10-28-1968 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA
OCTOBER 28, 1968.
The regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Leonard Gleckman
in the West Covina City Council Chambers at 7: 30 P.M. The Pledge of Allegiance was
led by Councilman Gillum; the invocation was delivered by Reverend Charles R. Simmons,
of the Methodist Church of West Covina.
ROLL CALL
Present: Councilmen Chappell, Nichols, Lloyd, Gillum, Mayor Gleckman
Also Present: George Aiassa, City Manager
Lela Preston, City Clerk
George Wakefield, City Attorney
H. R. Fast, Public Service Director
Owen Menard, Planning Director
George Zimmerman, Ass't. City Engineer
(Councilman Lloyd introduced to. Council, Mr. Yesaya Mlay, of Tanzania, a student at
Cal -Poly College studying civil engineering, and who was attending the meeting to
observe the governmental process of a City. Mayor Gleckman welcomed Mr. Mlay.)
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS
AWARD OF BIDS
PURCHASE OF TIRES - 69-27
Bids were received in the office of the City Clerk at 10: 00 A.M. on Wednesday,
October 23, 1968, as follows:
GOODYEAR- SERVICE . STORE Net State Price less 20%
BOB CONLON' S TIRE. SERVICE " " "
GENERAL TIRE SERVICE it if
UNIROYAL HOME & AUTO CENTER ofit
Motion by Councilman. Gillum that City Council accept the bid of Goodyear Service Store,
West Covina, for the purchase of tires from January 1, through December 31, 1969, at
Net State Price„ less 20% discount. Motion seconded by Councilman Chappell. Motion
carried. Councilman. Lloyd voted "no".
PURCHASE OF VEHICLES
3 automobiles and 1 station wagon.
Bids were received in the office of the City Clerk at 10: 00 a.m. on Wednesday,
October 23, 1968, as ,follows:
•1 3 automobiles
4/pas8enger sedans
1 station wagon
DAVIES CHEVROLET
$5, 795.70
$2, 680.57
LEO HOFFMAN CHEVROLET
$6, 198.87
$2, 840.84
RALPH'S CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH
$6,465.42
$3,072.01
RUSS DAVIS, FORD
$6,475.08
$3,215.29
HAEFNER CHRYSLER-PLYMOUTH
$6, 567. 87
$3, 124.63
ROBERTS RAMBLER
$6, 894.90
$3, 337.70
COVINA DODGE
$6, 924.00
$3, 253.37
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CITY CLERK - PURCHASE OF VEHICLES - Continued
The City Clerk advised that Davies Chevrolet apparently made a mistake in their low
bid, as it was withdrawn.
"Mayor Gleckman: Evidenced was presented and a recommendation has been
made to allow the bid of Davies Chevrolet to be withdrawn
• and I would entertain such a motion at this time.
Mr. Wakefield: I have reviewed the matter with the Controller and there was
a clerical error made in their bid, and it is permissable that
it be withdrawn.
"Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that the
City Council grant the withdrawal of Davies Chevrolet bid on 3 automobiles and 1 station
wagon.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, that the City Council
approve the second low bidder - Leo Hoffman Chevrolet for 3 Chevelle Sedans and 1
Chevelle Station Wagon,
Councilman,. Lloyd: My immediate reaction is that barring the unforeseen, I
would think we could buy our cars within the area of West
Covina. I realize this may not be competitive, but I am
thinking that it is a very small minute of money - but however small it is an amount that
does not come in to the City treasury by buying outside of the City of West Covina.
Councilman. Nichols: I do think Councilman. Lloyd's position is commendable,
except I do think we are obligated to buy on the low bid. I
think the answer is to get more competitive dealers in the
City of West Covina.
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell,. Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT:. None
PRECISE. PLAN 533 LOCATION: Southwest Corner of Garvey
STREET IMPROVEMENTS Avenue and Glendora, Avenue (Amigos
THE HOLLAND COMPANY Restaurant)
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that: City
Council accept street improvements on Precise Plan 533, and authorize the release of
Hartford Accident and. Indemnity Company performance bond No.. N-3925873 in the amount
of $3500.00.
PRECISE PLAN 465, REV. 1 LOCATION: East side Sunkist Avenue, south
STREET IMPROVEMENTS of Garvey Avenue.
ALBERT B o GELLER
*Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that City
Council approve the street improvements on Precise Plan 465, Rev. 1; and authorize
the release of Universal Savings and Loan Association assignment certificate
No. 11-15714-6 in the amount of $1300.00.
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CITY CLERK - Continued
UNCLASSIFIED USE PERMIT 115
"STREET IMPROVEMENTS
FAITH ASSEMBLY OF GOD
LOCATION: North side of Badillo Street,
approximately 150 feet west of Sunset Avenue.
"Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that City
*Council accept street improvements under Unclassified Use Permit 115; and authorize
the release of cash deposit in the amount of $1000. 00.
RESOLUTION NO. 3891 The. City Clerk presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, AUTHORIZING
ADOPTED THE EXECUTION OF A GRANT OF EASEMENT
TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON COMPANY
FOR UTILITY PURPOSES. "
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman. Lloyd, that City Council adopt
said ,Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell, Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
i RESOLUTION NO. 3892 The City Clerk presented:
"A. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OF
ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, GIVING
APPROVAL TO PARCEL MAP 809 -
DONALD J. MAHONEY. "
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman. Nichols, seconded by Councilman Chappell, that City Council
adopt said Resolution.
Councilman.Gillum: A question of Mr. Fast. This Precise Plan is on the original
request by the applicant pertaining to that lot split?
Mr. Fast: Yes - this is on the original request.
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell,. Nichols,Gillum,. Lloyd
NOES: Mayor Gleckman
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION NO. 3893 The City Clerk presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA,. ACCEPTING
GRANT OF EASEMENT - MRS . GEORGE . E.
SILVER (two parcels) Project'SP-69004."
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, that City Council adopt
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CITY CLERK - RESOLUTION NO. 3893 Continued
said Resolution.
"Mayor Gleckman: Mrs.. Preston - is Mrs.. George E. Silver the owner of the
South Hills Country Club?
City Clerk: I haven't any answer.
'Mr. Aiassa: She is the owner of this property.
Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Wakefield - I question that. I don't think she owns the
South Hills Country Club. Is the staff willing to go on record
on the basis that this woman owns the property?
"Mr. Fast: The grant of easement is recorded in her name on the two
parcels in.question.
Motion carried on roll, call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell,. Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RECREATION & PARKS COMMISSION
REVIEW RECREATION & PARKS COMMISSION ACTION:
October 22, 19618
Galster Park Development - item 5
• Mayor Gleckman: There was a motion made and carried by the Recreation & Parks
Commission recommending development for Galster Park - a
general plan of action for the 1968-69 fiscal year as proposed
in the memorandum from the Recreation & Parks Director, My recommendation would be
that we schedule another adjourned meeting with the Recreation & Parks Commission to
discuss this item in detail, so we will all be familiar with the progress wanted and
how the money will be spent and how much of it will be spent on Galster Park - - unless
you feel it is not of that much significance.
Councilman Nichols: There is only one aspect of the plan - the time schedule -
that I have some question about.. I don't know that a meeting
is necessary to resolve that, My other comments relate to
Item 4 and 7 - which states "staff to determine the scope of architectural work and the
Council to appoint the architect. " I am not at all sure at this time that we will need an
architect.
Councilman Gillum: I was the liaison at this Commission meeting.. This question I
think best could be answered by a joint meeting. . This came
up by the Commissioners - why do we need an architect and
why in this. order? I think it would best be discussed in a joint session . Also something
else has to. be determined by Council. We have never decided what proportion of the 10�
tax increase is going to go to Galster Park. Our proposal did not include a definite figure.
iThis has to. be determined before they can actively continue a program.
Councilman. Lloyd: I note that in Item 10 they have set for February, 1969 and it
states "Council determination on Galster Park expenditures. . . "
so in their time schedule they have provided a time for
Council to review. But I would tend to agree that I would like to have a meeting. I
think it is a very important project and we have taken a large step in encouraging it
through the. tax increase, and I would be in favor of a fairly early meeting.
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RECREATION & PARKS COMISSION Continued
Mayor Gleckman: My only thought in asking Council was that we have now
asked the Recreation & Park Commission for one meeting
which they had with.Mr.. Galster. Mr.. Galster complied
with everything he said he would do, and at this stage of the game the recommendation
would-be from the staff to the Recreation & Park Commission as to what the actual
plans and figures are. I think the staff could probably handle the complete grading
plans and the schematics on water supplies, etc. , but I would like to see the plans
before they go ahead with it. Was it their idea to design up to a particular point and
then come to us with that recommendation or go ahead and then ask us to hire the
architect?
Councilman Gillum: There were two thoughts on this. There were four
Commissioners present and they were split even. They
asked the Director to give some type of time schedule;
they came up.with the, same questions —when do we bring in the architect? I feel
we should hold a joint, meeting on this because it is involved in an area that we should
make a decision on. I would strongly recommend we hold a. joint meeting as soon as
possible. Mr.. Galster was quite anxious to see some progress.
Mayor Gleckman: Mr.. Aiassa - is there anyway you can find out whether our
holding a meeting with them would hold up their plans -
the first three items scheduled could be handled without
our joint meeting on Item 4 - inno way have them stop whatever they are planning for
Items 1 2, - 3.
Mr. Aiassa: As far as staff is concerned„ I believe they would like to
know that Council has no objection to the time schedule,
doesthis meet with the Council's approval?
Mayor Gleckman: As long as we can meet with them sometime in November.
Councilman Lloyd: I think the question asked is - is this time schedule acceptable
and I think we have indicated the schedule is not acceptable
and we would like to have a meeting with them and that
nothing is to proceed from Item 4 on until we do have that meeting.
Mr. Aiassa,: The reason the time schedule is put in on this basis is to
comply with the extension of time we have to June, 1970.
Mayor Gleckman: Council is aware of that, but we want to make sure this
has to be this way and can't be speeded up, and also we
have to make the determination of how much money is to be
spent on. Galster Park. I would hate, to have them go ahead
on the architect and then_ find they have spent all the available money.
Motion by Councilman Nichols that Council accept the time , schedule as proposed with
the exception that 'a : meeting be scheduled between items 4. and 5, wherein the
Council and Recreation & Parks Commission may meet together and discuss Items 1 - 2 -
.3 - 4 and Items. 5 through 13 be backed spaced on the schedule to such an extension
which 'is necessary to provide for such a meeting. Seconded by Councilman. Lloyd and
carried.
