we close this off, let me just say that the National Association of District Attorneys requested a reproduction of this Mayor's Narcotic Jvisory Committee report. Mr. Feinman: Who was it? 21)Mayor Gleckman: The National Association of District Attorneys. They�',,re having two conventions this year. They did receive a copy of the report and they thought it was so good that they would like to have our permission to reproduce it for their convention. I thought that since I got the request on Friday that this meeting was,going to be held on Tuesday, that I would like to find out, first of all) if the Advisory Committee has any objections, first of all, and then I would like to ask permission of the Council to answer them and give them permission to reproduce it with a cover letter stating that, first of all, that this is the Mayor's Narcotic Advisory Committee's final report, prior to any action being taken by the elective body and stating that if they desire any further information, why just to correspond and to let us know where and when and how this is going to be used. Dr. Snyder:. I thought you wanted me to hand deliver it...... Mayor Gleckman: I've already had 17 offers, so know I'll mark down number 18. When I ask for 18 representatives...... Mr. Feinman: On behalf of the committee we are all in concurance with this . 8r. Snyder: No, not until I get my minority report in it. Jokyor Gleckman: Incidently, that convention is going to be held at West Covina, so.... - Mr. Feinman: This report as is, that's all, that's all I ask. Mayor Gleckman: Now I'm talking about whether this report can be reproduced, as is, as it was presented to the' Mayor's Committee. Dr. Snyder: Notwith my name on it' Mr. Feinman: Hold it. I would like to point out that this particular report submitted to.you this evening has been submitted before and is up for consideration this evening Wiis voted on by our committee, was passed by our committee, the members Cuing in this room here this evening. Now, that particular one.... Mayor Gleckman: You all understand what I'm saying? ? Yes. Mr. Feinman: The one that they have in their hands. Mayor Gleckman: There are no conclusions, there are no exceptions, there are no comments, just the way it was presented to us, is the manner in which they want t,o reproduce<3it. And I'm saying that the cover letter that would be sent to them would be explicit enough to explain to them that there has been no action or no decisions.......... . Dr. Snyder: If you take my name off, it's all .right. Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-six JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) ? I hate to be curious, but what's wrong with it? Isn't it a committee thing? Dr. Snyder: yor Gleckman: Mr. Feinman: Mayor Gleckman: Dr. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: I)r. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: 'Judge Alex: Dr. Snyder: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Feinman: ZJudge Alex: artha : Mayor Gleckman: '11r . Cravens: Well., if we're going to put in minority reports I ..... There's no minority reports' There's no minority reports in there' I'm not talking about anything that was taped tonight, I'm talking about.... It's in the minutes. No, no, no. I'm talking about this report, the one you presented.' to us to talk about tonight. With a minority report. There's no minority report. This may go on all night. Not with my name on it. Why? Mort? May I make a mot ion that we give the Council approval to forward the letter as requested? We have to come into session quickly, if we can. Who made that motion? I really did this as a matter -of courtesy people, I mean).. let me explain -one thing to you. Mayor Gleckman? Mayor Gleckman:. Not now. This is `the Mayor's Advisory Committee, just a minute.. Let me just say this to you. I explained to you somet me_�before, that this committee shouldn't and couldn't take any action without prior approval by the City Council and that the City Council would have the final.say on anything that wound come out of this committee. Now I want that underrstood, because I've said that time and again. It's not anything new.. In other words, if you were to go ahead and say yes, and the Council were to say, no, it wouldn't be done, If you were to say no and the Council says yes, it will be done. And as a courtesy to this committee I'm asking whether you have.any objections if the Council voted.to allow them to reproduce it. Now, take your_action. '?Nir. 'Cravens: Now, wait a minute. We first and seconded it and you should ask if there is any discussion. Mr. Feinman: Is there any discussion on it? �r. Snyder: I would like to resign from the Committee and have my name removed from -the ....... Mayor Gleckman: Why don't you shut off the tape, this has nothing to do with us. Councilman Gillum: If we didn't force the; issue, we'd still be talking about the $300.. Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-seven JOINT,MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Gillum, please ....... I would now ask the Mayor's Narcotic Advisory Committee if they have any objection to the reproductionjor giving permission to the National Association of District Attorneys for reproduction? Mr. Feinman: The Committee has no objection whatsoever. 