04-10-1967 - Regular Meeting - Minutes.. �q
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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR .MEETING OF THE .CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINA , . CALIFORNIA
APRIL 10, 1967.
The regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Krieger at 7: 32
o'clock P: _M . , in the West Covina City Hall. Councilman Snyder led the Pledge of
Allegiance. The invocation was given by Rabbi Klein,. Citrus Valley Jewish Temple
Center.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Krieger, Councilmen Nichols, Snyder, Gleckman
Absent: Councilman Gillum
Others Present: George Aiassa, City -Manager
Robert Flotten, - City Clerk
Harry C . Williams, City Attorney
HermanR. Fast, Public Service Director
Owen Menard, Planning Director
George Zimmerman,. As s't . City Engineer
Robert Gingrich,. Director of Recreation.& Parks
Dominic Veronda, Commissioner - Recreation & Parks Com.
Robert Nordstrom, Commissioner - Recreation & Parks Com.
Donald Russell, Administrative Assistant
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
March 13, 1967 - Approved as corrected as follows:
Mayor Krieger: I would offer two corrections; page 14 a statement
attributable to me in the last third of the page where it
says "I would again express my opposition to the pro-
posed resolution as it has to do with the matters of search and seizure in juvenile
courts, " the statement was "of search and seizure and juvenile courts". On page
25, top of the page, where the `Minutes- read:- "A provision plan. " This should
read "A provisional plan. "
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that
the Minutes of. March 13, 1967, be approved a 5,.-cotrec_ted.
March 27, 1967 - Approved as corrected as follows-
Mayor- Krieger: I would offer the following corrections, page 7 the second
to the last paragraph where the statement was made
attributable to the Mayor, we have a "rebuttal presumption".
The word is "rebuttable.' On page 14, attributable to Councilman Gillum, the second to the
last paragraph where it says "May I ask :.Mr. .Menard a question with regard to this
letter? (Mentioned a name)" the name is .Mr. Lohmar. On page 18, the roll call on
Ordinance No. 991 was in the affirmative as indicated and should indicate "Noes:
None" and "Absent: None. " On page 26, the first statement attributable to
Councilman Gleckman having to do with the lefthand turn the statement reads "tickets
given out there by people not wanting to disobey the law" and it should read "tickets
given out there to people not wanting to disobey the law_. "
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES - Continued
-Motion by Councilman. Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
the minutes of March 27, 1967, be approved as corrected.
CITY CLERK'S REPORTS
PRECISE''PLAN NO. 435 LOCATION: Barranca Street between Walnut
ACCEPT STREET'IMPROVEMENTS Creek Wash and Mesa:Drive.
WELDWOOD STRUCTURESDIVISION
APPROVED Accept street improvements. Authorize the
release of Federal Insurance Co. , perform-
ance bond No. 8031-67-23 in the amount
of $11, 000.00.
`Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by. Councilman Gleckman, and carried, to
--accept street improvements Precise .Plan No. 435 and authorize the release of the
—Feder-al Insurance Company performance bond No. 8031-67-23 in the amount of
$11,000.00.
PRECISE PLAN NO. 494 (R) LOCATION: North side of Valley Boulevard,
ACCEPT STREET IMPROVEMENTS west side of Sentous Avenue.
LIVELY CONSTRUCTION CO.
APPROVED Accept street improvements. Authorize the
release of the Travelers Indemnity Company
performance bond No. 1384538 in the
• amount of $4, 900. 00.
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, to
accept street improvements Precise Plan No. 494 (4) and authorize the release of The
Travelers Indemnity Company performance bond No. 1384538 in the amount of $4, 900.00.
TRACT 26098
ACCEPT STREET IMPROVEMENTS
EVANWOOD CONSTRUCTION CO.
APPROVED
No. 180048 in the amount of $10, 000.00.
LOCATION: East side of California Avenue
south of Bainbridge Avenue.
Accept street improvements and monument
installation. Authorize the release of
Bank of America time certificate of deposit
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, to
accept street1 mprovements Tract 26098 and authorize the release of Bank of America
time certificate of deposit No. 180048 in the amount of $10, 000.00.
FINANCING OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY LOCATION: Orange Avenue between
"FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT STORM Sherway Street and Puente
DRAIN BOND ISSUE - PROJECT Avenue and Azusa Avenue
NO. 743 and 8402, UNIT 2 from Walnut Creek Wash to
.APPROVED San Bernardino Freeway.
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I think the Council realizes that our bid
came in on Badillo Ave:: ,lower than
anticipated and the $36;400 that we needed for deposit was not needed and the
staff is recommending we take $22, 171.00 of this money allocate it.`for:the Orange
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS - Continued
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Avenue Drain Project No. 743 and the remainder of the $36, 400.00 be deposited in the
Storm Drain Fund of the City.
• Mayor Krieger: This $36, 400. 00 that we deposited as against a possible
shortage on Badillo, was part of that $36, 400.00 supposed
to be the contribution that we advance for the City of
Covina as well? So when you talk about that. $36, 400.00 now being available in fact
that $36,400.00 isn't available. .It was only a portion ofWh-atthe City was going to
contribute.
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: The whole bid came in low enough to
actually cover Covina, . in other words
Covina is not short now.
Mayor. Krieger: I mean if the bid had been over the allocation then the
$36,400.00 was supposed to be a joint participation of the
City of Covina and the City of West Covina.
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Actually we were going to advance it for
the City of Covina, because they did not
have appropriations until sometime after
July 1.
Councilman Gleckman: I was under the impression that we had authorized the
• $36, 400.00 as the City Manager said, to cover Covina's
deposit because they did not have the funds and we
wanted the job done. Now we find that the bid came in lower than expected, there-
fore we do not have to advance that $36, 400.00 so it is available now to proceed
with against this project.
Mayor Krieger: I understand that, but when the report says we have
$36,400.00 available we are talking about our left pocket
and right pocket and part of the pocket had the hand of
Covina in, so as far as the monies being available is concerned, had it been necessary
Covina would have had to come in with a part of that and it would have been a
reimbursement item to us.
Councilman Nichols: I believeXthe area of possible misunderstanding is ther"/cr TNAr T./E
$36,400.00 fund is all money. from our kmaid 11111 LOCAL
Storm Drain UMW fund. Is that right Mr. Aiassa?
City Manager,.Mr. Aiassa: Yes. Citygets refunds-depositTed with the
district.
Mayor Krieger: I admit all of the monies are our monies but we are not in
fact saving $36, 400.00 because this bid came in.
• City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: We anticipated a higher bid and we got a
lower bid.
Councilman Nichols: It doesn't infer, Mr. Mayor, that we are saving $36, 400 it just
says the funds are available from that source,
Mayor Krieger: That part is understood.
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CITY COUNCIL REPORTS - Continued
"City `Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I think what the -Mayor is sayingi's that'this mo.pey.was
actually available but we used it on one project and
then just transferred it to another project.
'Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, to
approve ,the added expenditure of $22, 171 .00 for the Orange Avenue storm drain, and
also authorize the use of the funds from the $36,400.00 deposit for -Project 1123
Badillo Avenue, to handle the excess over the budgeted $75, 000.00.
RESOLUTION NO. 3556 The City Clerk presented:
TRAFFIG_SIGNALS "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING
ADOPTED APPROVAL OF. CITY-STATE PARTICIPATION
AGREEMENT NO. 2105. "
Mayor Krieger: Hearing no objections, the °chair will waive .further reading
of the body of the resolution.
:Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that said
resolution be adopted. Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Nichols,
NOES: None
• ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
PLANNING COMMISSION
RESOLUTION NO. 1942
DISAPPROVED
Snyder, . Gleckman, Mayor Krieger.
The City Clerk read Resolution No. 1942.
Mayor. -Krieger: A fair statement of the law, Mr.. City Attorney, that
this 'irfterprLtation of the Planning Commission is not
binding upon the City Council and is not law unless
adopted by the City Council?
City Attorney, Mr. Williams: Yes, .it must be approved by the City Council
and that approval can be by motion.
Councilman. Snyder: This concerns me somewhat for several reasons. One
factor that led to the weight of argument in granting
this - this particular motel is located on the north of the freeway, east of the*E1
.Dorado, and the zoning was granted by variance or special use permit because at
that time we did not have a highway use zone. However, what really concerns me
is if we grant a restaurant in the R zone, even though its restricted to his motel,
that sooner or later the owner can say that there isn't enough use from the motel
•and will ask for it to be opened up for public use or outside doors . . Secondly,
it also opens the way for more variances in granting restaurants in motels in
other areas of the City. I am not convinced that this is the correct approach. That
the change of zone which would allow a restaurant wouldn't be the most proper
approach. .May I ask the Planning staff the zoning on each side of that motel,
is what?
Planning Director
Mr. .Menard: Commercial zoning to the E1 Dorado Motel to the west,
and if I am not mistaken, a land use variance allow-
ingthe motel to the east.
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PLANNING COMMISSION - Continued
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Councilman Snyder: But this is the kind of problem when. we do things by
variance that keeps extending itself and gets out of
hand. Although again, for that particular motel and
• °particular location, I am not against a restaurant, but I am not convinced that, this
i-s-the- proper approach,, that they shouldn't ask for a change of zoning or another
variance.
CityAttorney, Mr. Williams: This in effect says that the motel itself carries
a restaurant if it has so many units.
Councilman Nichols: I am inclined to agree with Dr. -Snyder. .It has been
only recently that I brought to the attention of the
council, and staff, where a restaurant supposed to be
incidental to another use was allowed in a zone that does not normally permit that
type of use and then when business conditions were such that .it was felt there
needed to be an .appeal to the public to patronize that use, .it came into- obvious
conflict with the laws as they exist. I think .where we permit this type of an opera-
tion to exist and we stipulate that entrances, etc. , must be interiorwise, we are
really saying in effect, because of the zone, because of these entrance requirements,
that this is a use auxilliary to the primary use and therefore, 'it°s calculated or approv-
ed'b:y this body entirely to that business and not as a use to the general public. Yet,
almost inevitably in a short time these uses trend to become public uses. I believe if
the motel or facility is located in a zone that should properly be a commercial zone
where a restaurant would be allowed that it should receive that zone, but if it. is
• not in that zoning that they note it at that time that they make application for use and
that it is not permitted, at least, in this City, and if they beg later ignorance it is
their problem and not ours. I believe that we should hold to the zones that we have
and change the zones where indicated, and not try to solve every problem by specific
moves of this sort to save someone that finds `.himself in a bind in someway.
Councilman Gleck.man. I believe that the thought here has some merit, but I
also go along with Dr. Snyder and Councilman Nichols.
I think we are asking for trouble if we put this in R zoning. I think of the Town
House complex we have at present in our City which would at anytime in the future
need any type of development like that, would also call for the permission of
putting in a restaurant. I think., along with what the other councilmen have said,
I don't agree it should be included in the R zone.
