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07-17-1967 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE.ADJOURM RBGULAR.MTING OF THE CITY COUNCIL ,city op WEST 00VIN19 OiLIPORNIA' JULT Us, 196T. Theadjourned regular meeting of thaDity Council was called to ardor by Mayor Krieger at 7-37 Pm.o lu the West -Covina City Hall, Councilman Snyder led the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL Presents Mayor Krieger,, Councilmen Gillum, Nichols Snyder Councilman Glookman (Arrived,at 7s55 p.m.� Otheri Prazant,,, George'Aiassa, City Manager Harry William, City Attorney (Left early) Oven Mansrd, Planning Director George Zimmermian,-Ass0t, City Engineer LeLa Preston, Deputy City Clark Harry Peacooko Adminiatrative Aide Chief Allbn Sill James Kay,, Controller APPROVING AWARD OF REVENUR BONDS LOS ANGELES-COUNTY- WEST COVINA CIVIC CENTER AUT ' ITT (Verbal. report given by Mr. Powell, of stone & Youngberg) Mr Robert Powell Today the Board of the Los Angeles Stone & Youngberg County - West Covina Cirio Center San Prancisco Authority received bids for the purchase or a OTina,, spoo oilly the city Hall building, Three bids War* r4asived, Merrill-, Lynch Pierce .pe-nner & Smith AmBociates submitted a bid offering to -sq at an 9 P annual filverag: interest rate of 4 88;�%� White Weld & Company offered 4,9377%; and t Bank Of America 5,.120 W* examined these bido and calculated their interest rates as aghnaified, found all I to be correct Therefore, 'too, a andal , n &t f_6jgl'Rtjp,;bAt t�j,Board an %r no 7 Sp err Lynchp Pi@rQ8q Fmnner & Szit"t� Associ&t8s a@ Submitted. We c*lculatad based upon theInterest ates submitted a annuppl debt service ;1qu1rsd to s�Xp as atabonds. Reed upon thee& R 0� igur98 The average rent pa�`mqn bufficien't,to*9arvics the debt,, would be 02009400 per yea:r. You now,bave before you the resume of these bids -and the caloulation of debt service fOr each year,, The first twgysara intsrgNt only is funded from the proceeds of the bond'salsoo ThS first annual payment because dus.in Jul 1969 which would cover the first interest and principal of il-95984?.50. payment As you can 006'thO P.aYmgnta remain below $200t,000 for a niimber of, s*ars a -ad then gradually inar(sa6s, Based on our calculation@ the rental figure of 4200 400 will cover all of the rent&, payments and .all of the debt service ov"ar the entire life of the bonda. There will of course be interest earninge from invested funds.of the Autharity dUring, this time. Ther's may come a time at wbich partial rental payments will be waived, if the Authority ease* fit but I would assume based upon these figureathay will -establish the rs�ial payments of #2009400 The bids were somewhat bighery apprOximatsly 1-% higher than estimated. We are in the 'midst of a very b1th bond marketq last.wersk was the highest week of the year. We as Imated #198,000 would suffice, it tiamis out it is #20OC14.00, AlthougIZ the rates are high at this time all things considered you got what We. feel is a verl good bid There is. q,,xits a spread betwien the high bid and the low b dq 'apptoRmately #150,000 diffareaasj'� It our Opinion that the council should adopt tha res6lutiL of avl�da = 1 - 7-17-67 Page Two AWARD OF. -REVENUE BONDS Oantinued Councilman Nicholsi I didn't understand your statement relating to the matter*of repayment of the interest only. I understood you to Bay that in 1969 the first prinaipal and interest paymant would be made, in that correct? (Anowerg Yes.) On the schedule wa hava it shows 2 years of paT_k#nt8 of intorosst and iin the third year - 1070, shows a payment of principal and interest. Where have I misraad this? Mr. You will recall in the initial set up of the -funds, we would fund the first .2 years interest from the principal amount of the bonds or.approximately 0150,000 each year or 03009000 of the bond . proceeds will*be used for the fi--st 2 years. Th6 first rental payment will be made an July 1, 19699 thereby creating what amounts to a reserve in addition to.the one-half year reserve set up as part of the bond proceeds. You are paying in advance 1 ysar's rental. Before that year is over a part of that will have been used. Before the fiscal year 69-70 is over you will make your payment in July of 169, part of that will 'be used but the remaining fund when combined with the one-half year reserve fund established from the bond receipts makes up the reserve fund with the intent you will always be ahead on your payments. It was the 'intent that the City always be at least from 6 months to a year ahead w'.t]2 regards to the payments coming due in the following ye�ar. Mayor Krieger.- We also recognize the presenoe of Jess Harper., the Secretary of the Civic Center Authority. Mr. Harper is there any comment you would like to make? Nx. Harper-s Like most of them we thoUgtt it might be a little lower. I watched the boys check 0 the calculations and was am�azsd how they checked the, bids at the third and fourth decimal, and I was quite impreased with their speed and accuracy.. Mayor Krieger-. today and do you have any Mr. Hodgemang Mayor Krieger-, I also notice Mr. Hodgeman from 0 'Melva . ny and Meyers . is present. Have you had the opportunity to rOViSw this matter comments? make to the council before we Mr. Lippman-, Yes I have. I think everything is fine. Unfort9unatsly we can't control the interest rates. Finally I notice Mr. Li;pgan Chairman of the 8ivic Center Autho'rit,� is present, is there any comment you would care to take action? Thank.YOU Mr. Mayor - no comment. Maygr Kriegera. Fuxthar questions of Mr. Powell? As I remember, Mr. Zello-395 presentation,, although it was in the crystal ball gazillo area, . he felt we might anticipate a bid somewhere between 40 and 4-3/4 'This was some months ago and the market has certainly . been less than c9rtain. An the financial consultant on this matter,,, is your firm satisfied with the type of bid re.ceived? Mr. Powello, Yes, wo most certainly are.. Cgxplain4d tho. type of bond bid and the bond market.) We feel.in light of'to.day's market, the city a construction bids*raosived,, that you are in a very good position at this time to ask that the Authority issue these bonds d the project completg in orler to have d, We find no fault In 'these bonds whatsoever, - 2 - ADJ. C.C. 7-17-67 Page Three AWARD OF REVENUE BONDS - Continued Mayor Krieger*, We asked Mr. Zelles a question also at the time of the return on the construction bids and that was to correlate the relationship, if any, between the bids on the construction and the bids that we might anticipate receiving on the revenue bonds*. The successful bidder on the.construction contract was something like 11.9% lower than the architectb estimate. Could you draw us any figure comparison, what the equivalent of that type of a bid as related to the type of bid we received in our revenue bonds means Jin terms of 'the total project? Mr. Powello No, I am afraid I cannot. I don�t know what Mr. Zell6s's answer wasto you in that regard, but I don't feel there is any direct relationship between what type of bids you might receive with regard to construc,tion because they operate in an entirely different segment of the economy than we in the investment business do. When their business is good.it does not necessarily mean the bond business is good and -the Interest rates lower, in fact it could very well go in the opposite direction, The fact that you get low construction bids does not lead to the fact that you will get low interest rates also. We were pleased with the bids received, we would certainly like to see bett-er interest rates but the market is what it is today. We are at the highest market of the 'year. Obviously every dollar means a great deal, but we have a three million dol.lar project Pt stake and we have a Variance relatively speaking that iz slight 613 to the cost for you to readvertise for your construction bids or your bonds in 6 months from now. Councilman Nichols- Can you give us a figure that would represent on the -total amount of the bonds the amoV7at of the additional cost ,to -the Oity over the life of.the bonds -'at 1/4%2 Mr..Powell.,,, We had estimate based on a 1 4-3/4% 'there would b 830-000 interest cost. You came up with 42,9il,000 based on the higher-rate9-roughly $80,000 higher than -what we estimated. J% would amount to roughly $160,000 over the life of the bonds. Councilman Nichols,o Thank you. Wa, have a project of some three million dollars and because of conditions which you state might, probably go into -divergent direction5, that io bond costs being more dearer, construction costs being lower we received a bid of 1'1% under the beat .estimates available to -us on a three million dollar projecto which .rePr , GsezPto t1�Lr4a Ixamdred and some thousand dollars, so what you are t0- OlIng akfect is that the additional J% cost of increased bond 000t1s approximately half of the savings tha-t will aocrue through a Idwer bid. Is that correct? Mr,powelloo If there were a j%. Oounoilmannchois,o The thesis I am posing, is that when this aoumcil met or inally to discuss this matter we recelled a projection of the estimated cOBt of this project in dollars to build it. We received a proJ60tion of the estimated bond costs.. Those figures came to us at a time when we were deliberating the wisdom of this...prD-ject and we made a decision t ah ad based only on those figures we had at that time. Now in realit7gwoe heave come into a situation With a total bond,cost 4pproximately of $1609000 in excess of our original estimates, but we have come in with a construction bid representing a savings of over $300§000 of our original estimate. Now if my analogy i's oorreat I see in m .y mind that in. the total picture the costs to the taxpayers are in fact running less than we anticipated and if we waited for some'- m�thical time when bond costs might be less we -could very easilysee the .construction costs coming up far offsetting any savings we may realze. = 3 - ADJ. 0. C. 7-17-67 Page Pour 0 9 AWARD OF REVENUE BONDS - Continued Mr. POW91100 I think that goes without saying. Of course the determining factor is the principal amount of the bonds. An additional $300,000 on the principal ambunt will obviously add approximately,another 41509000 in interest alone just for the additional $300,000. So that is t1he number one determining.factor and the varying interest rates are related to that $150,000 by a few percent -so that the increment is much-sm'aller in regards to the variance inthe interest rate as opposed to the variance on the construction cost. Couneilman Nichols-0 I have.no further questions Mr. Mayor, and I believe all good wisdom would indicate that we.move ahead on this matter. (Councilman Gleckman arrived at:7855 p.m. Mayor Krieger advised him of 'the proceedings up to this point.) RESOLUTION NO. 3624 The Deputy City Clork-presentedso "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA APPROVING AWARD OF REVENUE BONDS OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY WEST COVINA CIVIC CENTER AUTHORITY." (Mayor Krieger asked Mr. Williams' if he had any comments he wanted to. make with regard to the Resolution. Mr. Williams advised that he would like to advise the council of the composition of the agreement, that is 'the wording that would be filled into tyhe now blank spaces of the agreement.. Mr. Williams verbally did so.) Mayor Kriager.0 Hearing no objection, waive further reading of the body of said resolution. Motion by Councilman Gillumq seconded by Councilman Gleckman, 'that the Council adopt said resolutiori. Mayor KziegpZ8 For 'the recor,4 Nx. powellg the insertions of'thesa interest payable semi-annually then come out to an average iAterest rate of 4.8834 %. Is 'that CoTMeot? (Answero Yes.) Any further questions or discussions on the reRplution? Roll call, please. I Notion ca;rtied on roll call vote as follows,, AYESO, Councilmen Gillum., Nichols, Glackmau, Snyder, Mayor Krieger None ABSENT& None. CONSTRUOTION.CONTRACT AWARD CITY HALL wnA W)T.T NGS Mayor Xrieger3 We have a staff report dated June 30, 19679 attached to which is correspondence from Aertrong Neptune & Thomasq and -an appendage from our City Attorney, Is there any comment. ?. .