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09-22-1969 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING -OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WEST COVINA', CALIFORNIA September 22, 1969 The regular meeting of the City Council was called -to order at 7:30 P.M. by Mayor Leonard S..Gleckman, in the Council Chambers in -the -West Covina City Hall.'- The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Lloyd and -the -Invocation was given by H. R. Fast, .Assistant City Manager.. ROLL CALL Present: Mayor Gleckman, Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Absent:- None . Others present: George Aiassa. City Manager H. R, Fast, Assistant City Manager Lela Preston, City Clerk, George Wakefield, City Attorney George Zimmerman, City -Engineer Michel•Bedaux, Ass°te Planning Director AWARD OF BIDS 1970 WEED AND RUBBISH City,Clerk advised -that bids were received ABATEMENT PROGRAM in the office of 'the City Clerk at 10:00 A.M. Wednesday,' September 17,,1969,. Review Engineer'sreport,• • RESOLUTION NO. 4048• "A RESOLU TION OF THE CITY. COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING ADOPTED AWARD OF CONTRACT TO ED WATTS TO ABATE WEEDS -AND RUBBISH ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 'PROVISIONS OF TITLE .4, DIVISION. 3, PART 2, .CHAPTER -13, ARTICLE 2, OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE." Mayor Gleckmanr` Hearing no objection, waive further reading of the body of the Resolution. Motion by..Counc-ilman Gillum, seconded by.Councilman Chappell, to adopt said.Resolution.. Motion passed on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Gillum Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None :. ABSENT: None RESOLUTION NO. 4049 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING ADOPTED.AWARD OF CONTRACT TO.R. A. RICHARDSON TO ABATE WEEDS AND RUBBISH ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE-PROVIS.IONS OF TITLE 4, DIVISION 3, PART 2, CHAPTER 13, ARTICLE•2, OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE." .*,.Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objection, waive further reading of the body of. the Resolution. 'Reg. C.-C. 9/22/69 Page two AWARD OF BIDS (cont.) RESOLUTION NO. 4049 Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman; Chappell, :to adopt said Resolution. Motion passed on roll call vote as follows: • AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSENT: None PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS ACCEPTANCE OF WASTE DISPOSAL FACILITIES BOND B.K.K. COMPANY Motion by Councilman Gillum seconded by 'Councilman Chappell, and carried, to accept bond for150,000 waste disposal facility bond f or.sanitary landfill operation. .PROJECT NO'. MP 690I.8-I LOCATION: Galster Park GRADING IMPROVEMENTS" BOMAC CONSTRUCTION, INC. ACCEPTED Motion. by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried accepting grading improvements and authorizing release of Pacific Employers Insurance Company Bond .No. M-138,919 in the amount of $32,392.•50• Mayor Gleckman: The hour of 8::00. o'clock not having • arrived, we will skip over to Item C, Planning Commission.`. PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW ACTION OF Upon.clarification of certain items in SEPTEMBER 17, i9690- the Planning Commission action.to be taken.up by the Council later, motion. was made by -Councilman Gillum, seconded by.Councilman Chappell'and carried, to accept and -file the Summary of.Action's taken by the Planning Commission at its regular meeting of September 17, 1969. RECREATION"AND PARK COMMISSION Mayor Gleckman:. There are no recreation minutes for this evening® I did ,receive some this' after- noon, but we will not bring them into discussion since they are not on the agenda. PERSONNEL BOARD iMayor Gleckman: Does anybody have any corrections -or, anything to add of the minutes of July 8, July 15, July 28,. or August 5? Councilman.Nichols:' I have a question for the City Manager. . Why has there been such'a pile up of personnel minutes and why they are..delayed ..for this long,_ Mr. Aias.sa? -2 - Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page three PERSONNEL BOARD .(Cont®) Mr. Aiassas " The gal that is typing "these minutes had ':to type the -City Council meeting, the Planning Commission meeting; and. others.` At``.that time', she was getting'the.work done and she wanted , to 'do =the Council` will not be a -delay from and . the Planning Commission too.-. There here on. Councilman Chappell:. July;- 8-, I. was present for that meeting... Mayor Gleckman: Any other comments .by the Council? If not,- I would,entertain`a_motion to accept the minutes of July;8, 1969, as corrected.` Motion by.Councilman Niehols, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and. carr..ied, to accept and file the .minutes of July 8'' , 1969, as corrected, f the. minutes of -July 15,1. 1969, July. 28, - 1969, -and August 1969, HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Mayor'..Glec•kmana No Human Relations.Commisson business, and it is to.o'early for Oral Communications. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS": Councilman Lloyds' I have'something over here that was left here this eve.ning.. Which G-2 takes 'precedence? • Mayor Gleckman: Well,, all; the G®2. that you have . this evening that were. -in -your file. Those having to do with. zoning .cases will come -up .at the time , of the.rdifferent zoning cases: a). Letter from Senator Motion by Councilman Lloyd, Lawrence E. Walsh seconded by Councilman Chappell,: re _,Quimby -Walsh Act. .r and. -carried,, to refer to City :., •'Attorney to review 'in connection with Municipal "Code. b) Zone Change Request Motion by Councilman Lloyd, Wallace,D. King. seconded by Councilman Chappell, 617 North Lark -Ellen. :, and carried, to refer to Planning Avenue. Department. c) 'Resolution.from;TASC Motion by Councilman Gillum; re revising and de-a seconded by Councilman Lloyd, creasing the, e*c;e-ssive .:. and carried, to receive and :Prdc6dur.es'And controls refer to staff;' developed fore the TOPICS Program® _• 3 Reg. C'. C . 9/22/69 Page f our: . WRITTEN,:C'OMMUNICATIONS-(coot.) _ d) --San Gabriel Academy of- Motion 'by Councilman. Lloyd, Seventh=day Adventists seconded" by. Councilman' Chappell, re Candy and Peanut . sale and carried to grant ,request.- . October 13 '= 2.9, 1969. . Councilman Ll.oyd: Mr Aiassa,':is that what we did.last•year? Mr. Aiassa: Yes... Councilman Chappell:- From October,13-t.o.the 29th, 1969? Mr. Aiassa: Yes. _ e) Ed Laberge re:' Motion..by .Couneilman.'Nichols, ` Cancellation of seconded.by;Coun.bilman Gillum, .a. Sewer Bond. and carried to�.receive and refer to staff... D4ayor�:Gle'ckman:. Is there':,any discussion?. Councilman Nichols:: '' I would wonder if, we could, have a. report back, on this so that ,the Council could know what-.the.reso.lution of this situation 'quite is., The .communication to, the ,City from Mr. I ' rge is strong and. quite pointed and indicates by inference that,. the City has ''sinned. greatly, arid S®m, .inclined to think he is totally correct. Mayor Gleckman: jf. A word :back' from staff ' has been requested. O . K? . =. Mr. Aiassa:" All aright. • f.) Gilbert Fine Car ey ts Motion by Councilman Nichols s, , re Auction. sale of -' seconded by. Councilman. Gillum, Persian -Rugs. and..carried- to. receive and refer to staff,.- g) NOTICE.TO PUBLIC :-UTILITIES re Request for Public - Hearing re West. Covina Heliport. Councilman Lloyd: We have the item on.the,agenda pertaining tothis. I would .suggest that we ::.carry this over.,k . Mayor Glec'kmans Could we hold this matter: over..;.for the -hearing? .Councilman.Lloyd: O.K.. h) ' Mr. & Mrs. McCal.lister. protesting `Z.C.' No, .426. and Precise Plan 576'. • Mayor Gleckman: If the Council..has no obj"ection, we will' hold this:over- :to.item B-1a No objections were given., Reg. Q.C. 9/22/69 Page five .CITY ATTORNEY ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION The City Attorney Presented: ;' AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF WEST COVINA, AMENDING THE .MUNICIPAL:CODE.RELATING TO LANDSCAPE • MAINTENANCE ENFORCEMENT... M"otion by Councilman.Lloyd,'seconded by Councilman'Chappell,. and carried, , that further reading of the body: -, of said Ordinance: be waived. :Motion by Councilman Lloyd,' seconded by'Councilman "Chappell, and carried, that said Ordinance be introduced.. Mayor-�,,.C.7,eckmanr- _ .. • �ltem�N®:�`, . . .Mr. Wakefield:' Mayor Gleckman and members of the City Council, in. -Item No. 2 for adoption there are two typographical errors to be corrected. In Section 2 it"refers to a new Sect -ion 9202.2 A.E. It:should be A.F.. The same change should be made in the section. number itself Mayor Gleckmans: This is to be corrected by the City Attorney. ORDINANCE NO. 1096 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED OF WEST COVINA, AMENDING THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE SO AS TO REZONE CERTAIN PREMISES (Zone Change.No. 425 - Albert'Handler) • Motion by Councilman Gillum,.seconded b Councilman Lloydand Y Y v carried, that further -reading of the body of said Ordinance .be waived® Motion.•by Councilman 'Gillum;- seconded by Councilman •Lloyd, to adopt the foregoing Ordinance.-. Ordinance adopted on roll:'call vote as follows: AYES: .Councilmen Gillum, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: Councilmen Nichols, Chappell ' ABSENT None ORDINANCE NO. 1097 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED OF WEST COVINA ANNEXING TO THE CITY OF WEST COVINA THAT CERTAIN UNINHABITED TERRITORY DESCRIBED AND HEREINAFTER DESIGNATED,AS.EASTERLY ANNEXATION NO. 211 TO THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. Motion by Councilman.'Chappell, seconded by Councilman Nichols,. and carried,.that further reading of the"body of. said Ordinance be waived. • Motion'by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Nichols, to adopt the foregoing Ordinance. Ordinance adopted on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell,•Lloyd, Gleckman, NOES: None ABSENT: None ` m5s Reg.-.C.C. 9/22/69 Page 'seven ' CITY ATTORNEY.(cont.) MERCED AVENUE HORSE RANCH Oral Report from the City 'Attorney Mr. Wakefield.: This is simply to report that the action to abate so-called Merced Avenue Horse Ranch as a,public nuisance, was filed in the Superior Court on last Wednesday. The complaint is -now in, the hands of the Marshall for service upon the defendant owners of the' property. As soon as the complaint is served, we will begin to -take depositions from the neighbors in. the surrounding area, in an attempt to get a preliminary injunction as soon.as possible. ,Mayor Gleckman:'. Open that up for discussion? No discussion® 'CORTEZ PARK CONDEMNATION SUIT Progress Report from the City Attorney . Mr. Wakefield: Mayor Gleckman, the .Cortez Park Suit is set for.pre-trial in this matter for the latter, part of October. We expect it to go -to trial in the early part -of January. We have filed and have'the first hearing on the' action with respect to the .obligation of the property owners to supply, water forAortez .Park, in the Municipal Court on'Wednesday of this week® Councilman Gillums Doyou anticipate any other legal maneuver that could happen.to delay this again? Mr. Wakefield: I don®t believe so Mr. Gillum, but I , think the ingenuity of man'is hard to foretell and we never can be sure though that something new won®t be brought up in -it. -Councilman Gillum: In your professional opinion, -:-: will we be able to start this thing and get, it over with? Mr. .Wakefield: It is possible.. CITY MANAGER ; APPROVAL OF APPROPRIATIONS APPROVAL OF APPROPRIATIONS -FOR LEAGUE CONFERENCE for attendance of -14 persons. at the League of California Cities convention, with expenditure note to exceed $175.,,,�,�-- Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded. by Councilman Chappell,_ and carried to approve appropriations as'requested. Approval -by roll • call vote as follows: ". AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman NOES: None ABSENT: None -7- Rog. C.C. 9/22/69 . CITY MANAGER ('cont.).' e.. eight ACCOUNT'NO. 149Z. BUDGET. Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Mayor and Councilmenkas requested we have ?ormulated a' budget which is : I at ached to the fiscal budget, Lan — I . Zmaommend - � t t the estimate as--we---wau-l.d-1i-ke after July 1. But in'1970 and 71�it will appear as part of the basic budget and at that time the Council will have a chance to review it and- approve it as our guide for the budget for 1969.-70, Mr. Wakefield: It is not necessary to have a resolution. Just do.i.t by motion. Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Lloyd: Mayor .Gleckman: Mr® Wakefield: City approves. the attached.`budget. for 1969,Aor-the"recreation and charge program x $690250. Should.that be in there? Any other comments? We don't need a roll call vote? No, sir. Mayor,Gleckman: S6,ordered® UPDATING CITYOS ECONOMIC FACT -.BOOK - Letter Agreement .Wilbur McCann Mr. Aiassa:, Well, I have to.have some..indication from • the Council that we will authorize a4- work session with the Chamber of Commerce) /. updating of the economic report -can be made and I would. like to have � the City Managerdirectedto see if'we can have a sharing'of expenses--.`, Mayor Gleckman: Carryover to next meeting. , Councilman Lloydr- Before the motion? ' Mayor Gleckman: We have a motion to carry -this matter over .t.o ,our next meeting. ®t� Councilman Lloyd: What is this.. all-,about?:_`What ate. -we 6Bwa going to "rtr- bute�? .Mrs Aiassa: `` '"""�"' sheet5that we have ' , Th�green comnierEaM been usin for the last thre years. �.._ We have now almost tyears We take the basic census data and put it into a us0able booklet that is being .distributed to all usinesses and organizations seeking this type of employ '``� �_� Councilman Lloyd: How many copies are -you going to print? -8 -/�-, Re C.CO: a/22/69 Page nine, CITY -MANAGER. (Cunt.) ECONOMIC -FACT BOOK (coot.®) Mr. Aiassa: Five thousand or betters Councilman Lloyd :, �,, sty. Jzaur.th inc hide s ,.the: printing? (, �' � .A Mr Aiassa.s 'h�: l `ff -',rfita✓k+^ing- up of the brochure ��w`e ,4 are using our own multilith,__!i ._ _up_ dat'w.at any time during the year'` that we have new' facts=.ter`• ' A-`u� Councilman Lloyd: You and y yours. staf ' '-prepare this. Isn° t that correct? Mr® Aiassa.: rhi gent s leman"is to dohall the sA,tical analysis :of..the census an �(�� r i� ` it , into a .compact package . We just make up -the :brochure from that, He'wa�rited originally $28OC. Councilman Lipyd:. is still a lot of money involved and I want `_to make .,sure` we . are getting our moneys worth® Mr ® Aiassa: , : can�only suer-t-ax y-ou-whaty we have. ,4done before on this ' same bogklet a It is,the only booklet -that- we now.have ,or everhad_to use l f or`. new ,organizations such as. J ®C ®^Penney and- Bullocks;:.. It is a .very &... statistical .bookle.t. Councilman Lloyd: We'are' not. approving. this' 'tonight we?, Mayor' Gleckman Any further .discussion ACarry over, to.� `s next meeting... ORANGE%MERCED. A,VENUE.-.APPRAISAL Mr®:,Aiassa: fi Well,:.as-,the Council knows that this was. the request. made . from the Planning Commission to the Council; wehave 'a proposal ;made by Mr Baker the 54 parcels for a fee of. $500 Councilman Lloyd: $.5.4'® Mayor- Glen kman-:.; f Yes Counclmari:Llo ds _ y That :is really very cheap, or am. I,g. , Mr ® A a a s r --� ��hedd he amount ocres into the ' «..,, , amount. of. parcel,s;,an-e,.. baf asic siag5e ot: " case the property is put .to- gether for a package® Councilman.'Lloyds It did sound like a terrific bargain. MayorGleckman: ��lnaa�motion thendation_�,and I° llxenter at the firm of Harrison ... ". Re Baker and Associates, be retained to, -9 j N< Reg. C , C'® 9/22/69 Page ten: CITY MANAGER (coat,)- -ORANGE/MERGED AVENUE `APPRAISAL .. ''_ (c.ont . Ma or`Gleekmans (cont®make an - . appraisal of tk parcels gym. designated for ultimate ' industrial~ . use in .the , Orange/Merced Avenue. Industrial Park, for., a .fee .of $500e Motion -by -Councilman Lloyd, seconded ..by Councilman 'Chappell, and approved)by.. roll ._call vote 'as follows:,, AYES: • Councilman Gillum, -Nichols, Chappell, •Lloyd, Gleckman NOES% None. .ABSENT s . None Mayor Gleckman: I, would further entertain a motion that r the :City Council re®evaluater'in, this area, and" g*e have. a list for this, .a. with the possibll y con' idesdtion .of: returning the` fees .to the -two persons.• who will- not directly- benefit from _th appraisal r--e- gard-i-ng---t e-merc•e4�r-- tudy.1' ` here -wasv an amount of money presented 'to. the. C ounc il- at that. time f or. the. City to `engage in an appraisal :..of -this particular.. area.,. They- wanted to. do'-their'part .since they' were the'.ones that would -.gat -the i ould gat -the. most benefit, and at that time we .accepted .the money, We havenl:t heard .anything about' the money or had inquiries as; to 'what happened. -,We are: going to take this money they;:donat'd.to use for Harrison R. Baker.-® two, of: the people do not ;live, in the particular. area and ar.e.:not.. helped.:by this situation ®- so the -staff felt, that .maybe we ought. to :re'turn the money to, those. two individuals' who donl-t get: a direct benefit. Motion: by ;Councilman Chappell,'. seconded` by :Councilman Lloyd and carried, , to return the. donated. money to.the two individuals. (No roll.. call..vote) - PUBLIC HEARINGS Mayor Gleckmans The hour'of 8 o;clock ,having arrived, .the Chair declares this: is the time and place`. for public hearings to be held. ZONE CHANGE NOe-426 Location: Southeasterly...corner of Garvey PRECISE PLAN ' NO. 576, and Holt Aven ie t HARRY, SNYDER R equest s' . 1) :• Approval . of a -zone change from Neighborhood-commercial_(N-C) to. Se'rvice4ommercia.l (S-C ); 'and 2) approval °of. a ;precise plan of :design for a 'drive-thru restaurant. Recommended by Planning Commission'Resolutions.No® 2183 and 2184. Mr Bedaux® 'Assistant Plannin'c-t g Direor, read, Resolution No 2183 of- trie Planning Commission referring to Zone Change. No® 426.and Res:olu tion-No® 2184-referring_'to Precise Plan.of Design-Na.