11-27-1967 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINA, . CALIFORNIA
NOVEMBER 27, 1967
The regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Krieger in the
West: Covina City Hall at 7-30 P.M. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by
Councilman Nichols. The invocation was given by Reverend B o . T o . Bauer; of the
Trinity'Lutheran Church
ROLL CALL
Present- Mayor Krieger,. Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, - Gl.eckman (Arrived 8:02)
Absent- Councilman Snyder
Also Present- George Aiassa, City Manager
H o R. Fast, Public Service Director
Owen Menard, Planning Director
George Zimmerman, As s't o . City. En gineer
Lela Preston, City Clerk
.Royal Sorensen, City Attorney
Ray,.Windsor, .Administrative Assistant
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
November 6, 1967 m Approved as corrected -
Councilman Nichols: On. Page 22, the word "antithesis" is improperly
spelled
Mayor Krieger- I would offer the following corrections- Page 7
the statement attributable to me - "eminently
fulfilled" rather than "imminently". Page 12,
the statement: at the top of the page should read G "nobody is not going to accept.'°
Page 28 - the letter from the Sister City Commission was from Mrs. . Gordon and
Mr o _ Dallas Rogers, rather than Mrs. Janecek
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by. Councilman Gillum, and carried, that the
City Council approve the minutes of November 6, 1.967, with the above corrections.
Mayor Krieger then asked Mr. Grant S o Bryan
to step forward. The Mayor presented to Mr. Bryan a Certificate of Appreciation reading
as follows- "Certificate of Appreciation awarded to Grant S a Bryan in recognition .of the
assistance rendered by you as a distinguished citizen of your community in that on
.October 21, 1967, you aided West Covina police officers in the arrest of a narcotics
violator and physically obtained custody of the prisoner. Your action, taken during
circumstances paralleling riot proportions resulted in injury to you.° . Your willing
assistance without regard for your own safety is hereby commended. Awarded this 27th
day of November, 1967. Signed by;- the Chief of Police - Allen.Sil.l, the City'Manager
Geo�rge Aiassa, and myself, as Mayor. "
Mayor Krieger- Mr. Bryan, .l am sure I speak on behalf of the
citizens of the City of West Covina, as well as
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the City. Council in commending you for your actions on this date and for your performance
asa citizen of this community.
e HUNTI:NGTON BEACH FREEWAY
BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE .PRESENTATION
Mayor Krieger, We have the Cochairmen of the Citizens Blue
Ribbon Committee on the Huntington Beach -Free-
way with us this evening - Mr. -Powell and
Mr. Mansell, The chair will now recognize these gentlemen.
(Mr. Powell, Co -Chairman, presented copies of the Committee's report to the Council. )
Mr. - Powell, I will give you a very brief explanation of how the
Committee was organized, how it was structured
and how it arrived at its conclusions. . first:, I
would like to make some important acknowledgements of the tremendous amount of
assistance received from the staff personnel of the City through the persons of Mr..Menard,
Mr. Austin, Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Peacock. .Also we would like to recognize the
assistance and counsel and advice of Councilman Gleckman and City Manager, Mr. Ai.assa,
who were always a�,;,.ai.lable for their consultation and help
The Committee was primarily organized into
• three 'Subcommittee s.., There was the Inter -City SubCommittee whose function was to make
two separate and distinct studies and to make a recommendation thereon.. Their
primary function was to gather all available information concerning the thinking and
decisions, if any, of the cities adjacent both south and north to the City of West Covina.
In the report submitted to you you will find their complete and ultimate report. ..There was
no attempt made on our part whatsoever to arrive at a recommendation and a conclusion
based .in any sense on the thinking of the adjacent cities. .We do feel, however, that our
ultimate recommendations are strengthened by the fact that their- facts and conclusions
are quite compatible with, our own. The second job the Inter -City Subcommittee was
assigned was to .independently discuss and consider the recommendation for or against
the advisability of the Huntington Beach .freeway going through the City of West Covina
The second Subcommittee was the City. Planning
SubComm.ittee and they had two assignments. Their primary one was to ccnsider, all
phases and material relative to the problem of route alignment of 'the -freeway from the
viewpoint of the City "Planning and also to,study the information that was available in a
previous report made by the Chamber of -Commerce of the City of: West Covina, and also
discuss the matter with the representatives of the Division of Highways. Their- second
assignment was the same again - to recommend or not recommend 'that the freeway be
routedthrough the City of West Covina
The third Subcommittee was the Master• Plan
Subcommittee and they had two assignments. . The primary one was to make a
• recommendation on the freeway alignment from the viewpoint of the new nearly. completed
Master Plan being developed by the consulting firm of Williams, - Cook .& Mocine o Their
second assignment again was to make an independent study and recommendation on the
advisability of the freeway going through the City. of West- Covina
In addition to those three Subcommittees -we
constituted a Steering Committee comprised of the Chairman G myself:, (Cochairman
Ed Mansell., the chairman of the Inter -City, Subcommittee Larry, Smith, ; Co-chairman
Bob Corsaro, the chairman of the General Plan Committee Pat Kelly; his Co-chairman
Sid Braucher , the chairman of the Master Plan .Subcommittee - Pete -Whitney, and he
had two co-chairmen James Hamilton and Jobn. Domerowske o . Both of these men
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were. not able to participate because of a schedule conflict:. The rest met at a minimum
of once a week and made an independent study of the entire matter and came up with
their own conclusions and recommendations o There was some cross pollination between.
the Steering Committee and the Subcommittees and vice versa
It: is interesting to note that in the
recommendations, with all these independent considerations, that we were in
complete and total agreement and it was almost completely unanimous in every
respect with the exception of one relatively minor question and that revolves around the
question of the precise alignment of the route from Francisquito Avenue to the southerly
border of the City.
Just one final thing - I would like to point out
to you that these men named as the members of the Steering Committee really deserve
a special recognition because I can assure you that no group has ever been so diligent
holding meetings at leas,: once a week and frequently extra meetings with the staff
members. And also frequently having weekly meetings with the Subcommittees during
the entire - approximately two months of this study. .They were enthusiastic and
assumed tremendous responsibility for the assignments given, to them and everyone did
'their job with an unbelievable amount of object:i.vity,in light of the fact we started oust
with almost an unanimous feeling in opposition to the Freeway and managed two months
later, to come up with a complete reversal of our position.. Also interesting to note
that there were a minimum of four people that we know of who voted in .favor of the
route alignment that we adopted in spite of the fact that they would personally be
adversely affected by that route alignment.
I would .like to turn it over to Mr. Mansell,
who is Co-chairman of the Committee and Chairman of the Steering Committee.
Mr. Mansell- I would like to give you two basic decisions
reached in our Committee. The first one was
relative to a "go" or "no go" situation, As
pointed out when we started out it was certainly unanimous with our entire groups
that we dial not want another Freeway bisecting our City, etc. However, after
studying all the data, the discussions with all the experts in the field, the unanimous
decision of the entire. Committee was that if West Covina is to continue with the
"Headquarters Q.ty" concept, not only will the Huntin.gt.on'Beach Freeway be desirable
but absolutely necessary and we are confident that any citizen that would go into it in
the depth that we did and study all the material available, discuss .with the experts,
etc., that: anyone else would have come to the same decisions we did. .I would like
to read the exact align.ment.for the record.
The Freeway should enter the City from, the South and pass -East of the Easterly
boundaryof the existing commercial zoning at: Amar and Azusa, then parallel Azusa on
:the East ascclose as possible and cross Azusa just north of Azusa and Autumn. Drive
between the existing residential development and the existing commercial property in
the southeast quadrant of Azusa and Francisquito. .North of Francisquito the route
should follow Azusa on the west closely until it must veer west for an interchange
with the Walnut Creek Parkway and then veer further west to interchange with the
'San Bernardino Freeway. North of the Freeway the route,should go no further west than
the westerly property line of the existing commercial development on the west side of
north Azusa. Interchanges should be constructed at Amar, ,Azusa north of Autumn. Drive,
Walnut Creek Parkway, the San Bernardino Freeway and Workman Avenue
We had.orae "more,.item we would like to mention,
it was .th:e_opinion.of the Steering Committee that there were many areas associated
with the impact of the Freeway which the Committee as a whole was not: able to
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consider. This was so because the Committee did not want to delay a recommendation
on alignment because of other factors which need not be answered immediately. .Further,
the Committee was aware of the City°s Planning Consultant's need to move ahead with
• the General Plan, therefore it is the recommendation of the Steering Committee that the
-City appoint the members of the Steering Committee as an Ad -hoc Committee to study
and make recommendations on the associated questions concerning design features,
landscaping, etc. This work to be completed and reported back to the Council no
later than March of 1968.
I would like to add one further thing, that it
was unanimously agreed on the Committee that we do need the Freeway and where it
should go, however it is not going in today or tomorrow and this is the one important
thing - we are not going to run bulldozers down. Azusa Avenue tomorrow, We have to
keep in mind that: this Freeway is ten to fifteen years away. This was the
constant theme behind the entire project. So perhaps it would not be popular with
the citizens today to put the Freeway through but after studying all of the material
there is just no choice that ten to fifteen years from now it is going to be a necessity.
Thank you.
Mayor Krieger:
Mr. Gleckman you served as the Council.
representative to this Committee m are there
any comments you would care to make?
Councilman .Gleckman.: First I apologize for being late this evening.
1 can only say that this reiterates he
Council's feeling and my own feeling
personally, that we have a tremendous amount of talent in our. Community if we would
only make use of it. This particular Committee, with the amount of time they put in
on such a complex problem and an unpopular decision making - regardless of what
decisions they would have come to, deserve a special "thanks" from myself who did
nothing more than introduce the group to each other, and I compliment them on the
job they have achieved and .in their request to continue to serve this community.
.I think that is a credit to this community and this: Council to be able to have a group
of this type willing to continue to serve on complex matters that we ourselves have
constantly sought out citizens to do. I thank them 1--bMh._a'nd.the,, Ste ering Committee
for the excellent job they have done.
Councilman Gillum:
get your report finished? Is this true?
Mr. -Powell. .
I would like to ask a question, if I might
Do .I understand a rumor that your people
wanted to meet Thanksgiving Day so you could
Well this was really not a true story, but I
would not have been at all surprised if it had
been suggested. .This was the attitude.
Councilman Gillum: Well this is what I had in mind and wanted to
bring out. .I would like to add my -"thanks"
along with :Mr.: Gleckman°s for the work the
Committee has put in
Councilman Nichols.
If the Committee had come in with a
recommendation opposing the Freeway I
would have assumed its objectivity, but with
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the recommendation proposing and accepting an alignment of the Freeway in the City
-I can be absolutely certain of the objectivity of the Committee, I haven't had time to
study the report yet but it is obvious a great deal of work has gone into it and I would
•certainly add my."thanks" to the group of citizens who would turn aside personal
interests and serve their community in this way.
,(A man in the audience asked the Council if he might submit a minority report.)
Mayor Krieger- Are you a member of this Committee?
Robert Moss I am a member of the overall committee, I
served on the subcommittee chaired by
Pete Whitney. .I would like to present a
minority report. (Council agreed to accept.)