Councilman Snyder: I am wondering if this hadn't ought to be sent back to
the -Planning- Commission. I don't know what action
could be taken on it if it were sent back..... .
Mayor Krieger: You suggested as a reasonable alternative,.. Dr.
Snyder, and I believe the other councilmen concurred,
that this would be a matter, of zoning, rather than a matter of interpretation or a
matter of variance. -So we have zoning on our books to cover, this kind of a
•situation. You are being asked to pass upon the Planning Commission's judgment
as to a interpretation, either you approve or disapprove.
Councilman, Snyder. Then. if you read the heading of the resolution we can.
vote on it and just rej ect it.
City Attorney,
.Mr. Williams: The motion would be to disapprove the- interpretation —
and .refer the --matter back to the Planning Commission.
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PLANNING COMMISSION - Continued
Motion by Councilman .Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that Resolution
No.' 1942 be disapproved and the matter be referred back to the -Planning Commission.
Mayor -Krieger: I question : the motion for the benefit of the Planning
Commission, now assuming the motion 'pass -es, what
action is the council intending that the Planning Commission ;sho.uld, take on this
matter?
Councilman -_Nichols: May I ask a question to refresh my memory of a few
mir-=6s .ago? Mr. Menard, did you not say that there
-was C zoning adjacent to this parcel?
Planning. -Director,
Mr., Menard: Yes, immediately to the west.
Councilman Nichols: Is that a single location.0 zoning or, is it contiguous
with other .... ?
Planning. Director,
.'Mr. Menard: There is additional C zoning, if my memory serves me
correctly, covering several service stations, but the
bulk of the land use is by the El( -'.Dorado Motel.
Councilman Snyder. I think the motion doesn't need to be referred back to
• the Planning Commission, just be disapproved. The
General Plan indicates this should be highway
commercial, but we have never developed highway commercial.
Mayor Krieger: My point is simply this 'Dr.. Snyder, I can see where
the applicant who came in for this interpretation might.
want to do something and specifically from the
comments made by the council he might want to file a zone application, but I don't
think we want the Planning- Commission to take the initiative on behalf of this
applicant or any other applicant to initiate a zone change for them.
Councilman Gleckman: I withdraw .... last part of #MV
motion.
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: Motels are permitted in the commercial zone. In
other words there is a zone where both a motel and a
restaurant can be accommodated.
Mayor Krieger: There is a compatible zone now.
Councilman Gleckman: Isiz't there someplace that you feel within our City
that sometime in the future somebody could come in
with a similar problem and where the zoning, we
•ourselves would feel that we would not want to get involved with because you can
not zone with the idea .of what is going in there, you either zone because those
types of uses can go in and which are multiple amount, not just strictly a
rest,eiurant. _ One of the reasons :I wanted it to go back to the'Planning Commission was be-
ca-usetheysmay come: ups with,wher;e: there.l:sl a motel unit -that has- under,_75 units under a
special use permit or whatever recommendation they would make to us to handle a
situation of this type rather then just say "no, . it is not the zone, . we don't want
it there, and that's it. "
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Page Seven
Councilman- Snyder: One further thingwrong with this, they also allowed a
sign stating that the restaurant is a part of the motel
use. -Right there it says it is going to be for public
. use even though the doors are inside. And, so again.I think each problem is going
�to--be specific and if we do by variance or send it back to the Planning Commission
and they do it by variance or special use permit it is going to snowball and will have
'to be done that way all the time and .I think the proper way -is through zoning.
-~Mayor, Krieger: Do we have any existing problems to your knowledge
Mr..Menard, on existing motels within the City that
would be of the size inherent in the Resolution of the
Planning. Commission that either have or desire to have restaurant facilities that are
already developed as a motel?
Planning Director,
~,Mr. M-enard: No, I know of no particular problems other than the
one that triggered the request for the interpretation.
Mayor Krieger: It seems to me then it is .a.'prd'spective rather then an
existing retro-active problem they were trying to deal
with. And there is no problem then because if we dis-
agree with their interpretation .I don't think there would be further action that they
would have to take.
• Councilman Snyder: I listened to their discussion and they had no
alternates at that time.... .
Councilman Gleckman: I would amend my motion to read denying
_ the resolution of the'Planning Commission
of the City of West Covina regarding interpretation of Municipal. Code 9219.4.
Mayor Krieger: Do you accept that Dr... Snyder?
Councilman Snyder: Yes, :: , _ ,:;
;M.otion carried denying. and..disa.pproving. -Planning .Commis sion Resolution 1942.
REVIEW PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION
OF APRIL 5, 19 6 7. -
SCHEDULED MATTERS
BIDS'
PROJECT SP-67019
• STREET IMPROVEMENTS
Fred Weisz .& Associates
Crowell & Larson
Laird Paving Co.
Aman Bros.
..So indicated by Mr. Flotten.
LOCATION: : Sentous Avenue, . Valley Boulevard,
to Valley View Avenue.
Bids were received in the office of the City
Clerk at 10: 00 A.M., on Wednesday,. April
5, 1967. The bids received are as follows:
10% bid bond
7
$ 9,976.25
10,259.75
10,308.92
10,459.88
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BIDS - Continued
Sully -Miller 10% bid bond $12, 890.45
Louis S. Lopez " 13, 456.39
. Schropp Co. 13, 826.46
Vernon -Paving Co. 15, 225.00
"'Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that the low unit
price bid of Fred .Weisz & Associates of Walnut for Project SP-67019 be accepted,
and that the'Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to execute an agreement with the
said..Fred Weisz & Associates -for the work. Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Nichols, Snyder, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
ABSENT: . Councilman Gillum
HEARINGS
SLIGHT MODIFICATION NO. 49 LOCATION: 184 North Willow Avenue,
Michael. Whelan,. Jr. between Pacific Avenue and
Channing- Street.
DENIED
• Request for reduction in required lot depth
and area in Zone R-A denied by Planning Commission Resolution No. 1941. -Appealed
by applicant on March 16, 1967.
'Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by. Councilman .Nichols, that the affidavits
on -Slight Modification No. 49 be received and filed. Motion carried.
(Mr.. Flotten, City Clerk, read Planning- Commission Resolution No. 1941)
Mayor Krieger: This is the time and place for the public hearing.
IN FAVOR
None.
IN OPPOSITION
None.
There being no public testimony, the public portion of the hearing was closed.
• Councilman Gleckman: Is :Mr. Whelan in the audience, or any representative?
Mayor -Krieger: Strange. .Was there any communication, the gentleman
appealed this to the -Council?
Planning Director
Mr. Menard: I have heard nothing other than the appeal. .We have not
received a communication from the applicant
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HEARINGS - Continued
Mayor Krieger: Was the applicant notified that it was on tonight's
agenda?
City Manager,
Mr. Aiassa: I don't know.
City Clerk,
`Mr..Flotten: Notices were sent to 8 property owners in the area.
Councilman Nichols: I think this request certainly provides us with still
additional evidence that there is a growing feeling that
some relief should be provided for what we term the
area of deep lots in our City. .During the past months since, I believe, a number of
people'Were .in before the Council where a water line was to come through, and -there
were s.ome-.reVests. for -ellef'-at;that. .time.I have had many occasions to drive
`through that area and I see an area that is beginning to deteriorate rather badly ,in
some sections, 'Perhaps a bit of bad ,':unfair form to say. that I have come to feel very
strongly, that some type of zoning relief has to be given to that area .in the best
-interests of thepeople that own those properties and the best interests of the City
-of West -Covina. However, I do not feel that this type of request is in any sense a
proper, solution to the deep lot problem and I would not want to see a precedent
established through creating flag lots in that area.
Councilman. Snyder: As you recall, two years ago, we had a rather
• extensive study on the deep lot program and it came
up with some recommendations but really no strong
ones-and no answers. .I believe it is part of the contract with the General Plan
consultant-- to is.tudy the problem of this deep lot area and help us find some
.answer. It may be that flag lots are the only solution. I think we need to do
more than study; we need to come up with some answers, some,guidelines on how to
handle:"this. It is not an easy problem, but it is a part of the General Plan study and
contract .
Motion by Councilman Snyder, . Seconded by. Councilman Gleckman, and carried that
Slight Modification -.No. 49 be :denied.
VARIANCE 'NO. 595 LOCATION: 126 S..Glendora Avenue
WILLIAM.. SULLIVAN
Request for non -conforming identification signs in
.HELD -OVER Zone C-1 denied by Planning Commission Resolution
No. 1918. Appealed by applicant on September 14,
1966. Held over from October 24, 1966, with hear-
ing held open.
.Motion by Councilman Nichols,, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried,
that the Council hold over the' matter of Variance No. 595 to the August 14, 1967,
• regular council meeting with the hearing open.
Councilman Snyder: It might be advisable to notify Mr.. Sullivan to state
his feelings regarding this type of sign and
justification on the hearings on the sign ordinance.
Mayor Krieger: I think.Mr.-Sullivan has been active in this endeavor.
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HEARINGS - Continued
ZONE CHANGE ..NO. 375
CITY "INITIATED
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LOCATION- Property adjoining Barhite's -
west side of Orange Avenue between
Badillo and Grovecenter Streets.
Request to change from Zone R-A to C-2
approved by Planning Commission Resolution No.
1943.
"Motion by. Cduncilman Gleckman,. seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that the affidavits of publication and mailing be received and filed
PLANNING COMMISSION LOCATION, Property adjoining Barhite's
RESOLUTION NO. 1943 west side of Orange Avenue between
ZONE CHANGE NO. 375 Badillo and Grovecenter Streets.
CITY INITIATED
APPROVED C-1 ZONE The City Clerk read the entire Re solution.
Mayor Krieger: This is the time and place for the public hearing.
IN FAVOR
None.
IN OPPOSITION
Mrs. Ernest Ayres
1839 W. Grovecenter St. We live directly back of that strip C-2. What is
that proposed to be?
(Mr. Menard, Planning -Director, pointed out on the map the area under consideration.)
Mayor .Kr, ieger: Mrs. Ayres, your residence is where?
Mrs. Ayres: The second house from the corner. May I ask is C-2
supposed to be apartments ?
Mayor Krieger: The council will discuss any questions you have
during the council discussion on it. .As far as any
uses that will be discussed at the time of our dis-
cussion.
Mrs. Ayres: Oh, I see, then.C-2 .is not definite, it could be used
as several uses.
Mayor Krieger There are multiple uses permitted in-C-2.
• Mrs. Ayres: You want that strip that is in there/which looks like
it is useless - unless it is changed into C-2 we
don't -wish apartments against the back of our pro-
perty. Not opposed to business but to apartments,
Mayor Krieger: There being no further public testimony, the public
hearing portion is closed. Will you please read
off the allowable uses in Zone C-2, Mr. Menard?