- 576, arid"re- ferred.-to-'.th6 displayed - slides': THE CHAIR"DECLARED THIS IS THE.TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC.HEARING. i ON ZONE CHANGE NO.-426:AND PRECISE PLAN.NO. 576. a • S• Reg C.C. 9/22/69 Page eleven. PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont..) . PROPONENTS Ted Gorrel1 Mr: Gorrel-l.was sworn-_.1n 'by' 'the City Clerk.:. • 711 N. Adams Park,Dr.: Covina The present zone plan change, I believe, would be :quite beneficial.' :At the present ,time,• this. is 'a vacant piece: of property:,. a very small property., Only certain,types of buildings_.will"go on" here. Present.zoning requires a drive-in restaurant.. There :isn't enough'parking area on this for a drive-in_ restaurant I' think with -the. zoning change , •.there- will .be' quite a bit of revenue -that .will come -into the"city.: The operation- that Mr Snyder `.follows`.1s.very smooth. I.have'bee'n managing his property for .the' last, two years . I haven.' t had: any complaint,' of any of the neighbors around our drive:-inwI think'it-would be quite•.beneficial for the people,in the,area, also for: students that-. are attending Mt SAC and adults. that: might, be looking. fora �a meal between work; and going to. school in the "evening., -:and I .would like to. see-thisz-one ,change Deon Carrico _ Mr.. Carrico was sworn; in: by the --City• Clerk. -2�Ad-. Santiago eWest Covina -:I .feel the.Planning :Commissio.n has ex tensively; studied the problem. I believe .the Fl�ocation of the • property goes'. alon with the ..._ � vio g. general conforms of.previous City ..Planners: and I:'can't :see any .valid, objections to the plan. OPPONENTS `• Paul. Plummer Mr. : Plummer •was sworn in by the City •Clerk._ 3244 E• Holt Avenue_ toles- Covina - : This is ' two blocks from, the; proposed restaurant -.1 have.: lived here for 24 years: When we moved,. to our present location.,on:Holt Avenue it was to get to be _out in the country. y• I.'m noto pposed to progressThe country is now ..-9%� �}aerrrgdsburse and is'now the :city. About two :years_ ago a- res= taurant opened near the corner of .Rowland and Barranca:. West "Covina, as, we'&ive• here,. is' a city of beautiful home d beautiful landscaping{ . s the -years .have page *- dDur 'fr`ontage is 1�6. eet on Holt Avenue" O our - A. all. fi parkwayn;;my,wife and I have picked up anywhere from , two, ' to 'four, bags _ Hof trash that were tossed -out.. We have a ,lot of ; lands.caping and we don't have. a street, light: -here 6 is'..a transformer_ :on the pole bu•t' it .doesn'_t -give much .light. Wr�h . °WO) . c `tom =' . all th brush��or fast moving. cars P e are `in direct. -opposition to W" this for that reason I ftt not opposed .to c-omme ce;C, Why couldn't: it be a different type .of restaurant where -they are in. the °,building and leave their stuff in the building rather,'than.haul it out to the car and toss it out as they leave Thank you J /" Y +:F Y6'=F`h+.- �rFis-i.,r�ft s!..rN.��,.� �¢•'i^.� . �;,. -11- t � .:. � E�'��^' �'' �_g' �'°i. ld''�' !9•;.. Reg. C.C.. 9/22/69 Page twelve' PUBLIC. HEARINGS (cont.) OPPONENTS Zone Change No. 426. Precise Plan'No. 576 Mayor.Gleckman: For the record, I would like to make note of four letters in opposition to this zoning change; one'by Dan Kief, 750 South Service; -one -by Charles Wimky, Covina;- one by Daniel N. Cullen, on [- rginia Avenue, and.one by Mr. & Mrs. E. E. McCallister. I don't have.an address.,on the letter, but also West Covina. Does the Council want'to-have these received and filed or would you like to have them read .into the record? Councilman Nichols: I have read the letters and suggest -they be filed.-.. I, find that acceptable. Motion by Councilman Ni�c_hols, seconded by Councilman Loyd and carried, that aforementioned letters.be•.received and ,filed. Mayor.Gleckman: For the purpose of the proponents, I think . that a copy of these letters should be given in case they would like to make any comments in rebuttal. Would you''like to take these letters Mr. Gorrell or Dr.'Carrico? (Letters given). OPPONENTS (cont.) E. F. McKay E.. F. McKay was sworn in by _the City Clerk. 3228 E. Holt Avenue` West Covina I don,t,want to repeat was Mr. Plummer said but I:have live on East Holt-for:-23 years. ,That., as you know, is the .entrance to Covina Highlands. We were assured it was always going to be residential and next to impossible for commercial up -there. However, time marches on and possibly it will.change in. time. Holt Avenue is a very wide street in front of our place. We are .90.feet.from the corner of the proposed hamburger stand. It is a lover.'.s lane right now because we are out in.'the country. People',come.out there at night and throw their -cans and.bottles•and we.±'pick.them up rather than have the city complain about it, the same„as Mr.. Plummer. We are -afraid with a hamburger stand going in the're�it�will be that much worse. It is -real' -wide on Holt Avenue right in front of there. It was out in the country -when we bought -it, but if they come out there now, they are going to.come.out therewith a purpose and we are just a little bit -upset it will bring an undesirable element and police protection is'at a minimum right now.and probably will be The suggested closing time was one -thirty A.M.., the time the wolves howl: -12- Reg.' C.C. 9/22"/69. Page thirteen PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) E. F. McKay (cont.) In.summarizing, we see that the Planning' . Commission ,saw fit. to vote nay, two members of. it did as to .the feasibility of this.venture there. I don't believe that -the value of our -property will be enhanced by the addition of a.ham'burger stand.. The' applicaann�t has three hamburgers stands'in this area right now that are/,in residential areas. I contend that there must be _so o her place that would b.e - more ..suited than the en- trance to Covina Highlands . Thank you. /%mil REBUTTAL Ted - Gorre ll . 711 : W . • Adams . Park Dr : ' Covina..; �e I would like` to say .this. The last gentleman Aspoke'.anA,-said that police protection was to a minimum. He would: probably, have- a .lot. better police protection if .we. were. in there. -Not 'because: we call -them 'or.' need them-, but because the police .eat"in the other stands. I would wager 'there are 8• to 10 every -shift that "eat' in their hamburger stands.; That's from the -Sheriff's Department, theHighway Patrol,. and . the local police department.,I've talked-with.many of these people and they'say.they take their lunch their wives.prepare and make a change of pace by coming back to'eat at the In and -Out.' They've tried.McDonald's on Rowland Avenue,61 happen to know about this situation too. Yes, that,was ve'ry.bad. They don•'t.have the supervision that we have in our stands. We don't like to have a lot of parking,area so 'that they stay there and -make it a gathering place. In. fact$:,if we find that out, we will chain. off an area. The parking- lots..are all, -designed so that the people in the stands may supervise these parking areas, and I believe you would find 'that you would have.much better,police protection -in the area, not because we .have .to..call them for our -operation, but -because they will be there to eat their meals in the evening and during the day. Harry Snyder Mr. Snyder was. -sworn -in by the City Clerk. 1404 W.-Covina Blvd. =" San Dimas Onone of these letters.that we had. ..here, I`11 hand them back-!-' they •intimated e.t Woui.d be a hangout, for the kids.* The kids are going to go aA4: shou> d be wheTe the can be controlled.. They are the West Covina kids-, the Baldwin Park kids. They are not -the -,same as they -were 20 years.ago: We are not making a hangout.. We are in business as, ahamburger stand.. Where kids do congregate don'.t mean that you've got problems. We -13- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fourteen .'PUBLIC- HEARINGS. (cont) Harry-: Snyder (cont:) have no problems— We keep them con trolled and I still believe that 90/ of the children`• good kids and you have'a lot in West Covina." -You won't find that trouble. We want to -be -agood ne ghbor.�ov We:.'o t h ve to go (� in that location.. That. fellow,l what is he going to do with it? It's too small t_ Nobody will.build a house there. We pay in the neighborhood of. --ter .P ,-., �.•.-•`�- `�- Mayor Gleckman: You hAve'to, when speaking.rebuttal, stay with the 'Points made by the _ opposition and not make any new testiinony.' Harry Snyder: Then there isn't anything else .I can say. THE CHAIR DECLARED THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING CLOSED. COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Gillum: I have a question. You get into this area of drive-thru and drive-in restau- rants. I think it was about a year or two ago that we, . along with- the Planning Commission, tried to -defi-n'e.what was a drive-thru and what.was a drive-in. The appli- cant is,'requesting a.zone change -for a drive-thru and precise plan for parking. I will have to question whether we have a drive-thru or a drive-in, Mr. Bedaux: It,,doesn't make any. difference. The; S C would require a minimum of ten. parking-, Spaces. t Councilman Gillum3 As a drive-thru?. 1411 Mr.-Bedaux: •.It would .make no difference'.' Councilman,Gillum: They can drive through*or they can also sit, in the • cars and eat` there? Mr. Bedaux: -Yes. Councilman Gillum: I think a point has been made in fact I have said it before, I don't mean to -re- flect on any business., but as .far asI m concerned I think there are enough hot dog and taco stands.^`"" ' �f also- eenEens�� pn; n� +}�e--fe;nra-and .wire Garvey Avenue is eliminated,:it is going. to cut down somewhat on the traffic there. It could cause a traffic problem and the proposed freeway I have to consider.. I agree with the proponents. Acceptance is coming and I Reg.. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifteen PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) Councilman Gillum (cont.): wish the people would realize that but I also, have to agree with him that.I don't think this is. a proper type of business -'to be located ad j-ac.ent to that type of residential.area. I just think.it would,be a bad thing to have on that corner. I don't thinkI can support it at that. Councilman,.Nichols: What would-be the. situation in 'regard to this particular us;ag:e in the N-C zone. Is it an authorized zone? Mr. BedaUx: It is not allowed in the Neighborhood commercial. Councilman Nichols: I think again we are faced with the situation that we have to decide whether there is a need.for this type of use in the .community. If it.had the right of use in the existing zone that construction could accrue a change in zone to permit it to change the.type of use in the.area, and I question whether there is.a need -for the use. I read in the newspaper today that next year the United States will face the problem of trying to get rid.of 61 billion pieces' -of packing materials that have'been dis- carded such as food packing items. There are a lot of signs around our community now.. Is there a need in West Covina now for another use of'this.type? I don't think the..applicant has demonstrated to us that there isa need `additionally in this area. I too would be sympathetic to a problem parcel of this nature, but tYie City of West Covina.is not obligated to allow any use that.may fit the parcel. The owner of the parcel is obligated to a use that will -.fit the City of West Covina. That is -his obligation. Finally, the area in question is going to develop. There is no question in my .mind that the area along East Garvey.alluded-to.in .these reports.of the Commission.will,develop: It -is for this very .reason that..the Planning Commission have the . highest kind of obligation to set the usage of the highest type. I don,'t.th nk this conforms. I.could not accept this type of use. on this parcel. councilman Lloyd: I would like•to concur with the comments of Councilman,Gillum and Councilman Nichols. I think the -.question here is (1) is it necessary, and (2) we must reflect .upon the.change within the next two years. As.we'are all aware;, the widening, will certainly affect this property along the' San .Bernardino Freeway. If indeed_ there was a demand for this,type,of a development or commercial development, it is a logical area and I think actually.there may be -- there certainly will be a development for a commercial. development in this area. -15- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page sixteen PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) Councilman Lloyd (cont.); I think in the development of this City and the dynamics of the growth of the City, I don't think the need • is indicated at this point and I would not be favorably disposed. Councilman Chappell: At one time we re -zoned it N-C. I think that is a good enough zoning for this area and I'm in favor of leaving it as it is at the present time. Mayor Gleckman: My only comment is for the last three and a half years I`ve been asking the Council and the Planning Commission to take out the drive-in and drive-thru restaurant out of the un- classified use permit that hold any time in our City can not just at random build a drive-in restaurant. I believe they are very beneficial from the standpoint of income, but at the same time, we will never be able to set out to do by S-C zoning with the idea of being able to control the type of plan or use which goes on that particular property. As long as we allow the drive- thru and drive-in in the S-C or Cl or C2 zone, we will be bombarded with this time and again for this type of use, and we could elimi- nate all this in commercial use zone. I think that my feelings are felt by the other members of the Council. Councilman Gillum: Mr. Wakefield, is it possible to treat • these items that the Mayor is referring to in'the same way we treat service stations on variance? • Mr. Wakefield: I think it might be handled under an unclassified use permit or amendment to the ordinance. Motion by Councilman Gillum and seconded by Councilman Lloyd, to deny Zone Change -No. 426. Motion passed on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman. NOES: None ABSENT: None Motion by Councilman Gillum and seconded by Councilman Lloyd, to deny Precise Plan No. 576. Motion passed on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Chappell, Lloyd, Gleckman. NOES: None ABSENT: None UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT No. 24 REVISION 2, CITY INITIATED -16- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page seventeen PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 (cont.) • Location: East side of Citrus Street between Walnut Creek Channel and Vanderhoof Drive in the R-A zone. Request: Approval of an unclassified use permit to allow field lights for existing Edgewood Maverick League Baseball Park and a mobilehome residence for a caretaker on the property. Recommended by Planning Commission Resolution No. 2187. Mr. Bedaux, Assistant Planning Director, read Resolution No. 2187 of the Planning Commission referring to Unclassified Use Permit No. 24, and referred to the displayed slides. THE CHAIR DECLARED A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AT 8:38 P.M. COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 8:45 P.M. THE CHAIR DECLARED THAT THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24, REVISION 2, CITY INITIATED. Don Sinclair Mr. Sinclair sworn in by City Clerk. •426 S. Fircroft St. West Covina Mayor Gleckman, Honorable Members of the City Council, I would like a brief few minutes to explain our reasons for this request. As you know, Edgewood Baseball Park has been in for some 12 years in the City and we have expanded from a group of four teams 12 years ago to a league of somewhere around 500 boys today. We expect in the near future we will be expanding again. We have had our Maverick League for some 6 years, perhaps 7, I am not sure of the exact date. We established with 6 teams and we have expanded to 16 teams and we feel this coming year we will have a larger registration in the 13 through 15 age group. We have taken the matter up and they have elected to ask the members of the league what their wishes are. A petition was signed by 400 for the necessary work to establish lights at the Maverick Field. I want to emphasize one point that I think is very important. That is that the Edgewood Baseball League was initiated and has the reputation of providing baseball, supervised baseball, to every boy in West Covina. Every boy who has come to us has played baseball in every game. It is vital to the City, to all of the boys who live in the City. There are additional boys in the 13 to 15 age bracket who will come out and • register next year and our present facilities for baseball are not sufficient. -17- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page :eighteen M • • PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT N0.24 Don Sinclair (cont.) give this matter careful of lights to the Maverick Dean Pic' 1 2463 Buenos Aires Drive Covina Therefore, we request that the Council consideration and approval. The addition Field is on the east side of Citrus Blvd. Mr. Pic'l was sworn in by the City Clerk. Asks for about 5 minutes time in which to speak. Council approves. Mayor Gleckman, Members of the City Council, I am appearing in my capacity as president of the Ridge Riders. This is the second occasion in the past few months when I have appeared on behalf of the Ridge Riders as clients. As you will note from the specifications of Item B, reference is made for a mobilehome for a caretaker on the property and the property which is initially talked about is the Edgewood Maverick League Baseball Park. Actually, it is from the Ridge Riders specifically and as the diagram indicates and as Mr. Bedaux has indicated, it would be located adjacent to the new concrete restrooms. The diagram is a little dim to see. Immediately to the south and