The first statement I want --to make is that
I disagree that a .Freeway is absolutely essential and the reason 11 put this in was that
we were not: able to get an adequate hearing on. the possibility of Rapid Transit. I
feel a Freeway is a very inefficient way of moving people or goods, but I realize that
the likelihood of having Rapid Transit in the very near future is very slim, however I
do wish to have a statement put on the record that the Freeway .should not be built if
there is any feasible viable.: alternate.
Mayor Krieger- Mr - Moss., your, minority report is on
0 behalf of whom ® in addition to yourself?
Mr. lkbss, Mr., . Duffield.
Mayor Krieger. You and Mr. Duffield are the only two join-
ing in this minority report?
Mr � Moss- Yes - that is all I was able to contact in the
relatively short time available.
Mayor Krieger° Of course the Council will, receive your
minority report together with the majority
report as presented by Mr.. Powell and
Mr. Mansell and after studying both documents .I am quite sure that if upon invitation
of the council. you are asked to appear you will be pleased to do so.
Mr. -Moss, Very much so. I would also like to give
you. this as supporting documentation on
the Freeway and the necessity for a skilled
and assistance type of approach to planning ® this is by a very well known
internationally recognized authority on this subject.
(Mayor Krieger accepted and asked Mr.s. Prestai to have copies made and distributed to
the Council along with the minority report.)
• Mayor Krieger: This Citizen
s Blue Ribbon ,Committee on the
Huntington Beach. Freeway is one of the
largest committees we have had returning a
report to the City Council. , The other was the General P1an.Committee. We are going
to ask the members of this Committee as well as the Co -Chairmen to return on a
latter date to receive a more tangible expression in the form of resolutions and certifi-
cates from the Council in appreciation of the work that went into this particular
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Committee's function and program, Until.such time, of course, as the Council has had
time to review these documents and refer them to appropriate Boards and Commissions
within the City, no further comments on the substance of the report would be in order.
.But it certainly is in order to recognize the tremendous amount of work devoted to this
study and the amount of talent brought to bear and could only be brought to bear in
these. a.t:izens Blue Ribbon Committees
We appreciate both reports that we received
tonight and will study both with great care. .The ultimate responsibility in this area,
as well as the other areas of the Citizens Blue Ribbon. Committees must be with
the. City Council. .I am sure that neither this Council nor succeeding Councils will
shirk from that ultimate responsibility. .We have had dramatic and tangible evidence
from time to time on those Committees that have completed their work and have sub-
mitted their material, that their studies have been of invaluable assistance and
guidance to the City. Council in arriving at a firm and fair decision on the subject
matter.
Mr. Powell and Mr. Mansell, on be -\half of
the Council I wish to thank you for your co -chairmanship of this most critical
.Committee. .Mr. Moss, for your presence this evenings in presenting the minority
report. .I hope that you gentlemen, together with .the members of your committees,
will return at the invitation of the Council to accept your certificates and resolutions
and the Council will in turn discuss the advisability or desirability of brlrig:ing into
existence as a result of this Committee's work, a Ad -Hoc Committee for- follow-up
• purposes. .Thanks, once again gentlemen.
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS
PROJECT SP-68009 LOCATION. Sunset Avenue, Merced to
STREET IMPROVEMENTS 100 feet -North of: Cameron
Avenue. .Rev.iew Engineer's
report. Approve -Plans and
specifications for street improvements and authorize. City Engineer to call for. bids
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, .seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, that
the City Council approve plans and specifications for City Project-SP 68009 and
authorize the City. Engineer to call for bids.
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RESOLUTION 3698 LOCATION. Southwesterly Corner of
ACCEPTING GRANT OF EASEMENT StateStreet and Glendora
FRED STEIN & MIRIAM STEIN Avenue
The City; Clerk presented..
ADOPTED " . A RESOLUTION OF THE . CITY. COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA ACCEPTING
CERTAIN WRITTEN INSTRUMENT AND
DIRECTING THE RECORDATION THEREOF. "
Mayor Krieger. Hearing no objections, waive further
reading of the body of said Resolution,
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS Continued
RESOLUTION 3698 Continued
Motion by Councilman .Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the City
Council adopt said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as. follows-
AYES- Councilmen Gillum, iNichols, .Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES- None
ABSENT- Councilman Snyder
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PROJECT TS-68013 LOCATION- Glendora Avenue at State Street.
TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLATION
Review Engineer's report. Approve plans and
specifications for traffic signal installation
Authorize City. Engineer to call for bids
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman .Gillum, and carried, that
the City Council approve the plans and specifications for Project TS-68013 and
authorize the City Engineer to call for bids
RESOLUTION NO, 3699
LOCATION- La Puente Road from Sentous
avenue to Flemington Drive.
ADOPTED . The City Clerk presented,
Mayor Krieger.
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, .CALIFORNIA,
REQUESTING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY. FLOOD
CONTROL DISTRICT OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TO ACCEPT ON BEHALF OF SAID
DISTRICT A TRANSFER AND CONVEYANCE OF
STORM DRAIIT IMPROVEMENTS AND DRAINAGE
SYSTEM `KNOWN-`P:S`STORI ,,DRAIN IN TRACTS
27416 AND 27666, MISCELLANEOUS DRAIN
NO. 201, IN THE CITY OF WEST. COVINA FOR
FUTURE OPERATOR, .MAINTENANCE,; REPAIR
AND IMPROVEMENT THEREOF. "
Hearing no objections, waive further reading
of the body of said -Resolution.
Motion by, Councilman .Gillum, . seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that the City
Council adopt said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call, vote as follows;
.AYES. Councilmen Gillum,
NOES- None
ABSENT- Councilman. Snyder
9 SCHEDULED MATTERS
BIDS
PROJECT SP-68008
STREET IMPROVEMENT
Nichols, ,Gleckman, ,Mayor- Krieger
LOCATION- . Puente Avenue between Nora
Avenue and Sunset Avenue.
Bids were received in the office of the City
Clerk at 10. 00 A. M o on Wednesday, . November 22 1967
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SCHEDULED MATTERS y BIDS - Continued
PROJECT SP-68008 - Continued
• Aman Bros. Inc.
Fred Weiss
Griffith Company
Louis S . Lopez
Vernon Paving Company
Sully Miller Construction .Co.
Laird Paving Company
Highway Heating,,. In.c e.,
Gadtan Constructbn Co.
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A total of 9 bids received and reviewed, All
bids were checked for errors and determined
to be valid bid proposals
$21,972.45
$22,761064
$23,307.49
$23,413.80
$23,84520
$24,920.80
$26,046.68
$26,791.80
$27,310,70
Motion by Councilman Gleckman., seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the City
Council accept: the low unit price bid of Aman Bros. Inc. , fcr the work under Project
SP-68008, and authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute contract agreement,
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, .. _
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Mayor Krieger
ABSENT: Councilman. Snyder
• Mayor .Krieger.: For the record let my abstention
indicate that Aman Bros. has been a client
of mine in times past, and consistent with
my past action on the Council I have abstained on voting on contracts awarding
bids to clients or former clients.
ZONE .CHANGE NO. 382
DRo .JOHN.. GOO:DNO, et: al.
Mayor 'Krieger:
Mrs. Preston,. City, Clerk:
LOCATION: 1900 block of Merced Avenue
Request to reclassify from Zone R=A to
Zone R-P denied by Planning Commission
Resolution No. 1992. Appealed by
applicant on November 6, 1967.
Mrs. Preston, do you have the affidavits
of publication and mailing?
Yes, .I do.
.Moti.on by.Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
-Council receive and file the affidavits of publication and mailing.
MR. MENAR.D, PLANNING DIRECTOR, READ THE 'PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION
• NO. 1992.
.Mayor Krieger.: Mr. Menard, is that: the Resolution in full?
Mr..Menard, Planning Director: Yes it is
MAYOR KRIEGER THEN STATED THAT THIS WAS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC
HEARING ON ZONE .CHANGE NO. 382, AND EXPLAINED THE _PROCEDURE OF A PUBLIC
HEARING ITEM
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IN FAVOR
Francis Garvey, Attorney We are concerned this evening with
.281. E . Workman approximately 2 acres .of land located
Covina southerly of Sunkist Avenue, westerly of
Sunset Avenue and Orange, abutting
partially on a wash in the rear of the property with residential immediately to its
--west, with a street across .its northerly, frontage and a half street along the easterly
frontage. -Immediately to the north .is single family resident.i.al, immediately to the
wes't-.i.s single family residential, immediately to the east is ::a_ Temple
which occupies the premises by virtue of an unclassified use permit.
I represent a group of approximately twelve
doctors, the purchasers of this property in escrow, subject to this rezoning o There is
at: the present: time pending before the Planning Commission, a precise plan on the
property which is being held for further adjustments and the outcome of this hearing.
It: is the purpose of these gentlemen to cooperatively build a medical building to be
occupied by them for their own suites. It will be used, not withstanding the
multifarious uses which will be available under the zoning sought,. strictly for the
offices of physicians, dentists and allied health professions
The property at the present time constitutes
a natural property for a change of zone .in that a street has been held to be a proper
place to make a change of zone,, a rear property line has been held as a proper place
• to make a change of zone and a natural barrier such as the improved wash which runs
at the end of the property .is also a proper place for a change of: zone. ,.The Temple
which is next to it and would be permitted in any zone by unclassified use permit
and therefore it neither affects adversely or favorably this application, except that
it: would not: be an uncompatible use. Similarly the R-P is compatible historically
in the City of West. Covina with abutting residential and in various places throughout
the. City it may be found as a buffer zone or a buffer use. At the time the Planning
Commission considered this matter it was pointed out: to them by the staff from the
Data Bank that you presently have 50 acres of R-P zoning. It indicated that only 9
-acres were conforming uses and 22 acres are non -conforming uses. .A typical
example being the Scoa parking lot because R-P again in West. Covina has been
alert to heavy commerical uses for the purpose of providing -.;'! additional parking
.And there are 27 acres vacant but there are 32 acres of-R-P existing in other zones
It would almost appear, that: the existing R-P is not in the right places. It was
further pointed out that there are 10 acres of RGP within one mile of the subject
property. Now this is true but let's take a look. We have Mr.-Hurst`s piece of property
across from the hospital, containing approximately 3.25 acres. .This is not on the
market for selling., it is on the market for lease and development as a land. lease
situation. It is therefore available only at the time Mr. Hurst wants to develop the
:land and is not available to this group. .Across the street from the Hurst property is
3 � 49 acres owned by Mrs —Britt .Bri.tt and presently owned by the 'Roos Loos Clinic and is
intended to be developed by them, although this 3.49 acres would appear in the land
use .inventory it is actually not available for anyone else other than the Roos -Loos
Group and of which these doctors are not a part,
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Now the other parcels which are scattered
around in this one mile area are small-fract:i.onal parcels. Along Walnut- Creek `Parkway
there .is o.59 hundreds of an acre which is too small to develop a medical center for
twelve doctors. Doctors ordinarily today require a maximum of about .1000 sq o .ft. of
space and some go as high as 1400 to 1800. ,Along Glendora near Barbara Avenue norl,h
of aline there`is a piece of property owned by Leonard Jones. It contains more than one
acre but: part of this is presently zoned to service station use and the balance has
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recently been sold in escrow and the remaining balance is nine -tenths of an acre and
again .is not suitable for the development of a facility- of this size. Along Glendora
at about Wescove there is o59 hundreds of an acre again, too small of a piece. Along
Merced, west: of Glendora there is a piece of property which is owned by the City,
. which is about a half acre in size and is presently being .held off the market and
again is too small a piece of property,
.So your, land use inventory of R-P in this
area .is actually not so extensive or the sizes so available as for mere quantity
alone to cause the denial of this application The property is large enough in size
to permit its development to take care of the full amount of suites and provide excess
parking over and above the limits required under the present City. Code. Merced is
a street with an increasing amount: of traffic on it, close by is located the Edgewood
High School and the headquarters of the West Covina, School District: and also a park
Traffic would not :be necessarily increased by granting this property :R"P zoning, so it
could be properly developed for use by these doctors
There is nothing incompatible with
residential zoning abutting this use. .The area of influence of the -Queen of the Valley
Hospital which is approximately one-half to three -fourths of a mile from the subject
site, indicates this is a growing center of the health professions in the City. This
would provide additional doctors, notwithstanding the number- of dentists and doctors
we have in the City at: the present time. ,.With the continued growth in the Valley
we are going to need more and more doctors and dentists. .For example - the present
national average .for dentists is one per 1900 people. The ratio of dentists to people
i.n .California is something like one to 21,50 people. So there is an under -staffing of
dentists even in. Southern California and within this area.. It -is true and the argument
may be made - that these dentists and doctors presently occupy office space, they are
not doctors coming in - they are doctors in the community that want to operate together
as a group and this .will leave a certain amount o•r vacant office space in their present
suites. .The reason they want this property and associate themselves together is
because their present suites do .not fit: their present: needs and there is no room in the
buildings in which they now practice for expansion. Nor is 'there room available on
other floors so far as they are informed.