(None) Mr. Williams .... Mr. Williams, Ci . ty Attorney-, I would suggeet a motion to this general effect - that the City.COUnOil of the recommend to the Los Angelep City of West Covina approve and 0 County West Covina Civic Center Authority the acceptance 'f the lowest re6ponsible base bids, including alternatda Nos, 1 - 3 and 59 and excluding and rejecting alternates Nos. 2 and 4 to be ao'.Oepted and that based upon this premise the bid be awarded to - 4 - El 0 .AW. 0. C. , 7-1--67 Page Five CONSTRUCTION CONTRAOT AWARD CITY HALL and POLICE BUILDINGS - Continued ,A.-.e�tyo,n, a Division of Aerojet General Corporation, as the lowest responsible bidder on the bage bid wd alternates 1 - 3 and 5 exe,luding alternates 2 and 4. So moved by Councilman -Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried on roll call vote as followsS AYESo Councilken Gillum, Nichols, Gleckman, Snydero Mayor Krieger FOESs None ABSENTo. None (Mr. Williams, City Attorney, excused at 8sO4 p.m.) TITLE INSURANCE POLICY - WEST COVINA PROJECT ACTION BY PUBLIC AUTHORITY BOARD Informational Motioti by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, 'that this information be receivedand filed. LETTER FROM COUNTY ENGINEER RE. AWARD OF CONTRACT .FOR CITRUS MUNICIPAL COURTS BUILDINGS - Informational Motion by CO'Llucilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, that this report be received and filed. ANNUAL AGREEMENT WITH BASSETT UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT -__O0MMUNITY RECREATION PROGRAM Mayor Krieger,o We have before us the reportg a.formal agreement and a recommendation from the Recreation & Parks Departmentq requesting. that we approve the agre-ement with the Bassett Unified School District regarding the Community Recreation Program. So moved by Councilman Gleckmang seconded by Councilman Gillum, and 'L Carried on roll cali�vote as follows-, AYESo Councilmen Gillumg Nichols,.Gleckman, Snyder, Mayor Krieger ROES 0 None ABSENTQ- None A11ENDMENT NO. 81 - SIGN ORDINANCE R-EVISION HELD FROM Z11OZ6Z (Mayor Krieger,advised that this was held over from 7/10/67 with the public portion of the hearing closed. Mr. Alassa, City Manager, asked 'to be excused to attend,the Public Authority meeting, and stated Mr. Zimmerman, Ass1t. City Engineer would act in his place.) Councilman.Gle I Ckman,Q Mr. Mayor, I would like to speak to the fact of the Barber Poles. After doing a little further investigation I find that every Barber Shop inthe State of California is required to have a barber, pole.,,'It is Met a case Of 80mG having and some not having. I also find that the sign does not move and I believe this could be controlled administratively. The signifioance of the barber pole is to shcw when a sbap 'is open and when it is closed. I don't agree with the. RefNktathInt fitli Rf W, .a , _phfutttgvjght6jhgoje there jon't be a r u 0 0 y 0 es a 0 arbers t emselves.We laid that they have lost business and old customers pass them by thinking they are closed,, I think this to a necessity as well as a State tustitution. � 5 ADJ. C. 0. 7-17-67 Page Six A10NDMWT *NO. 81 - SIGN ORDINANCE - Continued Councilman Snyder: I would like to speak with regard to th�a entire Sign Ordinance revision. There has been a lot of discussion about the .,inadequacy of the Sign Ordinance and the necessity for revision but you go back 8 years to when the Sign Ordinance was drafted and there was lust as much controversy and I feel that the basic philo4hy built into the.Sign Ordinance at that time is one of thefactors that in some ways made West Covina a more attractive City to live in. You can go to many towns,, on their main street where they have no control over the signs . you can't see the buildings for the signs because each sign is trying to outdo the others. This new revision was instituted partly from legitimate, but in most cases, not legitimate complaiAte, over the last 4 years and partly because of the many requ�p 'for v' .Is we had ariances, but prior to this time we always felt that by holding the line --on the sign Ordinance and attempting.to stick within the limitations of the Sign Ordinance that we gave every merchant a fair and equal exposure and maintained a better appearing town. In particular I don't think this new revision liberalizes or opens up the Sign Ordinance with the exception of the ratios as proposed by the Planning Commission. I would have no objection to the proposed 0-1 ratiop however the G-2 ratio of 3 to 1 proposed, I disagree with. The C-2 is not by nature a regional shopping center. I feel itshould have a 2.5 to 1 ratio, and the 0-3 the 3 to 1 ratio. The reason for this is these different types of commercial centers are of different intensity of commercial type sales and therefore the purpose of their signs is to attract a different type of customer. So the size -and ratio of signs should be in proportion to the type of -customer they are attempting to attract and the region from which that customer is coming. To open the C-2 up to the 3 to 1 ratio the same as the C-_3 is again not in keeping with-the.intensity and density of each commercial area, In regard to granting -a full ratio on detached signs on each side,, I feel this gives a greater advantage to new detached signs than allowed in the past, and I would like­te-see. us strike a-compromlse herep perhaps somewhere between allowing half the allowable ratio on one side to half way between allowing 100%. Say 75% of the allowable ratio on each side, which would be a compromise between openingit up to the full size on each side. ' The one other thing that I think would be very difficult to implement is the consideration of having.the landlord sign the permit when -the sign permit is issued. One of the major complaints was the difficulty in,gettin* .9-signs and if somebody comes in for a sign and the landlord iB-out of town or inaccessible then it is going to make it more difficult for the applicant to obtain a sign. The abatement procedure written into the Sign Ordinance at present seems adequate. As far as, Barber Poles,, I don't, know dnything about the State Law-, I do feel if we allow rotating barber poles we at least open up..an argument for a variance on other types of moving signs. I disagree with you that it hurts their business not having a moving barber pole,, I was not aware that anybody had barber poles around town. descendin Speaking in particular to the ratio, the .g ratio in the commercial areas and -.also perhaps some sort of a compromise on the allowable operation on double faced detached signs. Mayor Krieger-, Let me. : see if I can focus on our discussion to date. It seems to me�there has been ­,no. serious discussion by the Council on Planning.Commissi-on Re -solution No. 1966 except in four distiact. areas. One raised by our City Attorney and that is what legal distinctiQ:4, 6 ADJ. 0. C� 7-17-67 Page-Sevem REP. XT No. �81 - .31 N ORDINANCE - Continued is going to be drawn between -the- advertising, sign and the identifying-, sign. The second being the allowable dimensions on a double faced sign. Thelthird being the controls of abandoned signs and the enforceability of such enforcement,, and fourth, is the status and future of moving signs, with particularemphasis on Barber Poles as a type of sign, and Time and Temperature and public service type of signs. If this is a fair summary of the items we are'discussing specifically by this Oouncilq then I would.sugge-st, if this is the case, we take these items and try and arrive at a consensus of this council. First of all, Mr. Menard, has there -been any Staff action on the definitionof distinguishing an identifying and a:a advertising sign? Mr. Menard, Planning Direatoro, I felt from what the City Attorniey said at the last meeting.that we -would submit this to him for his clarification and he would change the termino�ogy, -but we have not done this as yet. Mayor Krieger-, There has been no discussion between you and the Oity Attorney since a week ago? Mr. Menardq Planning Director-. NO. Mayor Krieger-, This is ex. item we will probably have to hold in reservatien, which is probably a more technical qUestion than a matter of draftmanship for the council. With regard to �thS,mattex of- 4d.-mb-le -The. aatioAi of the -2-lannimg COmmissionD -as. it. -has to_us., T-89ardleas of what the final ratio is decided an for a one faced sign'that would be the total MaXimum square footage allowance for a double faced sign. Is that correct? Xr-.­*enardp Planning Directo-ro, 0 Correct Mr. Mayor. (Mayor Krieger then asked the -councilmen to each state his opinion in, order to attempt to arrive at a majority opinion on each question.) Councilman Gillumoo I feel that it was brought out in testimony on the detached or double faced signs that they are expensivp.. As I understand it and if I am correct we do have control over issuing double faced signs. In other words I am saying I don't think anyone could come in and -request one v-1thout our knowledge or approval and I feel you can see,03a side of the -sign at a time and if we riestrict them in size because it is a double faced sign than I think we are restricting them. as if we were restricting the regular sign on the front of the building. I for one would like to see -the ratio an' double faced signs the same as it is for a sign in that particular zone. Mayor Krieger-O The same per face? Councilman Gillum.- Yes, the same per 'face. I feel there are many places a double faced sign is building and circumstances of required because of the location of the .this type. I feel if W do say - because it is a double faced sign we hestrict you. I feel w4eare penalizing t4a merchant in that area. Councilman Nicholss Mr. Menard, please oo*raot me if I a'm-not Correct. If I am allowed hypothetically 150 square feet for a sign on the front of the building and I want to bring out a detached sign because of some - 7 - ADJ. 0. C-- 7-17-67 Page Eight AKENDMENT -10. 