(Mr., Aiassa was requested to try and coordinate a joint meeting between.Council and
the Recreation & Park Commission.)
Councilman. Gillum: Mr. Mayor - I am wondering if Council has any question on
item 4. of the action taken by the Recreation & Park
Commission. If not, then there is no reason to discuss, but
since it was presented to them and directed by Council to look into,. I brought it up to
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RECREATION & PARK COMMISSION --Continued
see if anyone has any question?
Councilman Nichols: Now that you have mentioned this. I really feel this is
totally a matter for preliminary staff work and it probably
would be appropriate if the Council did refer this one item
• back to staff, rather than approve it.
Mayor Gleckman: Any other comments? If not, a motion would be in order to
receive and accept the minutes of the Recreation & Park
Commission with the exception of Items 4 and 5; with Item
4 being rturned to staff for a report back to the Council, and Item 5 deleted from
these minutes because of a prior motion.
So moved by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman
Lloyd and carried. ,
HEARINGS
PROJECT SP-68007 LOCATION: Glendora Avenue, between. South
STREET IMPROVEMENT City Limits and Service Avenue (East) .
PROTEST HEARING ON PROPOSED WORK
1911 ACT (Short Form)
Review Engineer's report. . Hearing of protests and objections to street improvement
of Glendora Avenue from the South City limits to Service Avenue (East) . Set for hearing
• on this date by Resolution.No. 3875.
Mayor Gleckman: Madam City Clerk, do you have the Affidavit of Posting and
Mailing?
City Clerk: Yes.
Motion by Councilman. Gillum, seconded by Councilman. Chappell, and carried, that City
Council receive and,ifile Affidavit of Posting and Mailing.
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(Engineer's Report presented verbally by Mr. Fast, Public Service Director.)
Motion by Councilman. Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that City
Council receive and .file Engineer's report.
THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON PROJECT SP-68007 .
Mayor Gleckman: Madam City Clerk do you have any written protests?
City Clerk: Yes I have one written protest signed by Mary Hotchkiss
and Ardin' -Hotchkiss,1974 Lorencita Avenue. (Read
written protest) .
PUBLIC HEARING
OPPOSED
Art Pizzo I protest this project especially the relocation of the water
1386 Hill Drive line, because as the letter stated I don't think it has
West Covina anything to do with the placing of the gutters and curbs on
the street. The water line is quite aways from it.. The water
line was prior to 1910 which by now is completely deteriorated and needs to be
replaced.; Knowing this the water company is trying to get the property owners to pick
up the tab.
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 Continued
The water company sells the water and therefore they own
the water line and they should replace it. I don't see why the City should act as a
collection agency for the water company, let them collect from the property owners
Ardin Hotchkiss Most of my comments have been presented in the letter to
-1974 Lorencita Council, which was read. I wish to bring out the fact that
West Covina I am not making any request of the City for any type of
OPPOSED improvement as far as my property is concerned. I feel
because of the position of the pipe line it should be part of
the road project and not something that hangs on to the property owner. Furthermore,
as I understand it from one of the engineer's , there is possibly some unlawful use of
an irrigating line for.domestic use. That is only heresy from someone that I think
should know something about it. Consequently a line of this age and advanced
deterioration certainly is not adequate for any domestic drinking water use. I don't
think the property owners should be forced to put in a modern type pressure system
that isn't there in the beginning.. The ones I talked to on staff feel that the cost of
-relocating that line shouldn't be added on to the property owners
Charles Mueller I, too, find I am involved in the cost of the relocation line
'917 South Glendora Ave. and. I too would object. Also if I would be involved in an
West Covina average cost of curbs, gutters and sidewalks for the whole
OPPOSED t area for my frontage I would object also because I have the
curbs, gutters and approach in front of my place.. The
approach was put in about 2 years ago when they built the Department of Employment,
it is part of their approach. I would object to everything except the cost of sidewalks.
HEARING CLOSED. COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
Councilman Gillum:: Mr,Hotchkiss -a couple of questions. You made a state-
ment about the existing water line being in violation of
something if they are using it for domestic purposes?
Mr„ Hotchkiss: I understand there is some question if they are using it for
a water line for domestic purposes.
Councilman Gillum: ; You stated an engineer said this?
Mr. Hotchkiss:: It was in the Engineer's office.
Councilman. Gillum: Do you know who it was ?
Mr. Hotchkiss,: I don't quite know - I talked to 2 or 3 different ones. It
possibly could be Mr. Winters.
Councilman. Gillum:: Thank you. Mr. Fast - are they using this line at the
present time for drinking water?
Mr. Fast:. I have no knowledge as to what they are using the line for.
Mr.Hotchkiss:: Councilman: Gillum - those lines are strictly for irrigating
at the present time. A.s far as I know there are very. few
pieces of property around that are being serviced anymore .
The only one that might possibly be serviced from that line is that section on. Merced
and California where the Christmas trees are. In the past that was serviced from a
line that came up on: that side of Glendora.
Councilman Gillum: My main concern was if there was evidence that it was
being used for drinking water and that is the impression
that I got from your statement that you got from someone in
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 Continued
Mr. Hotchkiss: No, I only mentioned the fact that there was something
about a former irrigating line which was questionable with
regard to it now being used for drinking water.. Now
whether there is any law to that effect, I don't know. It would be something to be
examined, because that was strictly an old irrigating line. Whether it is being used
• for domestic water or not I don't know but if it is going to be property owners should
not be requested to put the line in for domestic purposes.
Councilman Gillum: Thank you. I wanted to get the point cleared up.
Councilman. Chappell: It seemed like in one point of testimony one of our staff
felt they shouldn't have to pay for this pipe line, yet in the
staff recommendation they are making the recommendation
that they do have to .pay for it. This doesn't sound like a normal fashion.
Mayor Gleckman: Mr.. Mueller is only being charged for sidewalks is that
correct?
Mr. Fa st: Yes.
Mayor Gleckman: There seems to be a lot of contention this evening regarding
the water line. Mr. Fast, can you tell me in the past where
we have had a given situation such as this, if the water line
has been one of irrigational type versus domestic use or has that never entered into
a particular problem we have had previously?
Mr.. Fast: I would not be an expert regarding irrigation versus
domestic use. This comes under PUC, but insofar as we are
aware anytime a utility has prior rights, existing prior to
the location of the street itself, it has had to be replaced. The Council previously,
about one and a half. years ago , on the Sunset Avenue project, had to pay for the
lowering of a prior line, also an irrigation line, fully collapsed and rusted, in front
of the city yard. There are several parcels on Glendora Avenue where other individuals
have paid because of the prior rights aspect. So far as the domestic use versus
irrigation, I cannot speak on that.
Councilman Chappell: Are the pipes in service now to your knowledge?
Mr. Fast: To my knowledge - I don't know if they are using it..
Councilman Chappell: If not using it, would that be an abandonment and it would
not have to be replaced?
Mr. Wakefield. Not normally. If the line is there, whether they are using it
or not, doesn't mean they have abandoned their right. It
would still have to be relocated. If they have in fact
abandoned and recorded the fact with the PUC Commission that it is abandoned, then
it would not have to ,be replaced.
Councilman. Nichols: Mr. Fast - could you draw very quickly a cross section of
the street and locate approximately the water line as
related to the diameter of the street and the property line of
the individual properties. (Mr. Zimmerman presented a drawn diagram, and Mr. Fast
explained.) (Mr. Nichols questioned the distance of the pipe from the private property,
Mr. Zimmerman said approximately 20'.)
Councilman Nichols:. This has been a matter that has come up three or four times
in the past years and it has been controversial each time. . I
would like to express again my feeling about .it. As you all
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HEADINGS - SP-•68007 - Continued
know at the outset I have taken the position of opposing the assessment of private
-property for street improvements. where it is a secondary street as opposed to
service roads. The thing that disturbs me here is you have the morale right
under law to say to the property -owner we want to improve this street, you don't have
curbs or gutters and we are going to :put these in and.--a-s this:-i-s--an i-mprovement and
benefit -co -your particular property we are going to charge you. This could .in fact
be done and. he could meet all his obligations under the law without ever touching the
pipe although the engineers say - if you don't dower the pipe it wil cause a problS n in
grading, a problem in drainage, etc. , but nonetheless, the -street could in .fact be
unproved and curbs and gutters could be put -in without the line being lowered. But
because the line is there, the City is determined to make it the kind of. street it
should be; the line .must be .lower-ed. Now if there-were--some-other conditions in
that street, a condition of a low pavement, high core, etc, etc. , the City would come
in and .tear out the street and lower it and do the work.. It seems to nee you have put
an extreme extra burden on a property owner -because -so-mebody put a water .line down
the street in 1910 and so the property owner is going to have to pay. I don't see why
the individual property owner should carry the burden for relocation of the water line.
The last time -we discussed thi-s -some years ago the answer was the cost would be
terrific if the City tried to pay for these location-s-of•water lines on,_Sunset, etc.
I just don't think it i-s right. I think it is wrongful to utilize the law to require a pro-
perty owner to --lower the water line.. It is well and good to -say Suburban has prior
rights and Cher-efore the City cannot come in -and lower the line unless --somebody
pays for it. That .may be well and true but it doesn't say in. my judgment that the
property owner has to. I think Mr. Wakefield might even say, although I wouldn't
ask.for his opinion, that this type=of an "appurtenance" might be open to some
question. I would much rather see the City assume the cost of relocating these major
utility lines.
• Councilman -,Lloyd; Mr. Fast - you mean to tell me that there is a very good
chance, 1 - that this line is not used; 2 - that it might be
in such a condition that it is unuseable?
Mr. Fa-st: I haven't .per-sonally seen this line. I have on Sunset and it
was a similar condition, and in that case it was replaced.
Councilman Lloyd: -And we, a-s a•,City, are going to ask these people to put out
$6, 000 plus and. it may never be used?
Mr. Fast: It .is my opinion it will be used.
Councilman Lloyd: I asked you a question - do you think -it is being used now?
(No answer) Has anyone asked Suburban if they are using
that line T.
Mr. Fast< The Engineering staff .has .discussed with. Suburban and they
have asked that it be lowered and paid for by others, so I am
4"uming they are planning on using. it, if they are not already
doing so.