I submit: that the rezoning of this property
along a secondary highway bounded as :I have described for a use which would be made
available within the next 6 or 7 months is not, incompatible with the present zoning
in the neighborhood and would not adversely affect the land use inventory in the City
and would be a desirable asset to the City which would have no adverse effect on the
health or public welfare and in fact might have'a favorable effect upon the health
if other members of the health service are located there. . Thank you.
IN OPPOSITION
R. W. .Smith (Mr. Smith presented a petition to Mayor Krieger.
1,2.16 So.. Sunkist The Mayor advised that this would be made
West Covina available to the proponents. Mr. Garvey
. declined the offer..)
I live directly behind the property under discussion, and as far as I am concerned
there would be no advantage to spot zoning putting this professional, zoning behind
our houses. It would most d. efinitely,r-educe our property values and when we .bought
some 16 years ago at that time we understood it was zoned for residences and
understand it: is still and I would like to go on record as saying that is the way we
want it to remain.
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Dolores J. Smith I wouldn't care to see this go in because I
12.16 S. Sunkist: have a swimming pool, and that would be a
West Covina high-rise of New York right: behind the house
and an invasion of privacy. The offices
would look into two of my bedrooms and
the kitchen and I don't feel like this is what I would like to live with the rest of my
'life and of course ,I would like to stay where I am.
Robert Milton The proposal to change the property zone
217 S..Sunkist Ave. along Merced from agricultural to professional
West Covina is incongruous with the surrounding
residential area. . Putting a building on this
property would do harm to the homes behind
it in terms of resale and aesthetic °value . Such a building G two or three stories high
is not inconspicious and neither is the present horse stable that is there now, but
what; is needed are homes a that is more in keeping with the harmony of the
surroundings. A professional building stuck on that lot has absolutely no meaning
or relationship to the surroundings. It would be much like a huge plaster cake sitting
high above all, else with disregard to privacy, resale value, ae.§'th�l c'value and
serenity of the people living near it. .Why do we need a medical building? There are
several others on Sunkist. I would guess at least a dozen or so. One medical
building about: a block away from this property is the Maxson Medical Building and
they have offices to rent. There is a big sian up there saying there are offices to
rent. .We don't want a zone change or a spot change. We want it strictly
• residential with homes only.
Most assuredly businessmen are entitled
to a profit but why at the expense of others who also have an investment greater
perhaps than those intent upon this zone change. .I want, and I am certain that
the major part of the property owners in the area: want the zoning to remain strictly
residential and not a prof ess.ional-residential- on.e that will be used as a
commercial venture. Thank you.
.Paul. McCann May I say in connection with this application
1234 So.. Sunkist Ave. before the Council this evening, I appeared
West Covina before the Planning Commission and I have
very little more to say then I said at that
time. .Although I have listened again to the postulation that this was not spot
zon-ing, that the street was a logical place to break the zone change or the property
line was the logical place to change the zone. This is a trifle archaic for the
simple reason that people are living in the backyards now much more than they used
to be, so this is something I think that has to be considered when you are
considering a zone change, when you might say we are going to have a three or
five story building looking down into the backyards or, swimming pools. The front
yards are for trailers and boats and thing's of this sort, but we are doing a great
deal of living on patios and things of this sort .in the backyard and also it is spot
zoning what .is being proposed here.
. The other thing is this - at our hearing
before the --Planning Commission there was some discussion about what exists there
now and also the possibility that maybe we ought to approach this kind of a
application with a special use permit. .And I think the Planning Commission has
this before it: for future discussion. .I think this sort of thing would be opening
"Pandora's Box" and where are you going to stop? I mean actually when you talk
about considering something like this under a special use permit you. are only
trying to condition zoning, this .is exactly what you are trying to do and I don't
think the applicants in general would go for that sort: of thing. -So this is what you
are getting into when you look at. special use permits. In any event just where are
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you going to stop?
The other thing is this ® there were some
. reports 'that we had an opportunity to study wherein it was mentioned that: this was
sort: of a nuisance here, so maybe we ought to give some sort of zoning to abate
the nuisance. This, of course, is something that is a paradoxical, solution., if you
ask men, because it is difficult for me to reconcile giving preferential, zoning to
abate a nuisance when we already have all, the remedies we need. These are some
of the things :1 think should be considered by the Council. 1 have a feeling that
what is being asked here is being done so in. good faith ,"-but.in all fairness to
everyone concerned the community and all and considering property zoning and also
taking into consideration that a block study was made here many years ago which
indicated that this could be subdivided residentially quite economically, 1 ask that
under those conditions the Council will reject this application and turn it down.
Thank you
Glen TeVa It The first consideration 1 have is that this
1215 S o _Sunkist is not a Precise -Plan request. . This is
West Covina merely a zone change, therefore we have
no assurance of what type of structure
will be placed on this property after- the
zone change has been made. Further the Planning. Commission unanimously
disallowed this change in zone and al.t:hough 1 realize it is the right of anyone to
request a hearing before the Council; after the Planning Commission has made its
decision it seems to be routine to bring the matter before the Council and under
these circumstances -1 think by the Council taking a definite stand in support of the
Planning Commission, is a point of considerati.ono At the'Planning Commission
hearing 1 made the statement that there was a possibility of additional traffic
which would be hazardous to the school children, quite numerous in the area due
to the'Orangewood. School as well as Edgewood High. .There are no sidewalks
in this area although .in. rebuttalMro .Garvey stated sidewalkswould be put in
in front of the structure. This,is not the only consideration as there are other,
areas on Merced that do not have sidewalks and would not have this improvement
because of the zone change. Further, Mr. .Garvey` has just stated that: the
forming of a natural barrier for rezoning is due to a street wash and residences
on either side. .What would permit these residences from requesting a zone
change if there was a change in zoning .from their immediate backyard? They
would have the natural barriers also. -Where does this end? ]'would respectfully
request: that: this zone change be denied. Thank you..
Harriet B o . Shriner I live directly across from the property under
1917 W o Merced discussion. It is .in the most deplorable
WestCovinacondition, and has been fora long time
because the owner has never been made to
meet; the standards required by the Code. We have suffered through the dust and
flies and sordid appearance for many years, waiting for the day it would make the
change to R®1 as has been planned for over ten years. Mr. -Stanford, the
City enforcement officer has tried many tames to get the cooperation of the owner
•
but he has been consistently ignored. The Code states there must be'a pasture but
it is nothing but a dust bowl. People ride horses while clouds of dust swirl on
fresh paint. Only 5 horses are allowed for the total acreage but one can count as
high as 9 or 10 and who knows how many are in the barn. He is conducting a
commercial business - boarding, breeding and selling horses. It: is a health hazard
and a total public nuisance. .Why the City has not helped us with this problem is
more than we can understand Conditions are bad and have been bad for a long time.
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The residents are feed up with this nuisance and this is what t:he doctors are banking
on. But: because something is a nuisance is no reason to spot zone. You will
either clean it: up, and bring it up to the Code or you sell it: for the prescribed
R-1 zoning it has been for 1.0 years. The point :is that neither one belongs there
Before our home was built ten years ago; the
builder showed us the proposed planning all around us, the school., the shopping
center, etc., and this acreage as R=-1 o This is why we located here expecting the
Ci.t:y to .follow its own planning. It should be unthinkable to let these doctors in
here when there is so much..R-P land already zoned for them that is not being
utilized. . Surely these 12 doctors can do better than this to spot zone. The same
doctors occupy offices in the Merced Building across from Edgewood School. .It
would mean a move of only one block and further from the hospital - certainly no
added inconvenience to them. And certainly they are buying this Land cheaper
than they have to pay for R-P logs . Lol:s in this acreage now cost, $10, 000
1:f a layman must pay this amount: then surely professional men can. afford R-P
land, especially when there are so many in number. This acreage was offer.•edto a
developer first: and the doctors offered more but then that is 12 or 14 pockets as
against one. .If only four men could build the medical building at- Sunset and
Cameron and on a corner lot no less than 1.2 can easily locate in the R-P
provided for them. The owner can sell t.o a developer and still make a substantial
profit. This area is not even within the core area of: the updated Master Plan.
We should not be asked to exchange one
set: of problems for, a set equally as bad. To furnish what goes with -this structure
produces new and hazardous conditions. The method doctors follow in booking
appoi:nt:ments, with this many offices, there would be approximately 800 to 1000
cars pulling in and out all day long. That short deadend street of Van Horn
couldn't even handle that kind of congestion. .Also many students walking to and
from Ed.gewood and. Orangewood schools walk directly across this driveway to this
proposed building. With this many cars pull.in.g in and out: someone is sure to get
hurt. , We have a hard time now backing onto Merced and with this added flow
we will never- have a chance
Why should this two storey structure
and possibly three later on, be set in an area of one storey homes
to break the consistency of the area's To have a two storey building
overlooking the backyards is an invasion of privacy; they are not
pay ing hi property taxes to obtain and retain,.th6 �arivilege of
privacy, become objects as fish in a bowl. To allow this building
will surely reduce the Value of the homes around it. With the
exorbitant taxes we are all paying the values will be lowered but the
taxes - never, The saleability of homes around it will be practically
nil. No one looking for a home would even consider one next to such
a busy place, The Council can easily see that by denying this zone
change the doctors will then have to -go to the acreage waiting for
them and the owner will have to sell the acreage as it is now zoned.