(Mr. Menard, Planning Director, read the allowable uses in Zone C-2.)
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Councilman Snyder: Would you in addition state the philosphy of C-2 as
compared to C-1 ? C-1 is neighborhood commercial,
C-2 is the type of commercial that takes over a
• little wider area and heavier uses than C-1. .C-3 in effect is the heavy regional
service commercial facilities, is that correct?
Planning Director,
Mr. Menard: That is correct.
Councilman :Snyder: In the earlier zoning to the East, . I argued for C-1
because it seemed to me this particular parcel was
not necessarily a part of the other larger parcel and
had a different set of conditions facing it on Orange,Avenue then this facing
. Badillo. I think the-C-2 zoning is already there on Badillo and has been there for
...-a -long time. The extension of the C-2 back in the white •area - - there was some
discussion in the Planning Commission whether they should make it C-1 or C-2.
C- l there; -really offered no advantage -over C-2 . . In effect it will be a parking -lot
,anyway, also I believe the setbacks -are the same in both zones. I have no
opposition to the Planning Commission's thinking in granting C-2 .in this area,
however, I still think it was correct to grant C-1 on the other little parcel to the
ebrst.
Mayor.- Krieger: We are considering commercial zoning on this
property. .Mr. Menard, this does not permit
apartment houses? Is that correct?
Planning -Director,
Mr. Menard : It would not include apartment houses.
Councilman Gleckman: Once again, I can't understand a parcel being left
in that. zone between a residential R-1 development
and a commercial C-2 development, unless there
was some reason for it or some conditioning for it by the previous City Council.
Now, when that C-2 was first applied for and first brought in, do we have a
record of what the conditions were for granting that C-2 ? The thing I am getting
at, and it sure looks that way to me, . I could be wrong, but it sure,looks to me
like this was the so-called buffer zone at that time, that the people living in the
area wanted or, the council felt was the proper protection for the R-l',development.
.And it seems to have been a common practice,to leave that land that way until
such time in the future a new city council is elected, or new owners move into the
area and then come in and get the highest zoning on any basis they can. •Mr.
Menard, do we have any record of the basis on which that land was -zoned C-2?
Planning -Director,
.Mr..Menard: No, I don't Mr. Gleckman. The only information we
have is a verbal report from the attorney on this
parcel of. land (pointed parcel out on map) who
indicated this was the legal description here, he didn't substantiate or refute the
statement.'
Councilman !Snyder: Certainly if it was done for the purpose of buffering,
it was a poor subterfuge because this would be a
poor way to buffer. It was found the best way to
buffer is by Precise Plan ,
Councilman Gleckman: Well the only thing.I was thinking of Doctor is that
first they came in .with the R-A parcel to get that
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zoned C-2 an_d it` was all connecting and it does front on the street so theaccess
would have been there. How deep is that parcel.?
• Planning Director,
.. 'Mr. Menard:
55' deep, 425' in length.
Councilman Nichols: It is true that the,setback under C-1 and C-2 .is the
same, but the uses are not the same. If we would
refresh our memories as to the list of uses mentioned,
--the number of uses acceptable in C-2 are not acceptable,in C-1 and a good many
are -uses -which, by their very nature, are noisy, intend to create a greater degree.
of disturbance in the air and to anything adjacent to them. .If you use the same
" `setback and then built the building certainly when the zoning is there and the
-setback is complied with you cannot stop the building from going in there. If you
built that building one typeof use,would not be obnoxious to us probably residing
50 or 75' away, .whereas `another type of use might be extremely discouraging.
Let's, say,y-a cocktail bar with dancing to the -wee hours of the morning as compared
to° -a -small -grocery store. I still believe in the concept of attempting to protect or
buffer the R-1 property adjacent to commercial property and I know you gentlemen
do also. .I would maintain a continuation of that C-1 zoning that we initiated
sfometime ago into this strip would be appropriate. Now if it is. to be used as
parking, in truth, then it would make no difference to the owner either because he
can park there on C-1 or C-2 , but if desired to use it structurally then .I think we
-are obligated to protect those people to hold to that C-1 zoning there.
• Councilman Snyder: You do have a point there. This would force him to
design his Precise Plan so as to put the quieter uses
in that area. . I don't see how C-1 harms him in any-
way or takes -anything away from him and it would be more protective to the
residents.
City Attorney, .Mr. Williams: However, you could not have parking for a C- 2
use in a
Councilman Snyder: If it were developed all as one property?
City Attorney, .Mr. Williams: You would destroy the ability to do that if you made
it all C-1. They could not use the rear portion for
any other purpose then C-1 unless they used the
front portion also. (Mr. Williams explained in detail,. referring to a court case
that came up in Arcadia.)
Councilman Snyder: You can carry this point a little bit further that you
brought up .Mr. Nichols, I am not so,sure that C-2
should have been granted on the north in the first
place. But, I think if you are going to put C-2 it should be on large parcels like
this and Badillo will be'a main street east and west, so it is probably a good
location for C-2. Regarding this parking problem, couldn't you grant by
variance for the right of a C-2 .to park on a C-1 ?
Councilman Nichols: Mr. Williams, in zoning a use that is granted in a
given zone :is it; &lso applicable to any less
restrictive zone? If a use is granted in C-1 the
same use could be used in C-2 or: C-3?
City Attorney, .Mr. Williams: Not necessarily. That is true in our commercial
zones but not true in our residential zones. It is
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true because we say so. • C-2 starts out saying "any use permitted in C-1" and then
adds more uses. If it did not say "any use permitted in C-l" then it would be ex-
cluded.
Councilman: Nichols: Is parking,not in a driveway, but in a zoned piece of pro-
perty - parking is authorized in C-1, isn't it?
City Attorney,
`Mr. Williams: No - parking partakes of the use to which it is appurtenant.
If it is parking for a hardware store you need hardware park-
ing; if it is a restaurant, you need restaurant parking, etc.
With one exception, you can have public parking places in certain zones.
Councilman Nichols: What zone in West Covina is necessary for someone to
receive zoning to have a parking lot?
City. Attorney,
Mr . Williams: A public parking lot?
Councilman Nichols: Any kind of a parking lot.
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: It makes a difference. .If you need a parking lot next to a
liquor store you need zoning that permits that. .If it is a
•
public parking lot where you charge people to come in and
park, I believe it is.C-3.
Planning Director,
Mr Menard: C-2 spells out parking lots. This is the first zone that
parking lots are allowed in per: se.
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: Parking lots do not mean parking lots that are appurtenant
to an apartment house. That takes apartment house zoning.
Councilman Snyder: If you had a development that overlapped these two zones
here, was all developed as one development and there was
C-2 usage in the proper. C-2 .zone does that mean you
would have to put up a barricade to keep the C-2 from parking in the C-1?
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: It means this. You couldn't use the C-1 parking area for
a.C-2 use, unless you got a variance.
Councilman Gleckman: Primarily what the City Attorney is saying, that in the
Precise'Plan you couldn't use. C-1 property for parking
• spaces that might be needed for the C-2 uses.
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: That is right.
Councilman Snyder: But there would probably be enough C-1 uses that you
could delegate - all that C-1 parking to the north.
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: I am not going to argue that -- I gave the legal aspect.
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Councilman Gleckman. Would somebody tell me why this is City initiated?
Planning Director,
MV . `Menard. The'Planning Commission in studying the first part of it
realized that this particular area was quite a problem and
therefore iti brdeL_to. `atteWpt Ao clean up a potential zoning
problem they initiated action on it themselves.
- Councilman Gleckman. Does the same party own this parcel that came in a month
ago that we talked about a C-1 and C-2?
Planning Director,
Mr. M-enard: No. This property is separately) owned. This property is
under the same ownership as the existing C-2 to the north.
Councilman Gleckman: In other words one time the same party owned all that pro-
p erty. .
Planning Director,
Mr..Menard: Yes:
Councilman Snyder: If our purpose is to protect the residents by in effect using-
C-1 in the back andrequest- them to put the noisier and
dirtier, so to speak, busiriess:f_,s_Jo thQ,.front;�.it_5eem9 we�have
a conflict in the zones due to the parking situation, but that is solvable at the time
of the'Precise Plan.
Mayor Krieger. I think it would be rather unique if on the Barhite application
where they initiated asking for C-2 and we said "no'you can
have C-1" and we initiated something right next door to it
and grant C-2. It seems to me if we are going to be consistent in our approach to the
zoning of this property the same facts should be taken into consideration that
motivated us to only grant a . C-1 on the property to the east.
Councilman Gleckman: Since this is City initiated we can go ahead and set up C-1
do this property - Mr. Williams?
City Attorney,
Mr. Williams: You can set up C-1. The reason being, not that it is City
initiated but that all the uses in C-1 are contained in.C-2.
So just as you can zone part of what you have initiated and
not zone it all geographically, you can also grant part of the uses without granting
all.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that Zone Change
No. 375 be zoned from R-A to C-1 . . Motion carried on roll call as follows :
•AYES. Councilmen Nichols,
NOES. None
ABSENT. Councilman Gillum
LA SENA _;AVE N,UE
Snyder, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger.
Councilman Snyder: Regarding La Sena Avenue to the west from Grovecenter to
the north, obviously at the time of the development of
this - this is either going to have to be .a cul de sac or
there will be an entrance into commercial property through a residential street.
To the west of this is the Baldwin Park football field and that portion of La Sena
Avenue serves no purpose and I believe Baldwin Park is annexing it to the center. of
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the : -street and I am wondering if it wouldn't be proper to take action to abandon that
street so -we don't have to keep it up anymore. The only purpose that street serves,
• I believe, is the man in lot 42, his garage is off that street.
City -Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I would like to make a suggestion that we have the
staff review it and make a report.
Councilman Snyder: What happens when we abandon the street?
City�Manager, Mr. Aiassa: It reverts back to the original owner.
City Attorney, Mr. Williams: Under the fee. Usually the fee goes to the center
of the street.
Councilman Snyder: Actually the man could use that driveway back to
his garage.
City Attorney, .Mr, Williams: You must refer it to the'Planning Commission.
.Motion by Councilman 'Snyder, seconded by -Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
the,question of abandoning La Sena Aven ue from. Grove`centdr.'AV6nue_`north
.b°e.referred-t-6 the. staff.- _
• RECREATION AND PARKS
REVIEW OF ACTION TAKEN BY COMMISSION AT REGULAR
MEETING OF MARCH 28, 1967.