Councilman Lloyd:- I am appalled.. In other words they want it put in -whether. it
is u-sed or not....I realize this is their legal stand - they have
already requested that this be done?
Mr.' Fast:. That is correct.
Councilman... Lloyd.. What if we don't do anything with the street? Or are we
required to do something with that street?
Mr. Fast: It is in the 5 year program of improvements.
Mr..- Aiassa:. We had a similar situation on Sunset Avenue. The line was
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Page Ten
so bad that the -dirt-was holding it together. --We delayed the project for 3 years.
Finally the .School joined in and we replaced it at a cost of $8, 000 to the City. The
dirt was the only .thing holding the line together.
Councilman.Lloyd: WiYl the owners of the present property benefit in anyway by
the putting in of this? We are asking them to pay - will
0. they benefit?
Mr. Fast: I believe that would-•poss.ibl.y be a legal question.
Mr. Wakefield: The property owner _benefits fro.n the..total_.improvement
and in -order .to accomplish the improvements, so..f_-4.r as
his property is concerned, the water line.mast be lowered.
Now in a typical street such as this, the City makes a contribution towards the total
cost of the project and in, this case the City's contribution consists of the pavement
of the street .and. the remaining costs are assessed against the -property owner. The
cost of the relocation of the water ..line is one unit in the cosh of that .total assessment.
Councilman..:L-rloyd: My que-stion is will the-se-,prope.rty=ow•ne-r-s benefit? Do they
get the water ? Can they turn on the faucet, put a cup under
it and dr ink it ?
Mr.., Wakefield: No -they -do .not,get any -benefit from the water as such,
however the utility has a r prior right in the street
for the location of the water line.
Councilman Lloyd: I understand that, My question-wa-s wa-s this --of benefit to
the -se people whom we are po-ssibly going to ask to pay $6, 000
will it do anything for their. property? And itcomes through
to me very clearly that it wi11 not benefit them individually and -we -are. asking them,
because of a legal question, to pay. . I feel -,maybe the burden •should r-e-st with the total
City becau-se the total City :i-s benefacto.r as much as they are. I don't know the
answer., but that i-s- what,: -we are here to determine.
Mr. Fast: ---One other -point of information.. It ins our understanding that
the water eoxx pany intends to convert the u-se of this line for
movement of a large amount of water, which generally up-.
grades the entire area,
Councilman:::Lloyd: ..Fine, if that is so. But .they wouldn't.have-.done it unless
this .had been -done.. In other words these .people or the City
.is being asked to..put in a water line and they benefit from it
to the extent they can then use it for a water line, which is really the contention of
the people that are making .their .presentations this evening.. I don't know what the
function of equity is but in my own mind Lthink there is a justification for those
people sitting here this evening,, . I understand the legal ramifications, but I am
...afraid I stand against it. I don't know the solution.
Councilman Chappell:r Are we being asked to put in a different size line than what is
presently in there T
Mr, :.Zimme.rmane• No.,.,.the line. -going in..is to replace a-16'!_.l.ined._•.In other areas
Along Glendora there is a 12" and in those areas it has been
replaced. with a 12" .
Councilman Gillum-... To the best of your knowledge --Mr.- Fa-st, ,apparently this
situation exi.s.ts .in other. -areas of the City that we intend to
improve,9 or have we just about run across all the old
irrigation water lines?
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HEARINGS - S-P-6-8007 - Continued
Mr. Fast: Sunset and Glendor-a :Avenue come to mind. I don't really
know of any others at the moment.
Mr... Zimmerman: .I think there.-is.one other area on Glendora Avenue, above
the Citrus Bank, in that vacant property there.
• Councilman Gillum: Apparently in the -past -when this has come before :_past
Councils, .this .cost has -been carried by the ,{people involved
in the --improvement. .It is one of the unfortunate things that
we run a-gainst sitting up here - >prior -rights, --which are legal, and..Ithin-�, we have
to recognize if -we are _going to -do -.a jobin the -best interests - but what concerns
me if -we --were to- -see the City--:pi-ck up the cost -for lowering and replacing that line,
how do --we Ju-stify:-thi-s to.:the.peo.ple that -have :paid in -the-:pa-st year-s? Do -we go back
and say the past Councils were wrong and we are now trying to ,justify this wrong?
Councilman Nichols, I think government makes mistakes and.I think those mis-
takes can be corrected. We change tax rates, a-sses.sments
-on--properties - as reference.. So I -wouldn't have any com-
punction:on... seeing --Council change the-appr,o-ach in th-is -area. The--only-real concern
-I have is in another •area that.I think shoo -Id come into this discu-scion. That is, if
Mr.- Smith -who also has -property somewhere - say the unincorporated property. on
Glendora,..Avenue and in-6 months he c-ome-s in, -with -a --plan for---a--shopping center and
the .City would adopt paying for the relocation of the line, then the City would have
to be obligated at the same ttme to pay for lowering the line at the time that
property .is developed. This i.s�--what .I have been thinking-a-nd--thi-s--is Amy approach
to it.. .If a,man comes to the City at his option and decide-s he wants that improvement
in, in order to create a monetary advantage to himself, either to, market his pro-
.perty or create a --business, he is exer-ci:-sing hi-s option .as a citizen and is therefore
deciding when the street is to be improved and I think the extra cost for improving
that street should rest upon him, Whereas in this instance none of the property
owners have .come to the City to ask improvement, this determination is the City's
and ther.efore.I think this extra expense should rest-with.the-citizenry as a whole,
who are surely going .to benefit as much as any of these people, from a water line
that has been in the ground since 1.910,
Councilman Gillum: We supply sidewalks .throughout .the City.through the
General.Fund, which all these -people .have paid their fair
share.for. Now we comae back and --we want to --assess them
between $144 and $1701or their fair share of -a- sidewalk in front -of their hou-se.
Now if we want to be fair and equitable about these things, we have spread the cost
of sidewalks out of the General Fund -but -we are corning. -back -and. widening the street
and we say to these- -people you have -paid.for---sidewalks throughout the City from the
General Fund now we want you to pay for the sidewalks in, front of your. place. How
do we justify that?
Gouncilman Lloyd; I think .there. is: a justification. The--sid&walk.can be
interpretated as of immediate benefit for the .person who
owns the property. He. may not agree but_it is there for
his immediate service. It would -appear from,what.I can see here this line, brand
new, goes in and is of no value to these people here. They do not even know if the
water is p&latible. I am very perturbed over the fact these peopie axe being asked
to pay this.kind of -money to put in..a pipe,. whatever the legal.r.arnifications are, and
on the advice of the City Attorney, I am sure we will all move whether we like it or
not, But..I am in concurrence: with G6uizcil han Nichols at the moment - that it is
one of -.intent, The intent here as far as sidewalks are. concerned.is the service of
of the total community and the normal procedure is to ask those in front of whose
.property it is, to put in the sidewalk. And you and I would face the same situation.
But in this case none of these people will benefit by the installation of .this water pipe.
.If they do - fine, then.let.them pay, but..if they do not then.I think the burden should
rest with all of -the City-, -whether past Councils have been right or wrong.
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HEARINGS - SP-68&007 = --Continued
Co:uncilrnan Gillum: I a t ying to: ake .the point _:Mr put
---s-idew-a:lks in this City out of the General Fund and they all
contribute to --the General Fu-nd., --and-what I am-sa-ying is
now --we c-Dame =bac--k-and w-ant- them- to---pay-$444, fo-rth-e--s-i-dewaA-s in .front of. -their
place. I have always said I -don't believe the. sidewal-ks -should come out of the General
Fund, and if we are going to justify paying for a water line out of the General Fund then
we should pay for the_ sidewa-lks, all the -side lks, out-of-the-Gener°:a4-.Fund,
Councilman Lloyd.: Counci-lman Gillu-m, you-x is�trrder-stofld-raeo 1-can't justify
the City picking up the cost, but I can justify the City paying
more than I can justffy asking the citizens to pick up the cost.
It is the les-sor- of two evils.
Mayor Gleckm-ano - -Am I correct -under the i pr-essi�n, that it--rs impossible
to improve this street without lowering the water line?
Mr, -Z.immerman: Yes, I r; 4r, we u�euld feel the --water line -as it exists
now would be too high. (Explained) There will be a. section
nearly 2' dee:p •which will have to--be--excavated out, _In many
cases this will actually start tearing out some of the water lines as presently located.
Mayor Gleckmana Can you .give..me.-a specific example.-where--_we-•had .this same
situation and the property owners paid for the lowering of the
water line?
/(lOG'NfJ/J
.Mr., .Fast:. The Hartman- Building,the-Sh .. :.{aping _Bag Center,
. Tasty-Fr.eeze,. Er-nployrnent,(Jffice,._the-Sugar Rroperty,
the Dog House, Gulf -Station, V.Y. W. , the -City -at the
Glendora Avenue Bridge when it was built - all have . paid for the lowering of the water
line.
Mayor. Gleckmano Gentlemen - -I agree there is some inequity here, primarily
becau-se--we have-Ia.-private corporation -that--gin-s .the water
lines within the City, they have :the right of way within our
—City and it i-s-::mo-st unfortu-mate:that-thi-s--cam is would- -have to=be -borne-=by-anyone other
than the people benefiting the- rno-st - the private corporation. On the other and you
have -to consider we have many -streets -within the---City-af-,:West Covin-a-where many
people have had to beam , many of the costs that other people in the City use - and no
street and no area within.our City, to my knowledge, is an.area within itself. As I
.stated before regarding the ;19J :Act, it--i•s not a case of --sitting here for 30 years
waiting for somebody to- say - let's develop my property in:o.r.der .to give .the people
the proper streets, I..think.it is --something all the peo:ple..of this community benefit by.