west of the blue rectangle there is a rather faint rectangle running in a northeast -southwest direction. That is the location of the restroom facilities to which Mr. Bedaux is pointing. Request for the mobilehome stems from a number of things. If you have occasion to visit the Ridge Riders Field, you certainly will appreciate that a tremendous amount of effort and money has gone into the maintenance of those facilities. The rather beautiful landscaping on the facilities happens to be the product of the caretaker who will be resident of the mobilehome. In addition to the effort of the members of the Ridge Riders, something approxi- mating $8,000 has been used on field maintenance alone. There is a considerable investment which hasn't been brought in that is worthy of protection, and with that large vacant area available, vandalism certainly will occur and the presence of a caretaker on the premises would tend to discourage any interference with those facilities. I appeal on behalf for the mobilehome with the tail added on to it. With reference to the lighting, I cannot with perfect clarity see what the opposition to Proposal No. 24 would be, but I have reason to believe that that opposition will be directed to the lights around the Edgewood Field, rather than opposition to the mobile home. The purpose for -my addressing the Council is to indicate 1) the reason why I felt it was necessary, and 2) to suggest to you that what opposition is presented to this Use Permit CKM Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page nineteen PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) Dean Pic:',1:l (cont.) be segregated so that the tail does not in any sense attempt to wag the dog, or vice -versa. The •Board of Directors of the Ridge Riders met a week ago and con- sidered their position and had contact with the owners of the property, the Valencia Heights Water Company concerning this matter. As the Board of Directors of the Ridge Riders, we are concerned with young people. That is why the Ridge. Riders are there - not to offer opposition to anything such as the Little League which is benefitting�young people. Ridge Riders is neutral relative to the placing of lights and that stems from the fact that we have been good neighbors. We have shared facilities. They assisted with us with the construction of the restroom facilities. We have received the greatest cooperation and there is no opposition or resentment to the construction of the lights. While the hours of operation might, to some extent, interfere with Ridge Riders activities, it should not do so more than two or three.times a year. We use their field as a parking lot. We do suggest that the granting of the Permit to protect what I believe is a very worthwhile investment of recreational facilities, namely the Ridge Riders Field, and also it would serve to protect the Maverick League as well. I also believe that the few incidents of theft that have occurred from barns and tack rooms in the lower portion adjacent to the Ridge Riders might be benefitted as well by the presence of the caretaker. We know that he has a very sincere and dedicated • interest toward the maintenance of that property, and certainly the landscaping around the mobilehome will keep it from becoming anything like an eyesore. Mayor Gleckman: Before anyone else speaks, I would like to say that I have received two and possibly three letters in direct opposition. One was by, I believe, an M. Anderson who owns a piece of property adjacent to the park, and stated that he felt the lights would de- preciate the value of the property. The other was from the Valencia Heights Water Company, which I would like to read. We just received it. "City Council of West Covina Gentlemen: The subject information was presented to our Board of Directors at our regular meeting on September 17, 1969. A discussion and analysis of the subject Planning Commission and Unclassified • Use Permit ... That we hereby advice you that the Valencia Heights Water Company, owners of the company for which the No. 24, Revision 2, -19- 0 • L� Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 (cont.) Letter from Valencia Heights Water Company (cont.) is applied for, do hereby approve the action of the City Council of West Covina for a caretaker mobilehome on our property and do hereby disapprove the recommendation for the field lights for the baseball field. We do not have sufficient information as to the present lighting plan and may have.been misinformed as to original lighting plans." It is signed by Harry A. Leslie, President of Valencia Heights Water Company. I.did receive two'or three other letters but they were not part of the official record, so I am not going to read them. They were in direct opposition to the lights. OPPONENTS Roy Easley Mr. Easley was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2653 Vanderhoof Drive West Covina I do have some pictures to give to the Council Members, if you don't mind. Mayor Gleckman: Give them to the City Attorney, he'll hand them over. Mr. Easley: Here's some more. These pictures that I'm putting before you are taken in the location of the baseball park, in reference to the residents immediately sur- rounding that area. Before my remarks, let me give some background upon myself. We are the home behind le'f't center field that is probably effected most by this proposal. I would like to preface it by saying this. We are both definitely in favor of anything that will enhance youth, and probably the proof of the pudding is that we are both school teachers, my wife at West Covina High School, and I am at the Junior High School. I have worked at Cal Poly College and Claremont Men's College. My life has been devoted to athletics and I am in the athletic program at the present time as assistant football coach and wrestling,coach. I have coached many different sports in my experience and realize to enhance youth you must have a program. I think we have to look into the realities of the situation. What effects does it have to residents who are near the home? What kind of situation are we -20- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-one PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 Mr. Easley in opposition (cont.) •setting up, and I'd like to analyze it in three different points, as an educator of young people, youth organizations, through youth programs that I have observed from my hill -top home. Last year was my first experience with baseball in West Covina and it is one of the finest. My boys, two of them, participated in it. 1 find it quite different. There seems to be not the same guidance and parental control that we have in the lower level. I saw an ,umpire assaulted this last summer and then that baseball team go wanting for a manager and coach. This is the kind of thing that is true, I think, with going into older youngsters. We are enhancing a situation with darkness. The problem will only worsen this type of activity and definitely interferes with the peace and serenity of residents living there, the five homes that are pictured here as to what I mean.. As far as the League is concerned, I don't know. I think you will be aware of the type of program that I have observed as an educator from my hill -top home, which is the best view of all the lots available. The second point I want to make is to the aesthetic differences that will be afforded these homes and it is not good. If you will look at those pictures, the outstanding feature of it is the poles. They measure at the maximum 40 feet in height. I understand the poles for the lights is going to be 60 to 80 feet. • We are talking about youngsters 15 to 18 years old and they can hit as hard and as high as anyone else. The other point with the older youngsters, we find.baseballs all the time in our corrals and with our livestock, and they are going to hit harder and farther. They have not hit the horses, although if it did, it could definitely destroy them. The velocity of a baseball would be like lightening striking me right now. I think you should be aware, right now, that it is more with the crowd. The youngster that gets mom and dad's o.k. for going to the ball park "We know you are in good shape", but not to be at the ball park but to socialize in the darkness, wherever there is darkness, and so on. I think if you would use this as comparison, it might be a little more effective.to your thinking. By putting those lights up the way I see it, at night you are putting those homes that are presently surrounding the park to where if you were a resident it would be like placing you in the summer where when they are having night games, in the center field bleachers in Dodger Stadium. I don't think you would find that peaceful or that you would like to have it. •The third point that brings me here tonight, I have two young boys, eight and nine years old. They enjoy athletics a great deal and it plays an important part in their lives. Their bedroom is located 150 feet from where they are going to be when they -21- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-two PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 Mr. Easley in opposition (cont.) begin at 9, 9:30, it awakens them, and • you will agree if they are going until 11:30 at night they will be disturbed, and I don't think it is going to be a healthy thing. My one neighbor has a boy and a girl the same age as my older boy and this is the thing that concerns me the most. The night baseball is going to.be unhealthy for the boys if they are playing more than one or two nights a week. This is mature adults and I don:`t think the program is aimed for them. I may be mistaken. Carl Zangger Mr. Zangger was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2715 Vanderhoof Drive Asked for 5 minutes. Council approved. West Covina Mayor Gleckman, Honorable Council, I have copies of the points that I wish to make this evening, if I may present them to you. (Presents copies to Council) There are 14 residences lying from Citrus Avenue along the north side of Vanderhoof Drive and the west side of Plateau Drive. These residences are on the rim of a slight bluff which overlooks the Ridge Riders equestrian facilities and the Edgewood League Baseball Park. We 14 home owners are thoughtfully concerned citizens of the rights and needs of our fellow citizens. •We have all without exception given a great deal of thought to this proposal. We are not in any sense anti baseball or against use of the Maverick Field as it is now being used. It is not without its nuisances,: However, when an extension of use with its inconvenience is considered, we would be derelict in our responsibilities to our families to permit this lighting to occur. The 14 homeowners are unanimously in opposition to the proposed installation of lights and night baseball on this field. Mr. Mayor, I have a petition signed by these 14 homeowners to present to you. We hereby request that the request for a permit to allow lights for the Maverick Field be denied. It is our opinion that the tall poles would not be in keeping with the neighborhood and would impair the views from at least 5 of the 14 homes. It would interfere with the privacy of many of the homes and the spectators would seriously disrupt the comfort and serenity of our homes during the evening hours. We do not object to the mobilehome for a caretaker. Going over the points on the leaflet that I submitted to you, the 14 homeowners are unanimously in opposition •to the proposed installation of lights and night baseball on this field and among the items to which there are objections are the following: that the height and the appearance of 70 - 80 foot poles, cross -arms, and reflectors are not in keeping with the neighborhood and would impair the views from at least 5 of the 14 homes. There -22- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-three PUBLIC HEARINGS(cont.) UNCLASSIFIED.USE PERMIT N0.24 Mr. Zangger in opposition (cont.) would be intensive lights during games • which would be visible to some degree to 13 of the 14 homeowners, and would interfere with full enjoyment of at least 6 of the 14 homes. Noise from the public address system, spectators and traffic -- because of the nature of the terrain, all 14 of the homeowners would be severely affected. Other neighbors, 10 of whom have signed a petition objecting to the noise, would also be disturbed. Next, the length of the season and lateness of the hours, probably 3�,2 months, ultimately. With innings starting as late as 10:30 P.M., games would extend past 11:00 P.M. No hours of limitation for city -approved tournaments. Potential expansion of uses -- original hours proposed have now been lengthened. There would be pressures from the other leagues without facilities, and in the economic situ- ation, needs to regain a heavy investment on leased property. There would be the unfairness of shifting a public burden to a few and a great financial loss to homeowners, particularly those among the 14 overlooking the field with burdens of providing the location not being shared by the public. We feel that we would suffer a great financial loss. I believe some of the points have previously been made and I will skip over them. We feel that there has been no mention of an alternative location. Some that might be considered, high school facilities, other undeveloped land within the City, City •Parks, and more extensive uses of daylight hours. There is also some posibility of detrimental effects on youth baseball such as unfortunate publicity from neighborhood controversies, objections of parents to too late hours, and too heavy an investment on leased property. I believe there are others who have additional points they would like to make and that would conclude my presentation. Myrna Gelfand Myrna Gelfand was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2641 Vanderhoof Drive West Covina Number one, my home is now for sale and I am about 12 inches from.the property line directly behind the outfield, and it's for sale for $69,500. Due to a mix-up, a letter I was to have picked up and brought with me will be here tomorrow from my realtor, but it is on its way and when I talked to him I asked if he could give me an estimate of what these lights and the added noise and so forth would be. Well, it is a nice sum of approximately $10,000 or more, which is not anything in itself -- that would be how it will lower the price. •I have a letter from my neighbor next door from an agent that will be listing her home and I can read it or submit it. I would prefer someone else reading it. (Presented letter to Mayor Gleckman). -23- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-four PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 Myrna Gelfand in opposition (cont) • THE CHAIR ACCEPTED.THE LETTER FROM MY -RNA GELFAND. John Cox Mr. Cox was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2727 Vanderhoof Drive West Covina It will take me less than three minutes to paint a better picture than has been painted thus far. Six weeks ago we were here with Mr. Pic.'l;. and others to try to protect the park in back of our homes. We were dealing with the parkway. We are far enough away to help preserve that recreational area. Not all neighbors see the ball park in the area in a bad light. I had a boy play last year and one the year before. The boy that played last year will be playing two more years. As a neighborhood we know there are some nuisances and the need for day baseball is well warranted. I am here to speak on the preservation of our neighborhood and the recreational area on this hill. I don't wish to discredit the 400 people who want night baseball. I agree with the 400 names and with others that there is some need for night baseball. There are some other points about night baseball and places more satisfactory than this one. The property below us , I do not feel is in the interest, the best interest, in the long run to proceed.with this at this time. This is leased property and •within some of the details of this lease, the Valencia Heights Water Company, I know of no company who is doing as much as they for recreation, compared to their size. They are leasing this property to the City for uses of recreation. I think it is admirable. .In the lease, when we determine whether to put in night baseball, I have not the firm figure given to me, Mr. Zangger has given a figure of 24 or 25 thousand dollars, a very sizeable investment. The remainder are three facts from the lease which should be taken into consideration. In spite of the fact the water company will want to continue, I think in my opinion they will, the renewal did come up two years ago. One, the lease has only eight years to run and then it must be renewed. Hopefully it will be renewed, and will detract from that in favor of having it renewed. The location of the: facility of Valencia Heights Water Company, it states that they can at any time, can desire anyone on their property to move, hence if there is a tremendous increasement, the location of some of the facilities in the lease, they will try not to interfere with what is there. I feel sure, but again when the parkway comes through, they will have less alternative. The other is that they have the _right to sell the property eight years from now or now if they do sell, the City has first option to purchase this and the Valencia •Heights Water Company would have to pay the City or the leasees for some of the fixed assets. I believe the limitation is $10,000. The neighbors state that they are not against day baseball, but against night baseball. I think the lease should be considered. -24- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-f ive PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 24 John Chaffers Mr. Chaffers was sworn in by the City Clerk. • 210 South Plateau Street West Covina I have a petition signed by eleven of my neighbors, other than the 14. I would like to briefly read it and submit it to you. The owners of homes located on the south and east side near the Edgewood Maverick Park hereby recommend that permission not be granted for installation of lights on the Maverick Baseball Field. We find the uses of the public address system during the daylight baseball games objectionable, if it were to be continued during the evening hours of night baseball. Thank you. Norris Honey Mr. Honey was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2730 E. Vanderhoof Drive West Covina We live on the south side of Vanderhoof Drive. The lights will not be too bad for us but there will be entirely too much noise.On Saturday and Sunday when there is activity, the noise is so bad we have to raise our voices to carry on a conversation. This coming over at night will be a little too much. We have teenage children who have to study at night and get • to bed. I think this would interfere with that. Thomas R. Worrall Mr. Worrall was sworn in by the City Clerk. 