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05-29-1967 - Regular Meeting - Minutes0- 0 MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED ',EGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA MAY 29, 1967 The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Krieger at 7*30 o°clock P.M., in the West Covina City Halle The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Nichols. ROLL CALL Present: Mayor Krieger, Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman, Snyder Absents Councilman Gillum Also Present* George Aiassa, City Manager Ho R. Fast, Public Service Director Owen Menard, Planning Director George Zimmerman, Ass°to City Engineer Harry Peacock, Administrative Aide Lela Preston, Deputy City Clerk INTRODUCTION OF FOREIGN STUDENTS VISITING WEST COVINA THROUGH COURTESY OF AMERICAN FIELD SERVICE Mayor Krieger, acknowledged with pleasure, the presence of the students participating in the program of the American Field Services West Covina government study, and called upon Mrs. Lolly Bergman for the introductions, Mrs. Bergman thanked the council and said they welcomed the opportunity of being here because the goal of the American Field Services is to point out to the foreign students the actual community life and certainly within the City of West Covina the municipal government is the closest to the citizens. This year the City of West Covina has three foreign students attending West Covina and Edgewood High, in addition to these three foreign students approximately seventeen Senior students from the high schools participated, Mrs. Bergman then presented the three foreign students* Ulli Posselt, Furstenfeldbruck, Bavaria, Germany attending West Covina High; Daniel Milanezi, Indaiatuba, Sao Paolo, Brazil, attending Edgewood High; Hanni Weber, Solbad Hall, Tyrol, Austria, attending Edgewood High, And, the following. senior students have attended various meetings of the City and participated in the program* Rochelle Miller; Kevin Donnelly; Jon Davis; David Fink; Paul Simons; Connie Moore; Ronald Moerseh; Caryn Born; Sharon Brasher; Lenard Williams; Roger Larson; Tom Graham; Kevin Brewer; Lee Ellsworth; Dan McCoy; Dan Johnson; and Mike Barnes. In addition to.the American Field Services foreign student program, the other part of the American Field Services reflects our own citizens who are selected from national enrollment and national applications for an experience in a foreign country and with us tonight is last year's student from West Covina High representing the American Chapter and who was an American Abroad to Cologne, Germany o Miss Cindy Mu lvaino Miss Mulvain , stated that the Mayor of Cologne, Germany, asked me to give you this plaque as a token of greetings and friendship from Cologne, along with this letter, Mayor Krieger accepted the plaque with thanks and said it would be placed in the Trophy cabinet in the lobby of City Hall, Miss Mulvain also presented, from her father, a picture book of Cologne, Germany. Mrs, Bergman further stated to Mayor Krieger and the councilmen, that from the arrangements previously made last year, the students this year are anxious and willing to carry out the particular plan towards having an International Wall in the new City Hall building, so they will be going back and awaiting the time it is known what size is needed for the wall. So far the City will have 6 emblems for the wall in the new building, and possibly eventually the City will have an emblem from every country, • E C, 0, 5/29/67 Page Two AMERICAN FIELD SERVICES - FOREIGN STUDENT PROGRAM - Continued Mayor Krieger again thanked the students saying that the Council in general was happy to see the students and not only appreciate the presence of the students in the community, but also the work that Mrs. Bergman and the American Field Service Association accomplish in this program; we are certainly much enthused with the program and you will always be welcome in the community, DEL NORTE PARK LAND ACQUISITION LEASE m WILLIAM B. HINRICHS GONNE PROPERTY - FINAL ACTION Motion by Councilman Snyyder, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, to 'hold over to June 5th,1967, meeting, BEAUTIFICATION REPORT Mayor Krieger'. The staff report of March 30th has been su plemented by the report of May 26th having to do with the Urban Beautification and Improvement Program having to do with federal grants, Mr. Aiassa is there anything the staff wishes to present on this?. Mr, Aiassa: The only itemsof some concern are.on the C.ity.Manager Urban Beautification and Improvement Program and the council might like to review these, 'There are three items we would have to take into consideration having to do with the 5 year Improvement Program, I think it would be of value to the council to break down Page 2 and show the actual figures of cost to the City. One correction, in the last paragraph the base cost figure of #25,000 shown, should read $4o,360e (Mr, Fast presented the figures on the blackboard and explained.).. Councilman Snyder: Do the-s.e costs include additional personnel for maintenance of the median strips proposed? Mr, Fast, Cost for maintenance under the Urban Beautifi- Public Service Director cation program is not included. It is only for what you call capital expenditure. Anytime you build up a huge program, year after year, you would inherit a high maintenance cost, Councilman Snyder: Is the staff prepared to give us an estimate of the maintenance cost on the additional personnel needed? Mr. Aiassa; Not quite tonight, City Manager Counc-ilman.Snyder: Do we have to take any steps on this before budget time? Mr, Aias' a: Well what Mr,.Fast has stated is that if City Manger this goes to the Planning Commission and comes back to the council, we would then havle to make a formal application. We.donvt know that it would be approved by the Federal Governments At that time, between the time we make formal application and it is approved, we would make the analysis. As you will -note from the report, a large.amount of the money will come from gas tax funds. Any improvements we are going to make pertaining to landscaping is going to cost more in personnel to maintain, 2 Co Co 5/29/67 BEAUTIFICATION REPORT. m Continued Councilman going to be • .the median or build up to maintain Page Three Snyder: I think the council needs to know the maintenance cost and what budget this is going to come out of and whether we are able to budget for it I am all for the beautification of strips but I would hate to do it at the expense of the Parks a beautiful median strip and find we have to spend #10,000 it, Mayor Krieger: This is somewhat anticipatory at this stage, Councilman Gleckman: I.would like to see some type of report from Recreation & Park as to where the received 8500 last $8500 last year was spent and if they year, The only reason I say this is because I would hate. to see a program like this be intermingled unless we are actually using the $8500 from Recreation & Park because they seem to be the ones that everytime the budget session comes along we cut down a little bit more each year and I am just concerned about the #8500 giving us th-e additional #8500 that actually falls under their particular phase of work, Councilman Snyder: Councilman Gleckman: Plus you would hate to see this taken out of a fund that should be used for something that should have gone for Recreation and Park personnel, So I think -we need a Recreation & Park report in conjunction with what we are talking about spending, Councilman Nichols: The only.quest-ion I have on it - the second paragraph of the report where it comments "that m.st Federal p lliications. etc,, etc,, and the staff has spent a great dea� of time andffort in their preparation to date" - what: is -this greatdeal of time and effort that .has gone -into ..this so far?. Mr, Aiassa: When we first made our review for,the City Manager bond issue we did a lot ofwork for the facts and information we gained on the parks. Actually not dollars and cents time but in all applications of this type we must put in a great deal of time,` Councilman Nichols: The linking of the first statement to the second statement, which in my mind says "relative to this application we spent a great deal of time already 60.0.0." isn't exactly the case? Mr. Aiassa: City Manager I think what the staff is saying that they don't want to get involved in a lot of paperwork and then all of a sudden we drop it, Councilman Nichols: I can understand, that but the statement ® in the report says "as with most Federal applications, etc>, and the staff has spent.a_great deal of time -and effort in their preparation ,,,,," Do they mean -other generalized reports and applications? Mr, Aiassa: Right - they have experienced this in City Manager other reports, Councilman Nichols: I would react exactly as the other councilmen have reacted so far. In spirit I favor but I would like a little more information, m 3 C, Co 5/29/67 Page Four BEAUTIFICATION REPORT ® Continued Mayor Krieger: Assuming the application is formulated and approved, are there strings attached to the use of these monies in specifics rather than the broad scope of the program? • Mr. Zimmerman: Yes, there are strings within some Assistant City Engineer limits. As Mr. Aiassa says, it is necessary under their regulations to present a 5 year pr®gram and presumably to present the first year's budget as shown on the program. The program is somewhat flexible but once the council has approved it and the Federal Government has approved it, it then becomes like any other budgeted item, something that must be followed. There will be audits by the Federal