81 - SIGN 9RDINA101 - Continued condition and I put that sign out in front of the building 151 for some reason and I have a one faced only use, is it correct that I am allowed to put a sign of 150 square feet detached on,that basis? Mr. Menard, Planning Directoro, I thir�c this was,the intent and . I am just consideringl'aaw exactly the language to make sure th 0 intent to there. (Read from the proposed sign ordinance.) Councilman Nichols-, Now according to that interpretation then -I eould.move the sign out 201in front of a building facing one way with a sign on one side and have a 150 square foot sign. If.I took that sign now because traffic,, came the other way. -and turned the sign so It was perpendicular to the building, I have not changed the size of the structure of the sign at all,- have I! And persons coming from one direction can see the writing.on the -sign I have created to advertise my property but people coming from another direction would see just a big backside.- on one side - of the sign. I for one,, gentlemen,, cannot see what is more attractive about . the backend of a sign with nothing on it or a sign that has lettering on 'bath sidea. In either event the size of the structure is the same. The bulk that is blotting out the land - so -ape is the same. Lnd no human being can see but one face at a time so two faces can be no more abnoxicms than one oi the other, so therefore to say that one man could erect a sign detached and put words on one side of it and therefore be allowed to have twice the gize in bulk than the man that wanted to erect a detached sign and put words on both sides of itq I cannot see. To me there is ultimately no logic in that kind of reasoning at all. So it would be my position that in the allowing of a detached sign that whatever -footage is granted as the maximum -footage for exposure in terms of signage should be allowed on both faces of the sign. Councilman Snyder,-, It is quite true -you can't see two faces of a double faced sign and it perbapq is no more offensive in that way, but however the man is allowed a detached signas--compared to one that puts it on -the front of a buildirg has -a -double advantage because his is not perpendicular, it is seen from both directions and , since you are. recommending he be allowed his. -full ratio 'the sign is.much larger. Now I agree with you that*the-other compromlse of course, if what the Planning Commission recommends - is that the allowable space be divided between the two fronts and I am.offering you a compromise of half -way between or 75% of the allowable on each side, which would out down the advantage this man has over the person that is not allowed a detached sign. If you are going to use logic and there are all degrees of logic, from TigtianAlization to truth, you can't by any stretch of logic Vay that the man that has a double faced sign pointing both Vays does not'have an advantage ever the man who has a parallel sign on the front of his - building,, And why should we grant a full sized sign pointing both ways to one person and not another? You are giving an.unfair advantag6 to that one man and opening up an argueable point -for variance to everybody else that has, to put their signs parallel. Councilman Gleckman-. The one thing I think we are trying...-io.- accomplish is be fair and equitable and somethin at the same time give the merchants g they can live with. The rec-ommendation-of a full size on both sides came from the Chamber of Commerce and' -'they are the merchants of this community. I am sure they would not propose soinething they would think is not fair to some merchant, because they are composed mainly of merchants. that have..rsignS. on the -front of their buildings -and if anybody was going to be affecte . d by this it wo-uld be the merch�nts that voted or recommended to thj-s. 00,M n__.and..thJ_s_...Co_uncjl. that- they have. full a1dee on both sides and. I ca-Wiss1o, n t think of why they would ask for inequities that would hurt them more than anybody coming into the city in the future,, - 8 - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Nine AENDMENT No. 81 - SIGN ORDINANCE - Continued So as far as I am concerned I agree with Councilman Nichols and I also go along with the recommendation of the,-Chamber-6f.-Commer-ce. Councilman Snyder-, Well I will have to talk more because as I said I was around when this sign ordinance was born and it was born in - as much controversy and with a great deal of belief in what we were doing. In my opinion over the years the appearance in this City has born out what we believed in then. Again just because the Chamber of Commerce, and the Chamber of Commerce does not represent all the' merchants of this City - they are supposed to represent the merchants attitude but again if you can..explaii:to. me.how.you-..are not giving7an added advantage to the person who is allowed a detached sign with , the full ratio on each side over the person who has to have a parallel sign, then I might go along with you. I am willing to compromise. . Mayor Krieger: The whole purpose of the detached sign Is to apply rules of equity to a situation which is.not equitable. I would tend to go along with you Dr. Snyder, except for what is written into the pro,p osed ordinance and which is carried over and that is a stringency', as far as justification to concerned, before a person can qualify for a detached sign and which would only be allowed when the buildin,g.�.lj=ation or topographical location varied or other like ' circumstances precluded the use of a sign on the building, but must have explicit approval as to the necessity, size and location of either the Planning Director-, the Planning Commission, or,the City Council. I think there are built in obstacles to the qualification of a detached sign. If the applicant can qualifyin terms of the re . quirements for a detached sign then I think we get down to the question of commonsense' and that is how are yougoing to apply the formula you set up to. provide him with the same�type of advertising you are allowing anyone else. And then it seems to me you would get down to fundamentally a line of site question and that is what is the motoring or pedestrian seeing when they look at the sign, and I can't see where it is inequitable if they are seeing the same amount of square footage for a - detached sign as they are seeing for an overall square footage for a pa,rallel sign. Councilman Snyder: It is inequitable for several reasons. You can't see a parallel sign in mo-st cases until you are almost directly parallel with it. The detached sign., eventhough the man's store may be behind another store and is allowed"this because of that, his sign shows up further down the street then those people in front who have to have a parallel sign. So it is inequitable from that standpoint. He has an -advantage over the people in front of himp because they can see As- sign a block away and they don't see the one parallel to them right there. He has that one advantage so to make it fair we reduce.the-size.of it.. The size of the reduction is not so great that It does not make his sign noticeable because betng parallel it is still more noticeable in view of the fact that it�blocks out the view, In fact that is another inequity. The detached sign can block out the view from the motorists coming down the street Of the parallel, s1gn..th&t it obstructs. - Councilman Gillum-, lftgb! we can do away with detached signs CmIneilman Snyder-. -Obvi-Ously you can't do away with detached signs completely. Councilman Gillum-, I don't think you . can handicap them. I don't think the.wverage person in this town can tell the difference between 75 and 100% difference in sign size. I think there is a built in safeguard - 9 - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Ten AMNDMENT_ NO. 81 - SIGN ORDIVANOE - Continued as Mayor Krieger pointed out. Each one of these have to come up and show good cause and reason why they should big granted this. Councilman Snyder,o If I.had a hardware store in a shopping center or any other type of store, and I had to have a 3 to 1 ratio in the front of my building and another store competing with me in the back and he is allowed a detached sign because he is in the back and he gets the same type of size in signa e stickt�` up next to the curb showing both 9 Ag ways, you can't tell me he doesn't have an advantage over me. Councilman Gillumo, Dr..Snyder if they drive across your place to get to his, then you are not doing- the job you should be, because when they drive past that sign they are going to drive right past yourso Councilman Snyder,-. But they can see his a black away. Councilman Gillum-, But they are driving right past your place, his,is behind yours. If you are going to use that for an example. Councilman Snydero, I don't agree with you.. I also don't trust,, even though detached signs have to-be.placed by permission of the Planning Departmentp Planni4g Commission or City Council - I don't agree with yo;; that commonsense always rules at any three levels. Sometimes It is the power player who has the most influence or. who can argue the best. 10 Mayor Kriegerso This has always been true nf a variance too, Dr. Snyder. If you.left the ordin e exactly as it was and if these are the ground rules and the people :%Cting on the Planning Commission or City Council t4e-y can influence the same way in granting a variance. Councilman Snyder - That is my argument - commonsense is a relative t�hing,._ Mayor Krieger: Is there further.discussion on the double faced signs? Let's start a discussion on the controls. We have on Page 10, paragraph 17, the subject of the abatement of signs. Specifically, within the C.- zones,, but it carries forth in the other zones - "it shall further be the responsibility of the property owner and the land owner to remove any sign or signs on premises abandoned -for a ieriod of over 60 days" - I believe"the Chamber of Commerce came in with herecommendation on this particular matter, that there be a requirement that the landlord sign on the permit for the sign. Councilman Gillum-,. Wasn't 'there some questi,on on -the legal --e-nf-drasment of this action? I may be wrong.... Mayor Krieger-.. As I understand from Mr. Williams, there was no legjal problem but there was a practical question raised as to.the mechanics of it. Councilman Gillum-, I wasn't sure, but I do know of quite a few -signs in the Cityp 0&0 rather -large that is standi a todai and I am not sure who it belongs to or who is responsible for but believe it is -an area we should give serious consideration to and if it is possible to tie the -pro SM owner to thisaart of he shn g7dinance We now e require sucK t, ngs as weed aba em he i t e property owner and I think this falls under the . same cate�ory. It is a problem created lQ ADJ. 0. C. 7-17-67 Page Eleven AMNDMENT-NO. 81 - SIGN ORDINANCE - Continued within the City and I think it is the property owners' responsibility to see that this doesn't exist. Councilman Nichols,o Qan_certa�nly conceive of some problems that will aris** when a gentle- man comes before the City and requests a permit -to erect a sign and he says the landlord is in New York City or some other distant location. Because this might. -Well involve a considerable delay, which would work a hardship on kbusinessman'that would legitimately be - through no fault of his - '., unable to comply with our requirements promptly. I con.r-ur that we have a problem in this area but I haven't hpard anyone come forth with any device or approach that would perhaps..meet'�his problem, other than this suggestion to hold the landlord responsible, I think in the final analysis that.probably if the businessmen were required to have the sign permit taken out by two people that he could.,- in a matter of urgency in the vast majority of cases, reach-tEe landlord for a joint signature om the.application.so although I do recognize the limitations of this as a device, I think I would be inclined to go along with this prQvis_Ja#,,1n view of nothing bettef on the horizon.. Councilman Gleckmano 0 1 want to ask the City Attorney a few questions - let's say for example you would have an abandoned sign- and that sign would fall across the building and hurt somebodyg who would be legally responsible? I think it would be the property owner and I think he has an obligation right there, not only for the safeness of the sign but the method proposed by the Planning Dep.aLrtment. I don't think the Planning Department in its. recommendation.