2769 Vanderhoof Drive West Covina I'm not opposed to any youth activity myself. I have a boy. He is 18. He has played on Little League and we have encouraged many youth activities, but I am definitely opposed to the lighting proposal, for the lighting below. I am definitely against it. It will not enhance our property at all. At the present time, the view from our property is'just like looking down at the City Park, instead of that it will be like looking down -- well, I hardly know how to explain myself -- more of a commercial appearance than the appearance of a City Park. I would just like to go on record as definitely opposed to this lighting program. Thank you very much. Jerry Smith Jerry Smith sworn in by the City Clerk. 2722 Vanderhoof Drive • West Covina I would just like to add on to what has already been said. The lights will be no problem. The noise is -25 Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-six PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont). UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT N0.24 Jerry Smith in opposition (coat.) bad enough on Saturday and Sunday, which is acceptable. Night baseball is unacceptable in the area. I would like to appeal to have the motion denied. REBUTTAL Dean Pid. 111 2463 Buenos Aires Drive Covina Remembering that this function is solely that of rebuttal and restricting myself -,to that, there have been no arguments against the mobilehome. I would respectfully request in voting upon this measure, the Council avail themselves of Mr. Wakefield's legal acumen and knowledge to the ability of the Council to grant or deny the request of the park in toto in modi- fication as they.see fit. THE CHAIR DECLARED THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING CLOSED. COUNCIL DISCUSSION • Councilman Lloyd: I would like to say that I have had the opportunity to visit the property and to view the situation from the homes of some of the opponents here. Obviously, I have had the opportunity to view the property in visiting the thing from the point of view of the proponents. Number one, I am absolutely committed to a park and recreation program which will encompass all kinds of activity for all of the people of West Covina. I am absolutely convinced that there is a crying need for a facility for the playing of baseball by the people of the Maverick League or youngsters of this age and .I am equally certain that we are going to have a lighted facility. I will say without any equivocation that I am favorably disposed to the acquiring of this facility in the future. I would also like to say that I am equally understanding of the problems these homeowners face and I question seriously whether we can arbitrarily decide $10,000 is going to be lost on a given property. Nevertheless, the property will be endangered and I firmly believe that there must be some sort of relief for these citizens. Either I am guilty of an enigma or I come to an impass in my logic. I don't think this is so. I think there are other alternatives in this community. I •personally have taken the liberty, in the company of one of the other Councilmen, Councilman Chappell, fie,' -.has been in youth activity over a long period and has--- participated in Little League and also in Pop Warner Football, as I have, and I am proud of that participation and I intend to continue. Both Mr. Chappell and I made a review of the area. I think there is a solution to the problem and it lies in -26- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-seven PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) Councilman Lloyd: (cont.) Cortez Park. I think that the field to support the activities that these people need and want can be created. I think that it can be lighted because there is already a lighted field. I think that there will be service facilities in the way of snack shacks,. and all the people can participate. In other words, frankly, this is one of those situations where we can have our cake and eat it too. We can continue to expand the facility of the Ridge Riders, which is not only unique, but I think they are doing a tremendous job. As they are going down the line, they will need more space. I am concerned as the opponents are that the investment of $20,000 -- it's going to cost $20,000 or more even if the labor is contributed on the piece of land which is leased. It certainly should be questioned if the same $25,000 for the same set of lights in the area of Cortez Park where it would-be permitted. I also see the opportunity to continue the field we now have, and with the facility we can accommodate the additional youngsters who will come out in the spring. It is a fact ,.that this league has not turned.down,any boys, and this is attendant to the egos, the self image of individuals, where they see that the youngsters played. My youngsters play in these arenas and tempers do flare, but then we can't throw out the baby with the bath water. Let's get on with the recommended program. The citizens are justified in their opposition and I think I probably • have spoken long enough. I suggest that we refer this back to staff if there isn t an alternative which will serve the purposes of the people of this league. We have some time -- eight or nine months when will the league start up again? MR. SINCLAIR: In February -- no, the first part of April. Councilman Lloyd: We do have some time, not enough, but I think we have some type of a lasting solution. Mr. Sinclair, is your group absolutely committed to this field that you have put time and your own blood into it, or would -"another alternative do? MR. SINCLAIR: Any alternative. We are not committed to this route. Councilman Lloyd: I have nothing else. Councilman Chappell: I would like to say we have a large number of volunteers here in the form of a baseball league. I commend them highly on their mo- tivations and their time and talents and money they spend in helping the boys of our City play baseball. I have watched the league -grow and I know that once in a while we have a problem, but I have observed the same type of problem in high schools, junior colleges, and haven't seen any brickbats or anything like that and nothing should be said without concrete facts. I do not think by the growth of this field -27- of Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page twenty-eight PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) Councilman Chappell: (cont.) that one field is not adequate any longer. Two fields are necessary or a lighted field. I remember the objections to the Youth Center. I remember in five different schools where we put baseball, people objected to this. We have a tremendous number of people against things but not very many for things. As the members of this baseball league state, they are willing to go any- where in this vicinity. I would like to refer this to staff with a report back in a very short time, however, because I think there is a money raising problem here. I would like to see the money being raised, if we do move to Cortez Park the money would be available to put those lights up. All this effort and this movement to another area would be wasted if they then found the money for the lights wasn't available. I would recommend to the officials of the Edgewood Baseball League that you start at once your campaign so that when we have the facility, whether it be Cortez Park or somewhere else, they are able to put up those lights so they can start to play in April. Councilman Nichols: First I would like to say that I agree with Councilman Lloyd and Councilman Chappell. What is good enough for them is good enough for me. Councilman Gillum: I think all of us, four of us on the Council, have boys involved in this and we spend •considerable time with it. I also appreciate 'the concern of the home- owners. The suggestion made by Councilman Lloyd is quite proper and at this time I suggest we refer this to staff and the City and fellow Councilmen will work with the league trying to find an alternative. I have spent all day Saturday and Sunday watching the kids play and I think it is a very worthwhile program. I'm just sorry something of this type wasn't around when I was that age. Myself and my family receive a great deal of satisfaction from this. We do have an obliga- tion to the residents. If we have been able to in the past, work it out to the mutual agreement of the residents, I would go along with Mr. Chappell and Mr. Lloyd's suggestion. Mayor Gleckman: First of all I'd like to compliment the people whocame here this evening and stated their particular cases in opposition to these lights. The matter of the lights is a matter of necessity. The matter of complaint is a matter of fact. I'd like to compliment them in the manner of presentation for the Council to review. I think it is the obligation of the legislative body to seek out and provide for the needs of this community and I would like to say their case to us this evening proves to us and I think has been advocatedi-a definite need for either another field or night baseball in this City. That it is the obligation of this Council to seek out and provide that for this community, then I would like to say as far as I am concerned, the Council is dedicated to provide that need. It is so badly needed and at the same time, I would like to see a motion permitting the trailer to be established to this facility as Reg. C.C.. 9/22/69 Page twenty-nine PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) Mayor Gleckman: (cont.) soon as possible, and another motion that this matter be carried for 60 to 90 days for the definite commitment as to how, where, and when, they will approve. Councilman Lloyd: I will make the motion. I'll do it in two parts: 1) to refer the baseball facility adequate for the need of Maverick type baseball to staff, and 2);-make a motion for the trailer. Councilman Nichols: I will second. Mayor Gleckman: All those in favor signify by saying aye. (All five affirmative) So ordered. Councilman Lloyd: I will make a motion that the trailer be installed as requested and approved by the Valencia Heights Water Company. Councilman Nichols: We have an unclassified use permit to pass on. It seems to me that we will have to pass on it some time. Mr. Wakefield: Mayor Gleckman, Members of the Council, the motion to the problem has been made that that portion of the application for the unclassified use permit which relates to the installation of the trailer in connection with the Ridge Riders facility be approved. It was approved five to nothing. Mayor Gleckman. The first portion of uncaassified use permit, I gather the first motion to refer to the staff .for a further report is not dead. Mr. Wakefield: It is not dead. If it comes back it will have to be re -advertised. THE CHAIR DECLARED THAT A FIVE MINUTE RECESS BE TAKEN AT 9:38 P.M. COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 9:45 P.M. UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 - City Initiated Location: Westerly portion of the Civic Center site. Request: Approval of an unclassified use permit for a heliport and approval of an amendment to an existing precise plan of design to permit a heliport. Recommended Planning Commission Resolution Nos. 2185 and 2186. -29- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (oont.) Mr. Bedaux, Assistant Planning Director, read Resolutions No. • 2185 and 2186 of the Planning Commission referring to Unclassified Use Permit No. 142 and Precise Plan No. 500, and referred to the displayed slides. THE CHAIR DECLARED THAT THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO.142 and PRECISE PLAN NO. 500, CITY INITIATED. PROPONENTS Roger B. Cable Mr. Cable was sworn in by the City Clerk. Vice President Los Angeles Airways, Inc. 5901 W. Imperial Hwy. Los Angeles I am no this matter, Los Angeles Airways, eight years ago to establish for Los Angeles Airways has been awa area for quite some time, a numbe many matters which have precluded of this beautiful Civic Center an the orderly growth of West Covina •the new City Hall. I was in the was approved for the general plan of the important things included t unfamiliar to the Council. On Inc., first came to the City some this City a heliport. As I stated, re of the transportation needs of this r of years. However, there have been it, one of which was the completion d the adoption of the Master Plan for which is in front of you. We are in Council Chambers when the Master Plan of the City of West Covina, and one in that Master Plan for the continued growth of West Covina was making sure the headquarters for this area have a transportation terminal, serving all the needs for all types of transportation, surface and in the air. This is what we are trying to do, to accomplish here today. Los Angeles Airways is hopeful to initiate service from a temporary facility, and rightfully so adjacent to the Civic Center. It was chosen because the Center may demonstrate for a future servicing all modes of transportation in this area. We have submitted the plans necessary and have received the approval of the Federal Government for the actual temporary facility as to its con- struction. The proposal for the air space study has gone out by the Federal Aviation Agency. No mention has been received at this time. The State of California has requested a slight extension due to their heavy work -load before they will submit their final findings. Our staff did discuss the matter with the State of California and saw no problems with the normal matter that goes before them, being a temporary facility. I see no problems of the site as it is proposed in the Precise Plan as submitted and hopefully to commence service �j approximately November 5. Our schedule would be 13 flights daily, a 15 minutes flight to Los Angeles, connecting with all the major lines. -30- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-one PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) Mr. Roger B. Cable (cont.) • Our fare, which we propose, is $9.05 for flights not connecting with others, and going down as low as i(1 $3.00 if you are connecting with a flight of 150 miles. Los Angeles Airways has been in the transportation, the vertical lift transportation, business since 1945, and it is necessary and certain to provide this service in Southern California, and we are embarking on a very major program to provide an ever expanding area service through Southern California. We are hopeful this -will be the area that provides service. Thank you. OPPONENTS-,., Mrs. Judith Clouser Mrs. Clouser was sworn in by the City Clerk. 1305 W. Service Avenue West Covina I presented a petition with 148 signatures to the Planning Commission. The petition states that the heliport should be located away from private homes and public buildings serving the people for several reasons; safety, distraction to freeway traffic, parking, and noise. Noise was the main objection and these objections are still valid. Mr. Cable stated that descent would be on a 20 to 1 slope. The minimum altitude when passing over would be 60 to 150 feet. •I believe that those helicopters are louder than a truck, and trucks do not pass that close to our property. The Planning Commission felt that while it might be a minor annoyance, it is only temporary. That such low flights are a minor annoyance for two years is no consolation. I would like to request that the flight plan be altered so it is a thousand feet until they have crossed over Sunset Avenue. This would •at least alleviate the noise. Mayor Gle.ckman: I would like to say that we did receive some written objections presented by Mrs. Clouser some time ago. John Lobato Mr. Lobato was sworn in by the City Clerk. 633 S. Broadmoor Ave. - West Covina I would like to apologize for the way I am dressed, but it was just a little bit earlier when I realized this would be taking place today. My main objection is the mere fact that it is a temporary solution. We have a mound that it takes, I understand, $7,000 to build, at the cost of $7,000. To remove it will cost an additional $7,000. I am familiar with the Cable Airlines. We had it in Azusa and we have had it in Pomona. I see no value to the City other than convenience or possibly for the people right in the Center. With traffic, there is no way to get there. You can't get in directly -31- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-two PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) John Lobato (cont.) to this facility coming in the opposite direction. It is just as easy to drop into Pomona. The City Council has already admitted that by the mere fact that it is a temporary solution. We have a new savings and loan, seven stories high, which I am sure would be a perfect landing spot. I propose attaching a frame with a landing pad to the top, and it could be moved to the top of the City Hall, police department, to the top of the Broadway or May Co. You keep the elevation high and the noise down and the safety factor would increase 100/. I'd like to point out the fact that at 11:30 the police department, for the mere fact I was sound. asleep, I hear a commotion over my house. It lasted roughly 45 minutes. Mayor Gleckman: The City of West Covina does now have a small helicopter for the police. John Lobato: They say it was for my safety, but I assure you it wasn't for m safety. So I'm not against progress. We have to put up with noise levels. These things are a mere necessity. But I don't think the facts show we are finding the best possible solution. R. L. Wilcox . Mr. Wilcox was sworn in by the City Clerk. 