Mayor Krieger: I would suggest that we direct our attention to the minutes
of that meeting with the exception of Item #5, which is
Undesirable Street Tree ' Removal Program, and take that up as a separate item.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that the Council receive and file the minutes of the Recreation & Park.Department
'40rg 7NE E� cEyno�+ of
dated .March 28, 1967 Item #5. Three councilmen in the affirmative,
absent:. Councilmen Nichols and Gillum,
ITEM #5. UNDESIRABLE STREET TREE REMOVAL .PROGRAM;}::
Mayor. Krieger: We have a report from the Recreation and Park Department
to the Recreation and Park Commission dated October 22,
1965. The council has received a number of petitions
referring to the retention of the Silver Maple trees, received in the City Clerk's
office and distributed to the council and we have the report of the action of the
Recreation and Park Commission at their meeting of March 28, 1967 with reference
•to this item. I notice we have with us this evening the Chairman of the Recreation
and Park Commission, Mr. Veronda, .and a member of the Commission, Mr.
.Nordstrom, and the -Department Head, Mr. Gingrich.
Councilman Snyder: Mr. Mayor, as a point of order wouldn't it be better to
have the report read as to our reasons, which may answer
these people's opposition before it is made?
Mayor Krieger: I believe your point is well taken. Obviously the council
has read it - - this would only be for the benefit of the
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people here this evening.
'(At the request of the Mayor, the City Clerk, Mr. Flotten read -iltem #5;,Of'Ahe
• -Recreation and Park Commission meeting of March 28, 1967, and the letter dated
°March 28, 1967, addressed to the property owners.)
Mayor Krieger: This is the time and place for the public hearing.
IN OPPOSITION
Mrs., Doris Kells:y
312 .Noe Foxdale •I am speaking for most of the people here tonight so I
would like to have about 10 minutes. I have written
letters to all of the Councilmen and to the Mayor, and I
hope as a resident they have been read. If not, I would like to say that my husband
and•I purchased our home 2 years ago. We painted it inside and out, put in a new
'lawn and a new fence and we hoped to make it our home and send our children Ao. school and
to college. We take pride in our home and our community. We bought the house
-because of the trees and there are people all around us that feel the very same way.
We feel if these trees are cut down and replaced by 5 gallon bucket ones - - my
husband is 6' tall, he isn't going to benefit from that type of tree, and we don't
-:want-them. Our street does not have sidewalks so the trees can't uproot them.
We are on the Foxdale Yaleton - Nora blocks, right by Del Norte School.
Most of our trees seem healthy enough to me. They throw
• off a lot of seeds but we rake them up. If it has to be, we will get out and clean
our streets up if there isn't enough money to clean them up, because we feel that
way about our streets. If they are cut down our property values •will go down.
Our -homes are just ordinary homes, they cost from $16, 500 to $17, 000 and if you
take the trees away then who is going to buy them? We,will try and sell our house
if the t rees rare cut down.
We would like to know who decides if these trees are
undesirable or unhealthy, . in order for us to know when we should attempt to sell.
We didn't know anything- about this - maybe we should have been attending council
meetings. We are not organized but I have talked to Mr. Chris Justi, he says he
knows the gentlemen here and if we want him, he will be a mediator for us.
We do love our trees very much and we want them. A
lady on Yaleton went out at 5 o'clock this afternoon and took pictures with a
polaroid camera, we would like you'to see the pictures, how beautiful the trees
are and how they improve our neighborhood. If you do cut these trees down we feel
that less desirable people will move in and West Covina will not benefit from it.
We would like to know - I didn't understand about this paper that was to be mailed
or something that was supposed to notify us - - why we weren't given more
publicity about it. We knew nothing about. it. The people that received these
cards that my little boy took around - the people knew nothing about it. My
• phone has been ringing all day, no one knew anything. I got a poster in the
Chamber of Commerce c but they told us they had not voted and couldn't
take a stand. We are here all on Foxdale, Yaleton Nora, wbfl]?rrianrand'HollowreThere are
fourteen houses on the 300 block of North Foxdale - I have a petition signed by
all but one person and all wanted to keep their trees. _._One -man works for the City
but he says - although Ash trees are the messiest - he would rather get out and
clean up under the trees. We haven't seen anything uprooted by them. If we have
to pay for it who sets the value on something that is worth something to us? We
would rather pay for what we want, to make our homes more beautiful. We don't
want to move but we will move. Do we have to get up each morning to listen if
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UNDESIRABLE STREET TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM - Continued
the man is coming to cut our trees down? Or do we have to come to these meetings
and go through all of this and find that somebody has passed a motion and somebody
. has 'seconded it and are trees are gone. .Why don't we have letters out? Why don
we know about it? Our trees mean a great deal to us. . Most of the people in the
'room tonight didn't know a thing about it until this afternoon. I wasn't sure it would
be on the agenda and when it was my little boy went out with the cards. . Maybe my
little -boy should be paid by West Covina or maybe I should be paid by the City.
'The people were amazed, they couldn't believe their ears. We don't think we have
had the publicity we should have.
Maybe people don't care to have real expensive homes,
maybe they don't want to be bothered with sweeping the leaves from the ground, but
it -is worth it to us. We are just across from the freeway. They are our homes and
the trees are part of our homes. We have neighbors that have lived there since the
trees were so small they had to prop them up with sticks to keep the wind from
blowing them over. They have taken care of the trees for 15 years. . They are not
diseased, if they are then I have never seen a healthier diseased tree th�.n I have in
my front yard. I don't know who decides if these trees are diseased or up -rooting.
It isn't fair. You should take uh by blocks or individuals or on the basis that we
-don't have any sidewalks to be up -rooted. The trees that are in our front yard,
the roots were coming up, and my husband recovered them withdirt-1 and fixed the
-lawn up. We just put too much work in it to put it up for sale and move away, but
we will have to do that; if we have to live every day knowing our trees are going,
• because they are important to us.
I am from Louisville, Kentucky, and I want to know how
the cities back East can maintain their beautiful parkways with beautiful trees
when'West Covina is too poor to do it? The trees back there have ice and snow.
I .would like to know how many suits are against the City for limbs that have
broken or fallen on people? How much has been paid out on the liability the
City carries? If these trees are removed what about the rest of West Covina?
We are all proud of the whole community. We don't have $30, 000 or $40, 000
homes but we are proud that we live,in an area that people do, and we do the
best we can with what wedo have and we like for you not to take away from us what
we .do have. We weren't here 15 or 16 years ago - some of us - and we didn't
allow those trees to be put in and we wouldn't like them taken away, because our
area will be flat and it will be hot. I will conclude by giving you my petitions
which aren't very many because we picked them up tonight at 5 o'clock and I will
also give you the pictures and I would like you to keep them.
Diane Lahose
1019 Bpru�(F,Street We feel that the beauty of these trees makes them valid
and that it is worth considering by your council, retain-
ing and maintaining these trees. We have not
received an adequate answer on the cost of the removal of these trees versus the
• cost of maintaining them, but we would hope that this council will look at both
sides - the 4e8.thetic value versus what it costs to maintain them. We are aware
that some are high maintenance trees but we feel for the overall..picture of our
City that five thousand trees of this size add a great deal of beauty to our City.
Thank you.
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Mrs. Thomas Wallace
1019 W. Ituni ,Street I also believe that maintaining these trees would
• be much preferable to taking them out. .Also, I
question the tree list which has been approved.
.I feel that some of these trees, maybe there should be more study on them. Just as
an amateur layman I looked up some tree books and looked at the list of some of
these trees and some of them, for instance: Crepe Myrtle - difficult to transplant,
sends out suckers; Byrana Plum - aphids and worms; Purple -Leaf Plum - aphids and
-worms; Norway,Maple - branches become brittle and break off if crown is not
trimmed annually, aphids are plentiful; Western Hackberry - susceptible to attacks
from mites and mildew fungus resulting in witches broom. disease; Lily of the Valley -
_nbeds a good deal of pruning to correct haphazard of growth; Red Iron'Bark - thrips,
makes litter, branches are brittle; Maidenhair Tree - obnoxious odor of flower or
fruit on female tree, etc.
I feel our trees do need some maintenance, but
I have lived in the area for 10 years and in that time - I have 4 small children and
have been home all the time - there has been maintenance once in the 10 years.
• So if they are talking about the cost of maintenance maybe they better use some
figures. Thank -you.
Pete Vlahos
1019 Spruce I wish to thank you for being able to speak here
• this evening . My wife and several of her
friends circulated the petitions that were
'presented to the Recreation & Park Commission and the area that these ladies
covered, I would like to point out on the map because I think it would indicate
that it is only a small area of our City. (Pointed out on the map the area of
Merced, Glendora, California and Sunset.) The petitions were circulated in this
area . There are other Silver Maple trees in this area and other areas but these
ladies did not circulate ,in any other area then just this one. I would so state
-this because I think it is important that the 164 names and signatures represent
only a small area. I am glad to hear that the people that have a different tree
are also petitioning tonight.
If these trees are removed our City will lose
quite a bit of beauty. Our City has lovely trees. We will lose this beauty for a
good number of years unt'U'these:inew trees become large. We will still have
problems. This is -understood by the Recreation & Park Commission and the
Department because the new trees, like Mrs. Wallace stated, they have pro-
blems also. So we are not really gaining a .lot, we will probably trade trees that
are real problems for once. that are less problems but it will take a number of
years before these trees are beautiful. I was in attendance at. the Commission
meeting of March 28th. I asked the Director and the Committee the cost to
maintain these trees and the cost to remove. They could not give me an adequate
estimate as to what it is going to cost for removal of these 5000 trees and the
cost for maintaining. I feel perhaps it will cost us more to maintain these
trees but perhaps the overal cost is worth it in beauty. Thank you.
Luci.lie Howard
433 No. Conlon I just want to tell you that my husband and I
have lived here thirteen years come December.
The first year we planted 8 silver maples. We
have had maintenance once on our trees. My husband and I cut the trees, have
them sprayed and take care of them. As far as -I know there are no roots above
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UNDESIRABLE STREET TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM - Continued
the': . I feel I should tell you my story on these trees. I want to tell you why I
bought 8 Silver Maples. When my father died there was only $50.00 _ so,with this
• I felt what could I do with $50. so I told my husband I wanted to buy trees. We
bought 8 Silver -Maples, one Magnolia , a lemon tree and a tangerine tree for our
backyard, and it would just break my heart if they were taken down. Thank you.
John Walker
327 No..Yaleton I was down researching the area in Covina today -
you may be familiar, there was a tree situation
down there in the area just this side of Citrus,
-where:trees had not received the stature of our trees in the'Yaleton area, had been
diagnosed diseased and had been removed and new trees put in. .I looked very
carefully at the neighborhood and I noticed that the area - half of the street of
Albertson still had the old trees and part of the street has the new trees which are
of course, twigs. And I did notice a definite difference in the property values.