�Sald._:that the landlord . shd:vld be on it, the recommendation from the Chamber was that the land- lotd should be on the permit. I would like to -see the landlord be on it with the idea that within 90 days after the sign goes up that the signature must be in and in that way no businessman would 'have any excuse for Yaot getting the signature either of the landlord of his legal representative. Councilman Snyder:. It is my understanding -that this provision - "it shall further be the responsibility of the property owner 61 the'land-'.and/or provision to remove any signs or sign'abandoned for a period of over 60.days" - is adequate as stated, and I don't Pink we need the city attorney here to give us an opinion whether it is adequate as stated," (Mayor Krieger asked that the Oity.Attorney be called back into th6 meeting - Mr. Aiassa advised that he left the building as he had to be in attendance in another City.) Councilman Snyder: If somebody wanted to open a new'b'usiness tomorrow and.the sign being so important or seeming so important, ,, the businessman and one of the o'wners of the Plaza is in Russia - hi" to . sign? I so how do you get W. Mayor Krieger-, Dr. Snyder, that is exactly the,absentee- landlord that we are most concerned about and I.think we have to build into our Sign Ordinance something to tiehim directly in. Councilman Snyder: I have a question - isn't this adequate in itself? Ma,vqr Krieger: -In-my J,4dgment it ismot, but -that is In -my- judgment. * -If you.walkad -ito, a statignery store and buy the cheapeat lease you can, or if'you'­goln and haie-a lease drafted specifically for your building, as a property owner you will find a provision in ' language either simple or quite involved, which says the tenant will not ADJ.*C. C. 7-17-67 Page Twelve AMENDMENT No. 81 - SIGN ORDINANCE - Continued construct or install without the consent of the landlord" - tfiis-is from the simplest to the most complicated type of legal drafting. Now here is a situation where the landlord wants to exercise some control over the type of,signage installed by the tenant on his building and I am saying that it is perfectly proper for us to say that's alright but as far as the City is concerned when your tenant comes to us you join in that application, and the mechanics of the consent of the joiner will lead to the relationship between the landlord and tenant, but you join in this thing so we have on file an application signed by -you oi your authorized agent so if there is a-vlo-lation or an abandonment as a matter of public record you are a signator of this and,have. undertaken the.�legal obligations of the code - so that you don't have the absentee landlord come in and say "now wait a minute, -not only shall I.not be a paxt of this type of aprovision but I didn't even approve - of.that sign.,hat the tenant put up to begin with and he was in violation of the lease by putting up the sign so I am not bound...." Councilman Snyderoo Let's look at it from the public relations viewpoint. One of the arguments of the Chamber of Commerce has been that there were instances of business refusing to come into West -Covina because they were not allowed the proper size of signs4 Now obviously they are inferring that our sign ordinance has kept business out of the City because of the difficulty of getting signs, so if you are going to add this added difficulty of getting signs having to get the landlords signature you are putting one more obstruction and you are adding to our public relations.area, in fact the ordinance as written is probably adequate to handle this. But I think this is a.bigger factor than the legal factor, the public relations factor. Councilman Gillum: Dr. Snyder, I sometimes would like to have the names of some of these companies that si�,n-ordinance and if I did would not come to the City because of our I would be glad to give them to you. Councilman Snyder: I, for one., can't believe this was the only consideratlon.... Councilman Gillumo, No. but this was one of the considerations and you kept referring.to the sign ordinance drawn up years ago when the - City was a small bedroom community. Things change, business -atmosphere changes and you can see them.building all around West lavina-today. I am not proposing.a sign ordinance that would make the City look like Gardena or a place of that type, but I do think the -City is going to have to take a serious lookq which I think.this is, and make some changes in our sign ordinance to. attract this business - when they can.,go all around us and draw the tax dollar out of the City.. Regardless of this thing bein ga handicap for the property -owner to come in and sign -for a sign that is.,a minor point, they have to siZn leases and other'legal.. documents .-before pe.o.ple can,.take - over --a. huildimg.,... I...don't believe this is going; to be� any- hand-loap -W-hatsoe.vex just- one- mo-r-e sign-ature. Councilman Snyder: believe and believe strongly going to open up for further., it will look like Gardena. Councilman Gillum-, slipulders. -I d n't believe.that this ordinance, as written here, is going to make our City look like Gardena or El Monte. I do that taking the first direction that way is loosening of the sign.ordinance and eventually I think this is up to the Planning Commission and Council that we have at that time. The responsibility is on their Councilman Snyder: That is true but everything ou attempt to- -do. whem you, ae-t a. policy �y -or.dinanc-e is... tnh,.::attemp.t totset an e:F-am-nle for other councils to follow. Whether ey do or no you don t-know. 12 ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page -Thirteen AMENDMENT-10. 81 �:, SIGX:'ORDIIA�X, S' - Continued 9 In my opinion you are loosening this too much and making way for it to be opened further. Councilman GillumS. Councilman SAyders, Mayor Kriegers are talking about a requirement now have. Councilman Snyders, M4yor Kriegers. type -signs. I -don't think requiring the property owner to sign it is loosening it ..... We:are only talking about one 000000 This is what:we are talking.about. We are .xot t4lking *about loosening the ordinance but about tightening it. We that is a tighter Gontrol than what we Well I think this one Is too tight. Themext item is th question of moving signs or restrictM to barber polesp time and temperature and public service Councilman Gillum,o This is the only one I haven't come to a decision on Mr.. Krieger. I am concerned is it legally possible to restrict it to barber polep? In a sense it is a rotating -sign and I am not sure in my mind if we pan restrict It to..barber poles o-nly6 I brought this up last time and again I think this would be up to the discretion of the Planning,Department, Planning Commission or City Council. I am not sure that I could actually give you an opinion on barber poles. , Mayor Kriegerso This point -was raised last week. I read to Nro Williamov the comments made by Mr. Terzian to the Planning Commission. I gathered that ltr�.,Williams_disagreed with Mr.-Terzian's opinion to the extent that he found that if there is a fixed and reasonable standard of application you could legally distinguish one type of sign from another but you could not merely restrict it to a professional group and say by virtue of your profession you might have a moving sign or something within something that moves., But he did raise a legal q_u9stion of. draftmanship as to how you could define and in what langua ' ge you would define the discussion of a sign that was permissable.and exclude those signs that were not permissable by definition. , Councilman Gillum-, The main thing that concerns me and which happens. to allgovernment bodies - in the.past we tried to write an ordinance that protects and we have found in the past that someone discovers a loop hole and we open the floodgates. There are many, signs that rotate in different places in the country that we restrict in this City. I honestly can't see the difference it would make with the barbers if the sign rotated or not. I am *Ieconeerned about what this would open up as far as rotating. and animated signs. Councilman Nicholss, My own barber is one of the senior barbers in the City, well versed with the City - structure and quite near the Civic Center and almost invariably during my visitations there makes some passing. commeuts-on the public signs of the times and he has made no comment on the signs with.regard to the barber poles, so I- don't think he.has any. great. or strenuous feel1_=_..,a.bGut it, or I believe he wou3A have mentioned it I believe 1here-are some.s.igns I don't know whether you would classify them as public service signs, tut there aresome signs that just could not function unless they move. Gertainly the temperature sign would be that wayo the sign which is a clock obviously would,be that way and yet these signs are relatively rare and -have been handled on the basis of a varia;ice and certainly a.dign of this type would be able to S 13 - [A 0 ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Fourteen AMNDMEN-_ NO2 81 Continued present the showing for'a variance so they would be able to decide whether they would be able to operate it or not. The barber pole I would hold to the position that I would go along.with the.staff recommendation that this portion of the ordinance remain unchanged. Councilman Gleckman: I still feel and I know Councilman Gillum didn't mean it for this, but I still feel we are being nine years antiquated on this - and I will leave it go at that. Councilman Snyder-. I azj(161 to find out the source of Councilman NicLhols political philosphy, but I -agree with him on barber. poles. I do want to.make a comment on the - time and temperature signs.. I feel these are in order, but I don't think you should use the term "by variance" because technically and legally this is not the proper way to do it under the variance as it has been interpreted because if we could place them under the special us.e permit or some place like that in the Sign Ordinance - but I would be against --the variance approach. Mr., Menard,, Planning Directoroo. I.kno.w of no other way than by variance. Mayor Krieger: Well, I would go along with the member of the council that spoke out against the barber pole or