Government, Mayor Krieger: How long has this program been in existence? Mr. Zimmerman: At least since 19650 Mayor Krieger: Is there something that brought it to our attention in particular at this time? Mr, Zimmerman: To my knowledge only because of the:•,:,other programs the council has-expressed'an interest in. Namely, the landscaping of median strips in expressways, which gave the opportunity to fund it without an excessive amount of general .funds. This is the first year it became possible to do this and of course the Blue Ribbon Committee report recommended it and also gave it impetus. Mr. Aiassa: The Blue Ribbon Committee had direct City Manager exposure to this and asked the staff to look into it. I think this was the first real depth given to it and it does tie into some of the basic recommendations of the Blue Ribbon Committee. Mayor Krieger: What you want t know at this st ge is if the council �s tentatively interested in your taking the, next steps? Mr. Aiassa: Right, Motion by Gpuncilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, -and carried that the council approve the above outlined procedure in the May 26th report of Urban Beautification and request that the matter be presented for formal approval of application at the council meeting of June 12, 1967. Councilman Snydero I would like to emphasize again I am all for the intent of this program, but Iado want to see the maintenance cost and I don't want to set up such a program if the maintenance cost is at the expense of our regular Park program. I certainly think tax money spent. for this type of. -Program is better than for building bombs or whatever else, but I have to see that this is not done at the expense of our uncompleted parks, etc, Mayor Krieger: Continuing with the Beautification Report we have the staff analysis. This is a report we held over until both, the staff and Recreation & Park Commission had an opportunity to review the report. The action of the Recreation & Park Commission was in consonance with the report,- is that correct? Mr, Gingrich: Yes, that is correct. Director of Recreation & Parks 4 Co Co 5/29/67 Page 'Five BEAUTIFICATION REPORT ® Continued Mayor Krieger: Let's go to the items of committee recommendations and staff analysis and determine what action the council • wishes to take with each item, Item #1. This is to come back on June 12, 1967 ® we can defer action on it until then. Item #2e Parkways with no trees should be planted as soon as possible. The staff analysis which is fairly detailed basically boils down to a budget question. We.will later in the meeting set our budget schedule.Is it eonterA-plated in your staff proposal to specifically give t-he council some'figures on this question? Mr. Aiassa: Yes, we have some figures. They will City -Manager be slightly divorced from the main instrument of the budget. Mayor Krieger: In any event, it seems to..me this"is going. to be a cash _po.licy..question. Anything further the council want to discuss on Parkway Trees at this conjuncure? Item #3o Overhead Power Transmission Lines. The staff pointed out that the City has essentially no control over this aspect but Edison Company is replacing facilities at a pre- determined pace passing the cost onto the consumer. It is recommended that a letter over the Mayor's signature to the Edison Company be sent, expressing the citizens concern and the City's strong desire to do something about it and request Edison Company to `establish with the City a permanent working group to study the program, Mr. Aiassa:. In fairness to Edison -Company, they City Manager voluntarily removed the. ]poles along. Sunset Place by the Broadway, and -also they did remove the first series of poles on Glendora Avenue from Front -age Road towards Walnut Creek.Parkwaayy, This is a very expensive undertaking for Edison Company. They will do it voluntarily and I think. a -letter from the .Mayor would.. be advantageous.. Councilman Nichols: I have"been-the council liaison with'the Beautification Committee, I.think I should respond" in terms of my own feelings on this.matter, Certainly "if the day ..ever _comes when we can remove all the utility lines in our community and have them underground I will applaud heartily, but"the cost involved is very excessive and I don't think it is very likely that any significant progress will be made in this area on a voluntary basis by any of the companies. I feel we have.so...many tremendous needs in the community where our tax._do.11ars can be s ent that in my judgment the relocating of utilities underground is pret y far down the priority list and I would not look with favor on the establishment of still another committee of council representation with the Utilities on relocating the utility lines. Councilman Snyder: Since you have worked on this, may I ask, obviously it can't be an immediate project, ® but over the many years ahead when, I don't know how often they replace their facilities but if over the years they can be encouraged to replace, if and when_they.replace, with, underground facilities. It would not be just a ten year project but a long. term .project, Mr, Aiassa: they too have to justify this of.a street it does encourage arbitrarily go and say we want have to justify doing so. .I think there is something very valid in comments made by -the Edison Company, expenditure;with the Broadway realignment them to participate. We just cant these poles underground, etc,, th6y also ® 5 Co C. 5/29/67 Page Six BEAUTIFICATION REPORT ®.Continued Councilman Snyder: But they must have to replace their facilities now and then, Mayor Krieger: There is no suggestion in either the • Citizens report or the staff report that we replace.all utility poles underground. We have encouraged the use of underground utility poles all the time and as a matter of oli.a_ the larger developments that have come into the city have been reque�Vted that underground utilities be put in. I can't see what harm could Come and at least it would compliment the Utility Companies for what then"are doing in this area and to indicate to them that we support these efforts and we certainly would hope they would be able to accelerate the pace of these efforts in the future, Councilman Nichols: I don't object to them at all but I think the Citizens Committee was'in a more vigorous approach.. The recommendation would involve a liaison with the Utility Companies and an on -going relationship in developing -the program for the active removal of these overhead utility lines. Mayor Krieger: Inasmuch, as we are not picking up the tab we are not obviously going to have the final say on it, but I think we could at least indicate our philosphy on the subject to these Utility Companies. Councilman Snyder: There is another approach - I would like to make a suggestion. Whenever it rained you couldn't get a phone out because all To.ur conns.ct.ion of lines got wet, but the Telephone Company is improving his by using a gas cylinder, however they are not very attractive setting alongside the telephone poles and there is such a thing as industrial design nowadays and it seems to me that the utility com anies h v never covered n pproach of bbeauti is tion n their above gro�nd utilltTes_.and they could do that and the._mfgh avoiod thr exppense of the underground if they would just beautify the above ground.utilities, Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that a letter be authorized under the Mayor's signature according to the recommendation in the report, Mayor Krieger: The comment was raised with regard to other utilities being concerned in this, area. You might also investigate, Mr. Aiassa, and see if the scope could be broadened, Item #4. Reflectorized Street Signs. Mayor Krieger: The City -has .gone. ahead -with street names and block numbers on signs and the question is whether or not to modify these signs now to include the City name, Councilman Nichols: I have two thoughts.- I think.it is an exceptionally good idea where signs need ® to be replaced for some reason. I don't feel economically we can not go back over the area of very good and recently installed street signs and replace them, but'I do feel we could move into this area where for various reasons signs need to be replaced. Again, a program of gradual implementation. The other thing is along the lines Dr. Snyder said, although we cannot always change the nature of the sign poles, etc„ I think we could beautify them and one way would be to simply straighten them up. We have a lot of them leaning at various angles in their sockets and I don't know.but what the City is more responsible than anybody else, Mrs Aiassae Our sign man was advised that if they tilt the sign a certain degree it wou.� be more visible, 060 • 0 n U C. C. 5/�9/67 Page Seven BEAUTIFICATION REPORT ® Continued Councilman Nichols: I mean the whole post. We have a great many of our street signs now, probably because of the excessive rainy weather, that are leaning. I would think we should have those corrected and I would advocate going to a reflectorized sign with the City name when it, is feasible on a replacement program. Councilman Snyder: I would like to mention one thing. This will cost money .again ® on all secondary highways and major streets a sign on all four corners. I have occasion to make house calls and not so much in West Covina, but in many cities your sign is over on the other corner and.._unr.aadable..and at least they sought to have them on two corners instead of just one corner on the secondary streets. Often you have to go past the corner before you can read the -sign. I think we are very inadequate in our signage on secondary streets. Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Krieger: said,during the normal course any further action the council area, either the straightening We might make this recommendation to he t affic o ittee fo'r integrating into -he. 196 02ff plan,.. Does the council have .any desire. to now remove the reflectorized signs to put the 0.1ty name. on except as Councilman Nichols of replacement? I assume not. Is there wishes to direct the staff to do in this of signs or modifying signs? Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that consideration be.given to more adequate signage at all corners on secondary an& major streets., Councilman Gleckman: Mr. Aiassa: Councilman Gleckman: signs we only have them on Fax example on; Vine Street they are both on the north south side of the street. Mayor Krieger: Do the signs that are_put up for school crossings come from the City? Yes. Regarding what Dr. Snyder was talking about, the four corners. I notice in quite a few crew where we have school one side of the street and not on both sides. by the school, they are two way signs but side of the street and nothing on the I think we should look into that. As a secondary consideration, question_ of. scho.o.l _signage-. Any further discussion on ,the motion made and seconded? Any obj-ectio'n? There being -none, it will be so ordered. Mr. Aiassa, will -you look into this Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that the council direct the staff to investigate and report back on the additional cost involved in obtaining replacement street signs with the West Covina identification, replacement to mean only where signs must be replaced for some reason or other. Mr, Aiassa: Would this be replading in 1967-682 Councilman Nichols: The normal signs that you would have to replace within a given year. Item #5. Replacing Trees. Initial planting of large trees to be encouraged. Mayor Krieger: The staff analysis is to recommend to the property owners in residential areas that the City will replace with a 5 gallon oneand if th.ev want a 15 gallon tree they may hAjrP one by iDavi.ng C. C. 5/29/67 Page .Eight BEAUTIFICATION REPORT - Continued the difference and allow them to make the determination if they want a larger one. Does the council wish to establish that as policy for the staff? • So moved by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried. Item #6. Pavement in Median Strips to be removed and landscaped program initiated and provisions for watering. Mayor Kriegery We have a present program approved by the council on this matter. It is obviously a dollars and cents question, and it falls into the line of what we were discussing previously with regard to budget Policies.. Item #7. Welcome signs to be placed on city entrances (except Freeways) City Parks, City Buildings and Fire Department Buildings. Mayor Krieger: Identification signs are presently in existence at all the recommended locations, but I think we might discuss the matter of freeway signage. This has been kicking around since I have been on the council without anything being done on it. Councilman Snyder: I believe the last thing that happened, the staff was to look for a spot to place it. Mayor Krieger: That was the theological seminary that actually turned it down, as I remember. Mr. Aiassa: We have actually spent time to. relocate and the most desirable spots are on state surplus property and to put a sign of this nature on state property is not permitted. We were hoping to put this as part of our negotiations with the State. We have actually photographed the whole area and the most ideal sites are on State property. Councilman Gleckman: Why don't we hold off and discuss with the State at the time we discuss some of the conditions in the .Freeway agreement? I don't think they will object. Mayor Krieger: I will be very much surprised if you haven't. set yourself a trap,. Mr. Aiassa, if you proceed with the matter of signage in a Freeway agree- ment, but you are welcome to try. Mr. .Aiassa: I think if the council remembers, our recommendation was that one of the secondary work programs with the State was that we were to take jurisdiction of the surplus land and I.think at that time that is when we should ask to put our signs up. Mayor Krieger: T2at is a different thought. • Councilman Snyder: The point is that may be three or four ahead. y 'years Mr, Aiassa: One year to one and a half. We also have to think about appropriation - about five thousand dollars. 0. 0. 5/29/67 Page Nine BFAUTIP'I=CATION REPORT Continued Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that.this be held off. Councilman Snyder-, As I recall, the council committee did arrive at a design. • Item #8. Mail Drop Boxes be Maintained in good repair-. Mayor Krieger-, The staff analysis obviously is to the effect this is not in our jurisdiction but that the staff be requested to report any such maintenance problems to the post office. Aren't they doing that at the present time? Mr. Aiassa- yes. Mayor.. Krieger - Do you need any council action to continue to do it? Mr. Aiassa- No. Councilman Nichols- Many of these large letter boxes are in need of repair. The hours printed on the little cards are all faded away to where you can't read them and the boxes themselves are rusty and in need of paint. Councilman Gleckman- I think our staff has good rapport with the post master and I think that is all it would take - just approaching the post. master. If they don't get any satisfaction then let them bring it back to the council. Mr. Aiassa- That is the approach we will use. Item #9. Place all Utilities Underground. Mayor Krieger- Basically this is what we have already discussed. Councilman Snyder- Plus in essence when they do have to - replace present facilities .that it is done with underground utilities. Item #10. City Parks and -.Schools m Committee.Recommendation Plant -Large Trees in the City Parks Mayor Krieger- The staff -analysis-- oes-to the type of trees we are presenUy planting. Again it goes to the finances with regard to the aize of trees we want to plant. • Councilman Gleckman- This would still be a budget item. Councilman Snyder- With regard to this part of the report and also on all matters regarding Parks and Recreation, at the last Los Angeles County League of California Cities meeting a presentation was made by this,group who are available to give free consultation and service on Parrs and Recreation. They have specialists in parks, swimming pools etc., in all areas pertaining to Parks and Recreation. This information canbeobtained and assistance through the County Agency office. I can't recall the name of the agency at present but I did make a memo to staff on it. These are all top field and experienced men and the assistance is free. 9 r C. 0. 5/29/67 Page Ten BEAUTIFICATION REPORT m Continued Item #11. Removal of Fences between De.Norte School Playground and Park, and Rowland School Playground a al Park. Mayor Kriegero The staff report is that existing fences are the property of the school districts, however, the suggestion should be presented to. the Recreation and Park Commission for their recommendation and consideration before going to Council. As I understand. it, Recreation and Park Commiss.ion_has considered this and recommended to the council. Is it the council°s desire to direct something to the School District in the matter of removing these fences? Councilman Snyder. I am wondering does the School District have any policy or legal problems regard- ing fencing? Mr. Aiassa: We had one experience at C000NA=Doo and I would like to recommend th&.r, the council give the Recreation & Park Commission the authority to negotiate with the School District, because I think that is the way we handled Mr. Gingrich: We did, but it was not at council level. Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, .that Recreation & Park Commission be authorized to investigate the removal of these fences and negotiate with the School District regarding same, and subject to council approval. Item #12. Purchase Property now being leased to the City on the north side of Cortez Parka Mayor Krieger-, The City Council has already authorized the City Manager to obtain _.information necessary for these negotiations which are on a lease basis presently and I believe expires in August. , Mr. Aiassa: We have a meeting with one of the representatives this Wednesday. No action is necessary at present. Item #13. Request Cooperation of the Covina Unified School District in planting parkway trees in schools within the City limits. Mayor Krieger: I assume this is -to be distinguished from the fact that the West Covina Unified School District was already approached and has cooperated. Mr. Aiassa: Covina.. School District. Mayor Krieger. - same manner as the staff did Yes, the staff approached them and the staff has been able to have parkway trees planted on all the schools in the West Does the council desire to authorize the staff to follow-up on this with the Covina Unified School District in the with the West Covina Unified School District? So moved by Councilman Gleckman, seconded.by Councilman Snyder, and carried. Item #14. Remove Utility Poles from Palm View Park. Mayor Krieger: The cost estimated by staff #1200. And priority consideration by the Recreation 10 0. C. 5/29/67 BEAUTIFICATION REPORT ® Continued Page Eleven and Park Commission in their 1967-68 budget request. This is a budget item and it will have to be discussed at the time we.get to the budget. • Item #15. Ground Turf ® Remain Green A111 Year., Mayor Krieger: Recommendation by the staff that it not be implemented at this