Driving•down the street and looking objectively at the houses, I resol'ved:not, t.o.buy
'there if I were going to buy because I noticed a lack of comfort, of horrjOiness'to'the-
-houses . As nice as the houses were they looked like boxes. I do appreciate my
house extremely and just looking at this particular matter from an outsiders view-
point, if I were going to sell my house and I saw that these trees were removed and
little sprigs were replaced, I would have exactly the same opinion of a certain
bareness -and drabness. .I would be extremely sad to see both my property value
• and the esthetic beauty of the sense of the countryside with the lawn, the lack of
a- sidewalk and the beautiful trees to be destroyed. Thank you.
Beatrice Haefner
216'No. Yaleton I have very little to add to what has been said
except to say that we, along with a couple of
others in the room, are one of the first groups_ to
move into this area. We moved here in 1951 and although the Ash trees at that time
'were twigs, like you propose to put in replacement now in place of these beautiful
tall shade trees. You wouldn't understand. If you had seen those trees in 1951 and
looked at them today - a gentleman from Covina drove by last week, a member of
the Edison Company, and he said it was very reminiscent of his youth back East
because it was just like driving down a shady lane and if you nurtured these trees
since 1951 you would be very proud of that remark, just as I was. Also we live
very close to the freeway, closer then any of these other people in this room and
if you take down these trees it is going to be unbearable to live in that neighbor-
hood along with the roar of the freeway and the smog that rolls off that freeway
every night. I just can't picture our home without these trees. Thank you.
Mrs Den
1309 So. -Sunkist I have lirved here 13 years. Mr. Nicholson,
• who I believe originally was of our West
Covina Board and Mr. Jack'Parker, planted
the trees on Sunkist and around to Meeker. We live in a horseshoe area, our
street deadends into Meeker, which deadends into Washburn. So those trees
are approximately 20 years old. I was wondering if there could be a system
whereby the -area that want to keep the trees, if the homeowners would be willing
to stand a part of the cost of maintenance. .If this could be worked out in indivi-
dual area. Again our homes would be nothing without the trees.
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UNDESIRABLE STREET TREE _REMOVAL PROGRAM - Continued
People take Sunday drives down our street to see the
beautiful trees, they almost met in the center. There is no area around that even
commences to look:as it does there. There just is nowhere in Covina or anywhere
. around that looks like it does. The trees are long standing, there are other trees
in the yards, but it is a beautiful street to drive down. .I am sure we would be
willing to stand part of the cost if it could be worked out to keep up:::the maintenance
on our trees. Thank you.
Ernest M . Wells
1627 Howellt urst: Drive This afternoon is the first time'I heard of this
action'being taken. I have lived at my present
location for 12 years and we have 4 beautiful
trees on our property and I think it would be a tremendous mistake to have these
Irees removed if it was deemed necessary by the Recreation & Park Department.
And, there is no doubt about it, according to the testimony -I have heard and known
facts, that these people would suffer tremendous loss in the value of their
-property if these trees were removed from in front of the homes. I think a more
adequate survey should be taken by the City before this action takes place. Thank
you.
(Mayor Krieger declared a 10 minutes recess until 9: 30 p.m.)
Councilman. Snyder: For my own information, there are some questions that
need to be answered from the staff. It is true that we
do have a report from the staff in October of ' 65 stating
the -bad effects of the trees that we are talking about, but I am wondering if we
could have a report, for instance relating to a City that has allowed this type of
tree to grow much longer, the maintenance c,5st, etc. The maintenance cost we
,.are talking about is not really the tree maintenance cost but the curb breakage,
sewerage stoppage that type of maintenance costs . It seems to me there must
be a city someplace in the area that we could get some figures on. Also if we
have any specific information as to the damage caused by these trees so far in
West Covina. I think we should have this information before we can deliberate
on anything.
Mr. Gingrich,
Recreation & Park -Director: I don't have a study prepared as far as the
number of trees we have in the city that
have created damage. I do have some pictures
taken at random. I do know in one of the particular areas under discussion -
Yaleton, Hollow and Foxdale - at four o'clock this afternoon .I took a drive over
there and went through the area and about 95% of the trees, even though these
are Ash trees and they are placed 6 to 8' back of the curb, there �Ue_rad al
• cracksin the curb at the present time. The question as to how long it will take
until that crack raises making a pocket in the street and the water will form in the
gutter is anybody's guess. But, it is not too far away. It is not only one crack,
in a number of streets it is two or three cracks in some instances. This is on
all three of the streets in that area. So again it is not the maintenance cost of
the tree or the replacement cost of the tree but it is the maintenance and replacement
cost of the curbs, streets, etc.
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UNDESIRABLE STREET -TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM - Continued
Councilman. Snyder: Well, that answers one part of the question in regards to
0 whether there is curb damage.
`Mr. Gingrich: I have some charts here that will show the priority area
for the removal of trees in the proposed program, if it is
adopted. (Charts displayed and Mr. Gingrich explained)
Broken into 5 priority area and for all intents and purposes it would be approximately
a - year on each of these phases. Priority Area would be the first one. The area
most concerned about tonight, Foxdale, -Yaleton, Hollow - is in Priority Area No. 3.
So this area is not considered the worst one by the- staff and it will probably be from
2 to 3 years away before those trees would be removed. Priority Area No. 2 -
Spruce, Ituni . St..Malo - approximately at the end of the second year for removal.
Mayor Krieger: Were these charts made available to the Commission?
Mr. Gingrich: These charts were not. This was presented verbally to
the Commission the other evening.
Mayor Krieger: Was the information that is on the charts presented to the
Commission?
Mr. Gingrich: We had the Priority Area No. 1. I believe this w.a.s the
• only area that had 5 or 6 representatives at the meeting
representing the opponents to this at that particular time.
Councilman Snyder: Mr. Gingrich, would you indicate to the Council, if we
want to take a field trip, where we might most likely
find curb damage?
Mr. Gingrich: Three streets in Priority Area No. 3 - Hollow, Yaleton,
and Foxdale, do haveradiLl curb damage at the present
time. We have pictures with the addresses on the back,
of much worse streets. I would say if you would go to Priority No. 1 and see the
streets covered on this map - you would see the worst situation.
Councilman Snyder: Thank you. . May I ask the staff - where trees are not
planted by the City in the parkways - does a homeowner
need a permit to plant a tree in a parkway?
Mr. Gingrich: Yes. -According to the Ordinance anyone planting a tree
in a parkway other, than the City, needs a written
authorization from the Department to plant that tree.
Councilman Snyder: Is this usually done?
• Mr. Gingrich: It has never been done in the 9 years I have been here.
Councilman Snyder: i Do people know this?
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Well they know it but they probably disregard it.
Mayor Krieger: Mr. Veronda as the -Chairman of the Recreation & Park
Commission, are there any comments you care.to make
on this matter?
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Don Veronda , Chairman
.Recreation & Park Commission For the benefit of the Council and the people here,
• I want to restate it was a most difficult position
to recommend to council to remove trees that have
-been growing for 10 -15 years, whereas on the other hand we are constantly
advocating increasing funds to improve the looks of the -City. However, in October
-of'65,we received a petition signed by approximately 35 people requesting that
these undesirable trees be removed from their property, and I believe at that time,
they even advocated they would donate $5. towards the purchase of the new tree.
We have looked at this particular :problem from
three aspects which all constitutes payment by the taxpayers throughout the City.
#1: The unusually high maintenance cost to keep these trees up to a minimum
standard. 420 'Potential damage that is created by these trees in terms of up-
rooting the sidewalks, curbs, etc. , and this is paid for by the citizens of West
Covina. `43: Should there ever be any liability this is to be paid for by the
citizens of West Covina. So as our responsibility to Council, we had no alterna-
tive but to recommend that these undesirable trees be removed. Now during 1966
we had 354 requests to remove trees of which 221 were maples by request. In
1967, January through March - by request 196 trees to be removed of which 137
are Silver -Maples.
Councilman Snyder: What was the reason for the requests?
• `-Mr. Gingrich: In most cases it comes from the property owner
requesting removal because they don't like the
leave droppage, or the sap drippage, or the aphids. I would say the sap drippage
that comes from the Silver Maple is probably the number one reason for requests
for removal. Our removal policy has been one strictly of removal by request,
unless it is determined the tree is a hazard.
Councilman Nichols: I voted some weeks ago to accept the
recommendation of the Recreation & Park Com-
mission to establish a removal program for the
three particular trees in question. Like a few other things I have done in the
three years�I have been on this council, I thinkI have probably acted in haste.
.A lot of things brought to my attention since then, so I would like to reflect a
little on the thinking generated since the time this was brought more forcibly to
my attention. Perhaps the greatest problem we have in our City is to please the
people that want something, please the people that don't want something, and
keep everybody's taxes down. Now that is just almost impossible. Anytime
any of 'us pick up the paper and read that property taxes are going up we scream
to high heaven. I do - all of us do, so we have tried very diligently here in
our community to keep the tax rate down.I want_.t.o reemphasize that to you here
this evening that for the pas t;rggit_years this City has not increased by one
penny its tax rate. We have a pay as you go government, we don't owe a
• nickel's worth of bonded debt anywhere, we have a very .efficient operation.
So naturally we are trying to operate our city efficiently and yet we are trying
to meet the needs of our people.
It seems to me, if a tree that is planted in a
public parkway; -.a piece: of ground owned by the City of West Covina, if that
tree because of the nature of the tree begins to damage public property, up-
rooting a curb, destroying the street, no matter how beautiful it is and no
matter how badly we feel, that I would have no alternative �ekycept to approve of
the concept that that tree had to be removed. But the authorization that the
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council voted on sometime back -was for �a..more or less automatic removal program for
those certain trees that fitted into this classification, and that is the area that my own
,thinking has changed somewhat.
I think it is fine if someone called and said come and take this tree out,
tha-t tree is on the list, we certainly would have no problem there. And it certainly
would• be again in my thinking, that if a tree is definitely causing damage that it must
be' removed; but now in retrospect I must confess I don't see any particular point or
urgency to go into those areas in the community where those trees exist and take them
out,- becau's-e they are admittedly a less desirable tree, providing l: that no damage
-has occurred; 2: that the persons who live with that tree on that street doesn't think
it is as undesirable as other people seem to think so.
So for myself Mr. Mayor, I would feel that we should be a little more
selective in our E -,ua1'u:e! . judgrn nts.' as to which tree should come outr.on a short term
period rather than moving ahead on a blanket program and removing all of them. And
perhaps, finally the conclusion that when a tree is definitely damaging curbs, side-
walks or public property that the property owner be given the-option'nf paying for the
cost of repairing- the damage, posting a bond to frr.sure the cost of repairing the damage
topu"b'lic property, in turn for which the City could then allow that tree to remain.
Trees ame beautiful things and I believe, if there is anything we can do to prolong the
removal of trees that we should do so.