I think it is the obligation .of..the elected officials to go out •and -seek dedication as
well as install the. 19-11 .Act to -give us, the .pro -per circulation, within .the City, and to
-widen these s.tr.eets... if we wait -for the people that do not have the improvernents, to
develope their .property and at -.that time ask them to widen the streets, . we may not
.have .the streets .in.our community improved for .the next 400 years,- as has been done
in the last 100 ye3a.rs. I also feel that these very same people .that probably ,get water
through another line, did not pay directly at .the time to install .that line to their
particular house, When you have water pipes going out .throughout the City, to and from,
surmise we -pay the cost in ou-r water. bill for -lines :.throughout .the -amity.- i-don't know
of any system,. as long as they have prior rights in our City, .to require the private
corporation to pay for the moving of these line.s.. If we.are going to lower and improve
this street we are going to have to share the. cost. If this Council,. as a....policy, would
like to say in this .instance .or `any -particular instance,.: that they would like all -the
people of the City to share in the cost of moving or relocating that line, but where we
have had situations on these very same streets where neighbors have paid to -move the
. water lines, --which they may or may not have benefited from - because the -line they
re-e,cated at -the °time the, street -was- improved ; -may-in -fact-,be- de vering-water to these
very same people., but they did not have to pay for -the cost, but the individual owners
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 - Continued
in front of whose house those lines had to be lowered bore the cost. I don't know of any
adequate way, unless this City would like to spend a couple of hundred thousand dollars
of the taxpayers .money every time they want to improve a street and say to the taxpayers
well'in the past on those streets you travelled to and from to get to your house those indi-
viduals have borne the cost of Improving those streets but in this particular case,
since the City wants to make it better and there will be other people who do not share
in the cost - - that is inadequacy. The only problem see here is the relocation of
the water line. As far as sidewalks are concerned Councilman Gillum you spoke to
-that. The. only sidewalks the City of West' Covina has paid for have been sidewalks in
and around school areas to protect the cbi.ldren of this community and not in the areas
of where sidewalks have been required where there isAmprovement in the street. So
there is a difference in spending money to improve and putting in sidewalks to protect
our children and .putting them in when improving streets in front of people's homes.
I don't know the answer to the relocation of the water pipe, but the cost will have to be
borne . by someone. If this Council desires the. City into pay for it then in my
standards any. one that has paid for it in the past would have a legitimate right to come
back and ask for 'a rebate.
Councilman...Lloydr, While I. appreciate what you..are saying,...I don't think because
an error has been committed that we must continue the error.
With the -advent of new understandings of our social require-
ments and social responsibilities, it.is possible to review each area and the specific
barriers that apply in that specific case. ..I think this is what we are talking about. I
have already expressed myself.
Mayor Gleckman: The only point I make is that it is your opinion that an error
. was made and not something, I said, that an error was
committed .in the past.
Councilman :Lloyd-.. Fine. May.1 ask -the City -Attorney is .there anyway that the
r e spon-s ibility be. laid at the door. of.those that are the bene-
factors, or are we stuck with it and the benefactor need not
pay?
Mr. Wakefield:, The benefactor need no.t..pay..in this. case. The street may not
be.. improved unlessthe line is relocated,
Councilman Chappell: If we were _to..pick, up .the tab on this pipe, line, couldn't other.
people that have paid in the past come back and ask for a refund?
Mr. Wakefield: No,.. I know of no way a refund could be made to those people
who have paid in the past.
Councilman -:Lloyd: _Mr. Wakefield,- do you consider this a unique case or is this
a common situation which we. will as councilmen face in our
tenure of office? ..Are we.. facing a unique situation or a normal
situation?
Mr. Wakefield; I think every City faces the situation where existing water or
utility lines must be replaced in connection with street im-
provements. This .is a common thing. How many such cases
that will. -face the City of -West Covina in the -.future --I cannot say, nor do -..I think the
Engineering Department can state.
Councilman.Lloydo That was an unfair question. The unique quality of this:is that
this_is a line that was being replaced which apparently, from
what has been said this evening, is.of .no value. It doesn't
apparently carry water -or -function in the normal daily routine riving -of our society,
and this in my mind makes it unique and that was the point I was asking you - legally
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 - Continued
does this make -it a unique situation?
Mr. Wakefield- No sir, .it doesn't matter. .from the legal standpoint of the
involved rights, whether it is a transmission dine or a
distribution line.- .In other words it could be a trunk line
that ran down the middle of Glendora Avenue that services some area completely out-
side of the City and the City would. still have the obligation of replacing.
Mayor Gleckmano Could the same application be said of electrical lines or
other lines that run through the City?
Mr. Wakefield-.- Right. The legal application .is the same .
Mayor Gleckman-. In other words, whether it is water, electricity, .gas or
anything, and whether or not it serves the particular people
living on that street, as long as it exists we must replace it?
Mr. Wakefield: That is correct„ The te-st..i-s .the..pr-ior.ity. of..ri.ght that is
involved. . If the utility..has an easement. that existed prior to
the City's road easement then the City must pay for the re-
location.
Mayor Gleckrnana. The only point. I was bringing up, gentlemen - we are not
talking about just this one situation and it was very well put
and.I accept that this happens to be a line that may or may
not fiver. be used, may -or -may not -have direct benefit to the _people diving on this
street, but the same thing would apply to :gas, electricity, telephone, etc, ,
throughout our entire community, and every time we go to improve a street there would
be a utility needing relocation. So....in my estimation this would not be a unique case,
but one we are going to have to judge from .this point on, as we have in the past.
It is the Council's decision to take into consideration whether the City bears the cost
or the. individual does.
Councilman Chappell: We .are dealing with the 191.1 Act, are we dealing with un-
cooperative people in the past, or are we dewing with
dedicated land so that Glendora could be widened and improved?
Mr. Zimmerman.. In .the area of the 191.1.Act the entire, rights -of -way have been
dedicated previously by the property owners. Unfortunately
all the improvements such as sidewalks., curb and gutters,
were not installed at the time of de4icati.on.
Mayor Gleckman: A good point. "Was the dedication made at no cost to t�e City?
Mr. Zimmerman Yes, as far as 1 know there has been no cost.to the City.
Mayor Gleekmana The Council -mus.t accept or deny the protests -made this
evening.
Councilman Nichols: A question of Mr; Zimmerman... -If this street that we are
. talking about relative to the _present location of the. line - let's
say Miche:lle.Street was being widened and the water line
dropped and relative to that type of pavement thickness, or any residential neighborhood
cul de sac - if this were strictly a residential -street a cul .de sac .being widened
would the line need to be lowered in order -to accomplish the widening under that type
of a situation?
Mr. Zimmerman-.!. I believe .it would. Our experience has been when you attempt
to. replace a road, the bulldozers and heavy equ iprnent needed,
if you are within afoot or two of the line you will ,probably
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.HEARINGS - SP-68007 Continued
Mayor Gleckman: __I will entertain a motion to accept -or deny the protests
regarding the relocation of .the water pipe .line as to whether
the. City bore the cost or the property owner bore the cost.
Motion by Councilman Gillum.that the request on the relocation.of .the water lines be
• denied, Motion died for lack of a second,
Motion by Councilman Chappell that the City assume the responsibility for relocating
the water pipe line.. Motion died.for lack .of a second,
Councilman Nichols,.. Mr.. Mayor - a..point .of order.. We have -in front of us a
Resolution if the'Re-solution were voted upon and failed to
carry, would not the. status of this matter really be where
we want it to be?
Mayor Gle-ckman.-: We would..takeup the.matter .of the .Resolution as soon as we
have -the knowledge whether to accept or deny the protest.
I am sure .if we -would accept the protest and it would be
approved then the Resolution would be taken as a matter of business and then denied.
Mr. Wakefield: Ye.s - if you allow the protest then the Resolution could not
be adopted,
Councilman.Nichol s; The point I wanted to make was that, by bringing up an en-
acting on the Resolution.,... -11 it. failed some protests would be
upheld. The. re.aso.n.I didn't second Councilman.Chappell's
motion is because.: l would_Iike to leave the matter tonight.with a degree. of feasibility
to where the Council's action would not irrevocably leave the. City to pay all costs.
There may be some other alternatives.
Mayor . Gleckman: My suggestion, and correct me if -.I am wrong, Mr. Wakefield -
I would entertain a .motion to .hold this over and keep the
hearing held open if you are seeking some recommendation from
the staff rather than set a particular policy, but other than that I see of no way we can
dispose of this matter without taken..g action.
Motion by Councilman..Lloyd -that this..matter be held:over to the next regular meeting
to allow such time for. Councilmen, if they desire, to review the matter so they might
more adequately prepare themselves fora vote, Seconded by Mayor Gleckman
.Councilman Gillum: Do we have to readvertise for a hearing?
Mr. Wakefield: No, you can reopen the hearing and continue until the next
regular :meeting.
Mayor Gleckman: ..Before calling for a vote on the motion,._:I would like to ask
the staff - - do you see any other solution to what the
Councilmen this evening are debating:, or are we gust pro-
longing the agony one way or the other ?
.Mr. •Fast: In my opinion, Mr. Mayor - the City Council has a choice of
assessing the cost to the property owners or assuming the
cost as a City cost.
Mr... Zimmerman:: In my experiences this would be about the only thing, I might
also say there has been a case of double moving of these .lines,
My understanding is prior rights continue to accrue to the
line even after it has been moved. .In the case of the.b.r?dge crossing at Glendora, the
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 Continued
Page Sixteen
Flood Control District moved the line at their expense when it was built,. and at the
time the City. contract widened it in 19-64 the .line -was moved again at City expense,
however the salvage was applied in thatcase, and that I understand is generally
applied. .In one case .it applied to a power line in San Bernardino County, the
salvage value of the line is credited to the..public agency paying _for 'it. ..In other words
the -second moveat the Glendora. Bridge the City was credited with the salvage value
•although some 3 or 4 years ago the Flood Control District put the line in, My under-
standing is that this is uniform statewide practice.
Mayor Gleckman:, Is the cost of .moving the line set out. to -bid or is that an
accepted amount? Does Suburban.Water Company give us
the .price to move the line or -do we put it out to bid to make
sure the line is being moved at a competitive price?
Mr..Aiassa.- Suburban Water Company designs the lines, proposes the
cost, gets the cost to us and we have one choice - either
accept -it or arbitrate with them. May.I give my final
comment? The thing that I think the Council -should be.mos.t concerned about is that
when you do a City cost. of this- type, that you may have others and.I would like to
recommend to Council that you allow the staff to review any other streets that we may
have a similar type of improvement, so when you do make the decision you Will know
it is conclusive and not come back and decide all over again,
Councilman. Nichols;. Mr, Mayor a .thing,like .this is either_ right or wrong. It is
not right or wrong :because. it costs too much.. We should
either pay it or we should not... I would hope that we wouldn't
have a great deal of money to spend in the .future to relocate lines, but if I felt in
•truth .it was .the City`s obligation, the cost would not matter.
Mayor Gleckman; If you would permit me., .I would remove .my second of your
motion,- Councilman, Lloyd, if you would drop your original
motion, because .I don't, see any solution to this particular
situation.