time. The green turf is desirable but the cost figures seem to be prohibitive. Any action desired? Councilman Nichols: No. There are problem: with that kind of turf. A gentleman that lived across the street from the school was an agent for the landscaping division of the State Highway Department. He had a hybrid lawn, remained green the year around, it was just beautiful. He moved out and rented the house and in three months it was the worst mess or weeds. So obviously it required special treatment and. care. Mr. Aiassa: And that type of lawn does not take the pounding that the Bermuda does in our parks and survive. Item #166 Complete Galster Wilderness Park, as fast as funds are available. Mayor Krieger: This is consistent with the existing • council policy. In fact we just completed the fencing of this park site. So I don't think there is any further action necessary on that. Councilman Gleckman: I have a question of Mr. Gingrich. When do you think that park will be -open to the public? Mr. Gingrich: Technically it is open -now and we have Director. of Park & Recreation groups using it all the time. You can't drive in -to the park, you can drive to the parking area lots and then walk in. The only public driving in will be up to the picnic area and from then on you have to walk in through gates. When necessary we check out a key to the service gates to groups se they can get their camping gear up into the area. Councilman Snyder: Does the public really know this? Mr. Gingrich: It is open to the public now, but there has been no specific effort made in a publicity way, because there is no drinking water in the park; Groups using it bring in their own water supply. Councilman Snyder: I.am-not talking -about groups, but about a family that wants to go on a picnic. Mr. Gingrich: There has been no publicity as yet, strictly word of mouth. Item #17o Freeway Landscaping. Mayor Krieger: This breaks down into three areas:. 1 m Removal of debris; 2 ® Identifying species of trees; 3 ® Architectural plan for overall freeway landscaping. The staff comment on each of these is that the staff has the responsibility as far as the notification of C. C. 5/29/67 Page Twelve BEAUTIFICATION REPORT m Continued debris is concerned; the suitable species of trees as well as the uniform landscaping plan.is a part of the aspects of negotiations with the State on.completion of Freeway widening. • Councilman Snyder: Certain17 the State has had more experience with what species survive along the freeway. Mayor Krieger: Any specific action the council wishes to take -on any of those items? Councilman Gleckman: I think we ought to hold off on them. Item #18. Commercial Area Beautification. Mayor Krieger: The Committee recommendation is that a downtown image be created by integrating the Plaza and Alpha Beta Centers into.one large shopping center by a landscaped plan patterned after the Broadway Center and should be prepared by a landscape architect and presented to the property owners and merchants for approval. The staff strongly recommends the implementation of this plan for approval and as the council is aware the existing problem.is because of the many owners, etc. etc. Councilman Snyder: Who would pay for the landscape architect? Mr....Aiassa: That is where the city° s assistance would be needed.. Mr. Phil Wax: Mr. Mayor may I make a comment? (Agreed he might) There was a proposal at the West Covina Beautiful Board of Directors meeting to run a special fund raising affair, with the expectation of raising possibly 01500-to $2000 which was to be used on a basis with the property owners and merchants of the Central Business District area, in the hopes we could interest them in doubling this fund, so if the City would help in this particular field we might raise -enough -to make one big.splash. It seems like West Covina Beautiful raises a couple of hundred dollars and it doesn't go.very far in creating any type of beautification that would be lasting or setting A fine example, so we thought if we could make one big splash we might.get.others in the community interested in doing the same thing. Mayor Krieger: Inasmuch as t4is report --particularly concentrates on what has been identified as -the Central Busineess District the council may wish that this whole group of recommendations o Councilman Gillum is still the council liaison to the Central Business District Committee m perhaps .give . this .whole _.group of recommendations to the Central Business District Committee in conjunction with some of the private organizations that exist in the community and see if they come up with some overall recommendations to implement some of these specifics. Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that this matter be referred to the Central Business District Committee for their review and recommendation. Mayor Krieger: It has been moved and seconded that the recommendations of the Citizens Beautifi- cation Committee in the Commercial Area Report, that is recommendations 1, td 6fl be referred to the Central Businese District t ommitt-ee for -their _. review and recommendations on implementation. Discussion? Objection? No objections, so ordered. ® 12 Co Co 5/29/67 n BEAUTIFICATION REPORT - Continued Item #19. Publicity and Education, Page Thirteen Mayor Krieger: There is a number of specific items that all fall within the publicity and educational field. Some of this falls with in the purview of West Covina Beautiful and part within the province of the City if the City wants to get into these types of programs. What is the Council°s decision on these matters? Talking about poster contests, award programs, paint up, clean up and.fix,up?. Councilman Gleckman: I think, Mr. Mayor, we ought to turn that type of program over to the West Covina Chamber of Commerce and the West Covina Beautiful and let them come to us with the different pr.ogr.ams at different intervals with some type of.outline as to how they would approach this subject. I don't think we, as a City,.without their co- ogeration and without their recommendation should launch into any of these clean up, fix up, paint up programs because we would.have to have their cooperation to complete it, But I would like to let them know that we are interested in these types of programs and ask specifically that they come back with a recommendation to the City Council, Mayor Krieger: Councilman-.Gleckman:. Councilman Snyder-, That was a motion to West Covina Beautiful Chamber of Commerce? Right I second it, refer this to the and the West Covina Mayor Krieger: There has been a motion made and seconded to refer those recommendations having to do with publicity and education and residential paint up, clean up and fix up, collectively to the West Covina Chamber of -Commerce and West Covina Beautiful for their review and recommendations to the council for specific action in implementing these types of programs, Discussion? Objections? No objections, so ordered. I would like to comment that the Chamber of Commerce is still trying, I believe. to get their residential subdivision program off the ground and this may be something 'that would tie. in with.the programs and projects Of this subdivision and perhaps provide some cohesion for this aspect of the Chamber°s activities, I hope and I would like this to appear on the record that the .Chamber and West 'Covina, Beautiful will not just receive and consign them to some hilosphical abyss where we never see or hear of them again, but that they -comee-i-n with specific programs and recommendations, where the City in partnership with these organizations, can haunch specific programs. We all intend to agree on philosphy, but break down on implemention, so that it never goes any place; ANNUAL CITY AUDIT 1966-67 CONTRACT APPROVAL Councilman Gleckman-, I would like to know why we didn't get a staff recommendation? Mr, Aiassa: The City staff is not supposed to recommend, Councilman Gleckman: Mr,'Kay, who comes in contact with these people and I gather more or less observes the audit,,, Mr, Aiassa: The annual audit.is done on behalf of the council to see that the administrative staff honestly and sincerely administers the public funds. Councilman Gleckman-, Is there any doubt in your mind? ® 13 C, C. 5/29/67 ANNUAL CITY AUDIT - Continued Mr, Aiassa: • Councilman Snyder: Page Fourteen No, but I sure am not going to recommend an auditor. But they have asked for an increase of $150.00 Mr, Aiassa: Te think that is reasonable. This year .the. budget will be sizeable. Mayor Krieger: What disturbs me, this firm has been doing the audits for some years and the fee was exactly the same year after year, and then last year they increased it for the first time and their letter this year in pb sed. in almost the same language as if At is dawning on them -.that this year should be increased. too. Mr, Aiassa: On behalf of the staff, two years ago we requested through the council, that the auditor.audit the assessment dis- tricts, the amount due, collected and'de ositedo This is assurance for us, as far as the City is concerned that all these-1onds and receipts are followed through,- This is a latorious job, Mayor Krieger: But they did this last year, didn't they? Mr. Aiassa: And I think the time they estimated was a little short. . Councilman Gleckman: The only comment I would have, I am sure that other cities receive audits similar to what we have and I sure don't understand why this council doesn't have some comparison as to whether $1850. is too little or too much, Councilman Snyder: I would like to comment that since I have been on this council, one year we did consider different firms and we