Councilman Glec'kman: First of all I think the staff did a good job . Their
obligation to the citizens of this community, is
naturally to try and cut the cost of maintenance in every manner in which they can be
of be-st service to the citizens of this community. I think the Recreation & Park
Commission probably did the right thing in recommending the type of action to the
City Council that they did. .` % as a.City Council have an obligation to -all the people
in West Covina. Primarily, I don't think there is a man on the City Council that
knows enough about trees to discuss it intelligently with anybody on the Recreation &
Park. Commission or the staff, so naturally we have to go by their recommendation.
On the other hand we have an obligation to the wishes of the people, i,n whose front
yard or side yard, or parkways, or who live:on_, thane, particular streets; ,soCwe_.rea.l1y:have
a two -fold matter here. I would go along with everything that Councilman Nichols
said with a couple of additions. First of all we didn't instruct or give the proper
instructions to our Recreation & Park Department, as to the wishes of this council
because we did not know the wishes of the people. We did not even understand, I
believe, the situation as a whole. I think after discussing it with many of the people
and with the people tonight that are going to be affected,, I think that we ought to as a
City Council instruct our Recreation & Park Department and Commission to take
another look at these plans, and going along with what Councilman Nichols said,
look at the critical situations. I think "that we shouldn't have to adopt a 5000
tree plan or a 5 year plan, but I think we have to treat these as blocks or individual
circumstances and I think we have enough public relations between our Park Depart-
ment and the citizens of the community, that where there is a problem they can sit
down with the homeowners in these areas .If we are talking about a 5 year program there
Would be no problem with it being a 7 year program, 10 year program or 15 year program,
if it accomplished inthe same`_ _.:-And;.. . I don't feel that it is the money saving
aspect strictly that we should look at. I agree with most of the people here this
evening, . I think it does have a great value to our community and I think it should be
taken into consideration. But at the same::time we also have to take into consideration
the damages that may be.done if we don't start to take some action to curb some of
the bad situations. And I think the instruction from this council'in,_conclusirfnlsho-drd
be that we are of the opinion that where it is necessary that our Recreation & Park
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'Department sit with the individual people in the area, by area and discuss the -situation,
-and together ' I think, not only can they come to some conclusions but in some cases
where°the people in that area and our Recreation & Park Department cannot see eye to
eye they still have this council to come before and state their case. I think it should
be reevaluated.
Councilman Snyder- I can see some problem to this approach. _If you are
waiting until damage occurs - what is the cost of
replacing curbs and gutters at the present time per
foot, Mr. Aiassa?
Mn..Aiassa,. City Manager: Roughly, I believe, around $2.50 to $3.00 per foot.
Not including black topping. -We have another serious
problem that I think these people should realize. We
saved..the Palm trees and have planted trees in commercial areas and as -a matter of
fact',Mr. Gingrich has in the last eight years planted trees throughout the City. The
thing we are faced with and which I think they should realize, is as one lady mentioned,
'the root of the tree had extended itself up and they covered it with dirt.
Councilman Snyder: I think. the problem really boils down to this. We have a
staff report that says the trees do damage, and the
maintenance cost we are talking about 'is` -not the tree
-maintenance 'cost, but the cost to repair damage to the streets, curbs, sidewalks
.and. --gutters. So we havea problem of deciding to keep the trees but have crummy
curbs and gutters or take the trees down and have good curbs and gutters'. It is that
simple. I -am not convinord tonight to say that these trees do this much damage to
,curbs and gutters and I would like time to ,see -some of the damage. If the damage is
in effect as, large as has been indicated, then I think that the recommendation of the
Recreation & Park -Commission should be accepted. However, if it is a borderline
:area then possibly there is another route we can follow. :In saying that you are
going to wait until damage -occurs what baseline are you going -to give the staff to
say? You got to draw up a set of standards. .Well obviously they will have to come
in with recommendations, I am not prepared to vote on this tonight until I look at
some of the actual damage that has occurred in this City and other cities.
Mayor Krieger: I like to see these issues come along because it
makes us earn .our money. But with due deference
to the people that come before us tonight pleading
the -special cause of their trees and their streets, I. still have failed to hear basically
any evidence contrary to what this council received as a basis for making its
determination .in the first instance. There isn't one member of the Recreation & Park
Commission .or the staff that doesn't deal with this problem not just on a Monday
night, but on a day to day basis and I can't conceive what the motivation would be
for any member of the Commission .or any member of the staff to come in with a
recommendation to destroy the beauty of this '*City.'. What possible motivation
would they have to direct them along that line.
I have heard some -comments tonight by'a number of
people that have appeared before this council suggesting that this is a program they
knew nothing. about, and that this comes as a surprise to them and almost smacking
of a devious plot toy&dhude their street of these trees. This has been before this
Council for some period of time, starting in .October of 19 65. In May of 1966 a
letter went out to every citizen in this community and if any of the people that are
here tonight -lived in this community in May of 1966 they received one. .It asked you
to serve on .Citizens Blue Ribbon Committees and one of the Citizens Blue Ribbon
Committees that was formed happened to be Civic Beautification and we have their
report before us. This was a committee that was made up of twenty-six people
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not affiliated with the City Government, in other words they were not councilmen,
-they were not Recreation & Park Commissioners, they were just people like the people
•here tonight who did volunteer to study these programs and projects and this was one
of the programs they studied. Twenty-six of them, and .Mr. Justi by the way was one
of,them, whose name was mentioned tonight, was a member of this Committee, and
this Committee's unanimous recommendation to the council was that the existing five
year -plan -for replacement of undesirable trees with city approved trees should be
-accelerated. We extend the invitation to come forward to study these programs and
-projects with us, to help formulate the programs and projects of ::this:_community, and
that is -what these volunteers do - just that. They sat down with the Recreation &
Park Commission and the Recreation & Park Department and studied this particular
matter. This is a program and a project that it would be very easy for this City
Council to pass the buck on to future City Council's and say "now you deal with
-itfellows" either because there was no problem or it was too hot of a problem
to handle when we sat there. But, if in fact, the Recreation & Park. Commission
and -the staff is selling us a bill of goods in these reports, then we better call the
tune on this thing and say "do you fellows know what you are talking about or
-don't you know what you are talking about". Nobody has suggested to me that the se
people don't know what they are talking about, that they did not go into this'thirjg
with -great objectivity and with a desire to serve the entire community. I can't
believe that there is any other motivation in their report but to do the best job that
they are capable of doing. ` O%r past experience with this Commission has been
that they do a Jine': job, at great sacrifice to their own time and with a great deal of
ability -applied to the tasks we ask them to serve. This is what we have Boards and
. Commissions for, this doesn't mean that this -City Council has to be,a rubber stamp
or has -it -ever , from my past experiences, been a rubber stamp for these
Commissions and Boards. Unless people can come before this council and show us
or -if I have to speak for myself, unless these people can come before this Council
and show me that either these people do not know what they are talkingabout, that
their facts are wrong, that basically there is something wrong with their recommenda-
tion, then I think this Council owes it to these men and women who serve on these
Boards and Commissions and those that serve on these citizens committees, to pay
some deference to their opinions and recommendations. I can't believe that these
people have in mind a wholesale denuding of this community. The figure of 5000
trees has been used. Does anybody know how many -street; tre:e:s,�;we:.have: in the...Community?
Mr. Gingrich:
In excess of 30, 000 trees.
Mayor Krieger: Gentlemen, I am going to act on the recommendations
of our Commissions and Boards unless somebody
comes before us -and tells us why they are wrong.
Councilman Snyder: I agree with you in total and I have no question
regarding the ability of our Recreation & Park Depart-
ment or our Commission, . I merely want to see this
damage, if in fact it does exist, I don't see that we have any middle ground. I can
•see it to be very complicated to remove it on a select basis, where people might pay
for the curb or gutter damage, I just dontt'think that is a practical application.
Obviously we are not going to get a vote here tonight, so in the meantime I would
like an opportunity to look at these areas and my tendency is to'lean toward the
recommendation of the Recreation .& Park Commission providing the evidence _'
substantiates it.
Councilman Gleckman: I would like to take it a step further, Mr. Mayor.
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You are referring to the reports we received and to the recommendations -we received
by -the Commissions and Citizens Committee as they know- alltthe:.,fac:ts.;'.etc .,... ,
• _and therefore we should abide by the facts. Well I not only disagree with you but I
disagree with them and I will right now go on record as stating that you can't tell
me -there ,are 5000 trees -in this City that are diseased and uprooting our streets and
curbs -and-gutters and in every single instance that this committee is right. Because
-I know for a fact, after discussing this problem for months now with the Recreation &
Parks Department, a lot of i basically is conformity to certain areas . If there are
-. 15 out of 40 trees in 5 # that are diseased they want to take out those 40 trees and
put -in conformity so they have -everything right so that in 10 - 15 years from now then
you will have exactly what you have today but we hope with a healthy tree. I just
don't' -think that when we have a problem of this magnitude and we have citizens come
-down here and talk about theAesthetic value of their streets and home that we can
turn around and say "we are not concerned with that but we are concerned with the
streets, curbs and gutters and the reports that we have received, and therefore we
are going -. "by that and not with you". .I disagree with that and that is not why we are
here.
Councilman Snyder: I want to correct one statement you made. Nobody
said in the staff report or anyplace else that there were
5000 diseased trees but that there were 5000 trees
potentially causing trouble and now is the time to take care of them. .I want to
correct that misconception. What I have to determine in my own mind is whether the
trouble they are causing - again whether we want crummy gutters and trees or good
gutters and different types of trees.
Councilman Gleckman: The only comment I would like to get across to this
Council was the point I was trying to make for a more
thorough report for the actual recommendation that
has been made, because I don't think this council has taken the time to look at the
magnitude of this problem other than to read a report, and has not sat down and
discussed this to see what is the best area to,which we would like to direct our
Recreation & Parke Department to proceed. That is the only point I was making.
Maybe they are right. I doubt it, but maybe they are. The only thing I am talking
about is a method on -which to proceed.
Councilman Snyder: We did take the time. We acted on this report in
1965 in October, and it has been up before us at
other times, so I take exception to that statement.
Councilman Nichols: I don't take exception to anybody's statements. I
want to make that clear. I think the only thing I
want to convey is that this morning I received a
telephone call from a lady that lives up there on one of the streets, so I left my
place of employment and drove up there . .I think it was Foxdale I drove on, and
I hove driven over that street many times in the last fifteen years and never paid
any particular attention to the trees before. They are beautiful and it is a
beautiful lane. And what you notice on that street are the trees. It looks like an
arbor you are driving through. .I just couldn't help but say if there is any
reasonable thing that can be done to preserve the beauty of that area it should be
done. . I don..'l want to be put in the position of impuning the Recreation & Park
Department, or our Commissions, or anyone that has worked on the Committee,
but they are human too and I think it is possible that there might be some other
alternatives that have not been fully explored. I just feel that we should not rush
into this program, other than those trees that are immediately and directly causing
damage to public property. I would be confident that there would be a difference
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of -opinion on the council if there was any vote called for relative to the implementa-
tion of the recommendation or reinforcement of the recommendation. .I would like to
• try a motion on for size.