any type of animated sign. I feel that - as Dr. Snyder stated, there should be some mechanism other than a variance that would permit those publieservice signs such as�the time -and temperature, to come in and qualify. I don't think there is any basio.disagreement on that point. There does�sesz to be some question as to the barber pole opening up that end of the ordinance and I would not be in favor of opening that possible Pandora's box. I think it would raise some very serious questions as to interpretation and enforceability.and the charges.of discrimination to application. Councilman Snyder: interest that- do not follo Ordinance - that there be a you would call it, possibly think of another one right, May I suggest perhaps there ought to -be a mechanism in the Sign Ordinance regarding not.only time. and temperature, ...but other signs of general community specifically within the boundaries of the provision in here for - I don't know what a special use permit type of sAgn. I can't now, but there are other types.. (Discussion on the types of signs that might be considered public use signs.) Councilman Snyder: I am talking about the future, the unforeseeable type of sign that we can't quite think of ri * ght now. If we should have a public auditorium, it might t,4volve a special type of sign that would not fall under the provinces of this ordinance Mayor Krieger: I would suggest on that score that might be better identified to refer �bat special matter�back to the Planning Commission for suggestions and drafting and submission to the council and we could then consider it. (Mayor Krieger gave a rundown as to how the councilmen were deciding on the different -issues involved. Councilman Snyder.called attentio.n.to o.Ae more item that was not yet discussed - the sliding scale ratio.) Councilman.-Smy-der: 2 to l.for the C-1; 2.5 to 1 for C--2; and 3 to 1 for the C-3. -The C-1 is a neighborhood shopping center. The C-2 is - 14 - ADJ - 7-17-67 Page Fifteen SIGN.ORDINANCE - Continued essentially the neighborhood shopping center but of higher and more intense use. The 0-3 is a shopping center of even more intense use and I.think their signage should be related to sign. The recommenda- tion here is for 2 to 1 in 0-1 and they give the same in 0-2 and 0-3 a,nd by its very nature the C-2 is more.related to 0-1, so I thought we might strike a compromise which makes more logical sense. (Councilman Gleckman asked Mr..Menard for the locations of C 3 shopping centers in the City of West Covina. The different centers were mentioned whether in 0-2 or C-3.) I :- Councilman Gleckman.- If we had the majority of our shopping centers zoned C-3 I would go along with you,, but what you are saying - Eastland becaus,e it is zoned C-3v the Old Center because it is.zoned C-3 and the area around the Eastland Theatre because it is zoned C-3 - they, should have 3 to 1 - if you agree with the 3-1 philosphy; and the Plaza, Esko, and Thriftyma t and some of these other shopping centers should only have 2.5 to 1. Councilman Snyder-, I am talking about the usage. The Plaza is a regional shopping center. Councilman Gillumg Dr. Snyder May I read you from the Ordinance on C-2 and C-3 as far as. signs are concerned? Under C=3, which was Ordinance.913,, dated 3-22-65 it says - "signs-permitt-ed in 0-3 shall be limited to,the provisions in this.charter pertaining to signs in C-2" so we have had the same sign ordinance in C-2 and C-3 in the past. Councilman Snyder-, That doesn't make it right. Councilman Gillum: I.wasn't-here in 3=22-65, so I can't argue that part of it, but now you are going to come along and change it and m4ke a difference between C-2 and 0-3 and I.can't see it. Councilman Snyder: They are different zoning, aren'.t thdy? Councilman Gillum: Well I can't tell when I am -driving from one to the other right now. I know where they are but if I drive from bie to the other it isn't that apparent. There isn't a sign that says have C-2 and we have C-3. We have C-3 right now next to C-2. 06uncilman Snyder-, We are attempting.to identify ourselves as the Headquarters City - it seems to me then that we should have a way of identifying your -regional from -your neighborhood shopping cent ' ers which necessarily would impress on the ccoscious mind of the customer by the'-� size of the sign. Councilman Gillum: The average person -couldn't tell You the size of one sign from another. Councilman Nichols: I would go along with the position I took last week, which was to support the Chamber's recommendation to go to the uniform size of 3 to 1. Mayor Krieger: This is also the recommendation of the Planning Commission, of course, as far as the ratio was concerned. Councilman Nichols: The Chamber's recommendation is somewhat different than the Planning Department's. - 15 - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Sixteen AMENDMENT No. 81 --SIGN-ORDINANCE - Continued - Mayor Krieger,* Their recommendation on C-2 was 3 to 1, and on C-1 no change, and on C-3 it was 3 to 1. From the comments madeq there again would be four councilmen in favor of the standardization of the ratio on the 0-2 and C-3 zone. One councilman speaking for a different:bLtion between the 0-2 and the 0-3 of � of a sqaure foot. So I believe a motion would be in order. Motion by Councilman Snyder that the signs in the nature of T'ime and Temperature,' or of.general public interest, or that'do. not fall within the provisions of this,Sign-Ordinance as writteng that they be referred back to the Planning Commission and staff,.fOr the drafting of a technique of acquiring svich signs under a Special Use�Permlto within the provisions of the Sign Ordinance. Councilmah qnyder.o These type of signs would have to go to the PlRnning Department, or. -Planning - Commission before being approved. What I am attempting to'get;,away from is the variance approach. Mdtioxi secoAded.-by'l-Councilman Gleckman, and carried.: There were no obJections. MotIon by..Counc`1 Nichols that the.Couricil.'approve the -Planning, Commission— Res'a-lution No. 1966 with the exception that in the applicable sect16ns.that the-recommendationzon detached signs be modified to read - "that the same footage allowedfor a building front or facing.sign,should be allowed on both -faces of.-a4y approved detached sign, and.exciept-that or relative to the issuance of a sign permit that a requirement be included.that the legal owner of.the premises:upon which the sign,is.�to be located, be r"equired'.to become a joint party by signature to the application for the sign within 60-days of the date of initial issuance of the permit to erect the sign." And that, the staff be directed to meet with the City Attorney in order that the differentiation between the two types of signs thAt is advertiswng and identifying, be accomplished in the Ordinance. Councilman' Nichols,o I amend my motion to include "landlord and/or legal owner or his represented legal agent.. Motion seconded by. Councilman Gillum., and carried., -'on roll call vote as follows-. AYE S Councilmen Gilluni, Nichols, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger NOES,- Councilman,gnyder ABSENT., None I* (MAYOR KRIEGER DECLARED A RECESS AT 9,., 10 to 9.-,20 p.m.) - 16 �- ADJ. C. C. 7--17-67 CITIZEN'S ENGA(37ED 'IN ANTI-CRINIE EFrORT Page Seventeen Mayor, Krieger,,,, Two regular neetings ago we rec.ef.,ved a report frorn Ch-ief SJOI da.ted, J-une 1, 1967, and we indicat- ed at that time we wanted an adjo-ii-rned reg-ular meeting to receive a full report. Chief Sill is with us this evening to give us a report. .(Chief Sill presented a vis-ua.l pre.�sentation with regard to The proposed. program called C.E.A.C.1E. He displayed. charts c.overing the problem of a. crime ra-te within the CIty of West Clovin,��, and the met -hod of operating C.E.A.C.E. , if the program were instigated, in. the C�Ity.) 1\4.ayor, Krieger' Is there anything further the staff wishes to present on- this matter at. th1s time? Dur.;Lng- the rece,ss, I was addressed by cerfain, individuals here this evening who have indicated, their des-1-Te to address the cauncll on this subject. I explained to them this is not a Public Hearing 31',tem, 10: appears as an item on our adjourned regular meef.ing because the council d1d receive the subject- matter at. a regular meeting and wanted greater time to devote to it. I indicated tha.t: I would have to ob-tain from the counc-ld a-��,� to whether or not the couricil wo-ald want to receive remarks from the publ,7,c t=`.ght. Councilman. Snyder- Mr. Mayor, may' L'lask a quesvt1on ? Perhaps this w flI fc f �restall some furt.her comments. The article in the Times Andica-ted thi.s is to go a little further- than. outlined by Chief Sill. Yc-.a rnade no allusion,. to the fact of the people reporting in their neighborhood with regai.d, -ro their neighbor's activities. .Is this part of the program? Chief Sill. That is, one of the things we would have to do in the educational session we nave with the interested. people,, so they would recognize incidents wh1ch may be a little out of line in their, area. . It isn't the intent fl-n-at they report on, their neighbors but on people who are not necessarily their neighbors . The example I would use - we have had an. unusual. n�umbar of colored television tbefts Ln this vicinity. If oomeone would happen. to �see a truck moving tip and down a street on a number of s occasions it might be a good idea for them to call the Police DeparLlment and have us send. a car down in the area to investigate and see -111 the person belongs in the area. Counc-diman Nichols. Mr. Mayor - the item was not scheduled. as a dis c-us sion item , therefore the public -.in g eneral is rict invited to come here, this evening and offer a commentary and, therefore th.ose that did not recognize thl-s as a hearing, item did riot come. I think it wo ' uld place other, people at a d1sadi,,antlage, no matter, how they might feel about this matter, if this were opened this evening- ir,,Ata a public discuss.ion forum. If this is the des.1're of the council. to p,,jrsue this rnatter further it would be totally appropriate to entert-ain the opinions of the people., bu+C I think an. evening, should, be devoted. when ir is proper for it. I don't think tonight would be, we have had a faIrly long agenda so far and I would not favor openir-�,g this up to become a public fa -rum this evening on, this first public ou."LlAine by the Chief. - 17 - 0. 0. T-11 -6T Page Eighteen C.BOA.G.B. - Continued Councilman Gillumo. I would support Mr. Nichols in his thinking. I think -we should give all the peoplethe opportunity to express themselves for or against and I think there would be some feelings on the part of the public if they had. strong feelings for or against and were not given an opportunity to express themselveso If it -is -the majority opinion of the council I would like to see this expressed at a public hearing. I read the article in the paperp and I don't wish .to express my feelings at thi ' s time on itg one way, or the other. I think it should be held for a public hearing and a date set on it -if it is 'the desire of the majority of the council. Councilman Gleckmano I have been gone for a week and I was - not aware of the article until I saw it in the mail tonight, I agree with Councilman Nichols. Counoilman. Snyder-� I am not sure that a public hearing is even necessary, but obviously there are some people that want to say something on this and it is quite true that probably only one side is here tonight. I think later a public hearing would be more appropriate. Mayor Krieger.