had different bids and this firm was the lowest, Cmuncilman.Gleckman:. How long does this. audit take? Mr, Aiassa: They..have to .do it -about twice a.year. Their first -time is goi & through- all the purchase orders, expenditures and ledgers and the journal, and then .they come back and reconcile all -the receipts collected and the Treasurer's office, It -takes them about 5 days for 5- men, working. continuously. Councilman Gleckman: The reason I ask m one of the sti.p.ulati ns of the contract reads ".all services to be completed by December 31, 1967" and I am just curious as to when they start this? Mr, Aiassa: They start right after Jul 1, when we close the books. They can t audit until we close the books, they do some preliminary work, they do most of the payroll work, but the actual.fiscal . closing of the accounts will not tale place until after July to Councilman Gleckman: I was just curious to know why it would take them from July 1, 1967 to December 31, 1967, that is giving them 6 months, Mr. Aiassa: It is actually a space of time., but t4ey can't come in and disrupt our entire operations, Councilman Gleckman: Can you give me some idea when we accepted the completion of the audit last year? ® 14 C, C. 5/29/67 Page Fifteen ANNUAL AUDIT ® Continued Mr, Aiassa: Councilman Gleckman: • staff report. You had the audit report in your file the meeting before the last. Well, I really don't know whether $1850. is too much or too little or what, If I had a staff report I would go on the Mr, Aiassa: I can give you some off the cuff opinions on audits. They can run-from- $1800 to $5000, depending on the degree of time they want to put in. In some of the cities I represented, five in all, as a City Manager, our audits- ran about $2000, so they are not out of line and with the number of accounts and emplovees we have and the amount of time they have to spend, and they also make recommendations. The last two audit reports they made numerous recommendations as to how to streamline certain operations, and they give the staff a lot of good pointers during the process of the auditing. We have made a few minor changes that have been time saving to us, Councilman Gleckman: How about with cur new.machin.er,y, will we increase efficiency:,r won't it have any effect on our method of operation? Mr. Aiassa: The only advantage you are going to have with automation is if we can put everything onto it, (Explained how it would work,) • Councilman Gleckman: The only other question I would have is in the last paragraph of their letter it says "if you.desire.a coiference relative to this matter we will be pleased to meet with you upon request" ® I was just curious ® evidently the staff doesn't feel it is necessary to.meet with them.and I think that is the way the staff report should have read. Mr, Aiassa: May I make one comment? We are very sensitive when it comes to anything like City Attorney and auditor, because that is strictly in the realm of the City Council but we will be glad to give you any information that trie counuii would like to have. Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded.by Councilman Snyder, that the council authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to sign a contract for $1850. with Cotton and Francisco, Redondo Beach,to do the audit for the City of West Covina for the year ending June 30, 1967, per staff recommendation. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman, Snyder, Mayor Krieger NOES: None, ABSENT: Councilman Gillum, USE OF ANTIQUE FIRE TRUCK BY EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION FOR JULY 4TH PARADE Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, • that the council grant permission for the use of the Antique Fire Truck in the 4th of July Parade, Councilman Snyder-, I would like to comment that I have been told there ar_e.many more requests for and I understand part of the prob emoisi anspo t n tge eruc*bje �aorfi�j cities from where the requests come from, and I am wondering since we do have a certain amount in the budget for public relations, if the staff shouldn't prepare some cost figures and recommendations for use as a public relations item for the consideration of the budget? ® 15 C. C. 5/29/67 Page Sixteen ANTIQUE FIRE TRUCK ® Continued Mr. Aiassa.- The only problem is we have to have drivers and we don't like to have anyone other than the firemen of West Covina drive the truck. When we had accumulated time and these men were willing to drive, it was fine. But, when we go a long distance it means overnight • lodging and also a place to store the truck. a Councilman Snyder: I agr . ee but I am wondering if in certain specific instances if this isn't justified if the request is made through the council and we have an account budgeted for it. Mayor Krieger-, I don't remember any requests that were made to the council and turned down. Councilman Snyder: They were not made to the council. „ .. Mayor Krieger* And then who were they made to? Councilman Snyder: Maybe I am talking out of school ... but I,understand that there have been 5 or 6 requests from different cities for the use of this truck that was never passed on to the council. Mayor Krieger: Maybe that is the problem. May if the action is merely to suggest to anybody to direct their request to the cou thalldesires the use o this Fire Truck nc • Councilman Snyder:, That is in effect what Iam saying. That we set it -up andconsiderit as a budget relations. item, as a specific instrument of public Mayor Krieger: and how much money is going to real blind item. Councilman Snyder: requesta should be handled. Councilman Gleckman: Councilman Snyder:. But how is. the City Manager. going. to. kn-ow who is going to make the request, how many times the request is going to be made be needed to fill the requests ® ® it is a That is exactly what I was asking for, that it be discussed in the budget, not only the amount of money but how the I have no objection. But there is no point in havingor even luvittng requests if we don't have a budget or it. Mr. Aiassa: One comment to. -the counaLl.. This truck was actually designed for the San Gabriel Valley area.and it is limited in its power to transport itself any distance, and it is also limited as to amount of insurance and things we can carry. We did send it, one year, to San Luis Obispo on a freight car, but it was sponsored by the Firemen's Association. They were trying to collect all the old fire trucks throughout the State of California, but they picked up the tab. I got one of the railroads to haul it but it was expensive. Councilhian Snyder: What I am saying again is I would like to I i see this discussed in the budget, plus a public relations instrument. met -hod of implementing its use as a Mayor Krieger: As far as implementing its Use I certainly agree, it is a very effective.piece of 16 Co C. 5/29/67 Page Seventeen ANTIQUE FIRE TRUCK ® Continued public relationship equipment, but what this has to do with the budget is beyond me. I am sorry. • Councilman Snyder: Well in the one instance it had to go to San Luis Obispo and it cost several hundred as to who was going to pay, dollars, and there was quite a bit of worry REQUEST FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL_ TO DISPLAY SNORKEL Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried_, that the council authorize the staff to make arrangements for the use of the Snorkel as requested in the letter of April 25, 1967, by Mr, R. K. Wilmer, Vice -President of Crown Coach Corporation, and as per the terms stipulated in that letter. Mayor Krieger: Let me ask a question - this is a piece of operational equipment. The request surprises me a little bit. All I have been hearing for • iears is that we need a Snorkel and we buy it and the first thing I know t is up in San Francisco at a display, Mr. Aiassa: Actually their delivery date is inclusive of this time. So actually we would not receive the equipment any sooner than it was scheduled on our contract. So give or take a day or two, the Fire Chief felt it would be worth it public relationwiseo Mayor Krieger: It would have been helpful to have the information before use 0ounoilman Snyder:. Don't they have one closer? Mr. Aiassa: They have none andjthis is why, and this is rather unique and it is the first Snorkel .to be painted yellow. JUNIOR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REQUEST FOR PARADE Motion by Councilman Gleckman seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that the council formally authorize the request of the Junior Chamber of Commerce, granting a parade permit on Saturday,June 3, 1967, as per their request, Mr, Aiassa: There was another item and that was they would • like to use some display cards, (Mr. Fast explained what it was they wanted and the length of time needed) Mayor Krieger: Does the council have any disapproval? None, so ordered. 17 C. C. 5/29/67 Pq.ge Eighteen SCHEDULE OF DATES FOR COUNCIL BUDGET HEARINGS Mr. Aiassa: The budget hearing dates are as follows: June 8 m Thursday; June 13 m Tuesday; June 15 Thursday; June 20 _ Tuesday is the date set for the joint meeting with the Personnel Beard. Mayor Krieger: on June 20th we will advise you time. Any objections? No objections, The time schedule will be as follows: June 8 ® 7:30 p.m.; June 13 - 7:30 p.m.; June 15.® 7:30 p.m.; and the joint meeting prior to that meeting with regard to the ABC APPLICATION FOR TRANSFER- OF ON-SALEGENERAL LICENSE B.A.I., INC. ® DBA EASTLAND LANES 2714 EAST GARVEY AVENUE - Moved by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that there be•No Protest. MAYOR'S REPORTS • RESOLUTION NO. 358.5 The Deputy City Clerk presented: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE ADOPTED CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING MADELINE SLATTERY FOR HER SERVICES TO THE,CITY OF WEST COVINA." Mayor Krieger: Hearing no objection, waiv6 further reading of the body of the resolution. Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that the city council adopt said resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows: AYES: Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman, Snyder, Mayor Krieger NOES: None ABSENT: Councilman Gillum RESOLUTION NO. 3586 The Deputy City Clerk presented: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING MRS. WALLACE D. KNUTSEN FOR HER SERVICES TO THE CITY OF -WEST COVINA." Mayor Krieger: Dearing n pb�ection, w ive further reading oy th body of he resolution. Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that the council adopt said -resolution,. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows: • AYES: Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman, Snyder, Mayor Krieger NOES: None ABSENT: Councilman Gillum RESOLUTION NO. 3587 The Deputy City Clerk presented: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING DR. DALE E. MADDEN FOR HIS SERVICES TO THE CITY OF WEST COVINA." 18 Co Co 5/29/67 Page Nineteen MAYOR'S REPORTS - Continued RESOLUTIONNOo 3587 - Continued s Mayor Krieger: Hearing no objection, waive further reading of the -body of the resolution, . Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that the council adopt said resolution. Motion carried on roll call vote as follows: -AYES_: Counellment Nichols, Gleckman, Snyder, Mayor Krieger NOES° None AB Nfi: Councilman Gillum COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS Councilman Nichols:- I have a very important personal social obligation on June 7th and this is the date of the Planning Commission meeting, and I.am the delegate. I would like to request my alternate, Dr. Snyder, to cover in my absence on that date, or someone else, if he cannot, (Dr. Snyder agreed to attend.) Councilman Snyder: • Mr, Aias.sa:. Councilman Snyder: Mr, Aiassa: Councilman Snyder: Mr. Aiassa: At the present time the City does not receive any money from beer licenses or liquor licenses? From A.B.C. What percentage? I would have to figure it out for you, but we get a rebate back from A.B.C. On the transferrable liquor license? No, on the actual physical sales, Councilman Snyder: Perhaps this is our province, but if we do get money back from the A.-B.C. it seems to me that the present method could be improved. It. was improved at onetime,' At the present time on the transferrable licenses these are sold by brokers and often go for many thousands more than their original cost. There was a recent sale in Orange County, I, believe the cost originally was $6600. and it went for $60,000 through a broker. It seems to. me the State and Cities are losing a great. deal of revenue this. way and the best method would be to handle alcoholic. beverages on the same basis as beer is handled. On a yearly basis - $1200 a year which would permit you to sell liquor and would give you a greater degree of control, because if the person didn't perform correctly during the year he could be refused renewal. I.am wondering,, if this is in the council province or if the legislature should be approached on it for changing this method? Mro Aiassa: The State pre-empts the field. • Councilman Snyder: We have a right to express our opinion. Right now' -the brokers are making a great deal of money that could be coming back to the State and Cities. A beer license has to be renewed yearly for a cert-i.n amount. Your liquor license, there are two kinds, a specific premise and those that are transferrable and especially the transferrable ones are bought for speculation only sometimes. It seems to me, I don't know which department of the State handles this Mr, Aiassa:. That is the Alcoholic Beverages Commission,. Mr. Bonelli was a member of that Commission, ® 19 C. C. 5/29/67 Page Twenty COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS - Continued Councilman Snyder: If the. City does receive some of these funds then -it is to our interest to correct what I believe is a bad practice going on right now, at least suggest correction,, Mayor Krieger: What would be the first step? Councilman Snyder: I am not prepared to make. a motion tonight and.I don't know if the council would support me, but perhaps the first step would be for the council to. make a request of the League of Cali- fornia Cities for a revision and their support regarding a revision of the liquor licensing, Mayor Krieger: Maybe we ought to get some background information on this first, Councilman Snyder:. By next meeting I will be prepared to. give you.some background information and ask for council support. That would be the best way - through the League? Mayor Krieger:.. If you intend to get anyplace in Sacramento, it would be, Councilman Nichols: Bring it up at the next meeting Councilman Snyder, with some background • you would suggest, information on this,and the approach Councilman Snyder: Also the City Treasurer did call me regarding this bill on appointing a City Treasurer, that we took no action on, and she was particularly upset that the bill, if it did pass, didn't make the provision that the City Treasurer had to come from within the City, but I think the same thing applies there as it does with the Planning Commission - that you can make your own Ordinance covering it, Mayor Krieger: Right and we took no action on it. Mr, Aiassa - the San Gabriel Valley Rabies. Clinic is that now scheduled for June 7? Mr, Aiassa: Yes, Mayor Krieger:.. I think this has quietly gone. b I y� didn't hear mention of it on our tape of the last meeting ® the refund adjustment on -our Workmens' Compensation of #27,688.55. I thought that was tr.emendous. It showed _a 36% return on the .premium on Workmens' Comp. audit. I think the staff deserves a great deal of "commendation for that, Councilman Snyder: Yes I think they do deserve commendation, because in the past'we have had to add • money. Mr, Aiassa:. But the premium has gone up to $76,OOO. Actually,' this is a small refund as to what they have increased our premium to. Councilman Snyder: But it does demonstrate the value�of more rigid medical examinations, it Mr. Aiassa: I can answer this very quickly, Mr, Mayor, As of this time I think we have retired those most highly eligible State 8omp, 20 Co Co 5/29/67 Page Twenty-one COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS P Continued risks that we had ® seven, So I hope we have easy sledding for the next two years. o q q q 0 q q q ©O p g O q q q Mayor Krieger: There is a letter from Dr. McColl, which I would like to see placed on our agenda for the first regular meeting in June - June 12t?a, I think the council should discuss as a matter of procedure that t�e Police Department might follow, Councilman Snyder: I have a question. 'Do the Police receive the same first- aid training that the firemen do.? Mr. Aiassa-, We are now installing a program Councilman Snyder-, That isn't my question. Do the police receive as extensive a first aid course as the firemen? Mr, Aiassas No, because the firemen run a rescue unit, Councilman Snyder: But in some cities they do. I make this comment because often the police are the .first. ones at the scene and -not the firemen and included in this study should be whether they should receive a formal first aid training, Mr, Aiassas We are now making it a rule that everyone receive first aid training and most of the police do receive it at the academy. Mayor Krieger-, The council held interviews last Wednesday night and I picked them up Saturday morning o with the three men I had not previously met. Does the council desire to have any futther interviews on these vacancies. of so we had better schedule it, Councilman Gleckman-, Unless someone has some names to add, Councilman Snyder: I would only comment that there was one councilman absent, which was you Mr, should be an o May r, and an a per ® el item t}�er pportunity for anyone �o express an op�n on on peop7Ce teing appointed and I am wondering if you wish to have a meeting with the council to express an opinion? Mayor Krieger-, I do, I am not asking it tonight because � Councilman Gillum is absent and I would like to extend to him the same courtesy that I feel should be extended to me, not being there last Wednesday night, •I have taken the opportunity of meeting these men so I would be qualifie-d to discuss their qualifications with the council. If no one is absent on Monday night's meeting, we can adjourn for an executive session, PRO C LAMAT I O ITS Mayor Krieger,-, Will, you please put these two items on the agenda for the next regular meeting? The Star Spangled Banner Association is a,eking for a National Flag Week, and the California State Employment Service is asking for Junc as Graduation Month, C.C. 5/29/67 Page Twenty-two Mayor Krieger-, I want to make some additional comments, I suppose you might call it a point of personal privilege for want of a better descriptive term. I missed the council meeting of May 22nd. This was'the first council meeting I missed in thirteen months as Mayor. A, matter appeared on this agenda which had been discussed at the meeting of the 15th, the week previous,. On the afternoon of the 23rd, which was Tuesday afternoon, I listened to the tape of the council discussion of the previous night on all agenda items, but there was one agenda item that I want to spend a.few moments on this evening. I.have taken the opportunity to discuss this at the very