Thus the Council can kill two birds with one stone, so to speak,
The City would have two properties developed, one with 7 homes,
totalling 8 properties paying taxes to the City to help fill its
coffers.
We are beingensaturated
with medical buildings in t �p
g his nearby area The building on Glendora
Avenue is almost a ghost building with many vacant offices, The
Merced Building with so many doctors leaving it will become the same
and these buildings are being vacated in their proper zoning, while
they try to enter R-1. Had the owner not known it was R-1 before he
purchased the land one could excuse him for this, but because he
was in full knowledge of it beforehand it is adding insult to injury
after suffering his negligence, to submit to a proposal such as this -
therefore the owner should be instructed by the officials that since
the property has been planned Rm1 for over ten years and he knew this
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before he purchased he should refrain from any more attempts to
spof zone and sell it as the R-1 which it is. Everyone knows that
waxen one spat zone is allowed it is the beginning of the avalanche
after one everyone can ask for all sorts of things and get them.
We are determined that the area shall remain R-1,because all of us
dick not invest so highly in our homes to have everything cancelled
out by, anything else. We are aware that doctors invest in these
buildings as a 'tax write off as a capital gains investment where
no taxes have to be paid for 7 years. This building would be
entirely unfair to the homeowners around it who get no such tax
relief.
(Mayor Krieger stated the Council agreed to receive the petition
dated November 17 1967, in opposition to the proposed zone change
upon findings that this does. not constitute new evidence on the
proposed zone change.)
THE CHAIR CALLED FOR A. TEN MINUTE RECESS. COUNCIL RECESSED AT
8045 P.M. AND RECONVENED AT 8055 P.M.
THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR REBUTTAL TESTIMONY.
Mr. Garvey-, Let me start out by saying that this
is not technically a spot zoning
I have from time to time presented
memorandums and quoted cases to you and brought in definitiz)ns by
experts and nobody really seems to know what a spot zoning is anymore,
• because our Supreme Court has even said that you may put business in
at one and of the block and they don't have to go the complete block.
We can take a look at the influence of the Temple and allow this is
compAtible and necessary in the neighborhood to provide religious
service, but people ordinarily don't care to buy adjacent to churches.
So to some extent property values- in this general area are affected
by whatever general influence a church may have. Immediately across
the wash from that there presently is under construction a Masonic
Lodge, which again is compatible with neighborhoods in a sense that
People from the neighborhood go to those and are attendants at
lodges but nevertheless it is not what you would call strictly
residential use.
One of the ladies was concerned about
the possibility that a two storey building will be put up and I am
quite frank with you, gentlemen, that it is a two storey building, but
it is not the three o four or fide. I would call to the attention of
the Council, which I am sure they are already aware, and to the
attention of the neighborhood that may not be aware of the fact that -
I can build a residential building from the ground and can have
2=1/2 stories very effectively which would overlook the swimming pools
and yards in which privacy is desired. So the mere fact of a two
storey building is really an argument and not a justification for
denial of the change of zone.
Mr. Miller says this would definitely
harm homes on resale value, but he makes a statement without giving
.you any supporting evidence that it would. I think this general
statement which appears at every hearing, ought to be questioned
sometime by Council°s to test the knowledge of people who say it.
I have tested it out and presented you with evidence about things
more harmful than this could possibly be to show you that it doesn't
have that type of an effect.
Why do we need another medical building
or more zoning - we need it because your inventory as I said before
Your inventory is rapidly 'becoming exhausted and your inventory which
ought to be your major medical center and this is not a cure area
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your major medical center is not necessarily located in a business or
commercial area, a medical center tends to generate its own satellites
and one of these types of satellites are offices for the allied services
•such as physicians, dentists, laboratories and pharmacies, and things of
that type and this area is developing that type. If you will recall,
it is only last year that the Queen of the Valley Hospital added two
additional stories and now I realize I am under oath so I am going to
make a statement under belief and not fact because I don't have the
exact facts but I am Informed that within the last year about fifty
physicians have been added to the staff of Queen of the Valley Hospital
and that they are joining that staff at the rate of eight to ten a
month. This is information furnished to me and I have not personally
verified it but it is reasonable to assume people breed people. The
more residences you have the more people you are goin to have and the
more people you have the greater you are going to neel health services
and places to put them. It is the modern tendency for health services
to congregate around major hospitals of which Queen of the Valley is one.
If you develop even further to the South you may even have more
hospitals but you are going to have more people and the physicians that
are going to serve them are still going to tend to congregate as close
to the hospital as they can get. Consequently we do need more land in
the general area which is zoned for that purpose.
M. McCann who certainly is experienced
in zoning etc., made an argument that streets or backyards are an
old-fashioned change of zone. Well, gentlemen, this is an argument
that should be addressed to the Supreme Court of California and not a
local Council. To paraphrase what the Courts tell us, Mr. Krieger,
•when they say we should address the legislature. He says again that
no one has asked either for preferential zoning or to abate a nuisance,,
Well we are not asking for preferential zoning, we are asking for a type
of zoning that can well serve the community and in a place where it can
do very little harm to the community and can only do good. I made no
mention at all of the existing_ use of the property, lv�y clients don't
use the property now. I am not trying to trade a horse ranch or a
stable for a medical building. I am not appealing to your imaginations
in that respect. This was brought, up by the opponents. It has been
mentioned that the property can beBubdivided. Gentlemen, any piece of
property can be subdivided but you have some trouble with this piece of
property if you do subdivide it because you will have deep lots and
deep lots over in that general area are a subject of concern to the
Planning Commission and Council, for at least 4 years to my knowledge.
You ilhtvea probjem with VIn Horn Street, which will have to be
com Ye�ed ,
o one-hal of its w dth and then you will have a jog, which
willcause a traffic problem because it will net meet up with exactly -
Van Horn Street coming in from the north, This would be eliminated by
rezoning and development.
Traffic hazard to children. Gentlemen,
we hear this at every Planning Commission meeting and every City Council
meeting. Traffic is traffic. If people are here there is going to be
traffic and the answer is not to deny -zoning because children may be
walking in streets without sidewalks, the answer is to form special
assessment districts and put the sidewalks in so the children can
walk safely to these schools. The traffic is not going to increase or
decrease because of this use. I would point out. although they are not
• in your jurisdiction that -there is a change in character somewhat in this
neighborhood. If you look over towards the general area of the Freeway
I believe you will find, on the Baldwin Park side, a VFW Hall - perhaps
to compliment the Masonic Hall going in close by and that large five
storey hotel of Howard Johnson's.
The real, reason why suites in medical
buildings are either vacant or going to be is because suites are
inadequate at the present time. Doctors, it is true can build a so-
called post world war bungalow type office and one doctor and his
staff to an office but there are more and more groups being formed and
more and more phalcians looking for the opportunity practice in
the close vicinly of specialists who will supplementtor compliment
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the services of the individual doctors and the formation of a
building like this by a local group of doctors would merely
• implement that trend and provide a better complete medical service
to West CU'Vina and to this end of West Covina,
Gentlemen, I don't think the opponents
have brought up one single argument that would justify he t denying of
this zone change, I believe we have presented a number which nearly
demand that it be granted. If it is granted the precise plan will
be developed to your approval and you have all the safeguards of your
own Ordinance with respect to that development and that the property
will be developed and that building will be up in a very short time.
Thank you.
There being no further rebuttal testimony, on motion made by
Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman'Gleckman, and carried,
the public portion of the hearing was closed.
COUNCIL DISCUSSION
Councilman Gleckmano, After looking at the Code, let me clear
up a few things. Mr. Garvey, did you
building 35' high? say in a R-1 zone you can build a
Mr. Garvey- Ye-s I did - 2 stories.
0 Councilman Gleckman: I might read from 9204.1 ® "no building
or structure in the R®1 zone shall
exceed 25' in height or two stories
I just wanted to set the record correct. Also there is a difference
between the R-1 and R-P in the requirements regarding sideyards,
front yards and rear yards. And one of the things that concerns me
is the rights and privileges of the adjacent property owners that
have to do with what is being proposed here.
I am aware of the present useages and
there is no doubt in my mind that this would be a vast improvement
to what is presently there, but as some of the people have said ® at
whose expense? And I think it would be at the expense of the present
property owners. I also feel that to allow a flat zoning of R-P in
this area with the idea of a 50"' 'building could be built and I think
in this regard - especially in this residential area - actually
oversee these homes in a greater respect than with some type of
control zoning. As Mr. McCann put it - condition zoning ® would even
be better than -What would be allowed in R-P, whether it is acceptable
to this Council or not is neither here nor there. My objections to
this application would primarily be the lack of protection for the
single family residences on Sunkist and it is most unfortunate in my
own feeling, because I don't go along with the 'thinking of putting
everything in the core area and everything else remain status quo, but
at the same time an R-P zone directly adjacent to an R-1 zone without
provisions - I Just can't buy it,
Councilman Gillum-, The thing that concerns me is the idea
and it appears to me there would be a
tendency to "hop scotch" and it would
concern me if this zoning were granted that we would be setting a
precedent west of Orange. I would like to see additional medical
facilities developed in theCitybecause there are many things this
City needs. It disturbs me that we try as a. City to attract the
proper things to this community and at times it seems that we run into
a stone wall as far as being able to attract them and when something
comes into a neighborhood of this type it is of great concern to the
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people living there and I can understand that. I would like to find a
solution for this property. I don't feel the City has the right to
tell an individual what he can or cannot develop. He is free 'to come
In and request a zone change as we are to approve it or deny, it, and
as you all have the right to come in and protest it or support It.
• The City Is faced, unfortunately, in many areas of the City with land
that has been standing -vacant for many years and now becomes a
problem to develop it. My main concern goes along with
Mr. Gleckman's thinking - that there is a problem -with the R-1.
Again I feel If we were 'to go into this area -we -would get too far
away from what we would feel is the medical development of the City.
It is unfortunate it exists in this area but because of these reasons
I could not support the zone change on this property.
Councilman Nichols: I -think the sole judgment here is what
is the currently - 1967 ® 1968 - highest
and best use for this land. If one
philosophically makes up his mind that he -would like to see a medical
center on this particular parcel with certain. controls attached to that
development-, 1 think one philosophically could justify it, 'but in
terms of objectivity when we look at the present neighborhood, that
we really cannot in truth justify a use other than residential for
this land,
A statement has been made that to
develop this land in its residential zoning would create a problem,
that the City has 'been trying to solve for sometime and that is it
would create some additional deep lots. This in truth is not correct.
The property we are speaking of here has a gross depth of 164' and
with the dedication of the street that would normally be required for
• that development,, would create lots of about 14,07 each in depth, which
is about a standard lot in depth. This is not a deep lot nor would
it create a deep lot problem in that particular neighborhood. I -think
the land is flat. A half street has already been dedicated for the
residential development of that area- it is surrounded on the north,
the west and the south by strict R-ldevelopment and irrespective of
the merits of a three storey, four storey or olle storey, I believe in
that neighborhood at this time it should remain as a single
residential use property. I think finally, although the proponent
has made an excellent presentation in terms of the need for this
property on 'behalf of the men who personally need it, I don't believe
we have demonstrably been shown that in the community at large
there is in fact an overriding need for additional residential -
professional land. So -taking it out of the personal need area
or the image of moving out horse manure into medical centers
I think we have to say in all truth that the zone change request is a
unreasonable one and that it should be denied and that would be my
position.