Councilman Lloyd: My motion merely carries it across to another time.
Mayor Gleckman;. Alright any further discussion to hold over until our next
meeting? Roll call vote please.
. Motion .failed on.roll call vote as follows:
AYES::. Councilman Lloyd
NOES: Councilmen Chappell, .Nichols, . Gillum,- Mayor -Gleckman
.Mayor, Gleckman; I will entertain a..motion to either accept or deny the objections,
both written and oral, regarding the: relocation of the water pipe
.line as to whether the property owner shall pay for the
relocation of the water pipeor the- City.
Motion by Councilman. Chappell that .the City.. pay for relocating the water pipe line.
Seconded by Councilman Nichols,
W_ouncilman _Irlvy4d-..,. I would point out to the people that have just made the motion
while I. am..morally absolutely in consonance with what they are
trying to do., .I think the City Manager pointed out an area, and
this is the reason) wanted the time to -look-into it. 1 I am being --forced into a decision that
is hasty and.I will have to vote against the _motion -as it stands because I don't know what
the precedents are. J did gather from the tenure of the city staff that we are going to
.face this problem again and in view of that f.act.I would have preferred to hold off.
Councilman Chappell.-.. I .am .prepared to vote on this issue everytime it comes up, if
necessary. I think we should call for question.
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HEARINGS - SP-68007 - Continued
Motion failed on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen. Chappell,. Nichols
NOES: : Councilmen Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
ABSENT.-- None
Mayor 'Gleckman.: .L would now e.nter.tain .a rxiotion to deny the protest regarding
the .location of the water pipes,
So moved by Councilman Gillum,.. seconded by Oouncil-
rnan-LAoyd.. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
•.:AYES- Councilmen Gillum,, Lloyd, .-Mayor Gleckman
.NOES-.: Councilman Chappell, Nichols
Mayor Gleckman--_ I will now entertain a motion to accept or -.deny any other
protest or any other part of SP-68007.
..Mr. Wakefield: That is the protest of Mr. .Mueller - .although -he is not
.involved he did bring it up under. oral .protests and we have
to deny it.
Motion by Councilman Gillum .to-deny.the..protest-of;-Mr. '.Mueller. Secpnded by
Councilman .Lloyd. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows: -
AYES: Councilmen.Chappell, Nichols, Gillum, -Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RES.OLUTION.NO. 3893 The City CJerk presented:
ADOPTED "A -RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST .C.OVINA,...INSTRUCTING
T.HE-STRJ�ET:SUPERINTENDENT TO.TAKE-CERTAIN A CTION.- WITH..R ES PE C T TO THE
CONSTRUCTION OF:-.STR:EET..IMPR OVEMENTS AND APPURTENANT ITEMS PUPSUANT
TO'SECTIONS 5870"ET' SEQ..OF THE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS CODE OF THE'STATE
.OF .CALIFORNLA,,AT 831-SOUTH. GLENDORA, 83.5- SOUTH GLENDORA., 841 SOUTH
G'1XNDO t-A.,.. 845 .S.OUTH GLENDOkA, 849. SOUTH GLENDORA, 853 SOUTH GLENDORA,
8fi1 SOU I-i GLENDORA, 917'SOUTH.GLENDORA, .909 SOUTH GLEND.ORA, 905 SOUTH
GLENDOkA.."
Mayor. Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said -Resolution.
Motion b* Councilman Gillum-,. seconded by CouncUm4n..Lloyd., that. City Counpil adopt
said. Resolution, -Motion carriedoh roll call vote as follows:
AYES; Councilmen Gillum, L�oyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES::: Councilmen.,Chappell,, Nichols
ABSENT: None
THE. CHAIR DE:GLARED .A:REC.ES$S,.A,T. 9007 P. M. COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 9:15 PM
. ZONE CHANGE NO. 403 - LOCATION: 913 South Hollenbeck Street
JAM ES E. MYERS., JR..,. b:etween.Alaska and Thackery Streets,
REQUEST..for a zone change from R - A
(residential agricultural) to R - 1 (single
family-residential).for.-Tr act No, 28400 approved by Planning Cone mission
.:R.e solution_No . 2092 .
(Mr. Menard, Planning Director, read Planning. Commis sion.Resolution No. 2092,
and verbally explained with the use of a map; )
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ZONE CHANGE:NO. 403 Continued
Mayor Gleo,kman:. .-•Madain, City-.Glerk ha-s affidavit -of notification been filed?
City Clerk Yes.
.THIS IS THE TIME_AND.PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IN FAVOR
None
IN .OPPgS.ITION
None
HEARING CLOSED.
GO. UNCIL DISCUSSION.
Motion by, Councilman Gillum -that: -Application No. - 403 - James E. Myers, Jr., be
approved for Zone Change from R-A to.R-1, Seconded.by Councilman .Lloyd. Motion
carried on roll call vote as follows
AYES: Councilmen.. Chappell,..Nicho.ls, Gillum,. Lloyd,,:Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
::ABSENT. None
CLOSING AND CUL-DE-SACING LOCATItON:. Eckerman Avenue easterly of
.KCKERMAN".AYVENUE Azusa Avenue.
Mayor Gleckman: Madam City Clerk have the notifications been sent out?
City Clerk -
Yes
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that the
affidavit. of notification be received and filed,
(Mr Me:nard ..:,Planni.ng Director, .briefly summarized this. matter and presented a
map explaining, the proposed plan, location, etc-)
Mayor -Gleckman.- One question. Do we have a signed petition by every property
owner of their -willingness to cul de. -sac Ec%erman?
Mr. Wakefield: It was my understanding that the petition was. signed by all
of the property. owners .facing the cul-de.-sacing.
THIS IS THE .TIME AND PLACE'FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
'IN TF�VOR
.The:odore. W.ig-gins,_. 1833.:%E..Ecker.man .Avenue;. :..Ray Abatta, 1-838 '.E. Eckerman;
-,William Cullfin,.-1.8.39. E. Eckerman Avenue - -all -owners of �pro:perty testified .in
favor- of the cul-de-s.acing of.Eckerman-Avenue,, pointing out the..need for. it because
ofAhe•.traffic hazard,., noise, etc.
Vince_Mattel, . Mr. ,Mayor - I am not_ia? favor of it and.I am not against it.
3 01 South Vincent. I wantto leave it up to the City, whatever they think is best
. Covina is fine with me and my partner, but what I -would like to
know after you decide - who :is going to pay for this?
Mayor Gleckman.- Your question will be answered.
HEARING CLOSED, COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
Councilman. Gillum: Mr. Aiassa - who is going to pay for it?
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Page Nineteen
Mr; :Aiassa: The --staff has broken down the cost and there is going to be
participation by the City and the owner. Mr. Fast - -if you
will present the figures?
(Mr. • Fast, ..Public Ser...vice..Director, presented a map on the board and explained,
• Dollarwise it is about. $4, 000 City and we estimate $3, 000 for. the wall, paving and
perhaps a connecting .sidewalk. )
Councilman .Gillum. The individual who :is request ing the Precise Plan is
aware. that he will pay this condition of approval?
Mr. Menar•d: This was regiuir.ed by the -,.Planning Commission as a condi-
tion of approval of `the ..Precise. Plan that .the applicant
actively pursue the. closing of the .street as a condition of
approval of .that type of facility onthat site.. Many of the improvements are required
with or without the cul de sacing such as the concrete wall - that is a requirement of
the zone.
Mayor Gleckman. Give me the costs again excluding the. normal improvements
he would pay for anyway?
Mr. Fast: There`is about. $800 for a .wall which would be there anyway
and s ome. of the paving would go in; of the $3, 000 calculated
.for the, closing of the street, this amount is not. indicative
of the additional cost, I would say about half would be involved in the closing itself,
Councilman Gillum:. Mr. Fast - the southerly par.t.of..the cul de sac the applicant
•
is .paying for that - correct?
Mr. �Fasto Yes„
Councilman Gillum: And the blue shown on the map, the City is paying for that?
Mr. Fast: If. we construct in total at this time,
Councilman Gillum: Are we planning to do so?
Mr. Fast.- Mr. .Gillum,_ I don't know .the status of the development to the
north. I believe we would come back with a recommendation,
assuming this.is still residential.
(Mr. Menard explained the use of the land at present and the vacant land; ultimately all
land in this area would come under commercial development and probably in the near
future it may become a condition of- Precise. Plan approval that this either be paid for
by the applicant as he develops or reimburse the City for it, if that is to be the policy
of the City. ..It is a possibility.)
Councilman Gillum.: To the e:ast..the, _City is going to assume the full cost?
(Answer: Yes)
To the West the applicant is going to assume it? (Answer: Yes)
And because .there :is .no development to the top portion the. City is going to assume that
cost?
Mr. Fast; Or..that could be left awaiting development, I believe the staff
would want this wall in to complete the screening of this
residential street.
Mayor Gleckman:_ Iwould be willing to go along with that - that the condition
that the rest of that cul de sacing be -put in whenever that
other parcel. is developed. I can't see requiring it just
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because the man on one side wants to develop and the .other .man is not ready that we
should give him a .free ride,
Councilman. Nichols: Can "this type of thing become al obligation on the property?
-Can this Council take such action to cause the northwest to
become developed and the .other to become a charge whenever
'it comes in for development?.
Mr.. Wakefield- Yes. If and when the property is developed the City can
require that he -reimburse the City for developing..
Councilman Chappell;- When the original petition was brought in there was a man in
:.Europe . is he back, and has he signed?
(Answer: Yes)
Mr.. Aias saa If...I may - the City Attorney acknowledged some information
to Mr. Nichols, If we put in the second half of that cul de
sac, that we can legally charge the person who develops that
property with the physical conditions of the .improvements put on by the City?
Mr. Wakefield:_. Yes,it can be a condition of approval of the..:Precise. Plan, that
he reimburse the City.
Mayor Gleckman.-_ . In other words we .can go aheadw.ith..that.improvement with the
idea that at anytime .the property is developed, the developer
will pay his fair- share?
• Mr. Wakefield: Yes sir.