1321 Marquerita Drive West Covina First of all, I'm a little confused by the approach to this problem. The first time I had heard anything of it was two or three weeks ago when this woman came by with a petition to sign. You probably saw my name and address on it, two blocks over from here. Secondly, I observed in the paper that the City Council has already -approvdd removal of the mound contingent of approval of the site. It seems like perhaps it is getting the cart before the horse that that wasn't even considered. Secondly, there are several questions in my mind. For instance, what other alternative sites have been considered? Who is going to pay the costt of removing and replacing the mound? What is the benefit of West Covina? What plans have they for a permanent site? I haven't even mentioned the noise level and the safety angle. How do I go about getting answers to these questions? Mayor Gleckman: We hope you are going to get them this evening. Mrs. Dorothy Davis Mrs. Davis sworn in by the City Clerk. 1 16142 Harvest Moon Ave. La Puente (Would you believe that mailing address?) May I ask questions? Mayor Gleckman: Ask all the questions you want. -32- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-three PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) Mrs. Dorothy Davis (cont.) • I would like to know if Mr. Lloyd is connected with a P.R. firm and what the name is? I'd like to know the name of the P.R. firm representing the L.A. Airways? Cable is a different one I understand. Mayor Gleckman: They have nothing to do with L.A. Airways. Mrs. Dorothy Davis: Would the flights be to West Covina with no other connecting points? And, I don't know at this point if I'm for or against. Mayor Gleckman: We will try to get all the.answers, but not the one about your Post Office. Chester Shearer Mr. Shearer was sworn in by the City Clerk. 1704 Alaska West Covina I don't know whether I'm for or against. V m all for helicopters and have used them occasionally. I too would like to 'raise a couple of questions. We will have to get answers, and since I don't have the answers, I will have to be in an "if or" type of position. Earlier regarding lights at the base- ball field, there was a question of spending $24,000 on a leased, or if you will, a temporary facility. It has been pointed out here we are talking about a temporary facility lasting at the most ten - years. If there are coming from the City under -writing a private venture to be moved, the mounds taken out and put in paving and so forth, if it's going to cost the City, I would suggest that we look for under -writing by L.A. Airways. Let them if it makes money fine for the Airways. The •taxpayers of the City being requested to under- write an.experiment to see if it will work for two years, if it doesn't, who is at a loss.-- us or the airways. Floyd Morgan Mr. Morgan was sworn in by the City Clerk. 748 S. Broadmoor Ave. West Covina The questions that have been raised by the people protesting are good. I think they left a few things out. I have been at both the Whittier and Pomona locations and have listened to the helicopters and they are quite loud. I think the analogy to a truck on the freeway is ridiculous. The freeway gives noise to people who bought when the freeway was there and they pay for it. •On the freeway, a truck b•r.oadcasts.noise in approximately a 180 degrees angle, the first few houses getting the most and the rest get succeedingly less noise. A helicopter broadcasts noise downward over a greater area and variety of homes. I think that, I am surprised I should say, that -33- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-four PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) Floyd Morgan (cont.) . people have not come in from the hospital. I think that people in the hospital would be a little bit of upset when they hear these big fat choppers coming. I think that a sample run as this one was termed L.A. Airways ran, is a little difficult to provide enough logic to base a two years committment on. Where you've got residents -- Pomona, it reverbirates between the buildings. In Whittier where a helicopter or a short take -off and landing type of plane belongs, you've got industry. An industrial area where the noise level is already high, where residents are not going to be dis- turbed 26 times for landings, if I understand 13 coming and 13 going and take -offs and landings towards Los Angeles, toward the Pomona area, I would assume. I am a little bit upset by the fact. I find it very difficult to understand how this community or the residents could provide more than oh, five percent of its population, that would use this. I think five percent is rather expanding it pretty much. I also find it very interesting the facility would be located in an area of modest homes owned by people who are not likely to use the facilities. I think that if it's the people who live around the country club set or.the people in the City of Industry who want it, put it in them: area. This community is taking a direction I don't particularly care for. I don't like the idea of what I classify a bedroom community, one I came into to live in, being converted to a Los Angeles type of situation. I think that this community, when we try to obtain a business or an industry that belongs truly in a city three miles to the south, the City of Industry, nobody is going to be all upset. I think something is a little bit wrong. I don't see any problem being upset, as it is now about ten minutes to the Pomona facility and no more than 12 to the Whittier facility, and I'm sure that if I wanted to fly, I wouldn't want to have it outside my back door, rather than drive five more miles across town to L.A. International. I am really concerned about the funds for this program and where they are going to come from. I would be willing to wager that the City of West Covina is footing at least a portion. Whether or not this money will be in some other form of income, I don't know. I'd rather add to my property tax rate than to have to put up with that noise. Thank you. THE CHAIR DECLARED THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING CLOSED. COUNCIL DISCUSSION Mayor Gleckman: We will try to get answers to these questions. First of all, the first couple that should be Is answered, if he so chooses, since they were directed to him -- Councilman Lloyd: Are you associated with a P.R. firm? -34- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-five • is • UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) Councilman Lloyd: Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Lloyd: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Cable: I am proud to state that I am. What is the name of the firm? Lloyd's Public Relations. Who does the Public Relations for Los Angles Airways? We have no firm. I do the public relations work. Councilman Lloyd: I would like to tell Mrs -Davis, and I think this is a fair statement, I wish to have the opportunity to have an account like that. We don't serve them. What you are asking about is an answer to the. question. Yes, I did for an operation Cable Community Airlines. That corporation currently is in a corporation called Golden West, which came out of Arrow Commuter., a function of the Westgate Corporation, located in San Diego. I don't have them as clients. In other words, her question is, "is there any potential of conflict of interest", and the answer is emphatically no. Mayor Gleckman: Would the flights be direct to Los Angeles with no stops in between? Is that what is being proposed? Mr. Cable: The published plan will be direct flights to and from Los Angeles, Los Angeles International Airport. Mayor Gleckman: Here to Los Angeles International Airport and back. Now about plans for a permanent site. Councilman Lloyd: I think again because I have been the Council- man who more or less spear -headed this, unfortunately we are faced with some variables here that are very important. There is no question and I think this gentleman, I don--'t remember your name sir, I would like to congratulate you on one thing, you would rather have a tax increase in the community rather than accept this. I think that is a valid opinion. I do think however, as far as the selection of sites, we have looked at some sites. We have tried to evaluate on a permanent basis. Unfortunately, if we wait very long, we are faced with the possiblity that some other city might " beat us out". There are those not favorably disposed and someone else would beat us out, and a Chamber of Commerce in a trans- portation center, who would feel that the concept of our headquarters, of what we are talking about,- in the dynamics of an urban society We really don't have a choice. If we don't get it and the monies which are generated, it will go to that city. We are already faced -3 5- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-six UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO.142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Lloyd: (cont.) • with many problems, wherein a city such as the City Of Industry, where literally millions of dollars accrue to that city as a result of the commercial enthusiasm of the city -- that I mean to say they have industry which creates a tax advantage which doesn't come in to us, and it doesn't help serve us in the area of our schools, doesn't come to us in support of police and fire and parks and recreation, and many of the things which are required to service a community of our type. I think as we are in a leadership position, maybe the City of West Covina does have this kind of impetus. We have to develop this kind of an attitude or we must be passed by. This comes into the philosophy of urban develop- ment. Any individual, this gentleman over here, to change your mind we would probably find ourselves in a difference of opinion as to what constitutes a city. As a Councilman, I am required to find the where withall to provide the services of this City as it exists and in the hope of the general plan, in a general plan text, of where this City will go. The home owner simply cannot pay in his taxes the amount of money for services he must have -- not that he would like to have -- that he must have. We are required, it is incumbent upon us to find another method which we have to have, for parks, recreation, administrative housing. What we now have, a •focal point of the East San Gabriel Valley in the area of transpor- tation, which I think and that is an opinion, will generate a million dollars in revenue to our shops, the decline of some of the area, the development in the bringing of this transportation concept, even for the two years will help. What we will face as tax payers unless we find some solution to the problems that we face in urban development, is tax rises, which with the exception of one, most of us don't want a rise in taxes. I'm trying to find, and every other man here is honestly trying to find, a solution to these problems. This isn't the only solution, and if we didn't have it, the City wouldn't collapse. But, in five years or ten years there would be people who would say "why didn't you develop some of these areas -- why didn't they do it right in the first place?" As one of your City Councilmen, every man up here feels it is best for this City. I have support and I have people who are as dedicated for it as those here are against it. Now, to answer some other questions. I am aviation oriented. I have over 4,000 hours of flying. I have flown.helicopters and as a result of these experiences, obviously • my point of departure is different than from those who have not been involved in these things. I am trying to provide the leadership which -36- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-seven UNCLASSIFIED.USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Lloyd: (cont.) . I think will be of benefit to this com- munity. As to the problems of danger - no question about it. No vehicle or no mechanism operated is infallible4 as had been shown by crashes in aircraft and as demonstrated of automobiles right here on this freeway. Let us not say that we are not willing to take a chance in the development of our community. Not one of us is going to survive, or to survive as a community without this type of transportation. We have to have a transportation center. We need buses, taxi cabs, car rentals, and I think this thing will provide a focal point. Should we expend 30 to 50.thousand dollars? This is City Initiated. It will have to come to the City in con- junction with other questions. But of those monies, and I don't know how much it will be in the actual projection of the cost of building this temporary facility, let us say it is the $50,000, which is an outside figure. It will provide an'income to us on a market package based on the usage of ten thousand persons monthly. I can't say the market study has indicated it,_will provide ten thousand passengers a month. That is the reason L. A. Airways wants to come here. They are coming from this East San Gabriel Valley and that would have been La Puente, Industry, Walnut, Glendora, Azusa, and these are the areas we are appealing to at this point. Whether this is a true figure or not (this is a true figure) and that they are able to generate this type of thing, it will take a period of time, three to six months to get the thing, to get it fully tolling, to orient the people to this type of thing. We can anticipate a $500 to $1,000 a month income of landing fees which will come to us. In addition, there will be other things, the entrepreneurs, of owning the lands, and that is through taxi cabs, the licensing of people into the area, the other thing on car rentals systems, to the people who park their cars, in the way of coke machines, so forth and so on. All of these things will accrue to the extent that we will end up costing the City nothing. . But I am not about to tell you that that is the way it will be.. I don't know that. I think it is worth the risk because of the merchants in this area. If everone in this room guaranteed me not to shop.anywhere else,.I would say "Hooray for us" and maybe we can do without this. But you will -not do such a thing and as a result, we have to make it attractive, is to attract through this type of thing. People will feed out into this area. They are doing every thing they can to remove the ground barrier for people who travel to and from Los Angeles, away from that major airport. It has to be done. They are doing it by moving airports into Lancaster, Ontario, and they will be chocked in three to five years, also Oxnard, Ventura, and also considering going with the Marine Air Base in Orange • County, and these are not my opinions but by a function of the area government of Southern California. -37- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-eight UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cunt.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Lloyd: (cont.) We are faced with a real problem,. West Covina is part of that problem. I think there is a partial problem Councilmen. I sincerely hope I have convinced you and I have hope I have answered some of the questions. I am sure I have changed no one's mind, but I wanted you to know that I am committed to this, honestly and without remuneration back to me other than the fact that I firmly believe it's in the best interest of this community. Mayor Gleckman: Anybody else regarding any of the comments such as the alternative sites, the benefits, the noise and safety, the idea of why we need a helicopter service at all, the cost, of it? Councilman Nichols: I would have some general comments, not what would be a specific answer. Well, one thing I have always heard in all the years I've been on the City Council -- We people want a swimming pool. I'm against high taxes but I would be willing to pay more taxes for the swimming pool. We people want something special and that is their special bag. I'm against high taxes but am willing to pay higher taxes for this. If someone is against heli- copters, well I'm against higher taxes but willing to pay more taxes to keep it out. What it really says, sincerely and honestly and •really says, their objections are to being gored by the bull. We think they are being gored to get rid of the pain, but you know, in general terms our people are deadly set against high taxes and one thing that has been the theme of the City Government, and strongly so, is to hold the tax burden down. That is not a lot of malarky. In the past ten or twelve years we have had only a 10,4� increase in tax rate because we have had an effective City Manager and City Council in tune to the commercial needs of the community. When Mr. Lloyd first broaehed,w,the concept of the helicopter field, that was my first orientation, and over the long range it would make it more viable to attract business that will tend to bring income over the long range into the City. I studied this matter to some extent, and I am rather convinced it will in fact make this community a financially more secure community over a period of years. If L. A. Airways, if Mr. Cable's organization does not come into West Covina, in six months to a year some other locale will have the advantage of that facility. That is the first comment. The first suggestion, why would you build a temporary facility if you are thinking of a permanent one? It is to be allowed to. If West Covina doesn't make a facility available and bring this service in, it will never be able to plot its plans out for a permanent transportation center for all time in the future in some adjacent area to tie that type of service into the community. So I have concluded in my own mind, a justification for building a temporary facility. As for the community IME Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page thirty-nine UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN No. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Nichols: (cont.) cost, actually many many things that the community does the City Government are an outlay of public funds and do lend support to some private enterprises going on in the City. We enabled the Carousel Theater to do better parking lot improvement that the tax payers have paid in the community over the years. The City Government has to we the expenditure in terms of benefits. The only challenge that we have comes back to us is that in the public interest over the long haul, and comes back.double fold or greater to -the tax payers that it would be. All right, so those points so far in my opinion are sound proposals. I am not known as one on the City Council for being over joyous for unusual projects that stir up a hornet's nests. In this respect, I think this is a sound proposal. I do have one qualification. I would like to get to the meat of this that there is too much noise these things are going to make. I don't yet know whether they are going to make too much noise or not. I have not yet in my part of studying this matter, satisfied myself as to the noise level. I have not yet satisfied myself as to the technical details -- how they are going to come in, how they are going to land -- in my own judgement. That concluded, that we were asking any number of people of excessive noise, for the benefit of the City as a whole, I would look with a jaundiced eye on this .type of activity before I make a final decision. I want to go into the noise of the machines, how they will fly and where they will fly. I am not prepared to make a final firm decision until I am perfectly satisfied that the noise levels will not in fact be excessive in the residential area. I will close by saying that there is bound to be someone who is opposed to live in a City If it makes any kind of noise at all. That is their objections they will be gored by the bull,this evening they had said substantially, we are being bugged. But those people in this City are unfortunate enough to live immedi- ately adjacent to the San Bernardino Freeway, and you're one of those off an off ramp and say don't bring it down the San Bernardino Freeway, don't add any more noise, then I say I don't think I can stand in your corner in the City, because you will be bothered. So I have to qualify my own thoughts as to where this noise is, down this freeway or right along Service Avenue. I think we probably are talking about noise as far -:as our basic residential areas. I am ,going to reserve my opinion in.terms of the noise element. I want to see, I've missed it the last time, I want to hear it revirberate down through the residential area. Maybe we better go to kiddie cars. • Then I'll form my judgement value. Councilman Gillum: I was fortunate enough to attend the demon- stration. I was particularly impressed with the operation of the machine. After the -3 9- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Gillum: (cont.) • machine did come in and touch ground and take off again, there were inquiries made as stated, at City Hall, over at the Public Library, if they had heard it. They said they wouldn't be bothered by it. A call was made to the hospital and they said "What helicopter?" I go along with what Mr. Nichols said. Back a few years ago there also comes to my mind, I have seen many projects in this community lost. I look at Covina Hills and say it could have been Forest Hills West Covina. Maybe at that time it wasn't the proper thing to do. There are other things which we have by-passed in that we are a little afraid to take a forward step. I had to pick up someone at our great bus station, and used a back alley where a bus was debarking, and they said "Where are we?" I said "West Covina" and they said "So what". The point I am trying to make is that a transportation system has to be put into the City to make it the transportation headquarters City, the City of beautiful homes, but still the headquarters City. We are compelled to do certain things to enhance our position and establish this. We'll never have an industrial base to bring, in income because of the City of Industry, and it has been my thinking the three years I've been on the Council the tax base in this area is not enough for the necessary services. I mean such as good restaurants, good shopping •centers, motels and hotels, and the transportation needs. I am sure L. A. Airways when they came to West Covina figured a five or ten percent a month or much bigger scope of attracting from other communities. I realize when we get.them, whether it is to take the helicopter or what into this community, we are going to receive some tax advantages from them, even from a pack of cigarettes or buying gas or something of this type. I realize as Mr. Lloyd stated, that we can not say this is going to be revenue from the community, but I do say as a fact from ajoining cities, if the City of West Covina again stumbles and drops the ball on something, somebody will run right behind and pick it up. Being in the community, it does cause some noise. I am sure helicopters come over our community and any day you can view them. As far$ as the helicopter Saturday night, it was just a trial, a test. It was a different type of helicopter, a different type of service. I was there and it did make some noise. I can assure you I know what you are talking about. This is a dif- ferent type of service than we are talking about with L. A. Airways and we are going to be the headquarters of a heliport and transportation center and we have a great necessity. There are questions as there are for Mr. Nichols that I have not had the answer to. Some of them do concern the overall concept and we should seriously consider that if • we don't take it someone else will. Councilman Chappell: When you are for something, you'd better speak first or you won't get a chance later on. I will say that we have the .m Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-one UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Chappell: (cont.) • professional study that has told us we have a need for a transportation center. The heliport is just a small part of that center. There will be other facilities and we have had sketches and designs already presented to us in the past few months on this type of structure. I think that you are all aware now that there is a time element here. If we don't take it now, we are not going to get the opportunity to take it in the future. There are so many stops it could make, it may actually go out in the Valley or in Lancaster or Palmdale or some place like that. We have been charged with the duty of providing our City with services and making it a fine place to live, and a place to spend our money and to raise our families and get to work and get to wherever we are going as fast as possible. I think this will be just another block in the wall to aid us in this effort at this time. I have watched the helicopters.come in. This par- ticular craft they are using is a quiet one and a large one and it will not be flying as a fixed wing for a long distance over the residential area. It comes.down from the skies in a different manner and won't be over the homes and residences. Mayor Gleckman: Any other comments? I have some of the questions here. First of all, where the money is coming from. It is going to • come from the General Fund. Mr. Aiassa: Yes. Mayor Gleckman: We talked about a temporary facility, the advantage is ours, not L. A. Airways. The key is this, there is opposition to a permanent establishment in our Civic Center but I would not be opposed to it on a temporary basis, is the best way. We want a helicopter service and the Center is where it shall be located. I think the idea of a bedroom community might have been why you moved here. With that in mind, I think we are more of a balanced community. The City of West Covina is going.to be a City of 125,000 people. Out of 70,000 acres, we have 1800 master planned to be developed. We have an expansion to the City, not because West Covina is a bedroom com- munity, but because West Covina is a progressive community. We understand we are elected by the people, that.every time we make a progressive move it affects some people, every time we make a decision we get people,mad at us and some people against things, and it is impossible for an elective body totally to satisfy everybody. You have to take into consideration the future of the community, how •it is going to get there and how it is going to service the majority of the residents and it is unfortunate that with a particular location where you are going to put anything -- put i.triri'but put it on the other side of town, complaining about it whether.it is good or bad for this community, it is only that close to my house. None of us are different and we can't be blamed. -41- Reg. C.'C. 9/22/65 Page forty-two UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Mayor Gleckman: (cont.) •The people on Sunset Avenue ask if I can stop the traffic. When they,came here they didn't.have the noise element. It can't be done. We also sit up here. We want progress as long as it doesn't effect us personally. As long as you put progress in a community that has people, it is going to effect somebody and if somebody can give us that answer, that would be fine. The services you demand and should be received by people living in a community our size have to be provided. You can't ask a police man to work for free or a fireman or a school teacher to work for free. They are there to protect your interest and my interest and it is up to the elective body and the City Council to pay these people. People consistently complain about taxes. They complain mistakenly about taxes. Federal taxes and State taxes have all increased in the last ten years, and who gets the brunt, the Council and.its elected body who haven't raised taxes except for a 104� tax for a park to benefit the community. (referring to Galster Wilderness Park). Now I think it is time to go on record that we are seeking everything that we possibly can for the best interest of the entire community. We do not represent any individual groups or special interest groups in neighborhoods that say don't put it over here. I think it is an obligation to service all the •people of this community in every respect that it can, that this community, they want in their own little areas to represent their own little area. I think West Covina has come of age and I don't mind saying the progressive needs, progressive thoughts and planning is for you all. Not to get what we want for ourselves. We live here too and we vote for going next door to our home and to our relatives and to you people. I don't work on the planning commission and on the City Council to recommend going for the citizens of this community, all of _y'.ou and none of them. It can't be done and it is impossible to do. I do think that you should come before your elected body. I don't want people that come just because it has to do with them and not us, or being for or against something. The helicopter service is just another issue. It is not the main issue. You have the feeling that we might destroy the homes in West Covina. It is going to effect some people but we as the elected b ,dy have to decide as to whether the benefits of something like tYi��t would overall benefit the majority of the community at the expense of a few people that it might not effect otherwise. We may not be right in our decision. That is why we have public meetings to find out. the pros and cons that do come. The elected body is in a position that they have to weigh the evidence. They have to make a decision. •It is true that in some cases you may never agree with our decision. What we are trying to do for you, with the thought that we are doing it for all of us and not just against or for, against somebody else, for the City of West Covina, is to work out an opportunity to get some positive identity. -42- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-three UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Mayor Gleckman: (cont.) If you took a little look in the map you might not like winding up in the center of everything, but it lies in the center of everything and it should be the center of everything. If you've come to the area because of a bedroom community 17 years ago, and the land was worth now twice what you paid for it, so you have to ask why you are living here. Because you picked out this particular area, it was cheap enough that you could affort it without ekbrbitant.,prices. You were getting your money's worth, knowing that this community would grow and you would be a part of it. This is the price you have to pay. You can move into another area with the same prerogative, the only difference, you can't pay the tarrif. Here you can always move. Most people have to stay and fight it out. As far as the helicopter site is concerned, we picked this particular site because the City owns the land. You don't have to go out and buy a parcel. I think it is a good location and again I would not want it for a permanent site. We will be given the opportunity to see whether the City of West Covina needs this type of facility and I am sure we need L. A. Airways, whether L. A. Airways needs West Covina. We could bring a lot of good things to the City, of people that we are progressive, looking out for their interest in a sensible manner." Every question that was brought up and every •objections brought in this evening was good. Councilman Nichols summed it up. We are thoroughly convinced that we have the answer that this will not effect the people to a great extent, that we should go along and proceed and if we don't decide this is the location, we will seek out a location and not.lose the opportunity of seeing whether West Covina needs. Mr. Aiassa, could you give it to us in dollars and cents? Mr. Aiassa: Well, Mr. Mayor, the basic figure is about 35 thousand to 40 thousand dollars. Mayor Gleckman: That is not an on going figure? Mr. Aiassa: It is a one time shot. It will be removed at the time of,the construction of the underpass. We have worked -out some formulas. When the underpass is contructed the dirt would be put back and used as the mound is now. Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Cable, I would like to ask you, first of all, there have been some objections regarding •the helicopter as to its approach and its take -offs. Now I realize the public utilities and the City and the Federal Government have taken it into consideration. To what extent? -43- Reg. C. C. 9/22/69 Page forty-four UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cunt.) Mr. Cable: It has been given into determination by all of these agencies, through air space studies, they notify all of the public utilities which might be effected by . this type of service. That is in process and is being wrapped up the end of the week. In addition by visual inspection by the Federal Agencies, six times that I know of, they determine by very precise maps which have been supplied by our staff here in the City as to the approach whether they are in the way and where navigational aids will be used to determine their flight pattern under all conditions that are practicable and all other conditions. (Presents slides) The approach which has been approved, I say approved and using the word tentatively, no approval is given finally until this facility is builf as to what andwwhere is safe. We have the aerial photo. The heliport facility sets basically in this area and here it is approximately five hundred feet long (indicating) whether it is coming from the west or east it will be over the freeway and that is for many reasons. It was said that the sound goes straight down in a helicopter. That is true. A straight down penetration of the sound will be over the freeway and down in this area (indicating) The layout is rectangular because it is needed for the operation. The only space is that little hundred by 125 feet square right in front of the terminal building. That is in case with a full load if we lost an engine.and for some reason faltered, also a one in ten million chance, we could get back on the ground safely. And as you can see, it usually takes from 1000 feet down the freeway and takes -right back off again also over the freeway. The closest building is on the other side of the street here. Orange, or is • it Pacific? No, it is Orange. The closest we would ever be is, approximately 800 feet at that point. The only other time would be when you have the northerly winds. As indicated on the graph these have been determined by the Federal Aviation Agency as safe and practical. There will be two light poles on Service Avenue just up from the corner of Garvey and Service and they have been taken into consideration by the staff. Thank you very much. THE CHAIR DECLARED A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AT 11:00 P.M. COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 11:08 P.M. Councilman Nichols: The firm that lands in Pomona and coming from Los Angeles, does it come anywhere over West Covina? Mr. Cable: We fly over the freeway and just south of the freeway. Councilman Nichols: At about what elevation? • Mr. Cable: A thousand and -five hmdred feet, a thousand feet. Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-five UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) Councilman Nichols: It will come over 20 times a day, over • Orange Avenue to come down? Mr. Cable: It will be at 800 feet. That same thing actually has been going on for five years. Councilman Nichols: I have never seen the machines before. Mr. Cable: You will see them a little more readily now. Councilman Nichols: I see the Sheriff's Department. Mr. Cable: The noise level is acceptable at this point. We are striving to reduce it so we can come into areas we can't possibly get into now. The noise level is no- where near that of the small helicopters. If they went over at the same time, you would still hear the small helicopter. Noise is generated by the tail rotor and equal to the size of the tail rotor. The more RPM's, the louder it gets. We have a modification and it reduces the noise that is presently produced in half. The only problem is they cost $1,000 each, so we haven't quite got to them �.. yet. Councilman Gillum: What is the initial cost of the helicopter • we saw land out here? Mr. Cable: One million dollars. Councilman Gillum: That is quite an investment. Mayor Gleckman: Some of their questions haven't had any answers. As Mr. Lobato asked, what are we going to do two years from today. The only answer is that it gives us two years to decide. We don't know that yet. Mr. Lobato: Five to ten years if we have the expenditure of 35 to 50 thousand dollars is what is wrong as we have it now, a permanent situation. Mayor Gleckman: The particular site, the temporary location which is involved, belongs to and will belong to the streets of West Covina. There is a street coming right through the middle and the underpass at Orange Avenue and we can face it at that particular time and eliminate it. •We hope to, within the next six months, to aquire property, and even today we are looking for a particular site within the City as well as recommendations from the Chamber of Commerce for your knowledge, a particular person has 12 to 14 acres just north of the freeway, part of it in Baldwin Park if we would entertain the thought in their -45- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-six UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION Mayor Gleckman: (coat.). • transportation p proposed to build there. As a facility development and as a reality, more and more people are looking for a permanent site for the structure that will be decided by the then present City Council. r� LJ Any other comments. I don't have anything further. That is the best that I can do. Anybody else that would have a question that wasn't answered? Councilman Lloyd: We do have a communication from the California Department of Aeronautics at Sacramento dated September 16 which we hold here. They ask for five to ten days. They want to notify the County, Southern Cali- fornia Edison, General Division of Highways Department, the West Covina Unified School District, and all other agencies to Mr. Miller the Supervisor of the Aviations Department of Aeronautics and they have indicated no objections to what we are doing. I make a motion that this meeting be continued to the 27th of October. Mayor Gleckman: With the hearing held open? Councilman Lloyd: With the hearing held open. Mayor Gleckman: To the meeting of October 27, is that within our prerogative Mr. Wakefield? Mr. Wakefield: Yes, Mr. Mayor. You should take separately or together, but the precise plan. Councilman Nichols: I hope we have another chance to observe this type of machine in operation. Mayor Gleckman: Because I think the Council should have an opportunity to get involved in the landing and the noise, Mr. Lloyd, would you make a motion that Unclassified Use Permit be held over? Councilman Lloyd: I so move. Councilman Gillum: I second. Mayor Gleckman: So ordered. And the Precise Plan, hold that matter over? Councilman Lloyd: I move to hold the Precise Plan open. Councilman Gillum.: I second. Mayor Gleckman: Any discussion? No. So ordered. Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-seven UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT NO. 142 PRECISE PLAN NO. 500 (cont.) COUNCIL DISCUSSION: (cont.) • Councilman Lloyd: I would indicate that we are still shooting. for the early fall and I am hoping to acorn- plish it by the f if te:enth of November. AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED A proposed amendment regarding various modifications to Article IX, Chapter II, Parts 10, 11, 12.5, 13.5, 17, 22, and 27 of the West Covina Municipal Code. Recom- mended by Planning Commission Resolution No. 2188. Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Bedaux will go over them rather quickly. That is a lot of minor changes, mostly corrections and also clarifications of language. Mr. Bedaux, Assistant Planning Director, read Resolution No. 2188 of the Planning Commission referring to Amendment No. 98, City Initiated. THE CHAIR DECLARED THAT THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED. • NO SPEAKERS. THE CHAIR DECLARED THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING CLOSED. COUNCIL DISCUSSION Councilman Chappell: Regarding signs on Page 3, we already have violations of our sign Ordinance. Are these two changes going to add more to that sign problem? Is it going to take them away? Mr. Bedaux: At,the present time, it is that a sign must be flat against the building, and most signs comply except for a certain theater, where this was not enforced - presented that it did not connect to the building. It'was a free standing sign. We wanted eight inches as a maximum limitation. That is the thickness of the sign. That,is all it could extend out. Councilman Chappell: The illuminated signs. What is the change • there? How many people will it effect that no exterior illuminations shall not be allowed? -47- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-eight PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) • Mr. Bedaux: That is already up to -- already in the Ordinance at the present time, is that no change, visible.from the public parking area or street. That is the sentence we have added, in that we have that question put to us in certain instances. Councilman Lloyd: Sounds like everything we have to do, is ask that it be held over in view of the fact we have announced and 4quired a new Planning Director. The time to view this activity, I think that we should have a period of a time, a moratorium of 30 days with the Ordinance of our City as they differ from other cities. Therefore, frankly I will certainly accept the publication that it be held over for a period of 30 days until such time as the new Planning Director takes office and I am suggesting, I am prepared to make a motion. I make a motion it should be held over for a period of time - where would that put us? Mr. Aiassa: October 27. Councilman Lloyd: Hold over until October 27 on Amendment No. 98. • Mr. Wakefield: It may be either way if you wish to hear public discussion - you have already closed the hearing and continue it. You may do so. Councilman Lloyd: Hold it open. We are better off holding a new meeting and having it published. Mayor Gleckman: Holding the hearing open or returning at the time and if we so choose and declare the hearing open at that time. Mr. Wakefield: Re -open the hearing and continue the matter until October 27. Councilman Lloyd: I will stand by. Can we make the motion? I make a motion that the hearing be held open on Amendment No. 98 recommended by Planning Commission Resolution No. 2188 until October 27 to hear from the new Planning Director. Councilman Gillum: Do we not have one motion on the floor that • was not voted on? Mr. Lloyd made a motion to hold this over. Mayor Gleckman: He did, but he wanted to get an interpretation. Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page forty-nine PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED COUNCIL DISCUSSION (cont.) . Councilman Gillum: Councilman Lloyd: Mayor Gleckman: The motion wasn't withdrawn? There were no motions on the floor, to Mr. Parlimentarian, my motion. were you, I didn't recognize the second. Councilman Nichols: Mr. Mayor, there was a motion at the floor and a discussion of your point of order is ruled out of order. Mr. Lloyd first made a statement that he wondered how the rest of the Council felt, then he went on about his business as if he really didn't care. Councilman Lloyd: I really care. Councilman Nichols: I don't,really don't know what all the concern is about this, what all the amendments are and I don't have them in my Council file. I've missed them. Councilman Gillum That makes two of us. Mayor Gleckman: Do you have B 4 or B 5 in your book? • Councilman Chappell: They numbered them wrong. Councilman Nichols: I'm off the track. Somewhere I've missed them, somewhere that this matter should be carried over. Mr. Aiassa, may I have a repeat on whatever I didn't get? Mr. Aiassa: I have no idea who may have goofed on the issue. It.will be properly handled in the moving. Councilman Nichols: I concur with Mr. Lloyd and that is my opinion. Mayor Gleckman: Any other discussion. Does Councilman Gillum and Councilman Nichols have Public Hearings B5, Amendment No. 99 - City Initiated? AMENDMENT NO. 99 - CITY INITIATED A proposed amendment to certain sections of the West Covina Municipal Code regarding Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty PUBLIC HEARINGS (cont.) -AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED (cont.) modifications to set forth standards for • keeping of dogs and the maintenance of hobby kennels. Recommended by Planning Commission Resolution No. 2189. Mayor Gleckman: Just the highlights, please. Mr. Bedaux: Referring back to the Planning Commission and staff, writing of an Ordinance with a hobby.kennel, this particular thing would allow particular people to establish a hobby kennel at least we fitted it in this way, that the resident requirement for any time of a hobby kennel, secondly the minimum site size involved to establish would have to be ten thousand square feet of lawn way to do construction of buildings, walks sections, litters, what you can do with them and that is basically the main body of the kennel Ordinance. In addition, Othere was a question that we also pass on the numbernthat can be kept and the magic number,came up four. The particular section of it so stated have been revised to be four adult cats at one time and a couple of sections in the Municipal Code which alluded to the keeping of dogs for breeding purposes, a definition which conflicts even in the zoning Ordinances. We request three zonings be eliminated as they will have been taken over. Mayor Gleckman: Thank you. • THE CHAIR DECLARED THAT THIS WAS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON AMENDMENT NO. 98 - CITY INITIATED. NO SPEAKERS THE CHAIR DECLARED THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING CLOSED. Councilman Nichols: Having read the proposed Ordinance, I note that it is.to be handled under the Unclassified Use Permit. I think this is a good control device within the frame work, we will have close control. Had there not been the Unclassified Use Permit requirement, I would have intended to oppose, with it where we can look at the particular neighborhood and the specific parcel of property, I would favor this and am prepared to vote for it. Councilman Gillum: I would move for that approval of Amendment No. 99 and Resolution No. 2189. Councilman Lloyd: - . Seconded. • Carried to -approve Amendment No. 99 and Resolution No. 2189. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. Mayor Gleckman: This is the time.and place within this agenda -50- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-one 11 CJ • ORAL COMMUNICATIONS (cont.) Mayor Gleckman: (cont.) when anyone may address the Council on anything whatsoever. If not, we will go on to the next order of business. CITY MANAGER:': LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa, do you have anything to add to the agreement, the joint exercise of power? Mr. Aiassa: The only item I'd like to add, this will constitute the County will be sharing fifty percent of the operation of our Civic Center. Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Chappell that the Council authorize the signing of the Landscape Maintenance Agreement between the City of West Covina and the County of Los Angeles and the Council directs the Mayor and City Clerk to sign the appropriate agreements. Councilman Gillum; Mr. Aiassa, has Mr. Wakefield reviewed it? Mr. Aiassa: Yes. As a matter of fact, he wrote it. Mayor Gleckman: All afirmative. So ordered. APPOINTMENT OF SIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS Mr. Aiassa: There is a memo attached with the names of the people suggested to participate on this advisory committee. Each area has its own peculiarities and the person who can be representative of that area. We have a recommendation. Councilman Nichols: A suggestion was made by the Council to submit any additional names. When would it be appropriate? Mr. Aiassa: This week. Councilman Nichols: I have one suggestion, the name escapes me at the moment, the Schwinn Twin Bicycle Shop. Councilman Chappell: Bill, probably, but they have sold out. Councilman Nichols: I withdraw my suggestion. Councilman Gillum made a motion to approve the list of names, seconded by Councilman Chappell. -51- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-two CITY MANAGER (cont.) APPOINTMENT OF SIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS (cont.) Mayor Gleckman: I only would like to have them investigate • the idea the service stations signs in the City of West Covina. I think if we had some type of regulation possible such as on a pole, you'd get rid of frame signs that are all around the stations. In most service stations with our signs there is no way in which to put out their price of gasoline going on, and the manner in which a person is after gas, they see a sign with the prices posted. I would offer that as a recommendation taken into consideration on the sign Ordinance. Any other comments? None. The motion was carried for appointment of sign review committee members. APPOINTMENT OF PLANNING DIRECTOR Mr. Aiassa: Council knows that the staff has been trying to recruit a Planning Director and we have initiated invitations. We were contacted by 34 applicants, and reduced down to 11. The Oral Board did the interviews. We had Howard Tipton, Ex -City Manager of r� Glendora, FranV-Haven, Dick Tracey, Herb Tise, and Ron Thompson, a professional Planner from Anaheim. They recommended to the staff five candidates and of the five candidates, myself and my staff re- duced them down to three and we finally would like to recommend for the Council's confirmation the hiring of Mr. Richard Mensel to be appointed City.Planning Director, at a salary of $1, 425 a month. Motion by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried to appoint Mr. Mensel as new City Planning Director. Mayor Gleckman: Mr. mensel, welcome aboard. Now your trouble begins. Also, letters of appre- ciation should go out to the five on the Oral Board from the City of West Covina, officially thanking them. Mr. Aias'sa: We have done that. PERSONNEL CHANGE - CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE Mayor Gleckman: Are there any personnel changes to report? Mr. Aiassa: No, I haven't. MayorGleckman: To receive and file? • Mr. Aiassa: Yes. Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Aiassa, were there any changes in salaries? -52- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-three CITY MANAGER (cunt.) PERSONNEL CHANGE - CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE (cont.) Mr. Aiassa: Yes, I believe salaries increased. It was • a small change. Councilman Lloyd: Could you tell us how small they are so that I know? Mr. Aiassa: Dawson will go from $680 to $768 a month. Councilman Lloyd: That is pretty small. Mr. Aiassa: He'll stay in that position. Harry Peacock goes from $847 to $935 a month. As you remember, the others were not changed very much in salary. A motion was made by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried to receive and file. MEETING ON OPEN SPACE AND LAND USE CONTROL - Request for staff to attend. A motion was made by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried to have a member of the staff attend the meeting on open • space and land control..use. TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES September 18, 1969 A motion was made by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried to receive and file. CATV FRANCHISE - Applicant presentation Mr. Aiassa: On the CAW Franchise application, they were going to be here this evening. They are going to make a presentation to the Council, and I'd like to advise that this matter was going to be extensive. They have it in San Francisco and I suggest the Council hold it off additionally until the Council and my staff'have a chance to hear what they have up north, and we are trying to arrange a coordinated plan, a San Gabriel Valley organization orientated, so all of it will be tied in instead of going into franchise as a single City. He did make a . trip down from San Francisco. Mayor Gleckman: would you step to the microphone and give us an idea of time? -53- Reg. C.C. 9/22A9 Page fifty-four CITY MANAGER (cont.) CATV FRANCHISE - Applicant Presentation (cont.) Tom Lawford .Nationwide Cable Vision 157 N. Calvados Azusa Mayor Gleckman: You heard the City Manager take no action until after meeting? How long is your say that we the League presentation? Mr. Lawford: I will hold it to a minimum. I,would like to start by giving you a little background of our company. We are wholly owned subsidiary of Kauffman and Broad, the world's largest publicly held system in Washington, Oregon, and many in Southern California. So, the proposal we are offering the 3 City of Los Angeles is second to none. Basically we are offering a 100 percent underground system throughout the entire City with 27 channels capability. While the trenches are open, we propose to put in an extra conduit and extra cable as dictated by your Planning Director or City Engineer, for a City fire and police alarm system, at no charge to the City. We propose to build a local studio, to make channels available to your.school system, to the municipal police and fire departments. We propose to put on one channel .alternate news, New York Stock Exchange reports and 24 hours news, which is -,right as the UPI gets its news. We plan to use channels for local organizations from the City of West Covina, to run first - • run movies, to have a mobile unit for video taping local ball games, City Council Meetings (if they aren't too long). We plan to establish an office in the Cityi of course, have maintenance crews available on a 24 hour basis, and we want to make service available to everyone in the City. The rates that we have submitted in our proposal are es- tablished rates, rates we feel that we can live with for the entire franchise period. We would also propose to give the City 3% which is outlined in your Ordinance. We have just today presented a proposal identical to this one, to the City Manager of Covina, so that we are hoping to tie in the San Gabriel Valley. We are in approximately nine cities at the present time and we would Pike nothing better than to come into West Covina to tie this all in. Now basically, that is what we have to offer. Do you have any questions at this time? Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Lawford: Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Lawford: Mayor Gleckman: Are you Federally controlled? By the FCC. What are some of the nine cities? Glendora, Monrovia, Bradbury, Hastings Ranch in Pasadena. What is the cost to the City? -54- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-five • • CITY MANAGER (cont.) CATV FRANCHISE - Applicant Presentation (cont.) Mr. Lawford: The cost to the City is nothing. Mayor Gleckman: It is completely voluntary? Mr. Lawford: Yes. Mayor Gleckman: How long a franchise period? Mr. Lawford: We have adopted a 20 year period. Mayor Gleckman: Who owns the equipment underground? Mr. Lawford: We do, but it is a re -negotiable franchise at that time. Mayor Gleckman: Council, do you have any questions? Councilman Nichols: What is your company's proposed schedule of the construction of this system, assuming the granting of this franchise? Are you prepared to,financially to move ahead and put this system in yesterday? Mr. Lawford: We are prepared to do this. We have the finacial backing of Kauffman and Broad. We are at the present time, putting in our facilities throughout the San Gabriel Valley. We are approximately one month to total completion in Pomona and we have offered them identical to what you are offered. 6 Mayor Gleckman: Is there any other organization like this which is competing with you for these types of franchises? Mr. Lawford: Yes, there are other organizations. Councilman Chappell: Where do they dictate? Mr. Lawford: The City Engineer has some, he usually links these things. Mayor Gleckman: How do you get paid? I mean the company? Mr. Lawford: From the subsription rate. Mayor Gleckman: And we get 3%,of the gross? Councilman Nichols: How many trenches have.to occur in the City of this size. Surely, not down every street. -55- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-six CJ �J CITY MANAGER (cont.) CATV FRANCHISE - Applicant Presentation (cont.) Mr. Lawford: Yes, down every street. We are not talking about a large trench. Mayor Gleckman: This is completely at your expense? Mr. Lawford: It is about $13,000 a mile. Mayor Gleckman: I will bring up the subject Wednesday at the meeting with Covina at the Mayors meeting, so. I'll have some additional information to bring back to the Council. They are already involved, and of course, at the League of California Cities, from the staff. I don't mean it to sound suspicious, but you've got to tell me what the benefits part of it is. Mr. Lawford: I would like to extend an invitation to view a totally underground system in San Carlos, talk to the City Manager. We will be there to,, --the first if you are going to be there at the League meeting. Mayor Gleckman: We might take you up on that. Councilman Chappell: If we were to do this, would this be the one? Mr. Lawford: It is non-exclusive, but only one franchise is given. Mayor Gleckman: I think that is what he is asking for. Normally our Council meetings don't last this long, but we have had a couple of public hearings, and I would entertain a motion that this be carried over to our meeting of October 27. Motion made by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried to hold over to meeting of October 27. Councilman Lloyd: It's going to be a dandy meeting. Mayor Gleckman: They come up on the schedule just as they are set up. CITY MANAGER TRIP TO SACRAMENTO - Oral report Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum and carried that permission by granted. Mayor Gleckman: With normal expenses? -56- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-seven CITY MANAGER (cont.) CITY MANAGER TRIP TO SACRAMENTO (cont.) 'Councilman Nichols: Mr. Lloyd is flying up, maybe they could . .share expenses? USE OF FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT LAND FOR RECREATION PURPOSES - Informational Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum and carried, to receive and file. SAFETY TOWN - Informational Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum and carried, to receive and file. VARIOUS FUNDS FROM LOS ANGELES COUNTY FOR STREET CONSTRUCTION - Informational Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Nichols and carried, to receive and file. Mayor Gleckman: The $60,000 that you earned for the City, we should put another notch on his belt Mr. Aiassa. • Councilman Nichols: That is money that might have gone elsewhere. Mayor Gleckman: We appreciate it. PRELIMINARY PLANNING AND SECURITY LIGHTING FOR CITY PARKS Mayor Gleckman: I would entertain a motion that this be held over to our next regular meeting. Councilman Nichols: Why is that? Mayor Gleckman: The hour is getting late. Councilman Nichols: The Council staff to prepare preliminary plans for Cameron and Friendship Park with security within the budgetary limit and with a request to prepare plans for Palmview and Orange. Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, to hold;over.to next regular meeting. SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS (Retirement System Changeover) Informational -57- Reg. C.C. 9/22A 9 Page fifty-eight • • CITY MANAGER (cont.) SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS (cont.) Motion by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, to receive and file. SWIMMING POOL EVALUATION MEETING - Informational Motion by Councilman -Chappell, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, to receive and file. Councilman,Chappell: I hope this pool gets finished. Councilman Lloyd: When are we going to get this pool finished? It has been delayed since the start of the summer session. Mayor Gleckman: We said we will be able to fill it once more this week -end. Councilman Lloyd: Is that final? I hope so. TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING - CAMERON AVENUE AND LARK ELLEN AVENUE - Informational Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa, I asked you about this pending repairs. What are we talking about? Mr. Aiassa: That is Mr. Zimmerman's category. Mr. Zimmerman: Mr. Mayor, I've been by there every day. We changed the timing every day. It appeared to give more time to the Lark Ellen leg of the traffic, but there is a loop in Cameron, destroyed by the Sanitation Department, which they are coming back to replace within the next few weeks. Mayor Gleckman: There was a question of a traffic light at Service Avenue and California. Is that going to go to the traffic committee meeting. Mr. Aiassa: We questioned that and it wasn't taken up. Mr. Zimmerman: We didn't have a chance to take it up. It will appear on the next traffic committee meeting. Mr. Aiassa: That I'd like to add as a minor item to the agenda. Mayor Gleckman: No objections. :R= Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page fifty-nine CITY MANAGER (cont.) Mr. Aiassa: We have a police mutual agreement with the City of Azusa, authority of the Marshall. . Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, to receive and file. CITY CLERK: Claim for Personal Injuries by Lydia Singletary Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, to deny and refer to Insurance Carrier. CITY TREASURER'S REPORT - August, 1969 Motion by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, to receive and file. MAYOR'S REPORTS Mayor Gleckman: We have a meeting with the Narcotics Advisory Committee. What is your pleasure gentlemen? • Councilman Chappell: October 29. Councilman Lloyd: We have this. Was there any reason it was not on another Monday - unable to meet at that time. Mr. Aiassa: Mr. Dawson, Mr. Peacock. Is there anything particular Thursday? This was a preference of the Committee after they had been polled individually. Councilman Lloyd: Ask them for a Monday. It rdquires that we meet on these days. We have a lot of commitments. I would appreciate it and would rather do it on a Monday. Who is hurt the most? Councilman Nichols: The first and third Wednesday I'm committed. Mayor Gleckman: Is that, if I remember the Narcotics Advisory Committee, are all engaged for somebody in •private business. We would want it at four o'clock or 4:30, and they couldn't get off at that particular time unless you are suggesting a meeting night we don't have a meeting. Councilman Lloyd: On a Monday, even five or 5:30. How much time do we need? -59- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page sixty MAYOR§ REPORTS (cont.) NARCOTICS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING (cont.) Mayor Gleckman: We are going to have to give them a couple of hours. • Councilman Nichols: An evening court has a professional obligation. We'll have to understand that. Mayor Gleckman: How many members have a problem with October 29? As Councilman Nichols stated, those that can be there will attend. Unless you voice an objection at this particular time, that will be the day we will give them. Motion by Councilman Chappell, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried to set the meeting date for October 29. AIR POLLUTION SUIT -'Letter from Congressman Brown Mayor Gleckman: I had a letter from Congressman Brown concerning the situation such as the decision by the people in Washington to drop the suit against the four major auto makers about this thing. I hope it remains. I surely support the idea of us trying to do something about the air pollution suit and would like to hear as to • what the Council would like to do. Councilman Nichols: I concur in your point of view on this. I think it should remain non -partisan. The smog problem is as grave a problem as society has faced in the history of this nation. Something has got to be done. Mayor Gleckman: I agree. Councilman Nichols: Obviously, there was good reason for people in government-:tb.'-. feel that the auto makers had an element of responsibility, and the Justice Department felt that way. I think those feelings should be explored totally and that suit should have prevailed, and I was dis- appointed that it wasn't. I give you one vote to urge this Council to take a strong position in support of those who are again urging this suit be re -instated. Councilman Lloyd: I concur. Mayor Gleckman: May I have a motion for supporting the position taken by George Brown, Member of Congress, giving as much support as we can? Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, to give support to Congressman Brown. M Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page sixty-one MAYOR'S REPORTS (cunt.) PROCLAMATION - "Apartment Living Week" September 29 - October 4, 1969 Mayor Gleckman: We have a proclamation, "Apartment Living • Week", September 29 - October 4, 1969. I was waiting for a comment. USE OF CIVIC CENTER CONFERENCE ROOMS FOR COMMISSION MEETINGS Mayor Gleckman: Councilman Lloyd, at one time in the past, commented to me and several of the other Members of the Council, seeing if we can't revise -commission meetings and set up as many as possible on the same nights, using different conference rooms and not worry about making it every night, so they could use the main room here. The idea would be that some of us attending two commissions would have an opportunity to visit the other commission meeting the same night. We feel it has merit and I would like to have the staff invesigate it and make a recommendation. Councilman Chappell: The way I look at it, many times public hearings like we do, groups appear in those little conference rooms something is going to happen. They probably don't know all the time and it would be a real hardship. Mayor Gleckman: Commission, the manner same night. Mr. Aiassa: That that is not advisable or feasible for the Planning Commission on certain nights, the Personnel Board and Human Relations in which they have been operating is on the The Personnel Board has hearings. Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that 'this be referred to staff to study the feasibility and in addition that the study include the ideas of the Council. YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL Mayor Gleckman: It was dropped for various reasons from the Council, but I would like to set up a Council similar to the Narcotics Advisory Council, and make it an advisory group to adults to an advisory group of students, to come back with certain recommendations in City Government. I haven't fully outline it. I would like to establish a Mayor's Youth Advisory Council in the City of West Covina. Councilman Lloyd: I will make it as a motion and then hold off. -61- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page sixty-two MAYOR'S. REPORTS YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL Mayor Gleckman: I would like permission of the Council to work out the particulars with the staff • and come back with the findings. Councilman Lloyd: In case you don't have a viable workable program, the dynamics of involvment with young people, they are very short on patience and as a result, there must be something for them to do, the doing of it, and to do it might be ill-advised.*. Mayor Gleckman: That I am considering setting up a Youth Advisory Council for the City of West Covina, in the near future, are there any comments? Councilman Nichols: My comments would be that I think it is an excellent idea to be more definitive to the Council before you seek Council approval. Mayor Gleckman: I am advising that this will be given to a team to set up 1-het4uidelines for the Youth Advisory Council so you will know I've been working on it. Councilman Gillum: Some of us had an invitation to view the test of the helicopter which is being considered, at least looked into, by West Covina and • Covina. I availed myself of the privilege of going along with them on the simulated chase for a prowler and I was very much impressed by the operation of.the machines officer, in the role of a prowler by Mr. Aiassa, and would like to go in the next two times with the dif- ferent machines when they will be available. That is all I have Mr. Mayor. Mayor Gleckman: I saw your children at the ball game and they told me that is where you were. Councilman Nichols: ' I don't have anything at all. Councilman Lloyd: No, I have nothing at this time. Councilman Chappell: Mr. Mayor, in line with your many remarks in the past on the drive-in restaurants and the drive-thru restaurants, I would like to make a motion, and recommend to the Planning Commission they come up with the means of making this in the Unclassified Use Permit category of our Ordinance. • Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd and carried, to have the Planning Commission consider this recommendation. -62- Reg. C.C. 9/22/69 Page sixty-three Mayor Gleckman: I received a letter from Toluca, Mexico, Mrs. Burkeman is doing the interpretation, mine is not up to par. At one time, the City of Toluca requested that some small space in the new Civic Center be set aside for the placement of a small monument of the • Sister City of Toluca, and I received a letter today from a friend of ours who is a member of the Sister City, who attends the Uni- versity there and is in the school of architecture. He said in the particular letter, they are very much interested in designing some type of symbol to fit into any particular space we might have, and asked for some type of an aerial map or location or plot plan to see how big an area we would sett.aside and what we would allow them to do. He would be up October 5 to get a view of that particular area and an idea of what to do for this particular area in West Covina. I wonder what the Council feels? Councilman Gillum: The joint powers and the architect. Mr. Aiassa: We would have to originate with our architect. Councilman Gillum: I would recommend for a motion to refer this to the City Planning Commission and the staff to carry on with the -joint powers. Councilman Chappell: Seconded. Councilman Nichols: It is sort of nebulous - a large outdoor • plot to a display case. I don't get the geome,trics of what he is talking about. Mayor Gleckman: I don't either, other than that they are willing to and would seek to do something in our Civic Center which would compliment and bring attention to our Sister City. Relating to you, it would be necessary, it would be up to the architect to make a recommendation Q and then come back to them.,\`\I don't want to know this thing around too much. We should before we would turn this over to the architect or to those people, recontact down there and get a little more detail of the thing they are talking about. Money is involved and at great cost and expense of relocation. If we don't make a suggestion, we may find we have embarked on something we wish we hadn't. Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman,Lloyd, and carried, to refer to staff. APPROVE DEMANDS Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, to approve $286,000 as listed on Demand Sheet CC 605. -63- Reg. C.C. ,9/22/69 Page sixty-four ADJOURNMENT Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried to adjourn this meeting at 12:30 A.M. to Tuesday, October 14, • 1969, at 4:00 P.M. APPROVED: ATTEST: CITY CLERK • 0 MAYOR