- I would tend to think in light of what if comments the council has said that were received 'this evening on this subject matter from those in attendance that of necessity and fairness we - would- have to hold the matter over to make sure there was an equal opportunity given to anyone else that was generous enoughto give their time to come down and make their presentation. However, I think- that -we do owe it �o anyone who desires to address the council on this subject matter to be given that opportunity. The proposal in 'this instance from the Chief of Police, although we have not gone into questioning the Chief as to where the program comes from and we will find�some public interest in that respect too. A motion would be in order for a date certain with sufficient time for publication of notice by the City Clerk. Councilman Gleckmano. Mr. Mayor, prior to a motion of that : type, I would think, before this could be diselissed intelligently by people and making certain comments, thatthis program that is being -introduced by:. Chief Sill would have to be more detailed so that people could speak to specific details rather than a pUlosphy, because I can see where they are going to take their own interpretation of what. we are trying to do. and make a mountain out of a molehill, and I don't think the city council should be a sounding board for something we don't know . what we - are sounding about6 I would like to see what is bei% pro mosed here iz& much more detail prior to it being opened *to a public ear q;. I know if I were to spealt on the subject right now I couldn't call it go-od, bat. or indifferent. It is just not detailed enough for me to discuss. Mayor Krieger - There are two ways to get detail, one 18 to ask questions and the other is to g1vo instructions. I don't assume from 'the comment the'Chief made that there is anything further he has to offer at ,this point, is 'there? (Answer by Chief Sill: No.) So it is a questiom of interrogating as to what you want to know, or g1ving instructions as-. to what you want,detailed. Councilman Snyder,- I would agree with kr. Gleokman. All vs have is aVoutline here. There is a way: of getting da_t_4�1 - that is if this hag been instituted in other cities, get some experience factors, etc., the things that we don't know from the outline given. - l8- 0. C. 7-17;�-67 Page Nineteen C.E.A.O.E� Continued Councilman Gleckmano. I would like to see the Chief come back with more detailed information, also with some type of internal staff report. I think we have a Safety Committee made up w1thin our staff .9 1 don't know if it would fall within their realm. I think a general, outline 1.1ke this if we were to gq__ahead,­and--­ho-1d -a public hearing on * -it - I really don't know what the specific subject matter would be other than having neighbors informing on neighbors. I don't know -what part of it you want to speak on. Maybe I have been gone and didn't get a report or something, but from what I have .,seen this evening I would say right, now that anybody that came up to speak at the microphone on this particular subject knows a lot more about it than what I have heard to- night in order to.speak on it In anyway, shape or form. Councilman Nic,hols: Chief are there programs of this nature in operation in other citie-s? Chief Sill-, Yes - Monte-ev Park has a program .' V similar to this. Councilman Nichols:. Would you be In a position . within a: re-asonable length of time to achieve for this Council an analysis of similar programs that might be in other cities along with some specific details of their operation, what they have done and how they.feel about it? Chief.Sill.- I!coul,d probably do better thain that, I could get the Police Dhiaf of Monterey Park here to answer any questions. Councilman,N:Ichols-, Perhaps you could get reports from other cities. Chief Sill: Not that I know of. Monterey Park is the only City I know of that has this .program. Councilman Vicholsoo This program had its geniesi . s In Monterey �1_ I Park? y Chief Sill,,, Yes. There have been similar programs, for instance 0. W�, Wilson started the Crime Stop pro . ram in Chicago, *which was really citizen oriented. People took certain pfedges 'to say they would support the Police Departme-ut.and report specific Instances, and they were g1ven a-Qard with telephone numbers on it and how to go about reporting crimet, etc. Mayor Kriegerso I-s Chief Hol iday sti-A the Chief. 6f Police in Moaterey Park? Chief Sillo, yesp he, iso Councilman Nichols-0 concur with Counailmen Gleol-man �that we don't at this . point really hate a basis for a discussion on this -subject,, let alon'@ having a public debate. I would like to see us request -of the-Ohief.of Police-tha-t he attempt to provide to us two thkpga - specific I ormation about- the Monterey Park prograLm hat is in service now -and whatniheir- ex erie. Ohln.ce has been.- Whether or not he would see fit to briijg the Po -lice Pf would be at -his discretion. I would need some more-specifids as to what you would hope to accomplish. One example of -the area that can be involved and it is wide open at the present time, thaVis taking a block - 19 - - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Twe'tty a-B,,A.C.B. - Continued or mote areas where several hundred people reside and going an the. .assumption that your progr4m is going to function on the.basia.-of one or more dedicated citizens maintaining a liaison with"t'hese people. It is a noble thought but functionally spa-aking how do you accomplish this? And then what are going to be the limitiLtions on th­function of these people that serve.aB liaison - are they Paul Reve-:�ss? Are they educators? W.,e getintb an area where I think a great deal of definition would be required -before I, as an elected representative of the public, could make -a commitment. on this subject. Those are the two areas I feel we need some analysis of, how it functions in a City and a more detailed analysis of how the Chief would propose it to function here in the City of.West Covina, and.then at that time hold it over for 4 Public Hearing. I would offer that in a motion if I can get a second. Mayor Krieger: The only comir-ent I 'would like to make is anyone who h2s been interested enough to not appear on th matter that they may understand, the procedure that the council is discussing. From the comments made it is the initial desire of th-.7, Council to get more specific information and perhaps testimony from the s-aff on this subject matter before determining whether the matter has enough substance to it to even be considered further. And then if the matt,�r were to be considered, I haven't heard any strentious objections to considering it a public hearing item. Councilman Nichols: I would movz-�, then that the Chief of Police, thr�.�ugh the City Manager, be directed to bring before the council by, the date of the first regular council me.3ting in August, such detailed information as he maybe able to generate a.- ' , ' d provide, concerning the type of program that is presently in operation in Monterey Park, and similarly being proposed here, and to also present any other specifies that he may consider in the interim that woald involve the implementation of his ideas in this program, Motion seconded by Councilman Snyder. Councilman Snyder: I think we are Darticularly interested in - as Councilman Nichols pointed out - what -limitations are put or. these people, how are they chosen, what kind of education are -they doing at this level, Councilman Gleckman� How long as Monterey Park had this program? Chie f Sill: About two years. Councilman Gleckman�o- Also in discussing this motion, may I ask the Chief for some comment as to what effect it has had on their crime rate and also. his, own personal comments regarding their programo Chief Sill-. There has been a general, levelling off of crime in that community; they are able to maintain a more stable rate. Of course it is somewhat difficult to say that this main responsibility is this program, there may be other factors involved, 40 Mayor Krieger: Is there further discussion? Hearing none - motion carried, all in favor. Chief Sill is there aty material available. from the,President's Crime Commission on crime in this area? I have seen the report - does this relate in anyway? Chief S.illoo This relates very closely to the OommissioiRg recommendation- for the establishment of a Communit erviaps Officer. These 'were proposed in the Crime Commission repoR in what - 20 - Is 0 ADJ_ C. C. 7-17-67 Page T, t-31, ne O.E.A.C.E. - Continued they refer to as disadvantaged neighborhoods, however I don't see that same application in the City of West Covina. What we are trying to do primarily is interest the citizens in the fact -that the crime rate is going up and they have*an obligation to assist us in bringing it down. There is a very thin line, as you know being an7attarney, between the powers of apeace officer and the powera of a citizen whexi it comes to an arrest. A very small difference,, . Mayor Krieger: - and presentation together MAYOR'S REPORTS Between this date and August 14th, the first r6gular meeting,of the Council in August, if you will get that material for us we will appreciate it. RESOLUTION NO, �625 The Deputy City Clerk p'resent-edo 0 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING PAUL M. McCANN FOR HIS SERVICES TO -THE CITY. 11 RESOLUTION NO. 3626 IVA RESOLU THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE bITY OFVEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED WILLIAM H' JOUSOX�FOR'..HIS..ISERVIOES T-O THE QITY. RESOLUTION NO. 3627 VIA RESOLUTION OF'THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED LEROY SOLDER FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE CITY." RESOLUTION NO. 3628, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITYOF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED ROBERT 0. YOUNG FOR.HIS SERVICE TO THE' CITY." RESOLUTION NO. 3629 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED DR� WILLIAM McCOLL FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE CITY." RESOLUTION NO. 3630 "A RESOLUTION OF'THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING .ADOPTED KENNETH CHAPPELL FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE CITY." RESOLUTION NO, 3631 "A RESOLUTION OF.THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED MRS. GLEN TeVAUtT FOR HER SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY." RESOLUTION NO, �632 VIA RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA . COMM-ENDING ADOPTED DONALD R. CASLER,FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. I W41 ADJ. C­C� 7-17-67 Page t"Wo MAYOR'S REPORTS - Continued RESOLUTION NO.. 3633 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED CARL F. DAVIS� JR., FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE COMMUNI�Y.11 RESOLUTION NO. 3634 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED MRS. FRANK PLESKO FOR HER SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. RESOLUTION NO. 3635 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED MRS. WILLIAM JUBINA FOR HER SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY." RESOLUTION NO. 3636 "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ADOPTED JOANN WHEELER FOR HER SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY." May.or.Krieger: Hearing no objection, waive the reading of each and all the bodies of these respective resolutions, Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the council adopt each and all these respective resolutions. Motion carried on roll call as follows.