.."'M-otion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that this matter be
held over to the first regular meeting in .May and that in the interim the City Manager
---be -directed to provide a field trip for interested councilmen to view the areas of
damage; the staff be asked to give some additional consideration to the -areas of
problems; and -that in the presence of a full council on .May 8, that this matter come
back before this Council.
Mayor Krieger: Mr..Williams, a question as to the procedure to be
followed on such a field trip, if the motion should
pass. Will you pleas elucidate on the procedure?
Mr. Williams,. City Attorney: No problem so far as the trip is concerned.,
so long as you do not violate the Brown Act,
which means that during the trip or the time
you•are together you do not attempt to reach any conclusions, you merely observe
and receive facts, but you may not deliberate or reach a conclusion.
Mayor Krieger: In discussing the motion, I would like to make a
commentf that I will vote for the motion for the sake
of giving anyone any opportunity for developing any
facts or •evidence on this particular matter. .As far as the esthetics concerned, it
speaks for itself every day in driving through the community, but there are various
methods we have to go through to preserve it.
Councilman. Snyder: I don't think it is necessary that we go en masse
on a field trip, we can go individually. .We can
use the map.
Mayor Krieger: There being no further discussion on this motion,
all those being in favor, please so indicate.,
All councilmen present were in favor. Absent: . Councilman. Gillum.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
LE.T.TERFROM CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REGARDING SALE
OF ECONOMIC BASE ANALYSIS.
Motion by Councilman. Gleckman, seconded by Mayor Krieger, that
. the letter regarding sales of Economic Base Analysis be received and filed.
Councilman Nichols: The Chamber is making a request of the council, is it
the intention of your motion. Councilman Gleckman,
to postpone any consideration of that request?
Councilman Gleckman: I am sorry. I will retract my motion if the second
will allow me to.
Mayor Krieger: Yes, I will withdraw.
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Councilman Nichols: When this matter was discussed before I believe there
was considerable difference of opinion,about 4 to 1,
as I recall. I voted to make it available for $5.00
•to anyone that wanted to buy a copy and now that the Chamber has adopted my
'Position, I would move that the council direct the staff to reduce the price on the
available copies of the report from. $25.00 a copy to $5.50.
Councilman Gleckman seconded the motion.
Councilman Gleckman: I would like to ask a question. How many copies do
we have?
Mr. Aiassa,
City Manager: It appears that we have approximately 50 copies - -
(read distribution list) As of April we have approxi-
mately 45 copies left. We sold 8 at. $25. 00.
You paid. $17; 000 and I believe if anybody needs this report it is worth $25 . 00 to
them. If you sell at $5.50 per copy it won't cover the printing cost.
Councilman Nichols: Let's raise the price to $500. apiece and get the
whole $17, 000 back.
Councilman Gleckman: I understand the Chamber's concern and they have just
cause for that. Once again d would discuss with this
council then what we would feel is an equitable price
we can charge. I would put a price on it and limit it to the forty copies and then if
there are any additional that we bring it back up to the $25.00 price.
Councilman Snyder: Personally, I agree if this report is worth anything to
anybody that $ 25.00 is not too much money. - I
really don't see any point in lowering the price to
$5.00 or $15.00, because no one buys it to read it, they buy it for a purpose. I
se-e no advantage in changing the price. So we sell one more at $25.00, we would
have to sell 4-fsvd_at $5.00 to make the same amount of money.
Mayor Krieger: I don't know, perhaps we are going from the sublime to
the ridiculous on this whole thing. We really weren't
interested in that factor. .I don't see why it is a more
effective sales tool at_$5.00 then it is an effective development sales tool at $25.00.
I think we established our policy and in fairness to the people that paid $25.00, we
ought to continue to charge $25.00 for it, and if anybody is going to be dissuaded
from bringing in a major high end retailer because the report is $25.00, which is the
major thrust of the report, then he doesn't have very much enthusiasm for the program.
Gentlemen, is there any further discussion on the motion.
Motion failed on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: None
• NOES. Councilmen Snyder, Gleckman and Mayor Krieger.
ABSTAIN: Councilman: Nichols
ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
Motion by, Councilman Gleckman that the letter be received and filed, seconded by
Mayor Krieger, and carried.
LETTER FROM MR.. BONELLI REGARDING REGIONAL LIBRARY PARKING
Mayor Krieger: I have a suggestion for the council and that would be
to permit the City Manager to set up a meeting
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between the City Administrator of the -City of Claremont, and the .Mayor of Claremont,
"`Mr.' Aiassa and myself, and perhaps�if we discuss this in person with the representa-
tives of the City of Claremont, that we can allay some of their fears about this pro-
gram and at the same time satisfy the supervisor from this district that no problem is
being created in this area.
Councilman Nichols moved that such authorization be granted; seconded by Council-
man ,Gleckman, and carried.
"`lvlayor Krieger: Mr. Aiassa, as soon as possible will your office
please advise Mr. Bonelli°s office that this is the
procedure we are following.
CITY ATTORNEY
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION AMENDING SECTION 7410 OF THE MUNICIPAL
APPROVED CODE REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE OF
SHRUBS AND PLANTS -IN PARKWAYS
Mr. Williams , City, Attorney: This ordinance is to correct an error which I
made. This is just changing one 'section pf
the Ordinance on shrubs and plants in
parkways adjacent to yards and it changed it back to the way the council wanted it.
• It changed the previous section, as there was some discussion with.Councilman
Nichols on it, I had written it on one of the old forms so my secretary simply copied
it. This is the way you wanted it.
The City Attorney. presented:
"A ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING
SECTION 7.410 OF THE WEST COVINA
MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO THE
MAINTENANCE OF SHRUBS AND PLANTS IN
PARKWAYS. "
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that the Ordinance be introduced.
ORDINANCE NO. 993 The City Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
ADOPTED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING THE
WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE SO AS TO
• REZONE CERTAIN PREMISES. ZONE CHANGE
NO. 374 - BARHITE . "
Motion by Councilman. Gleckman, seconded by. Councilman Snyder, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the .ordinance.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that the
Ordinance No. 993 be adopted. Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Nichols, : Snyder, Gleckman and Mayor Krieger.
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
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CITY MANAGER
BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS
STAFF ANALYSIS
Mayor Krieger: Gentlemen, I understand the Recreation & Parks
• Commission has not had the opportunity to sit down
With the staff's report and recommendations of the
Citizen's Committee. Does the council want to give that opportunity to the
Commission to do so?
"Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman 1 Snyder, and carried,
that this matter be referred to the Recreation & Parks Commission for their
recommendation; their report returnable to Council on May 8th.
SISTER CITY QUARTERLY REPORT
"Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by MayorKrieger, and carried, that
the quarterly report from Sister City be received and filed.
TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES APPROVAL
March 29, 1967.
HELD -OVER
Mayor Kreger: The report is quite long and very much involved. I
discussed with the City Manager perhaps holding
their recommendations to an adjourned r.�g.ular_:me'eti g
of the City Council. . There are a number of recommendations here that this council
• might want to explore at some length.
Motion, by -Councilman: Nichols, and seconded by Councilman .Gleckman, and carried ,
that"the approval of the Traffic Committee Minutes of March 29, 1967, be held over
to an adjourned council meeting on the date of April 17, 1967, at 7: 30 p.m.
REVIEW BOARD�JAINUTES
APPROVED
a) March 27, 1967.
Mayor Krieger: The Minutes of March 27th took up the West Covina
Church of Christ request. I was a little bit interested
in the opinion of the City Attorney on the subject of
variances as it applied to a present Precise Plan when it was granted back in 1953,
as a variance... Can you elaborate on this Mr. Williams?
Mr. Williams, City Attorney: It was discussed with me but I don't recall the de-
tails at the present time, Mr. Mayor.
(Mayor Krieger read excerpts of the Review Board minutes pertaining to this variance.)
Mr. Willams, City Attorney: Yes, the variance is still good, because the code when
• adopted contained an express provision in it. It is in
there now, that any variance heretofore granted whether
it is by 'ordinance or resolution is continued in effect the same as granted under this
code.
Motion by, Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried that
the Review Board Minutes of March 27, 1967, be received and filed.
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CITY MANAGER - Continued
b) March.31, 1967
REVIEW BOARD MINUTES
• HELD OVER
Councilman Gleckman: I have a question. I discussed it with the'Planning
Director earlier and on condition Number 6, stripe
parking stalls with wheel stops or posts. I am just
curious, it seems to me that stops or posts on any of the parking -lots that we have
in the city -have been nothing but a problem, not only to the driver but to the
'pedestrians. The only purpose it actually would serve is so that cars cannot cut
across a parking lot. I am wondering if a condition of this type on a large parking
parcel - - do we have this on Francisquito and Sunset at Big T? (Mr. Aiassa
advised that was built prior to this condition) . I realize that but I have been in
there many times and I have a reason - I have been in there many times and I don't
know of any problem that they have because their striping is proper and the people
use the proper lane, where you don't have proper striping such as in the: Plaza you
do have a problem. .Yet all the wheel stops they have in there are busted and broken
and I know several people that have tripped over them, and then when .I look at the
posts the Broadway has in their parking lot. I am just curious as to why we•insist
on something like this that would cause, .::I, undefs.tand; :a: developer or all developers
a problem of getting insurance. I would think that the stops or posts are something
we have to improve upon or cpme up with some better idea. . I think they are terrible.
May.or Krieger: I would like to interject something to this discussion.
• We changed the procedure so that this matter vested
with the Review Board on a Precise -Plan outside of
the Civic Center and not connected with .zoning, but when we start talking about
a Precise Plan for six and a half acres, as critical and crucial as this area is and
as -important as this development is to the City as a whole, I am wondering if
the Council wouldn't be wise to call this matter up before the Council and take a
good and thorough look at it and make sure that we really understand every facet of
it. This is really the type of Precise Plan that we want to approve. It bothers me
when we are talking about development of this size, and let it go by the Board
merely on some minutes.
Councilman Nichols: Why not hold them over?
Mayor Krieger: I am not suggesting we hold over but that we call
this matter up.
Councilman Nichols: I am thinking in terms of the discussion period,
a week's delay won't make any difference and at
that time if a member or the feeling of the majority
is that we would like to follow it up we can then do so. .Also Councilman Gillum
isn't here and it is a very important issue.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried,
• that the Review Board Minutes of March 31, 1967, be held over until the adjourned
meeting of April 17, 1967.