Mayor Krieger: Mr. Menard you had a slide up on the
map - will you put it on again, �lease.
In terms of the development of this
medical center concept and we have had this presented to us a
number of times and the Planning Commission has been hearing of it
more and more, having to do with Sunset Avenue ® what is the farthest
extension that we have - is that the Merced Avenue offices between
Sunset and Orange?
• Mr. Menard, Planning Directors I would say, if my memory serves me
correctly, that is true, as far as
medical offices developed specifically
for that complex, in that there are not doctors offices located
elsewhere.
Mayor Krieger: I understand that, but as satellites
complimentary to the Queen of the Valley
Hospital - how about the availability
of presently zoned R-P property as alluded to by Mr. Garvey ® the
Hurst and the Britt - do those represent the major land holdings of
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of the R-F in the immediate area of the hospital?
Mr.Menard, Planning DirsctorO Of developable parcels that are of the
• size for complex development, I would
say this is probably correct. Except
for the parcels down on Souti- GIbndora which is a further distance
but still travelwise, reasonabl- close. There are several parcels
down there, long and narrow, quite frankly, ratherthan a 2 or 3
acre parcel, of reasonable dimensions.
Mayor KriegerS. Was there anything on the sketch plan
that was illuminating at all on this
particular subject matter?
Mr. Menard, Planning Directoro, The consultant has not directed his
attention bn the sketch plan to
zoning or recommendations of this
nature yet. However, he does speak to the issus very briefly in the
report and is more acutely aware of what his responsibility will be
in indicating land uses in and around the hospital on land uses for
additional professional land use throughout the City. These are
part of his responsibilities.
Mayor Krieger,o Has he projected those in terms of
gross area and what impact the hospital
would have on the neighboring areas
as far as the developing of this medical complex is concerned?
Mr. Menard, Planning Directur.o Not at this point.
Mayor Krieger. At the present time we have notbin
that goes beyond Orange Avenue westerly
then in satellite,forms of facilities or
complexes?
Mr. Menard, Planning Directcro, No. We have the West Covina Hospital
which I am assuming off in -the future,
10 or 15 years - will request
additional land around that -facility.
Mayor Krieger,o Does the applicant know of any medical
offices in the area. bordering Merced
Avenue west of Orange - between that and
the Frontage Road going down to the VFW?
Mr. Garvey.- As far as we know there aren't. I
believe the medical offices shown on
that map adjacent to the hospital and
then barred from further expansion by the highschool, would be as far
west as it Is being carried.
Mayor Krieger-, I have heard a lot of comments by the
% ponents tonight to this pro osed zone
change about the present condition of
this property. In 322= years of sitting on this Council, I have never
received in writing or verbally under oral communications any comments
about these matters having to do with the condition of this pro erty.
We are a City of fourteen suare miles and if something is upsetti
or of a disturbing nature within the commun14.1 donut think it T100
much to ask of people to either benefit us with their thoughts by writing
or b
appearance and let us know that these problems exist. I don't
think
i you can hold the City necessarily accountable for knowing what is
going on in terms of the number of horses or the possible commercial
advantage to which the propert owner is placing their arty
unless you call these matters L roe2
the attention of the
jaf�or the
Council. And I think you would find that the remedy ,wiulg be swift
..indeed. But i know,, since I have been an the Counci ha this
property use has never been brought -to the Council's attention and I
.have no recollection of it as being brought to the Council's attention
as far as the highest and best use of this property is concerned.
In view of the situation of Queen. of the Valley Hospital I don't think
the Queen of the Valley Hospital influence, as we presently have it in
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the City of West Covina exte-nds westerly of Orange Avenue at this
time, and I don't think any of the other uses that we have westerly
of Orange Avenue that aren't R-1 in nature would justify the further
extension of an R-P, recognizing that it may encompass more uses than
,..what we are discussing tonight beyond Orange Avenue and therefore, I
would join with the -rest of you gentlemen, in opposing it. Unless
there is further discussion, a motion is in order.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
City Council deny the: request for Zone Change No. 382. Motl.on
carried on roll call vote as follows-,
#8 None
AY,ZS,, Councilman Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
ABSENT-0 Councilman Snyder
AMENDMENT NO. 84
CITY INITIATED
Mayor Krieger-,
Mrs, Preston, City Clerk-,
Request, amending Section 9224.5 of the
West Covina Municipal Code to change
the language from "description" to
"general description." Approved by
Planning Commission Resolution No. 1993.
Madam City Clerk, do we have affidavits
of publication?
Yes,
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
carried, 'that the City Council receive and file affidavits of publication.
AT THE REQUEST OF THE MAYOR, MR. MENARD, PLANNING DIRECTOR, READ THE
PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION NO. 1993.
Mayor Krieger-,
Mr. Menard-,
Is that the Resolution in full
Mr. Menard?
Yes it is.
THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING,
IN FAVOR
None.
IN OPPOSITION
None.
THERE BEING NO PUBLIC TESTIMONY, THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS HEARING IS
CLOSED, COUNCIL DISCUSSION IN ORDER. COUNCIL IN AGREEMENT,
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that the City Council approve Resolution No. 1993 and
direct the Cit Attorney to prepare the appropriate Ordinance,
implementing that Resolution.
PLANNING COMMISSION
REVIEW ACTION OF NOVEMBER 15, 196Z
The action of the Planning Commission was reviewed verbally by Mr. Menard,
Planning Director. Council indicated they did not wish to call any
matters up.
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PLANNING COMMISSION ® Continued
PARKING LOT PAVING PERMITS AND FEES
Mr. Menard, Planning Director-, You have my letter from the
Planning Commission indicating the
action taken by them. The request
to the Planning Commission was submitted by the Building and Safety
Director.
Mayor Krieger-, Is this a public hearing item if the
Council directs proceedings to amend
the Municipal Code, Mr. Sorensen?
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney-, I am not familiar with this item. If
it is an amendment to the Ordinance
relating to conditions under the Zoning
be, but I don't know. Ordinance then I would think it might
Mayor Kriegero, This has not been discussed with the
City Attorney, Mr.Menard?
Mr. Menard,.Planning Director-, Not by my office.
Mayor -Krieger: Mr. F�yler, can you nlghten the
Couno this particular matter?
Mro William Fowler
I do have a memo that I wrote to
8uildi l:Safeti Director
1fy .West Cov
Mro Past regarding this parking lot
na
paving permits and fees ® Mr. Williams
• copy does not indicate his signature
had approved this and I am sorry your
on it,
Mayor Krieger.
The question is with regard to whether
or not a hearing was required on this
with Mr. Williams?
particular matter - was that discussed
Mr. Fowler,
No. This was Mr. Williams statement -
Building & Safety Director-,
that our standards were flexible, etc.,
anshould maintain that urairaph but
a new
paragraph as noed here.
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney-,
This appears to be binder your subdivision
ordinance.
Mr. Fowler,*
Building & Safety Director
No, it is in the Zoning Ordinance.
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorneys
think as long as it adds a requirement
and the requirement is that a permit be
it would be necessary to have
obtained before anything can be done, that
a hearing,
Mayor Kriegerg
Thank you, Mr. Sorensen. What is the
Council's pleasure on this particular
matter?
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, thattheCouncil instruct the City Attorney to commence
proceedings to amend the Municipal Code 9219.16 as proposed by the
Building and Safety Director, and a public hearing be held.
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RECREATION & PARKS COMMISSION
= ...... None
PERSONNEL BOARD None
HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION None
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GENERAL MATTERS
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
LETTER FROM VALENCIA HEIGHTS WATER CO.
RE. AMENDMENT TO LAND LEASE
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that the City Council receive and file letter from Valencia
Heights Water Company regarding amendment to Land Lease and refer to
staff, for report back to Counc to
CITY ATTORNEY
Mayor Krieger formally introduced to the City Council 'the acting
City Attorney ® Mr. Royal Sorensen,
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION The City Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
.THE CITY OF WEST COVINA RELATING TO
THE COMPENSATION OF THE MEMBERS OF
THE RECREATION & PARK COMMISSION,"
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council waive further reading of the body of said
Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that the City Council introduce said Ordinance,
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION The City Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA RELATING TO
THE COMPENSATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
PLANNING OOMMISSION.1'
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum. and
carried, that Council waive further reading of' the. body of said
Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
carried, that the Council introduce said Ordinance.
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION The CityAttorney y presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
.THE CITY OF WEST COVINA RELATING TO
THE COMPENSATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
PERSONNEL BOARD."
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council waive further reading of the body of said
Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
carried, that the City Council introduce said Ordinance.
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION The City Attorney presented -
REAL PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
.CITY OF WEST COVINA ADDING ":CHAPTER -FIVE
CONSISTENT WITH SEUTION 6500 ' TO 6511 -r,
PROPOSING A DOCUMENTARY STAMP TAX ON THE
SALE OF REAL PROPERTY,
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CITY ATTORNEY - Continued
Page Twenty-two
Mr, Sorensen-. This is a tax imposing 55¢ for each.
4500 , Under 'the act if the County
adopts the Ordinance 'then the City may
adopt an ordinance approaching half of that or 27-1./2� each. 4500. This
requires two readings and becomes effective upon adoption because it is
a taxing ordinance and is necessary 'to raise :funds for the current
years revenue and budgeting. This would 'become ef:fect.ive January 1.,
1968,
Motion_ by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council waive further reading of the body of said
Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that the City Council introduce said Ordinance,,
Councilman Nichols; I would think it would be appropriate
for the minutes to show that this
Council has been made aware that the
legislation is in process of being adopted by the County of Los Angeles
and that if this Council did not enact the legislation tonight, the
taxpayers of West Covina would not save one cent but would instead
pay all of this revenue directly to the County of Los Angeles and that
this Council has therefore enacted this legislation for the sole
purpose of attempting to retain as much of the tax levies within
the City of West Covina as is possible.
Mayor Krieger.- Further discussion on the introduction
of the Ordinance? There being no
objections, Ordinance stands introduced,
ORDINANCE NO. 1013 The City Attorney presented.-
ADOPTED "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
.CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING CERTAIN
PRDVISIONS OF THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL
CODE RELATING TO USED CAR FACILITIES."
Motion by Councilman N.°'Ichcils;, seconded by Counicilman Gillum, and
carried, that the City Council waive further reading of the body of said
Ordinance,
Motion by Councilman Nichols,, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
City Council adopt said Ordinance,
Councilman Gleckman.- I have bad some second 'thoughts about
'this and I would like to talk it out
with the Council about putting a used
car facility in Zone C®3 just at random. We have service stations
that we allow in Cm3 but they have to go in. by Unclassified Use
Permit, I believe,
Mayor Krieger-, No, by right in certain zones,
Councilman Gleckmans My only thought would be in the area of
• used car facilities, I would like -to see
some stronger conditions if possible,
whether it be in C®3 zone or any zone in our community. I would feel
that a used car lot per se, if we had some other control such as a
Unclassified Use Permit, we could have more control as to location,
adjacentwise - because this was a problem area as to -where we would
put a used car lot since we didn't have one and that is the reason for
this type of Ordinance. So that would be my thought - I had some
reservation about a carte -blanche C-3 area,
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C. C. 11-27-67 Page Twenty-three
CITY ATTORNEY ® Continued
ORDINANCE NO. 1013 - Continued
Councilman Gillum: To go along with the same thinking
though wouldn't we be in a sense
discriminating since we allow used
car lots with new car agencies? What you are saying is if we would
allow used car lots only we were to put more restrictions on them
than on a new car- agency with a -used car lot.