first meeting that I am in attendance. I am not going to discuss the council vote, it has never been my practice or desire to rehash votes. Once a matter has been decided that is the end of it, but I unfortunately find myself in the position of where I have to come to my own personal defense, which is the first time I have had to do that in the three and a half years of sitting on the council, on statement made on the record and attributed to me in my absence, when I was not here even to make a response. This I find a little unusual and because these comments that were made have been r-ad back to me by people whn T greatly respect and have established a certain amount of rapport with over years of serving on this asuncil,, I found them personally embarrassing to me. I therefore asked the staff for a transcript of the minutes of the meeting of the 22nd of May, that I was absent from, and,I would like to -only bring the council°s attention to and to set my feelings straight on the record tonight_ as to what I would have • said if I had been present when certain statements were made when I wasn't present and I couldn't make.the statements. The first statement I would life to respond to is the statement, 99that it is about time the City of. West Covina went on record trying to invite commercial development into the City rather than discourage it" ... I cannot recount the number of hours that this council has spent in a body and many of us, individually, has spent outside of this council chamber, particularly since the Real Estate Research Report from Mr. Webb and in'trips with Mr. Webb, and in private meetings with high end major retailers throughout Los Angeles County, to try and further .,,Lactly this idea of attracting commercial development into the City of West Covina. A Committee on Community Goals was constituted, which required a great deal of time, and a great deal of time was spent with these people creating the same type of climate. Certain discussions, that must remain private because they were private in nature, have been engaged in with the idea of encouraging commercial development into the City, and to mare it attractive for these people to come to this Community. It is inconceivable to me, in a discussion having to do with a one quarter quadrant of one interchange in this Community, that all of a sudden this Community is against commercial. I.have made the statement, where ever I have appeared in.public, that there is no conflict between the City of Beautiful Homes and the Headquarters Ciy, that the tax base of this Community is stropg ly supported b our sa es tax revenue and that we do have industry in the City of Wes Covina and it is commercial and that we have to do everything to support and encourag.e,. it, and I thought this council was- doing just that. Now, with respect to a conversation with the State Division of Highways, I want the record to show that I consider these honorable people, I want the record to show that I felt they dealt with me, -honorably. In the discussions we had with them, that they tried to be as frank as we attempted to be frank. I don't believe the State Division of Highways was attempting to "blackmail" us in any regard.. The statement that was made having to do with the possible consequences of a construction of a freeway design in one quarter was made in the most secondary way imaginable. It was not brought out as a matter of leverage or trade at all. The meeting that was referred to, was a meeting that the City participated in and the State Division of.Highways 22 C.-C. 5/29/67 Page Twenty-three participated in and Mr. Telford, who was there, at the very beginning of that meeting made some comments and those comments made at the beginning of the meeting, and indicated that Mr. Telford himself, he wasn't convinced of.this, he volunteered the information, it wasn't. a question of discussing it for 15 minutes to bring him around to a .point df view, Mr. Telford, indicated he had his own reservations and I have the notes of.that meeiingo He said he had his own reservation as to the proposed changes on the design for that quadrant but he felt on a balance the recommendation for revision was warranted and if there was going to be a reconsideration of the design all he asked was that the City of West Covina take the initiative in this matter and tell the State Division of Highways whether we wanted to retain the existing hook ramp or not. Now that to me is as frank as you can be, and statements that were made that flowed from that original statement of policy by the State Division of Highways, I don't think in any regard could be considered to be a representation that we were being hit over the head to do anything or that we'were being "blackmailed" by the State Division of Highways. The statement was made that after Mr. Telford left, that a remark was made that did not make an impression on the councilman who made the statement as it "might have with the Mayor but they can't bluff me". Now if I have been wasting my time in being'luffed by the State Division of .Highways in_these matters that have taken a considerable amount of my personal time, I am sorry,'but I felt that constructive good and positive progress was being made in our conver._sat_ions with the State Division of Highways and I brought tangible evidence back to thiscouncil, to the fact that we were making some headway in these conversations and they were made in an atmosphere of frankness and openness and reality. I have no apologies to make to this city council or to the City for the type of negotiations that we have engaged with the State Division of Highways, nor do I think that there is any member of that State Division of Highways that owes me or this council or owes this City any apologies for the way they have been trying to do their job too. There are certain areas where it is difficult to reach agreement, but I will be the last one to deny that at least the attempt is being made on both sidgs to reach such an agreement and I find it personally embarrassing to suggest that'the people that we are dealing with are not attempting to work this thing out in a frank and realistic manner,. I don't think it is called for to suggest or infer that I am being bluffed or I am.naive or something.is being put over on me or being put over on this City in these negotiations. I don't think the facts suggest it or the record suggests it, and I think I have been fighting about this Freeway long enough -that the State Division of Highways knows exactly my own personal feelings as to our needs for this Community and our desires to go forward. The meeting of the 15th took this on a matter of where it belongs strictly, a.matter of merits ® what are the relative merits, one as. -against the other' on pr.o_posit.ions and we _.dial .not .go -into A personal,it es, neither our own personal-ities,,r6P the State Division of Highway personalities. It is beyond me and_I was shocked to think that something like this has to involve into a matter of personalities and to illustrate the point I am talking about I want to quote directly from statements made at the meeting of May 22nda The statement was made another thought that.I just can't seem to understand with all the Community Goals, with all the Citizens Committees, with all the things we are trying to do this,pastyear in order to get this City moving in the proper direction, tl4at when it comes to a fellow like Mr. Eichenbaum or anybody, but the reason I bring up Mr. Eichenbaum°s name is because the Mayor brought this up at the meeting last Monday night" - m I have the minutes of the meeting of May 15th, and I am looking to find in the minutes of May 15th the name of Mr, Eichenbaumo This is the questid(ns that were put, I asked ® "if we buy this land, what are we losing?" ` Councilman Gleckman says "the development which is income to the City," ®23® Co Co 5/29/67 Page Twenty-four I ask, "How much do we lose in actual acreage, Mr, Fast?" Mr, past says "total -acreage 2.980" Councilman Gleckman says "I wont argue for the developer but I am sure if I ran a 1° drive right through the middle of your house Mrs Krieger we would only lose 1° but we Would also lose the houses now that is the best way I can describe its" • I said "11 let°s_Just talk about what we are losing in fact here Okay, I don°t have any other fi ureso" "Mr. Fast if we adopt this plan can he build uthat Precise ncilman kPlan?ays Mrs Fast says "No" and Councilman Gleckman says "thank and I said "what difference does it make if he could build thatsPrec Plan, I could care less if he could build that Precise Plan I Precise talking about his Precise Plans I am talking9 am not talk land,. land, what have we lost in commercial land. land,Let I want to redesign any type of commercial plan he wants to, I want him know we:lose in land," w what statement o Now this left me open apparently for the follows in the minutes of May 22nd`�the Mayor went on record that he could care less about a Precise Plan that has already been given a building permit by this City to bring in a ten million dollar commercial development for our benefit as well as the developersddn't,P1 I don't see Mr. Eichenbaum°s name mentioned an y lace.bring up his Precise Plan and as far as I am concerned Ilamistill®ven talking now about what I was talks was lands How much land are we losing,ngabout on the 15th of May and that all I was talking about, And I listto®aa ttapcesofaarmeeti This is not even present and the Mayor goes on record as far as being that I am let ten million dollar commercial development go down the d�iwilling to • n, about when a atatemenjhI I u e tK Covi