Mayor`Gieckman> I w.antAo make sure,_ otherwise-1 would say it would be unfair
to put in a half of a cul de sac because you are putting it in for
the property owners benefit primarily and they in turn are
having the cul de sac .put._in where. -property couldn't .get to whether it was completed on
this: side or not,. so I want to make sore we are not asking the developer to share a cost
that his neighbor, would not have too,
Mr. Wakefield-. No , 'It can be done,
Motion by Councilman,.Nichols that City Council approve the recommendatiop for the
improvement and cul de sacing. of ,Eckerman. Avenue according to Exhibit A on the
board, and that such. improvement would. involve the. City of --West .Covina assuming the
cost of the improvement of the two easterly quadrants and the..northwesterly quadrant
shall be.. installed at..the expense. of the City, to be.reimbursed at :the .time of the
'development of the property adjacent thereto and the. southwesterly quarter to be
developed at thetime the. Precise:Plan.. is developed;: aid that the City Attorney be
directed to -prepare the proper"Resolution, :- -Se corded .by.CouncilmaTi Lloyd,
Mayor Gleckmana This is all to be built at the same time and not piecemeal?
Mr:. "Wakefield.. Yes,
• Motion.carried on roll call vote, as follows-:
AYES° - Councilmen Chappell,, Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd,. -Mayor Gleckman
NOES: . None
ABSENT: None
FIRE .ZONE MAP ADO)PT:IO.N _
Revision .of:.Section 8111 .of the Municipal Code regarding, -fire zones and the adpption ,of
a: Fire Zone Map for the City .of West;Covina,
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FIRE ZONE .MAP ADOPTION - Continued
Mayor Gleckman- You have a report in front of you from .William:Fowler,
Building& Safety Director. -Mr. Aiassa, do you have any-
thing to add to the report? (Answer- No.) Does Council
require any explanation by staff? (None)
THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING;FIRE ZONE
MAP
IN FAVOR
None
IN -OPPOSITION
None
"HEARING CLOSED, . COUNCIL , DISCUSSION
o
..Motion by. Councilman Lloyd,. seconded by, Councilman Gillum, . and carried that the Fire
Zone Map revision, Section 8111 of the West Covina:Municipal Code regarding fire zones
be approved as submitted,
ORDINANCE The City Attorney presented -
INTRODUCTION "AN ORDINANCE ;OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, AMENDING
SECTION .8111 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE
REGARDING FIRE, ZONES AND:ADOPTION OF
Af,FIRE ZONE MAP,"
. Mot -ion by Councilman; Chappell,. seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried,. that City
Council waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance.
Motion by,Councilman.N?chols,, seconded by Councilman Chappell, that the
City Council introduce said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES- Councilmen 'Chappell, Nichols, . Gillum, Lloyd, MayorGleckman
NOES- None
ABSENT- none
AMENDMENT NO..93 REQUEST for a proposed amendment to
CITY INITIATED Section 19222. 17.of the Zoning ordinance re.-
garding sign regulations approved by Planning
Commis sion,R.esolution No. 2094.
(Mr. Menard, . Planning Director, verbally presented PI anning Commission Resolution
No. 20940 )
THIS 1LS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING,
IN FAVOR
None
• IN OPPOSITION
None
HEARING CLOSED,. COUNCIL DISCUSSION,
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that City
Council approve Amendment No. 93 amending Section 92220 17 of the Zoning -Ordinance
regarding s-i�gn regulations for use granted under a Variance or Unclassified Use -Permit.
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
a) Mrs..Jack R. Leman re, -Auditorium need
Motion by Councilman Nichols that City Council receive and file the letter from
Mrs. Jack_ R . Leman and direct that a letter of acknowledgement be sent to the
correspondent under the signature of the Mayor speaking for the City Council.
Motion seconded by,Councilman Chappell, and carried,
b) Civic Center -'Authority re, dedication of: Civic Center -
Motion by Councilman. Gillum,. seconded by Councilman. Chappell, .and carried, .that
this item be referred to staff.
c) .League of Women Voters re. Proposition A
Motion by Councilman. Nichols, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, that
City, -Council refer this Item to Item No, 1 on the Mayor's agenda,
d) Zoning Service Company regarding Zone Change 402
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried., that this
Item be referred to the City Attorney agenda, .Item 21.
e) First Church of Christ, ;Scientist re, use of Banners
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by. Councilman. Gillum, and carried, that City
Council refer this item to staff,
• CITY ATTORNEY
ORDINANCE The .City Attorney presented:
INTRODUCTION "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COV-INA, :AMENDING THE
WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE SO AS TO
REZONE CERTAIN.PREMI"SES, (Zone.Change
No..401 - City of West Covina)"
Motion by,Councilman Nichols,, seconded by. Councilman Gillum, and carried, that City
Council waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance,
Motion by Councilman Gillum,, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that City
Council introduce said .Ordinance.
ORDINANCE The City Attorney presented:
INTRODUCTION "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE .CITY OF WEST COVINA, ADDING A
CHAPTER 6 TO ARTICLE TOF THE WEST COVINA
MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE CITY OF -WEST COVIN2
ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES FOR THE REMOVAL OF OVERHEAD
.FACILITIES AND UNDERGROUND CONVERSION. "
Motion by Councilman Gillum,, seconded by Councilman Chappell,and carried, that. City
Council waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance,
Motion by Councilman .Gillum, seconded by Councilman., Lloyd., that. City Council
introduce said Ordinance.
Councilman Gillum: Mr. Aiassa - this Ordinance, I assume it has been discussed
with the Edison Company?
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ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION - Continued
Mr,.,Aiassa: Yes, we have a confirmation from_Edison. Company, and
we have Mr DeSimone present, if there are any questions?
Motion carried,
ORDINANCE NO.. 1057 The: City.Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE .CITY OF WEST COVINA, AMENDING
SECTIONS 4108 and 4109 OF, AND .ADDING
'SECTIONS 4109.2 and 4109.3 TO THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE PROHIBITING
UNREASONABLE, LOITERING AND INTERFERENCE WITH.TRAVEL UPON PUBLIC WAYS.
Motion by Councilman iGillum, . seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that Council
waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance,
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, that. City Council adopt
said Ordinance. • Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell,. Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman.
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
=OR'DINANCE NO.. 1058 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL .OF
THE. CITY OF WEST COVINA, AMENDING
THE .WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL .CODE SO
REZONE CERTAIN PREMISES ;(Zone Change. No. 400 - City Initiated). "
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, that: City
Council waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance.
...Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by_,Councilman. Chappell,. that. City Council
adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen, Chappell, .Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ORDINANCE NO. 1.059 The. City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE .CITY OF WEST COVINA, REPEALING
PAR T II OF ARTICLE IX AND ADDING . A
NEW .PART II TO ARTICLE IX, THEREBY ESTABLISHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COMMERCIAL (N-C)ZONE AND TRANSFERRING ALL PR-OPERTY IN THE .C_F ZONE
TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL .(N-C) ZONE. (Amendment 89)"
Motion by Councilman Gillum seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that Council
waive further reading of the body of said. Ordinance.
Motion by -;Councilman Lloyd, seconded--by--,Councilrnan:Chappell, that -the -City Council
adept-sa:id..Orda:nance.. Motion carried on roll call vote as_follows.-
AYES: Councilmen Chappell, Nichols, Gillum,. Lloyd,. Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
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ORDINANCE NO_106.0 The..Gity...Attorney.presented-
'!AN ..ORDINANCE..OF. THE ,CITY COUNCIL
ADOPTED OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, . AMENDING
SECTION 9215 OF THE MUNICIPAL.CODE
BY ADDING., SUB- PARAGRAPH (M) THERETO RELATING TO SIGNS, IN THE PUBLIC
BUILDING: ZONE (P-B ZONE.) 'Amendment 90"
Motion by Councilman. Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, that
City Conncil waive further reading of the body of said .Ordinance
Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman. Chappell, that, City- Council
adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows -
AYES: Councilmen .Chappell, . Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES- None
ABSENT- None
ORDINANCE NO., 1061 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
.OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA,
REPEALING SECTION 9217. 20 I.OF THE
WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE AND .ADDING A NEW SECTION 9217. 2. 1
THERETO RELATING TO AREA DISTRICT IA," (Amendment 92)
.Motion by Councilman. Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, that
City.Council waive further reading of the body of said Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd,. seconded by Councilman Gillum, . that City Council
adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows.-
• AYES: .Councilmen:.Chappell,. Nichols,. Gillum, .Lloyd,.. Mayor. Gleckman
NOES- None
ABSENT. None
RE�O.LUTION NO, 3895 The.City Attorney presented.
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE. CITY OF WEST COVINA,
DENYING A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF
OF ZONE, (Zone Change 398 .- Tic Toc
Markets, . Inc, )"
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said Resolution,
Motion by Councilman Gillum,. seconded by Councilman Lloyd,. that City Council adopt
said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen ..Chappell, .Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, .Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
• RESOLUTION NO,, 3896 The City Attorney presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
ADOPTED .OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA,
DENYING A REQUEST FOR A. CHANGE OF
ZONE (Zone Application 402 - Gottlieb -Sugar Investment Company)"
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading ,of the body
of said. Resolution.
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Page Twenty-five
RESOLUTION NO. 3896 --Continued
Motion by Councilman' Nichols, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, that City Conncil
adopt said, Resolution.
Councilman Gillum: We have been asked to refer to the City Manager, and now
we see a letter from Zoning .Service: Company, and I.am
wondering what the connection.is - it seems it is on the agenda in two places.
Councilman Nichols: When I saw it before I thought there was some special
reason, .but I understand it was because it comes up
under . City Manager's agenda. As 'I understand the request, it is to 'in effect
change our position .of last week, , My own vote was based on the feeling that the
zoning as it exists was proper and correct and I don't propose to change any part of
it. I am prepared to vote as I did last week.
Councilman. Gillum: J support you in that statement,, Mr. Nichols.
Motion. carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell,, Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: . None
. ...ABSENT: -None
RESOLUTION NO..3897 The. City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED ''A RESOLUTION .OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY. OF WEST.COVINA,
SUPPORTING LEGISLATION INCREASING
PENALTIES FOR ASSAULTING'POLICEMEN."
• Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections,, waive further reading of the body of
said. Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, - seconded by Councilman Lloyd, that City Council
adopt said Resolution. Motion .carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen. -Chappell, -Nichols,*. Gillum, Lloyd,. Mayor Gleckman
NOES: :None
ABSENT: None
'SEVENTH DAY.ADVENTIST CHURCH - Request
Mayor Gleckman: With the: Council's permission I would ask thab this written
. communication be added to the agenda tonight. And if there
are no objections) would to take it up at this time. (No objections.) Thisactually
wasaddressed to myself and the request for it to be added to the agendawas from the
City Clerk. It has to do with the discussion we had at our last meeting regarding the
campaign of the - -Seventh. Day Adventist Church to take up a collection. Someplace
along the line evidently our communication did not get to them.because they are asking
us for something.in addition. We gave them permission to hold the fund raising but
limited it to 6 p.m. Now I have the request for the use of a sound truck from
December 25 to December 31 from 6:30 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. Any discussion by Council?
iCouncilman Gillum:. I noticed Mr. Mayor that in the original request dated
October 16th :,.the request which we acted upon,apparently
our City Clerk wrote a letter October 25th reminding them they had requested this
last year and received permission to use the sound equipment. Is this correct?
City. Clerk: This was a new minister and his first letter did not include
what they intended, they wanted what they had previously.
Mayor Gleckman: And last year they had a sound truck to raise funds for 30 days?
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Page Twenty-six
SEVENTH -DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH Request - Continued
City Clerk: They.went around with a.sound truck .and sang carols -
Christmas .carols. He did not include all of this in his
original request and so they would be sure to know it was not included I called it to
their attention.
Councilman :Lloyd: :Mr. Mayor it appears precedent has been set, barring
any objection by Council,. I would go along with it,
Mayor Gleckman: Are you aware this request is from 6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p. m.
and we last week limited them to 6 p. m. Do you want to
change our decision from last week?
Councilman Lloyd: If that is what they want and in view of the fact they
lhave done it in the past I would be in favor of making that
change.
Councilman Gillum: In their .original request they asked from 5 to 9 and then we
said no, we would let you do it until 6 p.m., and now they
come back and request 6:30 to 8:30,
Councilman Nichols: What was the basis of our objection to going beyond the
6 p. mo hour?
Mayor Gleckman: We didn't want them going house to house requesting funds
after daylight hours,
Councilman Nichols: And yet we have not placed any similar r.es.triction. on any
•
other group. If .they come at an offensive hour it is costly
to them. I think their .judgment would be such .that they would come at a reasonable
hour. On reflection I think perhaps my vote was thinking of the citizens of West
Covina but not really necessary. I would be willing to change my position.
Mayor Gleckman: I feel the same way.
Councilman Nichols: But I hope they do stick to carols on that loud speaker.
Councilman Gillum: To the best of my memory last year they did.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd that the Seventh Day Adventist Church of Baldwin Park
be allowed to conduct their in -gathering including carolling and collection of funds
as requested in their letter of October 28, 1968. Seconded by Councilman Nichols,
and carried.
CITY MANAGER-
1. Municipal Swimming ,Pool
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by. Councilman Lloyd, . and carried, that City
Council receive and file staff report on. Municipal Swimming Pool,
• 2. Underground Utilities . Establishment of Committee
Mr. Aiassa: This is the creation of a,Committee and we have listed the
primary functions of the Committee as outlined in the
Ordinance, and we have designated a professional staff to work with the various
utilities. It is recommended that: Council establish this Underground Utilities
Advisory, Committee to be made up of. representatives from the Edison.Company,
General Telephone Company, .City Manager, ,Public Service Director, .City Engineer,
Planning Director or designated representatives.
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UNDERGROUND UTILITIES COMMITTEE - Continued
So moved by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Council, -
man Lloyd, and carried.
3. Attendance of Narcotics Committee at Narcotics Workshop
• Mr,.�.Aiassa: The reason this item is on.the agenda, the Narcotics
Committee does not have funds and any .cost to this
Committee will have to be approved by the Council.
:Motion by Councilman Lloyd, seconded by Councilman -Gillum, that the ..:,
City Council authorize an appropriation not to exceed $20. 00 to cover expenses
incurred at the Narcotics Workshop Session on November 20, 1968, Motion
carried.on roll call vote as follows:
A YES:. Councilman Chappell, N ichols, . Gillum, . Lloyd, . Mayor Gle ckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
4, West Covina Historical Records Societ
Councilman Nichols: I would like to commend the City Manager on this item.
Who ever gave birth to this should be .commended,
Mr. Aiassa: Ray Windsor,
Councilman Nichols: I think our :City is at a level of maturity where this type
• of thingshould be encouraged.
Motion by Councilman Lloyd that .the --City Council appropriate the sum of $250. 00
which will permit financing the cost of reproducing pictures, photographs, etc, , in
order to continue the historical records of the City of-We-st. Covina. and that a
Council representative be appointed, Motion seconded by Councilman Chappell.
Councimman Gillum: I think it i-s a very fine idea - I was in ,the office the day the
man brought in the pictures. And basically it was his idea
to start this program, so I think we have to give some recognition to Frank W,agrier,
Motion carried on roll .call vote as follows:
AYES: .Councilmen Chappell,. Nichols,. Gillum, .Lloyd,. Mayor Gleckman
NOES ..None
ABSENT: None
Mayor Gleckman: I,would appoint Councilman. Nichols to serve on this. Committee
as Council liaison.
5... Sister City, Financial Statement
•.Motion by. Councilman .Lloyd, seconded .by Councilman, Chappell, .that the funding of..
. -$227. 20 be given to the West_Covina.Sister: City Foundation for expenses incur -red.
Motion. carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: .Councilm-en Chappell, Gillum, Nichols, Lloyd,, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
6. Civic Center Parking Lot Lease Agreement with Los Angeles County
Mr, Aiassa: This is informational only - you have already, authorized
the. lease. I would like you to know that we are now accepting
the lease and agreement for our files,
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CITY MANAGER - Continued
7, Negotiation. of 1.969 Car Lease Agreement
Mr.e...Aiassa: There is one correction with regard to the automobile
lease. It was not 3.5 but 6.5 and we are now
negotiating for the 1969 lease and we will bring it back to Council at the
November 25th meeting,
8. Telephone Numbering. System for: Civic Center. Facilities
Councilman Nichols: Mr, Mayor I would like to discuss this item. It was
my understanding thtLt one of the great assets we were to
achieve in going to our new City. Hall was to be able to tie all of our corm-nunity
into a single phone system. . We .talked about our Central Telephone System and the
great expense and somehow.I.had the concept when:we got all through that any
citizen in -West Covina could pick up his phone and call one number and this would
put.him in touch with all of the various city departments. Now I find when it is
all done every citizen still has to call one number for. City.Hall,. one -for-Fire,
one £or_:Police .- s:o what have we gained besides a bigger switchboard and a much
more expensive one ,
Mr.. Aiassa: We 'ha gained b ca a all a om un.ica on are w
centravl�y operated, ormal y t ie pone ca�s iat wi
come in for Police and'File are emergency calls so we left the numbers the same.
The big problem was in the main call numbers 338-1 191 (Explained in. detail how
it will now work;.)
Councilman Nichols: The notion .I had was that all these fire dispatchers,
police dispatchers were going to'be through a central
switchboard and everything would be routed through this one board and anybody
in the City would dial this number and that, switchboard would put them in touch
with the. Fire, or Police Department, etc. Now if. I got that notion someone
in the City did a lousy job of explaining -it to this Councilman as to what,we are going
to get.
Councilman Gillum: Two councilmen!
Councilman Nichols- My understanding was you would .dial one number and
go through that switchboard and that switchboard
operator would put you in touch with the various- Departments,
Mr, Aiassa: There will actually basically be 3 switchboards and
3 operators. -Fire and Police will be manned.24 hours
a ,day,. the City Hall will be closed at night and those calls will fall in.on the
other switchboard. At present-J have four switchboards - Fire,, Police, City Yard
and. City Hall, and'we are going.to end up with three, all in one central location.
One antenna, one master control,. one master supervisor.
Councilman. Gillum: In other words if somebody wants to�call ,City Hall and
ask to talk to the Street Department, do they tell him to
• call another number?
Mr, Aiassa: No, there will be inter -switching of calls,
Councilman Nichols: In fact if I call a City Hall number and I say give me the
Fire Department, what is the operator going to say - you
will have to call another number or. -is she going to give me the -Fire Department. ?
Mr. Aiassa: It depends on whether it is information or emergency. If
it is emergency she will rela--Y to the: Fire Dispatcher.
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CITY MANAGER - Telephone Numbering System - C.ontinued
Councilman, Nichols-, If I call 338-1191 then.. I can't reach the Fire Department?
Mro 'Fast-. Yes, you will be able to reach the Fire Department by calling
338-1191.
• Councilmen Nichols-. In reality then the three operators will function interchangeably.
Mr. Fast-, Yes. They will be rotating on one-half hour shifts and will
perform the same functions and the entire operation will be
much more efficient. . However, from the standpoint of the Fire and Police Department
emergency calls - it is those Department Head's desire that those emergency numbers
stay because they are only for emergencies. In the event we went to the system that you
suggest, whereby you have an emergency call go through the regular system number, there
is a possibility through the rotation 4rstem that normal business calls will keep an
emergency call from going to the dispatcher, and that is the reason for the retaining of
the emergency numbers
Councilman. Nichols-. I can appreciate this but in reality this was not explained or
discussed at all when we talked about this originally. It
wasn't the concept I received
Councilman Gillum-. Wasn't it also explained to us that if I was at home and
wanted to call Mr. Fowler's office I could dial and go right
into Mr. Fowler's office?
Mr, Fast-. That is Centrix and that is Pacific Telephone; it was never in
the program
Mr. Aiassa-, The thing Mr. Nichols is pointing out is that he thought we
would have one uniform number for the entire City Hall and
all departments. (Mr. . Aiassa explained the numbers that would be in effect.)
9. Meetina Dates and Places
Mr. Aiassa-. I think the Council should be present at: the October 30, 1968,
meeting - Planning Commission workshop on the General Plano
It is the first introduction of the General Plan - 6 p.m.
Mayor Gleckman-. Any of the Council that can attend please do so.. This is a
volunteeer situation and if you do intend to attend please
advise the City Manager.
b) First regular meeting in November, will be Tuesday, November 12, 1968 due to
Veteran's Day Holidav on November l lth
(Council acknowledged and concurred.)
c) November 18, 1968 meetina will be held at ? ?
• .After Council discussion, decision to meet at the Coronada School 614 E. Vine St. t o B
West Covina, at 7- 30 p.m.
CITY CLERK
1. ABC APPLICATIONS-,
Motion by Councilman. Lloyd, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that there be
no protest on the 7/11 Market ABC application at 1319 W. Merced.Avenueo'
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CITY CLERK - ABC Applications - Continued
(Mayor Gleckman requested of City Manager, that in the future the requests for ABC
applications be listed separately on the Agenda.)