* AYES Councilmen Gillum, NOESO None 0 ABSENTs None Mayor Krieger: Nichols, Gleckman, Snyderg Mayor Krieger Each and all of these Resolutions are adopted by unanimous -vote of the Council. (Discussion then followed regarding Perma Plaque for all Resolutions. Price was discussed - it was determined it would run about $8-00 each. Councilman GlOckman suggested that the, rocess be used only In special instances, naming,those he referred to.y Councilman Snyder-, I think by doing so we are going to develop different degrees of award. In the past, even resolutions -to councilmen never got perma-plaqued. I think we will be opening up a big area of expense and maybe they would rather have them framed in a black frame. Councilman Nichols: I agree with Dr. Snyder. Councilman Gillum-, You have a point Dr. Snyder. Mayor Krieger.- The only e xception I would take is the Resolution to the 00-0hairmen of the Blue Ribbon Commi.ttey, as this has been done previously. I would suggest we have Dr.. McColl a and Ken 0happell's perma-plaqued. '(Council agreed.) Mr. Atassa, please'extend ar. invitation to these people to be at the next council meeting for presenta- tion of the resolutions. M1 ADJ. 0. 0. 7-17-61 Page Twenty-three MAYOR'S REPORTS Continued SIGN ORDINANCE Mayor.Krieger,o We need further action on the Sign Ordinance revision. There is a separate Resolution of the Planning Commission having to do with the period of abatement - Resolution No. 11970. Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman,'and carried, that the council approve Planning Commission Resolution No. 1970 setting the date for abatement of the non-confor�ming signs under the amended Sign Ordinance, (Mr. Menard asked the Mayor if it was possible to combine the two .Resolutions,, the Mayor'replied that he discuss it with the City Attorney..) PUBLIC SERVICE DIRECTOR TITLE DESVINATION Mayor Krieger: Mr. Aiassa, you had an item to take up under Mayor's Reports that had to do with the title des�gnation of your Public Service Director. Nzo. Aiassa, City Manager.- I would like the council to authorize me to work with the City Attorney end have a July meeting', designating this p job -description amendment for the 24th of osition as the Public Service Director and Assistant to the City Manager. Mayor Krieger: This�daes not involve an increase in compensation is there a motion to that effect. Mr...Aiassa, City Manager.- No increase Councilman Gleckman.- so move. Councilman Nichols.� Seconded. Mayor Kr . i0ger: It''is moved and seconded that the City Manager be authorized to meet with the City Attorney for the purpbse of preparing a resolution expanding the title of the Public Service Director so it encompasses also the designation of Assistant to the City Manager with no increase in pay. Disetssion? Objections? No objections, so ordered. Mayor Krieger: The council authorized me to meet with rez)resentatives of the cities of Covina, Glendora Walnut - I did so. A meeting with, their Mayors, Mr. Yaeger, Mr. Finkbiner and Mr.. Hale, to discuss specifically the subject matter of Grand Avenue. Mr . Aiassa you may care to amplify on these remarks.with more detail if the council wishes. Briefly the roposal that is now in negotiation tetween the City Of West Covina and the State Division of Highways for the widening of the San Bernardino Freeway involvIes. the installation of a new interchange at Grand Avenue, Ithas been the standard practice of the State Division of Highways, the- Iuestion being whether it is policy or law thpt they will not participate n land acquisition for a new interchange 9 ��' This is consistent, as I understand it, with the Public Bureau of Public; Aoads Policy that they will not financially particlpata.*inthe acquisition costs of the land for new interchanges.' 23 ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Twenty-four GRAND AVENUE INTERCHANGE - LAND AC_quisITION Continued The ball park estimate we have received on the land acquisition cost for the new interchange at Grand Avenue is in the neighborhood of-$500,000. The whole geography of it is in the City limits of the City of West Covina. Mr. Aiassa has approached the County of Los Angeles for a committment as to their participation. And I will, leave it to him to make whatever comments he feels appropriate having to do with such participation. But my meeting with the Mayors was for the express purpose of expressing to these people that we only have a small sliver of the City of West Covina..on theeastern most boundary involved in this land and that it would be an unthinkable financial burden for this City to take the underwriting for the land acquisition cost for this interchange, and I believe it is a fair statement that the Mayor of each of these communities expressed their appreciation of this fact and their leaning to sit down and discuss the participation.of their community along With the County of Los Angeles and the Mount San Antonio Junior College and the people at Diamond Bar to join in the ,underwriting cost of land acquisition for this interchange. The reason I now bring it before the Council is it is a matter of policy, we in the City of West Cavina are going to have to take the position as to what percentage of participation this City is willing to undertake with. the thought in mind if there isn't an underwriting of the balance of those land acquisition costs the City might recansider its position having to do*with the interchange recognizing if we are being asked to underwrite the entire cost that it is a phenomenal figure. Mr. Aiassa, is there anything you wish to say on the County? Mr. Atassa, City Manager.- I think we should realize that the Oovzrty is now participating on two major projects, on Grand Avenue. The road that is now crossing the area under discussion and also the portion in Covina that is now being constructed, Without an interchange in this locale there would be no great use'of this improvement they are proposing, especially Mt. Sac being the principal benefactor. I spoke with the County Road Commissioner and he advises me there. ,1p more funds available '.rom, the County for this type of a street pr'ogr­a-aE'._­ They have extended us $250,000 which is credited against us in West Covina. These funds could have been charged to similar uses in West Covina like Covina and Walnut are using theirs. The question before us now and the thing we have to get 2L aecision on is this $250,000 from the County is in and we still have to pick up the balance of $250,000. We also found out from &nother reliable source in the State, that their estimate is $33,000 over the $500 000, which is a ball park figure same as ours, but with their-ebtimate $263,000 for us to raise. Walnut has very little gas tax money, Covina has committed their gas tax money in their City; Glendora, there is a 0 possibility of their participating and the County in the areas around Grand Avenue and the vicinity. The other possibility is the council must make a decision if we are to sign the agreement we will have to sign with the anticipated expenditure of- 533,000 with a credit of $250,000 from the County leaving a balance of $283,000, to be funded. The question.is - is.that interchange - worth this much money to us? Councilman Nichols a - kinds of other projects..... Mr. Aia6sa, City Managers You are saying that 4250,000 has been given in a similar sum.to neighboring cities and which they have used on all Well in a way we made As you will remember, Freeway Agreements the was demanded to provide the expense of the right of way int e rc hang e 0 Councilman Snyder: We amended that. Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: This that not strictly privileged to West Covina a basic committment the preliminary City of West Covina:`� for the grand Avenue,--, is the alternative - we can state we feel that this interchange is but is serving a larger area - 24 - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Twenty-five GRAND AVENUE INT�OHANGE LAND A0QUISITIO3 - Continued including Diamond Bar. Mayor Krieger.- Before we put such a statement to the State Divi-sion of Highways,�-I think it is incumbent -upon us to get participa- tion, if we can, from all the other communities that will benefit from this Interchange. councilman Gleckman: You have two problems here. My first question - the #250,000 that they are going to give us credit for, could we use it any place else in the Cityp if we didn't use it on Grand Avenue? Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Yes, it could be used - they are gas tax funds. Mayor Krieger: But they were earmarked funds as such. This is part of the total funds that are available to the City in the political domain. Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: That is right. There is a slim possibility we might get it from the FASUE fund. The County Road Commissioner tells me he thinks this fund is exhausted - this is the fund we used for Azusa Avenue. This is a Federal Aid Secondary andrthis money was allocated to cities and ' Zavaty =. the -basis bf_-market 'commitment "to farm road requirements. This fund has to be matched but wedo hale a firm from the County for 0250,000 and we col!L-d vse vals §250,000 as our matching fund requirement. There is still a question, will this meet the eligibility requirements to qualify for matching funds. Councilman Gillum: Mr. Aiassa - we spent 35 hours working -on the budget trying to come up with money and now we are faced with #283,000., ...... Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Mr. Gillum we can, I think answer your question. If the Council says Grand Avenue is the interchange we want - then we have to raise the funds. Councilman.Snyder: This is where you have not told us, this is where the staff has to come back and tell us what the benefits of an interchange at Grand Avenue are to the City of West Covina. (Open discussion as 'to'whether or not'Grand,Avenue interchange wa6.needed by the City.) Mayor Kriegpr: I think we have to draw -the line as to how far the City financially is going toget involved as far as the interchange and beyond that point we are not interested. Councilman Snyder.