6yor Gleckman: Gentlemen, what's your pleasure? Zouficilman Gillum: I move that we allow the National Association of District Attorneys request for reproduction of the Narcotics Advisory Committee Report be approved. Mayor Gleckman: Do I have a second. :councilman Chappell: Second. Mayor Gleckman: I hava a motion and a second, any discussion? All those -in favor signify by saying aye. AYES: Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSENT: None Mayor Gleckman: So ordered. I have- an-,.:_ , for the benef it of the members of the Nar oc tics Advisory Committee, unbeknownst to me thus was put on the Agenda, which was a presentation of certificates, which we normally give to the Advisory Committies that have served the City and I asked Harry to hold off the presentation of these certificates until a regular City Council Meeting and until we disposed of the ..... which would have nothing to do with the dispostion of the future of this committee. So I don't want you to think because the certificates are on there that means the Committee is through, at's it, and etc. But as long as the certificates have 4;en prepared they 11 be given to you at a future Council meeting. So, if there's no objection I would entertain a motion that this be<.held over. Councilman Gillum: So moved ?Councilman Chappell: Second Mayor Gleckman: I have a motion and a second, any discussion? All those in favor signify by sa3ing aye. AYES: Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSENT: None Mayor Gleckman: Item #2 is a letter to the Chief of Police regarding the Juvenile Program that was brought up last night. Councilman Gillum: What are their programs,sir? Mayor Gleckman: Well, their phase I of this program was a........ had to do with a letter that you all received. It had to do with north of the Freeway. And the information that I have is, because we just received it and because I just t-requested the information of the City Manager yesterday, that they have _i,made me inquiries, but the report is not complete, so I would ask that the matter at we requested to come up this evening be held over to our next regular meeting. Councilman Gillum: So moved councilman Chappell: Second F Mayor Gleckman: We have a motion and a second, anyy discussion? Adj . C.C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-eight JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) 'Councilman Mr. Mayor? I thought maybe in view of the �66finent_sof the Gentleman last night in Good Will Industires that we make a special effort to notify ;!whoever is, not all of these people, but whoever appears to be the leaders of this group that it will appear on the agenda at such and such a time. yor Gleckman: Oh, I was trying to figure the tie-up there. Touncilman No, there's no tie-up between this and Goodwill. Mr. Aiassa: We're individually contacting each one of them. ?councilman Huh? Mr. Aiassa: We're individually trying to contact each one of them. :councilman Well, we should send them a note or something. The only thing)I felt that the gentleman from Goodwill was really not totally fair, but '"I think he was justified in, -he should have been notified. Mayor Gleckman: O.K. The point is that these people be notified. Any other comments? All those infavor, signify by saying aye. So ordered. AYES: Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSEN)T_: None ' EXECUTIVE SESSION - 10:,45PM. RECONVENED AT 11:10 P.M. Mayor Gleckman:' -We've already gone into the Executive Session,. so let me... wait a minute.... let me just say in closing, first, again, my appreciation to the mmittee for coming out this evening; , :;;in full force I should,--s:ay. I know was an effort on your part, but we have a problem making meetings because we have.so many meetings scheduled. And I would now appoint Councilman Gillum and myself to act as Liaison to this Committee to come back with definite and positive recommendations, priority, and I would request of your Committee to call the meeting, preferably not on a Monday night, especially if we're having a Council Meeting, but on just about any other night, I think we could make it'. So, I'll leave it up to...... Mr. Feinman: Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Gillum Mayor Gleckman Martha: Mayor Gleckman: Martha: Feinman: We have a meeting on Wednesday, November Wednesday, November 12th. to that,.Tom? No. M Fine. So I..... (Couldn't hear) You have any objections; Well, now you take it up with your..... Well, I will. We're having our meeting Wednesday, November 12th. Mayor Gleckman: O.K.; If there's any change, let us know, cause we're pretty flexable. Again, on behalf of the Council, I want to thank you. I think the job you have done and are doing is tremendous and I hope we'll be able to back you up with some action. Any other comments by the Council? Tom? Russ? Councilman Nichols: I do want to thank them also for this, I'd say year -and a halfs effort and certainly �. ,itT' tbore a .1`ot_of fr_ uit.:: _................ . and I'm looking f rwi�rd to helping- to ;get behind>many of the items they've brought out here. Adj . C. C. 10/28/69 Page fifty-nine JOINT MEETING WITH NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE (Cont.) Mayor Gleckman: I would,entertain a motion to adjourn. Councilman Gillum: So moved. Vouncilman Chappell Second Mayor Gleckman:. I have a motion and a second. Any Discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye': .AYES: Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSENT: None j�,