Councilman Gleckman: That Is what I am saying.
Councilman Gillum:
Mayor Krieger:
have our controls over
other zone that is more
I disagree with you.
I don't really think we are doing
anything only establishing a zone
which provides for the use, we then
the Precise Plan, the same as we have on any
explicit than R-1,
Councilman Gleckman: Let me ask this question. then.
Mr. Menard, If we would put an
automobile agency allowable in a
0=2 zone along with it a used car in a C-2 zone, are the restrictions
of a used car lot in a 0-3 zone more restrictive than in C®2 zone?
I would think it is just the opposite. You can have a lot more
signage in a C-3 than a 0-2.
Mr. Menard,-Planning Director: Regarding signage - the requirements
or the restrictions in the C®2 and
C-3 are exactly the same., 3 to 1 ratio.
Regarding the development standards, which is a policy adopted by
resolution by the Planning Commission, they are exactly the same
whether it is R-P, C-1, C-2, or C-3. Basically the development
standards for a used car facility in a C-3 zone would be exactly the
same as the development standards for a new and used car facility in
the 0-2 zone.
Councilman Gleckman: Okay. I have no further comment.. I
thought they weren't.
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows.,
AYES.- Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
ORDINANCE NO. 1014 The City Attorney presented-
0 "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
.THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING
ADOPTED CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE
RELATING TO PRECISE PLANS OF DESIGN,"
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
carried, that Council waive further reading of the body of said
Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
• City Council adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call vote as
follows**
AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES- None
0 ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
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CITY ATTORNEY - Continued
ORDINANCE NO, 1015 The City Attorney presentedo
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
ADOPTED CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING CERTAIN
PROVISIONS OF THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL
CODE RELATING TO SIGNS WHICH SIMULATE
• MOTION AND TO TIME AND TEMPERATURE SIGNS,"
Motion by Councilman Nichols. seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried that the City Council waive further reading of the body of
said Ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman that
the City Council adopt said Ordinance. Motion carried on roll call
vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
ORDINANCE NO, 1016 The City Attorney presentedo
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY -COUNCIL OF THE
ADOPTED CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING CERTAIN
PROVISIONS OF THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL
CODE RELATING TO BUSINESS LICENSES.."
Motion by Councilman Gillum, secoaatd, by Cr urvun ilman Glsokman, and
ca �:�Q@��ydry/pN �t{�ha���,�pthe City Counci wive fs��rther� reading of the body of
S a� d 0d' d6 4l �AdSab'Jb�< �Fi'r O
• Motion by CouZllci:l.raan Gillum, seoornde-d , �F Coui.n...Q'I:iman Gl.(t,ckman9 that the
City Council adopt said Ordinance.
Mayor Krieger-.- Mr. Sorensen there is some wording in.
Section 2 a, 6ategory S d where this did
not come out exa.Gtl,y the way the Council
directed it last week at the public hearing. What would be the, effect
of the deletion of the ward: - so far as the prf,)ri���v of the
concept o. Cohe adoption u± the O:rdinanoe°� I says ���t�l� �Nf�, company
service vehicles" and the moti,o)r!. was ¢a��t'�j�is �,��.il�ti�s w111�Qh may' fall
into other classifications" and La thia dra,,1,41y" it says °Crxcoapt other
utilities which may fall into all oth r alas zific at lon's. H
Mr. .Sorensen, City Attorney.- I don't think that would be anithin
more than a clerical .hang e . don t
believe it changes the su.bsta:ace of the
make that change, 6rd.inanoe and would be permissable to
Mayor Kriagero Alright. There was oz e other word and
that was the ward "class i,f ications"
with our terminology, should be "Catego:riesB° to be consistent
X-r. Sorensen, City Attorney: Again that would be just a change of word
without a change of meaning. Do you . u��e
the Word _"claSsifiscation1U in your
• business license ordinance right now? I do not have an up-to-date copy,
Mayor Krieger: It is a broad question. All I know, in
this Ordinance we have been talking about
cate� or'ieso Now whath(6r the word is ever
used as "classifications" in any offer part of our business license
ordinances, I don't known
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney, I wouldn't know if it had any articular
meaning .under your Ordinance, f 1A, did
that might make. l a di,f f er enc e a May I ask
the Wad it was worded in the Ordinance - Item 25?
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CITY ATTORNEY - Continued
ORDINANCE NO, 101.6® Continued
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager-, Listed as"categories." (Gave a copy of
the Business License to Ivir. Sorensen."
• Mayor Krieger; I wanted it -to be consistent with the
Ordinance introduced last week, which
as I remember was "except utilities
which may fall into other categories."
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney: If that was thp- way it was introduced
there is no question but that the
made in ink o changes should be made. They can be
Mayor Krieger-, Let the changes then as noted be
inserted by innerlineation in
Cate nary S SubsecNion 25, delete the
words "others"' and "all" and substitute tie word 'categories for
91 olassification," in order to be consistent with. the Ordinance as
introduced.
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Gillum, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES' Councilman Nichols
ABSENT-, Councilman Snyder
Mayor Kriegerg, There is a letter attached to this agenda
item, a motion would be in order to
receive and file.
So moved by Councilman Nichols, secanded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried.
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RESOLUTION NO. 3700 The City Attorney presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITrjLOK.WE8-T
2Ej9jjNA AP18JJTIN�
RO 'Al NG,
ITY
ATTORNEY."
Mayor Krieger.- Hearing no Objection, waive further
reading of the body of said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
City Council adopt said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote
as follows. -
AYES* Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES- None
0 ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
RESOLUTION NO. 3701 The City Attorney presented-
0
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
ADOPTED CITY OF WEST COVINA DENYING -A REQUEST
FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE. (ZONE CHANGE NO. 383-
Albert Handler.)
• Mayor Krieger.- Hearing no objections, waive further
reading of the body of said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that the
City Council adopt said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as
follows:
AYES. Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: Councilman Gillum
ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
Mayor Krieger: Mr. Gillum, did you care to make a
comment.
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CITY ATTORNEY - Continued
RESOLUTION NO,, 3701 - Continued
Councilman Gillum.- No - all I can say is - it would be a
• 'waste of time. We will see what happens.
RESOLUTION NO. 3702 The City Attorney presentedo,
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA9 AMENDING
CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF RESOLUTION
NO, 12(7 RELATING TO AUTHORIZED
POSITIONS AND SALARIES AND ESTABLISHING
CLASS SPECIFICATIONS FOR ALL POSITIONS,"
Mayor Krieger*, Hearing no objections waive further
reading of the body of said Resolution.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seUanded by Councilman Gillumq that the
City Council adopt said Resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote
as follows.-
AYESoo Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
ABSENT-0 Councilman Snyder
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LEGAL OPINION ON CROSS EXAMINATION OF PERSONS
• APPEARING BEFORE COUNCIL
Mr, Sorensen, City Attorney-0 I talked with M. Tertian about this
today and he said this was a direction
given by the Council at the last meeting.
Mr. Tertian does intend to prepare a
somewhat detailed written report on this. I think for, the -time being
'this may answer the Council's question, there is the case of the
Desert Turb Club that indicated in a zoning hearing of this kind that
one of the facets of due process had to do with cross examinatic)n
within the limitations really appropriate to the matter of the hearing
and the kind of situation present If a jqrson does desire to cross
examine an opponent or proponent ;phis wit'in appr,;Priate limits should
be allowed.
Councilman Gillum-,
I have a question along the same line -
Supposedly when someone comes up and
right or really how much good
testifies they are under oath. What legal
is that oath?
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney-,
I don't know that I have ever heard of
it being tested out, Theorttically
I suppose if you could get a sufficiently
definite false statement from the
necessary witness under testimony then necessarily you may very well have
a perjury action, if you could
get the District Attorney's office to
file a complaint, which seems
somewhat unlikely unless it were an
extremely flagrant case, and I,would
have some doubt that it would be
• so in this type of case.
Councilman Gillum-,
You have no knowledge of it having
happened.
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney-,
I have Do knowledge of it ever happening.
IW,6001 "bay it hasn't.
4
Councilman Gleckman-0
Mr,, Sorensen, what would happen if the
person that was to be cross examined
refused to answer?
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CITY ATTORNEY - Continued'
Page Twenty-seven
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorney: I would think under those circumstances
the body hearing that personb testimony
would just disregard it. If he isn't
willing to stand up and be counted, why then perhaps his testimony isn't
accurate.
CITY MANAGER
CAR LEASING PROGRAM
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: We have finaill come up with C r
Lease. Mr. l of is p esent � here
are any questions the Council may have.
We are actually coming under our rate
of last year which was averaging around $204 per vehicle. This new
agreement will bring this down to $172.50 per vehicle. We will have
all the standard equipment including the 1968
Mayor Krieger: Any questions on the report of November 27th?
Councilman Nicholso I don't quite understand the involvement
of Richfield Corporation relative to this
done. Will you explain this? leasing matter and the repair work to be
Mr. Eliot, Controller: At our last meeting on the 13th we
discussed the lease without maintenance
and stated at that time we wished to
accumulate costs. We came back with an agreement now with a very
nominal sum of $32.50 per vehicle er month. The lessor has agreed to
assume full maintenance costa and believe it is quite a savinrg�s to
the Cit in the long run to be assured of our cost if we possibly can.
But looting forward to next year - if we face a situation where we
might be unable to find a lessor and might wish to purchase, we want to
build up coast figures and Richfield Oil has offered a free service to
anyone with a Richfield card where they would accumulate all charges
whether for gasoline, repairs, lobs, etc., on a computer system and
monthly render a report by vehicle per fleet without costs to us. So
Haefner has decided to give us these cost figures. He suggested that
he would take out a Richfield Credit Card himself - Haefner Leasing
Sor�oration is se crate entit rom Haef_ner Chrys er;Plymouth
eal p and Re w�uld have all he work atone as 1 1 were being done
for us at fleet rates and it will be billed to him directly . This
would all be run through the computer and we would actually have
detailed costs without keeping it ourselves and then next year we would
have our analysis all prepared for us.
Mayor Krieger: Thank you.
Mr. Sorensen, City Attorneyo May I make one comment? I don't know if
Mr. Tertian had a chance to talk to you
,Q P,about this in the third paragraph
under Maintenance and Repairs- It. is provided if out of service or
repairs more than 30 days rent -shall cease. We simply thought the
30 day period was too long and it has been changed.
Mayor Krieger:
contract otherwise as to form?
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager:
Councilman Nichols-,
Yes it has been charged to 10 days on
Council copies. Mr. Aiassa you indicated
that the City Attorney has approved this
Yes.