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, and carried, that
the City Council request the Chief of Police to register a protest with the ABC Commission
• on the request from James and Maribeth Lotito at 642 S. Sunset Avenue.
MAYOR'S REPORTS
RESOLUTION NO. 3898 The City Clerk presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, SUPPORTING
THE PROGRAM OF THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
RAPID TRANSIT DISTRICT ENDORSING THE PROPOSAL FORA HALF -CENT SALES TAX ON
THE NOVEMBER 5TH BALLOT. "
Mayor Gleckman: Hearing no objections, waive further reading of the body of
said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Chappell, that City Council
adopt said Resolution.
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor - several things come to my mind, one is that you
as both the Mayor of this City and serving on the Board of the
Rapid Transit and in that area you serve more than one City - is that correct?
• Mayor Gleckman: Yes, I represent 28 cities in the San Gabriel Valley.
Councilman Lloyd: As a result of that - - if I have my choice I would rather
we skipped this.
Councilman Gillum: I can understand Mr. Lloyd's feeling but we do have a request
from the League of Women Voters stating this proposition has
been supported by others - other cities have taken a stand one way or the other; also the
Chamber of Commerce of West Covina has approved this, and I think we should make some
determination. I moved for the adoption to get it on the floor for discussion. I am only
stating my personal feelings after reading the report and in no way is my observation.' to
reflect on the work you are doing with RTD , Mr. Mayor. But I do feel after reading the
report and talking to a number of people that we do need some type of rapid transit, but
I am not convinced that this can be built for the amount of money that the RTD is asking
for on the ballot and that this whole program can end up as the BART System in
San Francisco, with the asking of additional funds. I feel strongly that this program is
oversold. I am a little tired of hearing that this will cure the unemployment problem, stop
smog, etc. etc. I am not sure that it will even perform as stated in the nice informational
booklet they put out. Therefore, I would have to vote against this resolution and again I
state it is no reflection on your efforts on behalf of the other 28 cities in the East San
Gabriel Valley.
. Mayor Gleckman: Any other comments? Probably before anybody else questions
anything I had better state my position. I was elected to this
position by the 28 cities and I took this position and stated at that time I would represent
them to the Rapid Transit System and not the Rapid Transit System to the 28 cities. I have
had,on several occasions, to discuss the pro's and con°s of the report. I have yet, with
the exception of Councilman Gillum, ever to hear that we could not build the system with
the amount of money we have asked for in Proposition A. The information I have is from
the experts in this field. I am not an expert in this field, so I have to go along with what
the experts say and the -people involved in the bond issue. Probably the top consultants
in the Country. I had an opportunity to go to Cleveland and talk with the experts in the
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transportation field, both public and private. I might also tell you that all over the
United States the cities who do not presently have rapid transit are presently engaged
in or investigating in the fixed rail system which is only a part of the system being
introduced.
• Councilman Gillum alluded to San Francisco BART. BART
did not ask for one-third the money that is being asked for, they did not ask for 10% of
the money being asked for in the two and a half billion dollar issue. . I believe
Assemblyman. Schabarum did a great service for Proposition A by opposing it, because he
came out with some definite reasons why he was against it, and in turn the staff of
Rapid Transit did an excellent job in answering` the assemblyman, but when asked what
he does propose instead of more_buses;: more;.,con-g.esti,ori setc., - and not one single
solitary recommendation that would provide Rapid Transit for Southern California. The
basis of this report you may not agree with, or with several things in the report, but the
experts in the field prepared it. It was not done off the top of anybody's head. Three and
a half million dollars went into the study. And to my knowledge in discussing it with
people across the country, it is as good if not -the .best recommendation to rcorrect
the present transportation snarl that we have in California. It will in no way solve the
traffic situation that we now have or that we will have in the next 5 to 10 years, but
it will alleviate a great deal of the pressure and it will start us on the right road without
any Federal funds whatsoever, - which are available to the Southern California Rapid
Transit District,- if two and a half billion dollars is not enough to help us accomplish
what they presently propose to do. I can only say to you, looking at it from an
objective point of view and as a representative or Director of the system, that in voting
for or against, since it is on the floor in front of this City Council, I vote as an
individual looking at a report and having the opportunity to discuss with the experts both
•the pro's and cons, and in my personal estimation and not as a Director of the System,
b ut as Mayor of the community - an individual councilman elected for the benefit of the
people in and around this City, I still feel Proposition A, if passed, would be of great
benefit to this area and if it fails I can't see that it will in anyway help this community.
For the record I would like to go on record as being in favor of Proposition A because I
feel it will help relieve the traffic situation in and around Southern California - it will
give the relief needed before we get str angled in our own freeway systems.
. I have talked to many people that go to and from on the
freeways, and I am afraid that if the State does not finance a rapid transit in the
painless way they are intending to, that you will have rapid transit and the Federal
Government will control it. I don't think that is necessary and I would rather go on
record for Rapid Transit than against it.
Councilman Gillum: I will not debate the issue with you. I, in good conscience,
cannot support it. I think it will turn out to be the biggest
game ever pulled on the voters of this State.
CouncilmanNichols: Mr. Mayor and Councilman Gillum, I wish along with
Councilman Lloyd, that the matter had never come up. I wish
it had been quietly buried. I am going to vote against the Resolution, but I don't want
to take it as a negative vote. I don't feel confident to recommend to the people how they
should vote on this. I am not one of those that have had the opportunity to digest and
•become as informed about this issue as I should have, consequently I don't want to tell
anyone how to vote on the issue. I am being asked to vote for it under this Resolution
and.I can't do that, nor would I approve a Resolution to vote against this issue. I think
each person has to decide for themselves on this issue, without my assistance, because I
don't feel competent to advise on this matter.
Councilman Lloyd: Mr. Mayor - I think the thing being proposed is archaic, costly
and poorly designed. I looked around and said what are my
options - and I don't have any. People tell me that by experts they were told how good it
was, and in the case of theF-11-1 the experts designed that too and it failed miserably.
On the other hand this is a step in some direct�cjn_and I honestly believe we are required as
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citizens of the land to take a forward step even if we make mistakes. I, therefore,
urge and I vote.
Councilman. Chappell: I just feel that there is definitely a need for Rapid Transit.
I don't know if this is the best but I think it will certainly
•do a lot of good in our community and probably more good in other communities. As
the program develops I certainly am not going to vote to stop at the 89 miles - after that
is completed I certainly would have hopes that West Covina, Ontario,San Bernardino -
would be on the. -..next leg and until we get the first step, we will certainly not get the
second step, so I would like to call for the question..
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: Councilmen Nichols, Gillum
ABSENT: None
PROCLAMATION
Mayor Gleckman: If there are no objections,. I would proclaim Youth
.Appreciation Week, as requested.
No objections by Council; so proclaimed.
• Mayor Gleckman: I would like to report to Council that I attended the new
YMCA Building in Covina, called the Elliot Building. They
really do have a nice facility. Mrs. Elliot, who put up all the money in honor of her
son who had a desire, prior to his death, to see a YMCA Building built in the San
Gabriel Valley - did a very fine thing in memory of her son. I certainly urge all those
that have a desire - to support the YMCA.
I have an invitation to attend the dinner of the anniversay
of the Republic of Turkey in Beverly Hills. I cannot attend Tuesday night. If any of
the Council would care to represent the City.
I would also like to make an appointment to the Central
Business District Advisory Committee - Mr. Edward Malouf, who has volunteered his
services. (Briefly explained) If there is no objection by Council, I would so appoint.
(No objections)
Councilman Gillum: I have one thing I would like to comment on.. We made the
local TV -this week by having two escaped convicts around in
.our community. It seemed that we responded along with the other surrounding communities
and the FBI; and in conversation with other people from our community and other
communities, I find we had detective cars there without radios and it got difficult for
them to perform their duties by hand signals I just wonder why, when we can spend money
•for certain things in this community, that every year we knock out radios for our
detectives cars We have enlarged our Detective Bureau and added to it but no radios.
I know of one occasion in this City, where a Bank robbery was taking place and a Detective
car was a half a blockaway without a radio and could not be notified. Consequently the
criminals were successful in the robbery and escaped..
I am wondering if we should not again now give serious con-
sideration to appropriating some funds for a very worthwhile project in the Police Department,
the supplying of radios in the Detective cars, so they can at least function as detectives.
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I would like to recommend to Council that we request of
staff a report back promptly on how many detective cars do not have radios and what it
would cost. I would like the support of Council in this request.
Council agreed.
Mayor Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa - will you handle this and report back to us
at our next regular meeting.
Mayor Gleckman: I have one other item to mention. I have a letter from the
Air Force Association requesting that the Mayor be in
attendance at a meeting at Travis . Air Force Base, leaving Van Nuys Airport on
November 8th. Mr. Aiassa - will you please make contact with these people and
find out if the Mayor can't attend, if someone else can? Thank you.
Councilman Chappell: I would like to mention - Mr. Mayor, that I saw you on
television when you were in Mexico. I was wondering why
you weren't wearing the West Covina jacket.
Mayor Gleckman: The Sister City paid us some very great compliments and
hosted the five of us that went from the City of West Covina -
and they also did a tremendous job to all Americans and it is unfortunate that more
Americans can't see Mexico as Mexico is, and not just refer to it as the border town.
•I am speaking as far as the people themselves from the poor to the rich. They were just:
tremendous and most of the foreign countries there felt that this was the "tops" as far
as Olympic performances were concerned. It was really a tremendous things and I
hope some good comes from it - as you know we had many discussions with the people
from Los Angeles and others and I hope we are in the running for the 1976 Oly;m pic Games.
C:
DEMANDS
Motion by Councilman Gillum that City Council approve demands totalling $352,314.59
listed on demand sheets B390 through C611 and C612 with the exception of warrant
number 30-265 in the amount of $16, 669.03, which is to be held until released by the
architect, City Attorney and City Manager, for progress payment on the City Municipal
Pool. This total includes bank transfer in the amount of $90, 000. Seconded by
Councilman Nichols. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Chappell, Nichols, Gillum, Lloyd, Mayor Gleckman
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Lloyd, and carried, that City
Council adjourn at 10: 52 p.m. Next regular meeting November 12, 1968 at 7.30 p.m.
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MAYOR
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