what are o t lki Ward is concerned you at.as far a Iongomey I am supposed to have rsaiduP°thenMa� �said�atithathe City e of Covina? concerned with the traffic that had to get to Montgomery Ward�°BnoI would like to read for the record the statement I made about this because I am hoping that the friends I have made and people I have tried to work with over the years will listen to this statement as well, as the service to Montgomery Ward is concerned that is not m"Now as far concern, it may be the City of Covina�,but it is not my priconcern, primary concern and I don't think the balancing of interests City of Covina has been faced with hthe'same we have been in determination on this interehangeo I can see very well if we were only concerned with Montgomery Ward I would be motivated to as easily and painlesslyas get the traffic into that area councilman.ssys "let's orget abouteMontgomeAndrythen Ward.o.he following aa The council has voted on the Barranca.Avenue north quadrant and I am perfectly content, as I have been time after time, to let the matter stand on the vote of the council, have been directed at one councilman who spoke that even My remarl-s want to direct �y remarks at the entire council because u but I sat there and a�.lowed statements to be made abo$xt a councilman gentlemen supposedly, said things that wasn't even present, and that is exactly what happened to me last we-ek. Every statement I made tonight has , been made for one purpose and one about Barranca Avenue northeast but forsthe saleonlynd that is noteof eto n talk myself, which is an awkward and unusual, and believe me�distastefudi lng Position to be in. I am sorry it was necessary for me to come before you .to make these statements for the record so I can keep my own name; tbut I can't begin to tell you how sick I was when I listened to the tape of this meeting9 ape Of , i were talking found that we weren't talking about northeast man that wasn't even preessentoutlsamtsuretthat asome.O made by e council- man say, f you have something Councilman Nicholso Well Mr, May®r, may I respond this way, I can' possibly put myself intointt response to the reactions ®to the minutes that your personality, nor Your frame of reference, nor into your to be involved in only one area here, that is you have read, I seem Your directed final �24- O.C. 5/29/67 Page Twenty-five comment to the entire council and you stated, the inference in your statement was that somehow this council as a body should have halted what you felt was an assualt in some fashion on yourself. Let me say, in the context with the conversation of that night, I at no time conceived that anybody was quoting you inaccurately. I assume that when a councilman quotes you he is quoting you. I don't proclaim to • remember back to your exact words nor your analysis of each council- man°s words in terms as to whether or not he is misquoting someone. And,:on top of that the Mayor Pro tem was presiding officer at the meeting, so I think any allusion that you make that this entire council should have changed the nature of the commentary or challenged the statement of some other councilman, is not in keeping with my understanding of my role here as a councilman. Now if you have anything to bring up at anytime about me as a councilman and misquoting you, then I would accept your criticism, if I felt it was valid, but I don't accept any criticism that I should have played some role in changing any other councilmen's comments at that meeting, Councilman Snyder: I can only say my role is the same as Mr. Nichols, except I was not at the meeting of the 15th where these quotes were taken from. I can only say this, I agree with you that we should be careful in quoting other councilmen when they sometimes are not present, We U1 do this or have done it, tend to quote in the context that help our own argument, however, I think the Mayor Pro tem that night was arguing strongly for his cause in attempting to sway our feelings and maybe he got carried away a little bit, but I at no time got any derogatory feeling from his expressions of what you said. Again had I, I would • have challenged it, but I really didn't and I wasn't at the meeting before and I couldn't challenge the accuracy of the statements. I agree with you that the quadrant should be made on merit alone, as well as economics, and I was swayed by the economic factors of the matter. Again at no time that night did I feel that the Mayor Pro tem attempted to put you in a bad light. I think he was trying to win an argument ® ® which he did, Councilman Gleckman: Mr. Mayor, First of all I would like to go on record as saying to you that at no time has any member of this council, including myself, tried or purposely misquoted you to put you in a bad light. Now you have taken remarks out of context and made an issue out of it. So let's go back to those same remarks and take some of the remarks out of context that you said, if you would like to turn it into that. And, I may quote on Page 12 of the minutes of 5-15-67, which I may add this council has not seen before this evening and we have not corrected and also the minutes that you refer to and that you have taken quotes out of context, that this council has not seen, and the interpretations you put on those comments, not being here, could be anything you want them to be. Now go back to 5-15-67, Page 12, remarks attributed to Mayor Krieger -"I am not willing to run the risk of closing that off iomMe tnaiao 'rampha kBwarerancao�ooNowcas aee eom hosev wotremarks, you were the only one that brought up in front of this council, that the State Division of Highways told us that they could and may very well close that off ramp if they saw fit. Since the meeting in the State Division of Highways office I find that it isn't that simple, yet you alluded to this as one of the reasons behind your concern as to • whether we should adopt the State plan or the one that I was talking about. You also, Mr. Mayor, if I may point the finger, put me on the spot as to having to prove that the plan I was fighting for was better than the State°s plan and I in no way have to prove to you or anybody else that my plan is better than the State plan, because it isn't my plan. I looked at the overall situation -" I talked to you on the phone that afternoon, I told you that I -wished you.were going to be here, I was sorry that you were sick. You said"I would like a decision on that this evening," �5 Ca C, 5/29/67 Page Twenty -Six Mayor Krieger: That is all I did says not the balance of it. Councilman Gleckman: Just a minute Dr. Snyder I.don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hi4, but it seems the Mayor has taken offense to certain • remark-s I made and of courses I can't..... just a minute Councilman Snyder: May I...... Point of order takes preference Councilman Gleckman: Alright, it will give me time to relax..... Councilman Snyder: Are we really arriving at any benefit by this discussion? Councilman Gleckman: None.Dr. Snyder, except I.want the Mayor to realize that the remarks I made were general remarks in comments to what he had miLde the week previous, whether they were exactly his meaning or not. Never have I said "and remember these are the Mayor's remarks" And I think anybody else outside of the Mayor listening to that tape would never have got the impression that the Mayor came here this evening . i.prepared to talk about the information in front of him, as none of us have. And I would say to him that when I receive the minutes of 5®22m67, if in those minutes I feel I have slighted the Mayor then at that time I will make note of it, but until such time that I receive the same benefit that the Mayor has taken upon himself to do, there is no further comment that I can make except to say that I am sorry that Mayor Krieger got this impression because at no time in the past and I hope no time in the future, do I seek to embarrass him or the office of the Mayor. Councilman Snyder: Really it seems to me that perhaps again we haven't had to sit and listen to the criticism that has come in because of the remarks misconstrued, but really there is no much difference of opinion here...... Mayer Krieger: Again Dr. Snyder and gentlemen of tbA nn,.,rr•il I brought it up not as a matter of substance, I. brought it up as a matter of procedure. I think it is extremely had procedure to quote a member of this council when he is not -present and because I happen to be the one in this particular inatahoe,,I am the one who brings it up before this council, I think it is extremely bad procedure to quote a man that is not present. That is exactly the reason I brought it up and the only reason I brought it up. Councilman Snyder: I would agree on that and I think you would too Mr. Gleckman, Councilman Gleckman: Yeas but not under the conditions, the auspicies or the intent that Mayor Krieger makes mention here, Mayor Krieger: Gentlemen, is there any further business before the council this evening? Mr. Aiassa: Yes Mr. Mayor.. I have two -items. I would like to advise the council that we have opened the bids for the Civic Center. There were eleven bidders and we have now taken the bids under submission and it is rather important that we adjourn to a meeting on June 5th because this is probably the night the bids will be awarded. Mayor Krieger: Also the matter of Swimming Pools will be dis-cussed m the Blue Ribbon Committee report, (Discussion. Agreed to adjourn.) ® 26 Co C. 5/29/67 Page Twenty-seven Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that the meeting adjourn at 9:50 p.m. to June 5, 1967, at 7:30 P.m. ATTEST 0 0 CITY CLERK APPROVED 09 Mayor.