I certainly feel the
highly commended for
achieving this Le am
.�
of spiralling costs and come in for another year aat
year, is quite an accomplishment. I would .like to
staff should be
negotiating and
Agreement at a time
less cost than last
offer the motion that
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Page Twenty, -eight
CITY MANAGER ® Continued
CAR LEASING PROGRAM - Continued
• the Council approve the vehicle Lease Agreement and direct the Mayor
and City Clerk, to execute it.
Motion seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried on roll call vote as
follows.
AYES,, Councilmen Gillum,
NOES,, None
ABSENT,, Councilman Snyder
Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
GENERAL PLAN ® TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AGREEMENT
Mayor Kriegero
Mr. Aiassa is there anything to add to
your report of November 24th?
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: No, the only thing I would like to add
is that at the 'time it was negotiated
with Williams, Cook & Mocine, we actually
had deleted from their contract this Traffic Consultant's report because
at the time we were planning to use some of our staff within house,
but as yet as you know we have not filled our vacant Traffic Engineer
position.
Mayor Kriegero Did the City Attorney look at this
• Agreement .as to form, etc.
Mr. Scirensen, City Attorneys Yes. Two changes. One very minor
Page 3, halfway wn., the indented
paragraph where R says service to and
residential" the word "from" should be inserted prior to "residential".
The more significant change is on Page 4 Stated Rates. The paragraph
starting out "invoices will be submitted" we suggest adding this
sentence "No change in the above specified rates shall be effective
until 30 days after notice thereof to the City." This provides that
the City will be billed at the then existing rates, it says the
current rates and then lists them. Now the City has the right of
termination at anytime so it would apiear to me if there is a 30 day
notice on the change of rates this wou d give the City the opportunN y
to terminate that agreement.
Councilman Gillum: Mr. Aiassa, if we had hired a traffic
engineer and a maintenance supervisor
would we have been able to complete this
project without going outside to do it.
Mr. Aiassa, City Managers No, we would still have to hire a traffic
con.aultant but not to this extent. I
be only a one time expenditure. would like to paint out that this would
Councilman Gillum:
. to go out?
Mr. Aiassa, City Managers
Councilman Gillum.
Mr. Aiassa, City Managers
Let me ask you this - you say if we had
hired a traffic engineer and the
maintenance supervisor we would still have
We were roughly estimating between 47500
and $ 9 , 000.
Even with these two people?
Yes
Councilman Gillum:
Where were we going to get the money?
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GENERAL PLAN - TRAFFIC CONSULTANT - Continued
Mr. Aiassa, City Manageroo This was the element we took out of the
budget and we were anticipating bringing
It to the Council to, see If they wanted
to take it from unap-oro-or.i,q,ted reserves, Actually per se this is the first
time we ever did a Traffic Study, that was not a_ specific isolated item, like Freeways,
etc. This: is for the entire City and also its perimeter.
Councilman Gillum, I am aware of -that but what concerns
me we are talking about apparently two
important Jobs In the City government
and it appears here that we can eliminate them and take their complete
salaries or a portion thereof to spend on this one project.
Councilman Nicholsoo And we have half of the year ahead of us.
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager-, We have divided the contract and
normally the City Attorney, requires
to budget the total amount. anytime you negotiate a contract you have
Councilman Gillum.- Suppose in January we hire a maintenance
supervisor and a traffic engineer?
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Well then we would have to make a decision
after Phase One because Phase one must
be completed before we go to Phase two.
Mr. Fast, Public Service
Director.- The Street Maintenance Supervisor will be
hired -by January 1. We not take out
the entire budget of the maintenance
supervisor, merely those savings that had accrued because we had not yet
filled the position. Insofar as the traffic engineer is concerned
because we will be having this input, from this traffic consultant it is
essentially in lieu of the traffic engineer for this fiscal year.
Councilman Nichols; I have just a little bit of a feeling
that this is sort of a reload. After we
disomea int�rea� lenth ?nd reached
'the point that we felt this City co d evo and sup ly or a eneral
Plan Study and it did take a long time and a lot of discussion and we
came up with a very large sum of money and then whamo here we come
with a little old amount of 021,000 for a supporting traffic study.
I think of all the things we scrambled for dollars for and I really
don't think that the justification that we haven't spent it for this
item or that other item - - there are many areas where we need to spend
money. The justification is going to have to lie in the basic area of
need itself, which really hasn't been mentioned in any type of depth
other than where the money is coming from. I would have been much
happier if you could have found some little old study that had been
done a year or two ago and changed its name and pawned it off on them
we probably would have gotten 'the same results out of it.
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager:
Councilman Nichols
Mr. Aiassa, City Manageroo
didn't have at that time?
Councilman N-ichols-,
Councilman Gillum.o
Just one question - at the original
conception of this Williams, Cook & Mocine
proposal it was in the $86,000....
I remember.
And remember when Mro Williams said
if we approve this contract we must
approve the total contract, which we
I am still unhappy,
What was the contract amount with
Williams, Cook & Mocine?
Mr. Menard, Planning Director-,
$51,000 to $52,000.
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GENERAL PLAN - TRAFFIC CONSULTANT
Councilman Gillumo- And we are going to spend 421,000 for a
traffic study.
Councilman Nichols.* So they can do their job,,
•
Mayor Krieger,o I really don't see how we can
implement the full study that Williams,
Cook &Mocine are doing without this
complimentary feature. But I am going to 'be very much disturbed,
disappointed, distressed and distraught if these people come back and
�ell us rhat our traffic problems are. If there isn't a member of this
ouncil hat doesn° know what our traffic problems are he has been
living in a complete vacuum. I think we could go out and grab the first
guy driving through the City and he could tell us what our problems
are, so I hope these traffic experts will start to tell us what our
solutions are. Nine -tenths of each report we seem to get in the field
of traffic consultants seems to be an analysis. of our problems and
it comes to the astounding conclusion that we have a problem. We
don't need expert consultants to tell us that anymore. We know it.
I hopethesepeople will take nine -tenths of the report and start telling
us what the solutions are to these problems.
Councilman Nichols: Amend
Mr, Aiassa, City Manager,,, I think Mr. Fast could probably put a
qu
ick diagram on 'the board and show you
his has been the first time we have
approached this type of traffic study where we are actually bringing
In in -put from outside destinations to and from our commercial and
core area. This has never been done, at least since I have been here.
I did one in Santa Rosa where we hired 25 or 30 people and actually did
a destination study by, handing e le cards and saying
"where are you
goingandplease mail the card inowhen hyouget back.. And then we
took hose cards and plotted them on the
Board. It was a real hard
job but It did give us some good in -put.
.Councilman Nichols: Mr. Mayor, I would concur with you that
this Council is rightfully getting
somewhat study shy, I would also concur
with you that in truth whatever the conception of this is at the
moment, I am sure it is needed if the results are as anticipated, but
I maintain the burden of proof is on the staff to assure the Council
that the anticipated results of this study - that the direction to these
people will be such that this council will come to feel that there is
meat and merit in spending this $21,0000
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman G . illum, that the
City Council approve the agreement for Traffic Planning Services and
authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute same. Motion carried on
roll call vote as follows-,
AYESo Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
0 NOES, None
ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager.* Mr. Mayor, I would like to say this
that the words that you iterated tonight
were given to the consultant before we
even recommended to the Council. I even made it more emphatic, saying
that I was sick and tired of receiving report after report that we just
filed. The advantage in this case is Mr. Goodrich has 10 years of
experience with the Division of Highways.
Councilman Gillum,,, State Division of Highways?
Mr, Aiassa, City Manager: San Francisco Bay Area,
Councilman Gillum,o I wish you had told me that before I voted.
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GENERAL PLAN m TRAFFIC CONSULTANT
Mayor Krieger.- We have never had an expert that did not
have eminent qualifications.
• Councilman Gillum: I must say in all honesty, Mr. Aiassa, I
would many times put our Blue Ribbon
Committees up against the experts that
come in with solutions to some of our problems and they don't cost us
much money,
Councilman Gleckmans You better not forget, Mro Gillum, that
a great deal of what comes out of those
Committees is supplied by the staff of
this City. The staff of this City makes recommendations to this Council
and this is a necessity and that is why they got my vote,
Councilman Gillum: I am well aware of that,
LEASE AGREEMENT FOR TREE PLANTING
.AROUND CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
Councilman Nichols:
What is the estimated expenditure of
City funds in this strip?
Mr. Aiassa, City Managers
We are actually just replacing the
trees,
• Mr, Fast, Public Service
The cost is #128 for the rase planting
Directors
on that strip.
Councilman Nichols.-
If Mr. Schulman would canoe t9is
it
agreement would cost us 12 0
Mayor Krieger:
Th City Attorney h s ca�lid to our
at ention the Reis
act o ce has not
yet had the opportunity to approve this
agreement. Any motion, if there is a
motion, should be subject to
the approval of the City Attorney,
Motion by Councilman Nichols,
seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
City Council approve the agreement
for easement and landscaping with
Mr. Schulman and the West Covina Plaza, subject to the approval of the
City Attorney as to the form
of the agreement,
Councilman Gillum.-
Mr, Aiassa, have we proceeded anywhere
with the funds that were raised?
Mr, Aiassa, City Managers Yes o we have a report which I just
received on November 27th and I have
been unable to review it yet. It will
be forwarded to the Council by this Friday o which has a complete
status of the commercial street tree planting including the fancy; put
in by West Covina Beautiful.
Mayor Krieger -
We have a motion made and seconded.
Any objections? Dearing none, motion
carries,
NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES
MEMBERSHIP DUES
Mayor Krieger: We deleted this item from our budget
the report is self-explanatory.
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried,
that the report be received and filed.
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CITY MANAGER - Continued
CORTEZ PARK STREET IMPROVEMENT
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council approve the recommendation and accept and
file the report.
• ��moom�oo
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager.- Now we must go back to October 26,
147, Traffic C mmittpe minutes o9
t or a no par ing
zone on Cortez Street adjacent to the City Yard, because we are
delaying the construction and improvements.
Mayor Krieger.- This was an item held over before?
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Yes, Item 2 of the Traffic Committee
minutes of the meeting of October 26.
(Read requests)
Councilman Nichols: I believe it was the Council's
concern that this would be pprohibitive
because of the limitation of parking
and Mr. Aiassansaid m well maybe we could. et this in faster m in the
event they can't I would personally feel °fat we should not restrict
that parking and make it more difficult than ever for people to find a
place to park when attending events at the park.
Mayor Kriegers But as I understand we are past the
major events at Cortez Park th t
causes this congestion and I t�ink
• our emphasis now should be on the traffic flaw rather than the parking
situation.
Councilman Nichols.- What about all the summer events and
the family picnics which will precede
this project?
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager.- We are planning to do it July 1
before the summer program.
Mayor Krieger.- As I understood it indicated that
plans and specifications could be
prepared with construction starting in
July, if the new budget is approved.
.Mo-tion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
carried, that the City Council accept and approve Item 2 of the
Traffic Committee meeting minutes dated October 269 1967.