- I don't think we 8 ! hould put &-cent� , in -to it. Councilman' Gleckman- If we couldn.1t use the $250,000 any place else, then I would say we would commit ourselves to the #250,000 but not more, Mayor Krieger: The County put a lot of money into'Grand Avenue and it doesn't make a lot of sense not to have it tied into the Freeway, but on the other hand if it means $500,000.for them I don't think there is going to be an' interchange there. Thexe are a lot of communities involved in this situation and I think the City of West Covina is the focal -point they have to operate around, because it is our territory. I think we -ought to be prepared financially percentage wise or fractionally to say how far we will. go and that's it. 25 ADJ. 0. 7-17767 Page Tweenty-six GRA.WD AVENUE INTERCHANGE LAND ACqUISITION Continued Councilman Nichols: I think the City has some area.of responsibility. There is some small. portion of the City that will benefit but certainly no more so than Walnut, to more so than the major academic institution to the south no more so than the Covina area that feeds into that college area to Ue south, and no more so than the devebping Diamond Bar area. So I wouldn't conceive our carrying a great burden, but,I would not conceive of our carrying no burden at all. It would be my feeling this council should go on record as.being willing to commit the exact.sum of gas tax funds.�ledged to the City by the County for that purpose back to the County - some #25Qv000 and any .other cost ought to be borne by some other source.. Mayor Krieger: I don't think that is realistic table stakes in this kind of a game. Just saying we got the County in the position of paying $250,000 of their money, now -what are -you guys coming up -with? They will say - how do we know if the county isn't going to be tabbing that back to us? Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: We did program this $250,000 from the County by using the statistical data as re �Srao ia aRattiig the area out on the map) and howtpftu1f4a1nt68*,? �p�jjted $250,000 was established for West Covina. Councilman Snyder: How much taxable property do we lose by this interchange and who makes the provision for the Frontage Road Mr. Aiassa: Any relocation of the Frontage Road will be taken care of by the State. (Mr. Zimmerman advised that- roughly 2-1 2 to 3 acres were involved.) Councilman Gleckman: I would go along with Councilman Nichols motion if he would up the anti $50,000. Councilman Nichols: We don't have a staff recommendation. Do you have a recommendatian Mr. Aiassa? Mr. Aiassa,.City Manager: There is one possible solution - we can amend the agreement and request of the State as a condition in widening the Freeway that they put, this interchange ill, at their expense.:, (Open Discussion.) Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: Nobody has presented thisubeund the Los Ahgeles office. We p t he tunnel through that highway after we completed the'original first -agreement. The City of West Covina put $65,000 - $70,000. The basic answer is to go to the County and have.them fund the whole thing, but I.talkpd to the County Road Commissioner and he said "forget it," I asked him how much we might get from the adjoining cities and -frankly, Covina has used the:lrs,. and Walnut has used theirs The only possible solution and it is a slim one is for us to apply Kr FASUE money, as we did on Azusa Avenue. We -Sao still would need the support of all these cities including Mt. and the County, if we could get this fund. Councilman Snyder: One other solution amend your proposed freeway.agreement. (Discussion followed along. -this angle, with Councilman Snyder being against any participation for the Rrand Avenue interchange. Mayor Krieger suggested that he thought the City ought to pick up a fourth of the tab, because he felt it was worth.that much to the City for the utential unannexed area in that area, and also he was concerned about he City's feeder roads in the easternmost portion of the�City and in his opinion Grand Avenue is going to turn into a very important feeder.). 2167 ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page Twenty-s,�,vsw,.i �GRAND AVENUE INTERCH GE - LAND ACQUISITION - Continued Mayor Krieger.- The reason I say 25% - look at the relative size of the communities we are talking about - we are talking about Covina population of 28,000. Walnut - 39000; Glendora - 36,000. 9 Councilman Snyder: But it is not feeding our community. I don't think you have proven any Justification for our participation at all. It is -going to do more harm than.good to the City, It i-s going'to remove land ....... (Open discussion regarding City losing land, but it would also remove people from using City access streets,.etc. etc.) �Councilman Nichols: It appears.to me that.the. .$250,'000 was appropriated'to this City from extra funds and was earmarked for that project. Is that right Mr. Aiassa? .(Answer: Yes.) So that, is not $250,000 we had coming from any other source, It was put in there before camparable sums were put in on Grand Avenue, north and south; and we are talking about adding $70,000 t-o that, . That ." would be funds that would not be committed to this project unless we took that action. This would leave then the entire balance of $213,000 and if they didn't come up with it, it won't be built. Mayor Krieger: This'is exactly the position I want the Council to take - either say we won't come up with a penny, or we will come up with everything but $213,000, or we will come up with everything but .... Councilman Nichols: I am still waiting fora recommendation from the City Manager. We haven't got one out of him this whole half hour.� Mayor Krieger: Why are you hanging back Mr. Aiassa, this 25% didn't come off the top of my head? Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: I think- the solution of the 25% is the one we worked out as a staff recommenda- tion. Mayor Krieger: Mr. Aiassa, will you just verbalize something on this please? Mr. Aiassa,,City Manag-er:. My first basic recommendation is that we apply to the State for the fU,1p_ interchanZe complete for right of wsy and then use this formula construQtion. If tha't dQedn't work out -of the City picking up the additional 25% and the other cities picking up the rest. Mayor Krieger: Mr. Aiassa, City.Manager: Councilman Snyder: Is thata recommendation? Yes - what else can we' do? That is the worst recommendation made in the last 8 years. Motion by Councilman Nichols that the City Managerls recommendation be accepted and that this motion is made in the firm belief that it is not the wors_� recommendation in the last 8 years. Seconded by Councilman Gillum. Motion carried on roll call as followeg AYES.- Councilman Gillump Nioholsv Glackmant Mayor,Kriager NOES*,, Councilman. Snyder ABSENTO- None - 22, - ADJ. C. .00 7.17-67 Page fteibfty-Ls.ight GRAND AVENUE INT8RdHANGE LAND ACgUISITION Continued, Mr.Aiassa City Minagers I have one question as -you know my first'recommendation was that we apply to the State. My atproacU yould be when we finalize our agreement with the State that we wri e adW.41319 them that 0 we feel this interchange,is a total State interohangep which means right of way and construction. Our second approach would be on the formula proposed. Mayor Krieger: I am not saying okay, I'aM saying I understand you. Councilman Sny4ero. This is one indication of a highway interchange that is regional. How you are going to amportionate it between the different cities is one of my biggest arguments,,against it and I personally think it Is of:-more.harm than help. to us., COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS WEST COVINA BEAUTIFUL REQUEST Councilman GillumS Mr. Aiassa I would like to have you investigate with the City Attorney I am sure all of you have received tho_. V, 0 invitation to the West Covina Beautiful fund.raising affair* hi­-h is being held to raise funds for beautification of the business' district, There was q uestion asked and I told these people that were putting it on that I couldn't answer It for them. The possibility of using some chairs. and tables from the Recreation & Park Department - this organization is dedicated to raising funds for the City beautification and I would like to have the council's feeling in this area, whether we should participate with this type of support or not? Mayor Krieger-, Any objection if it Is legally permissable? None. (Oouncilman Gleckman suggested trying the School District if there was any reason that the City couldnot accommodate.) MLYOR'S YODTH ADVISORY COUNCIL Councilman Gillum - Mr.. Mayor you handed me two letters,, one from Mr. Love- and another from a gentleman that wanted to participate in the Youth Advisory Council when you handed me these letters I was trying to go back in.my memory, did we set a date for forming this? Mayor Krieger.- You were asked by me t . o act as the Councilman to develop the program to present to the Council. G6-anciltan_ Gillum.- This will be within the next 30 days. It Will be put together in time for the beginning of.the school year. AZUSA AVENUE DETOUR 10 Counci . lman Nichols: I feel Azusa Avenue is one of the poorest examples of roadway providing detour for a project under construction, as I have seen in a long time. It is extremely rough. 'So much so that vehicles are badly bounced and jounced around. Very bad testimony to our community for people coming through hereq let -alone our.own citizens who are using the road. Almost intolerable. Is there anything that.the contractor can do to make those bypasses a little less rough for people?- - 29 - ADJ. C. C. 7-17-67 Page T*_&rfty--Nine.. AZUSA, AVEM DETOUR 0ontiAMd Ar. Aiass.a, City Manager-g. Va. went over.it today,and I* am of the same opinion. We are going -to have a staff meeting tomorrow 'and will see what can'be done. Mayor Krieger: May I add one that is worse? tors. The s drain construction (explained the probleso. Councilman Nichols-, Mr. Mayor, I want to got satisfaction on Azusa Avenue first. Mr. Aiassa you say you are meeting with the staff on this and we can hope for some improvement.shortly?. Mr. Aiassa, Pity Manager: Yes. STATE STREET DUST Councilman Gillumo, A couple of weeks ago I -asked the staff to contact these people on State'- Street regarding the dust problem - what- has., been done? Mr. Aiassa, City Manager: We need an encroachment.permit from the property owner. We are starting out withl. Home 'Savings. & Loan I havea meeting with them shortly, Councilman Gillum, I am sure you are aware. of the problem : if you have ever gonedown that street on an decision on this, at least afternoon - could we have:soMe definite in the next 7 days? Can we have a,firm an-swer next Monday night? �Mr. Aiassa, city Manager: I hope so, LEGISLATIVE BILL 1944 Mr. Aiassa, Cit y Manager: Mr. Mayor', I have one item regarding a i pending legislative Bill which will bo- - hard for me to put on the agenda, Bill 1944. -This bill is ' involving, if passed the measure would prevent the ..City using ordinary labor for making street signs and would prevent us from even making non-standard signs or refurbishing existing signs, And frankly right now the City is making most of,their.signs. ..Mayor Krieger: ..Any.objection to adding this item to the agenda? None. Your recomm-endat-ion is protest, Any objection to protest? No objections. You have an unanimous vote to protest. Motion by, Councilman Nichols seconde d by Councilman Gillum, and carried,..' 'that there being no further 'business, meeting adjourn at 10:37 O'clock P APPROVED ATTEST- Mayor .D7eputy City Ulerk 2�O