CEACE PROGRAM m ACTIVITY REPORT
Mayor Krieger.- This is merely information. A motion
to receive and file would be in order,
Mrs Aiassa, City Manager.- I would like to make one comment. I
think the Police Department and staff
re really creating an active interest
n this program.
is Councilman Nichols.- I would like to make a general comment
at this point. Mr. Aiassa, for your
own information and not because of any
particular situation, but in moving into this particular program we are
sending more and more of our city employees out into a public contact
situation. There is a little bit of a tendency on occasion for
representatives of the City to bemoan in public their lack -of certain
equipment.or whatever it might be that they don't have and they feel
they would like to have, which tends to reflect on the higher echelons
of the City and the City Council. and I would think it might be appro-
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CITY MANAGER - Continued
priate at this time to advise Department Heads to talk to their
employe -es to use discretion in the kinds of bemeanings they take
publicly.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckmal1q, and
carried that Council receive and file the activity report on CEACE.
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION HEARING
REa, SUBURBAN WATER SYSTEMS Dec, 6
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council receive and file.
IBM CUSTOMER EXECUTIVE PROGRAM
Mr, Aiassa, City Manager-, This is a program that I have turned
down for a year now ® the invitation
has always come when I could not attend.
Actually this invitation is as their uest and other than m fli ht trip
up and back, they will give me a compete tour of their bysGm al San
Jose. It is something that not too many have a chance to go to,
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that
Eounoll authorize jht City Xgagr tend W IBMSCus�omer
xecutive program re ruarY 5 rutgetr"'luary n an ose,
• Councilman Nichols.- The City Manager is very, very judicious
in ,his expenditure of his time on
appointments out of this City and I say
that in all sinceiii--y and if he feels theke is .Merit in attending this
I certainly wouldn't oegrudge him the opportunity of going up there and
becoming informed,
Mayor Krieger-, Any objections? Hearing none, it is so
ordered. Do you need the expenditure
of funds for this trip?
Mr. Alassa, City Manager.- Just for the flight up and back.
� ti b Couxicilmanjjcholu siconded b�tM yor 68alothe
Ryokaffger De gr e a s o money n to exKcree'QdgV6. r his
IBM Executive Program trip,,,authorized by Council, between February 5
and 9. in San Jose. Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES* Councilmen Gillum, Nichols., Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES. None
ABSENTS Councilman Snyder
COUNCIL FOLLOW -UP -REPORTS
CITY HALL AIR CONDITIONING and TAX STATUS - LARK ELLEN TOWERS
Motion by Councilman Gleckman seconded b Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that bbth items be held over until the next Council meeting,
December llth,,
VINE STREET CROSSING GUARD
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that this
be received and filed.
Councilman Nichols.- What is this for tonight?
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.CITY MANAGER m Continued
VINE -STREET CROSSING GUARD - Continued
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Actually this was a carry-over of
October 6, 1967, with regard to the
• temporary crossing guard at Vine Avenue
School:
Councilman Gleck-mans I requested maintaining the guard and
accords to this it o y ar�oth r
report nad warrant wall to run o
determine if regular use is necessary. This report came to us on
October 6th originally and at that time there was a question as to
why the guard was put there prior to authorization by this Council.
After that I brought it up at the last meeting with the idea of
maintaining and continuing a guard at Vine School regardless of what
the report read and this report indicates to us I -believe that another
determination will e mad pyig t the dismissal of the crossing
guard, regardless o the ra fio s tua ion as far as Cameron
is concerned,
Councilman Nichols: Yes m but what I am trying to find out
we had traffic committee minutes before
us discussing the action that had already
been implemented. These minutes are not those that came before us?
Mr, Aiassa, City Managers No, When we changed a reserve officer
for a crossing guard m the minutes prior
to this set here is what you are talking
about,
• Councilman Nichols: But we did not approve that item we
left it in limbo to come back before us
and now -we have the minutes of another
meeting, What happens to the original minutes where this item came up
and we did not approve?
Mr, Aiassa, City Manager: If you remember you reprimanded the
staff for doing something prior to the
approval of the minutes.
Councilman Nicholso I wouldn't say "reprimanded"..
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Well you made it quite obvious ® and
from then on we decided not to remove
the crossing guard until we had
approval from the Council and that is when Mr. Gleckman brought this
Reserve ActOfficer allyitbyan economical method - we tried to get rid of a
y using a crossing guard which was cheaper,
Councilman Nichols: We approved the Traffic Minutes with
the exception of the item on Cortez
Park and this item. The Cortez item
came back on in a verbal recommendation from the City Manager, But
not the Traffic Committee minutes,
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Yes, you approved both. We went back
to the Traffic Committee minutes which
was Item 2,
• Councilman Nichols: Now why didn't we go back to the
original Traffic Committee minutes
here?
Mr, Aiassa, City Managers No the problem came when Mr. Gleckman
didn't know why we shouldnat continue
keeping the crossing guard,
Mayor Krieger: It has been moved and seconded to receive
and excertTrafic
Committee minutes m further discussion?e Anysobjections?omSohordered.
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CITY MANAGER a Continued
FIRE PROTECTION - REPORT ON COUNTY TAX PAID
FOR. COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT
Motbn made by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and
carried, that this item be held over until the first regular meeting
in December.
TRASH AND LITTER IN COMMERCIAL AREAS
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman,; and
carried, that Council hold this item over until the meeting of
December lltho
CITY CLERK
LOS ANGELES COUNTY HEART ASSOCIATION
REQUEST TO CONDUCT FUND RAISING - FEBRUARY1968
Mayor Krieger: Is this in accordance with prior actions
Mrs. Preston?
Mrs, Preston, City Clerk: Yes.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and
• carried, that City Council grant the request of the Los Angeles County
Heart Association,
RE VEST FROM PARENTS ASSOCIATION FOR CULTURAL EDUCATION
0 EDGEWOOD HIGH SCHOOL TO CONDUCT FUND RAISING DURING
DECEMBER, 19670
Mayor Krieger: We have a letter digned by Mr, Fox. Does
the Council have any questions of Mr. Fox
with regard to this request?
Councilman Gleckman: I think it is a very worthy cause. I
would have no objection to making a motion,
Mayor Krieger: Any further discussion or questions?
A motinn would be in order.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, conded b Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Coundil approve tis reques,
Councilman Gillum: I have a question of Mr, Fox, Is this
the Or an a io h t haS b n active
n Edg wood igi c ool inie past year?
I was at a school board meeting one night and they presented a program.,
Is this the same Organization?
William Fox: They have given several programs at
• different schools. I think there was
one given about two years ago at the
School Board meeting.
Councilman Gillum: Isn°t this the same group that raises
funds for the jackets, etc,?
Mr, Fox: Oh yes m we give dinners, etc,, to
raise money.
Councilman Gillum: I was just curious if it was the same
organization. Thank you.
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CITY TREASUDER
Page Thirty -Six
Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and
carried, that the Council receive and file the City Treasurer report
for October, 1967.
MAYOR'S REPORTS
(hancaled-earIlent1ti Re evening.)
CertifIcate of Commendation to Mr. Bryan
CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS OF COMMENDATION
FOR DALLAS ROGERS AND MARILYN GORDON m SISTER CITY DELEGATES
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council direct the City Clerk to prepare appropriate
Resolutions of commendation for Dallas Rogers and Marilyn Gordon,
Sister City Foundation delegates,
PROCLAMATION FOR SISTER CITY WEEK
NOVEMBER 26 m DECEMBER 2
Mayor Krieger: If there are no objections, the week of
November 26 ® December 2 will be proclaimed
as Sister City Week.
(No objections.)
So proclaimed,
POLICY REGARDING CONTROL OF HARMFUL
AUTOMOTIVE EXHAUST EMISSIONS
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and
carried, that Council turn this letter over to staff for a report.
COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS
Mayor Krieger.- With regard to this Ad -Hoc Committee
on the Huntington Beach Freeway that
i ht b better to wait antii weadiges ou ht Pef s, ul� p ha s it
0 you lave any comment on i ? ies re or s. G ec man,
Councilman Gleckman:
No, I agree with you Mr. Mayor.
Councilman Gillum: On Wednesday I was privileged to
represent the City of West Covina at
the City of Riverside's First Annual
Breakfast This was iven b the Bo ster Group of Riverside and we
were treat d to a del�cious �reakfas� and taken out to the Riverside
Raceways. There was a very warm welcome by the Mayor of Riverside and
they were a very gracious host. We had a great time and we were told
this was going to be an annual thing each year, inviting officials from
the surrounding communities to participate in this breakfast.
Mayor Krieger.- Mr. Gillum, may I ask a question? It
has been sometime ago since we have had
Council, what is going on? any feedback on the Youth Advisory
Councilman Gillum: We received approval from the Covina
School District and sent the material
now because of the Holidays. uspenson
We®receiv dthem ldinformationbasicallyifrom thet is insofficeiof
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Page Thirty-seven
the Vice -President of the United States, and from the Los Angeles
District Attorneys office, and Mayor Yorty°s office on their
programs. It will be activated in January when they start a new
•semester, Hopefully it will be functioning right after the first of
the year.
Councilman Nichols: I don't have anything except to
inquire as to whether or not you might
presentation to the Planning Com818sl8nmakl Plaffn9FRSROdoan�Rffng
on that and I am curious,
Mayor Krieger: Yes, I attended the Planning
Commission meeting of November 15th
and 'at that time presented to each
member of the Planning Commission a signed copy of the letter adopted
by the City Council on the preceding Monday. Commissioner Mottinger
who had not attended that meeting but had drawn some impressions from
reading accounts in the paper expressed before reading the letter, his
concern about what he had heard. After reading the letter, both
Commissioner Mottinger and Chairman Adams and Commissioner Jackson
and Commissioner Mayfield, each commented that they greatly appreciated
the thoughtfulness of the City Council in going to the trouble of
preparing and submitting to them such a letter. They felt very good
about it and felt it cleared the air considerably in everyone's mind
having to do with the intent of this meeting. Just that night, in
fact, there had been a letter in the local paper where a citizen was
drawing her conclusions from the newspaper report regarding our joint
meeting rather than the facts, The Planning Commission was most
appreciative,,
Councilman Gleckman: I have a question regarding the letter
in our file of November 21, 1967, headed
�� "Notice of Intention to relinquish
Highway right -of -away, The only thing I get from this letter is that
they are going to give us back title so we can keep the streets
cleaned but they reserve all the right for ingress and egress,
In other words they are going to give us the maintenance factor and
still reserve ® where we have no control over the streets activity,
Am I correct?
Mr, Aiassa, City Manager:
Councilman Gleckman:
DEMANDS
We are going to make a report to you
on this,
Alright, I will hold off then.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the
City Council approve the payment of demands totalling $207,512.87
as listed on Demand Sheets B345 and B346 and payroll reimbursement
sheet. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Gillum,Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Snyder
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Mayor Krieger: The City Attorney has requested a
personnel session with the City Council.
A motion would be in order,
Councilman Gillum; I so move.
Councilman Gleckman: Second.
Motion carried. So ordered.
COUNCIL WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 10:45 P.M. RECONVENED IN
COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT-10:55 P.M.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and
carried, that there being no further business Council adjourn at
10:55 P.M.
ATTEST:
APPROVED
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