LETTER TO COVINA RE. HOLT AVENUE INTERCHANGE
FREEWAY AGREEMENT
HELD OVER
Councilman Gleckman: I can't understand why we just don't go along with
the City of Covina and let them hold up any signing
of any freeway agreement until as long as they are
willing to wait for us.
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C. C. 4/10/67
CITY .MANAGER - Continued
Page Thirty-two
Mayor Krieger: I agree wholeheartedly. I don't see where it is to our
advantage to have a unilateral freeway agreement until
we have a freeway agreement we are ready for.
Councilman Gleckman: Not only that, here they are offering to do this for us
and I think the least we can do is "thank them very
much and say we appreciate it. "
Mr. Aiassa,; City Manager: Can we have a motion for a letter so stating signed by
the Mayor?
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Mayor Krieger, that a letter by the
Mayor be sent to the City Council and staff of the City of Covina, thanking them
for their position and stating at some future date we will be glad to discuss the
matter with them. The proper wordage I will leave to the'Mayor. The point is we
agree in their doing nothing about: -the, s giiing;bf:'an ,�ZigrQemQTIi . with the State until we are
ready.
Councilman Snyder: In the first place there is no conflict of interest
between their agreement and ours, and I don't really
see what we accomplish by agreeing with them in
not signing a freeway agreement, except to further needle the Highway Department.
I would rather go along with the recommendation as proposed by the Public Service
Director. We have no objection to their freeway agreement, it doesn't affect us,
so why should we agree.
Councilman Gleckman: The next time we want their help Doctor, they will
tell us - well you didn't want it before so you don't
have to take it now - well then you can tell this
Council why they gave us that answer.
Councilman: Snyder: Well we are not for or against them. We just have
no objection ....
Mayor Krieger: The report says that the staff in Covina is not intend-
ing to present it to its' council until the City of West
Covina concurs in the terms and conditions. . Now,
they are only talking about one quadraant-of`four .quadrants:-aCHolt.. I simply believe
that as long as a sister city is willing to extend us this camaraderie
in a situation such as this, it is not going to affect the program as far ass the'State
is concerned and on the other hand it does show that the two cities stand together
on the matter of the freeway.
Councilman Snyder: I don't know what we stand together on - wie are
just needling the Highway Department. I don't see
how this helps us a bit.
Mayor Krieger:
Can you suggest how it hurts us?
Councilman .Snyder: Yes, it needles the highway department and makes it
harder for us to negotiate and damages any possible
cooperation we may have built up.
Mayor Krieger: If I remember correctly, I was the one delegated by
the Council to negotiate with that Division of High -
Ways and if I felt that in anyway it would under-
mine. anything I certainly would not come out in support of it.
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CITY MANAGER - Continued
Motion failed on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
NOES: Councilmen Snyder and Nichols
ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
;Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that the recommenda-
tion of"Mr: Fast, Public Service Director, be adopted and that the council authorize a
letter be prepared to the City of Covina to be signed by the Mayor indicating that the
City of West Covina has no objection to the City of. Covina executing a! -Freeway Agree-
ment pertaining to the Holt Avenue interchange.
Motion failed on roll call vote as follows:
AYES: Councilmen .Nichols and Snyder
NOES: Councilman Gleckman, Mayor Krieger
ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by. Councilman Gleckman, and carried that
this matter be held over':until the: adjourned meeting of April :17th .
EFFECT ON LOCAL JURISDICTIONS OF A CERTAIN PROVISION
CONTAINED IN THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT OF
1965.
• Mayor Krieger:
The recommendation is that it be referred to the staff.
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Mayor Krieger, and carried, that this
matter be --referred to the staff.
ITEMS FOR INFORMATION AND/OR ACTION
BARRANCA AVENUE IMPROVEMENT
REQUEST BY EAST HILLS HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that the City
Council reaffirm its intentions to perform this work as authorized and that the Mayor
be authorized to notify the'East Hills Homeowners' Association that the city is
making every effort to proceed with this improvement at the earliest possible time.
Councilman. Nichols: In that the "as authorized above" requires the
implementation again of the 1911 Act procedure,
and in that this street is another of the major
thru arteries in the City, I again must go on record opposing the use of the 1911
Act procedure in this instance. Therefore, I will have to vote -No on the motion.
Motion carried on roll call vote as follows:
•AYES: Councilmen Snyder, Gleckman and Mayor Krieger
NOES: Councilman Nichols
ABSENT: : Councilman. Gillum
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LARK ELLEN IMPROVEMENT
RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION
HELD OVER
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager, advised the Council that he had the
report but did not want to make it available, .... the approximate Right -Of -Way
-is -seventy some hundred dollars. The report is ready for Council review anytime
they would like to review it.
Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by. Councilman Snyder, and carried, that
this item be carried over to the agenda of the April 17th adjourned meeting.
Mayor Krieger: I think the City Manager would like to encourage the
Council to review the appraisal report between now and
the April 17th adjourned meeting.
APPROVAL OF REVISED SELECT SYSTEM
BY CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY. COMMISSION
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by. Snyder, and carried that this item be
received and filed.
INFORMAL REPORT ON EMPLOYEE REACTION
TO DR..MISNER ORIENTATION
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager, advised the Council that this is a preliminary report and
there will be an additional one regarding the comments of employees which has not
yet been finalized,
Councilman Gleckman: Okay. That is the one we requested.
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by. Councilman Gleckman, and carried,
that this preliminary report be received and filed.
SUBURBAN - WEST COVINA/WALNUT PUC
HEARINGS
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that
the report be received and filed.
BADILLO STREET IMPROVEMENT
Motion by. Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried that
the informational status report be received and filed.
Mayor. Krieger advised City Manager, Mr. Aiassa, that he could remove'Item 4 as
• it had been handled earlier in the evening.
FIRE DEPARTMENT 5 YEAR IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
the Fire Department 5 Year Improvement Program be received and filed.
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ITEMS FOR'INFORMATION AND/OR ACTION - Continued
DATA BANK
'Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
• the `quarterly report on Data Bank be received and filed.
Mr. Aiassa,: City Manager: We do have a Summary Report of what is to be
accomplished with the $ 300. by the other cities in
the'Valley; the'Mayor has a copy and I have one more
copy, if any of the councilmen are interested,.I will be happy to circulate it.
Mayor Krieger:
PERSONNEL BOARD REQUEST
STUDY SESSION
I think it ought to be circulated amongst the Council.
Mayor Krieger: Inasmuch, as they are talking about it being not prior to
30 days, perhaps it would be more appropriate if the
Personnel Board indicated to the council when they
want the Study. Session.
Motion by Councilman -Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, .and carried,
that the council direct the City Manager to determine in liaison with the council
members individually and the Personnel Board the date suitable for such a meeting.
REVISION OF PUBLIC AUTHORITY MEETING SCHEDULE
Mayor Krieger: You have a staff report on this dated April 19th. .I
gather it is just informational.
'Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by ,Ma-i�,or','Kr, eiger, and carried, that this
report be received and filed.
WILLIAMS, COOK & MOCINE
STATEMENT - MARCH, 1967
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Nichols, that the`March,
1967, statement in the amount of $832.50 from Williams, Cook & Mocine, be
accepted and filed, and that payment be authorized in the amount of $832.50.
Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Nichols, Snyder, Gleckman and Mayor Krieger
NOES: None
• ABSENT. Councilman Gillum.
EXPIRING COMMISSION TERMS
Mayor Krieger: This is a reminder of the Expiring Commission Terms to._:
call to your attention: Planning Commission - Mr..McCann's
term expires June 30, 1967; Recreation & Park. Commission - Mr.. Johnson's term
expires June 30, 1967; Personnel Board - Mr. Young's term expires June 30, 1967;
and all terms of the'Human Relations Commission expire as of June 30, 1967; and it
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ITEMS FOR INFORMATION AND/OR ACTION - Continued
will be appropriate for the council sometime between now and the expiration of those
terms to consider these appointments.
•Motion by. Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that
this matter of expiring commission terms be brought up on April 17th to set dates for
discussion.
CITY CLERK
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE. CONTROL NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL
OF APPLICATION OF JACKSON L, .McDANIEL
551 East Vine Avenue
Motion -by Councilman Gleckman,' seconded by Mayor Krieger, and carried, that the
application withdrawal.-d"ated'March '2`1 .-.-1967, of-Jackso'n L. McDaniel, be received
and filed.
ABC APPLICATION .,F.OR ON -SALE BEER LICENSE
Hazel L..Smith
The Crest
1232 West Francisquito Avenue
NO PROTEST
Motion by, Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried, that
. the above application for On-SaleBeer License by Hazel L. , Smith, not be. protested.
CITY TREASURER
None.
MAYOR'S REPORTS
LA PUENTE .ROAD NAME CHANGE
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried,
that the council is favorable to the communication from Mayor Hale of the City of
:Walnut.,_ , and that a communication be sent advising that the City of West Covina
would be favorably disposed to a consideration of a possible change of name of
LaPuente Road .
CAREER GUIDANCE CENTER WEEK
Mayor Krieger: If there are no objections, I will proclaim the week
of April 10 to 16, 1967, as Career Guidance Center Week.
• (No objections voiced)
So proclaimed.
HARVEY JOHNSON TESTIMONIAL DINNER
Mayor Krieger: There is a request for a.tresoluti-on.by.the-.Cityy Council.
to be presented to Assemblyman Johnson. I discussed this
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Page Thirty -Seven
to determine whether or not there has been any precedent on this and none has been call-
-ed to my attention, and I am wondering whether or not this is the desirable way to handle
• these things .
Councilman- Snyder: We gave a resolution to Nixon once, but not anybodyAthis (E EL,
I think, as a matter of precedent, we should
avoid resolutions to parties in partisan office.
•
Councilman .Nichols: My feeling in all sincerity _ would apply equally to any
elected official, only a very exceptional circumstance would
encourage me to pass a resolution. However, I think the
council should respond with some sort of communication, or letter f rom the council
in the sentiments that are being sought. I would not go on record as approving a
resolution, but I would approve a communication of some sort.
Mayor Krieger: A letter over the=Mayor's signature?
Councilman Nichols: Yes.
Councilman Snyder: I would go along with that.
"Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by. Councilman Snyder, and carried, that
a letter signed by the Mayor expressing the council's sentiments be sent to
Assemblyman Harvey Johnson.
STATE DIVISION OF HIGHWAYS
"Mayor Krieger: I would like to comment briefly to the council on the
fact that I have heard from Mr. Hoy, which was subse-
quent to a four and a half hour meeting that took place
-at the State'Division of Highways in the month of March. Mr. Aissa, Mr. Fast,
Mr. Hoy, Mr. Schaefer, Mr. Bartell , and one other gentleman from the State
Division of Highways participated. Mr. Hoy called me last week and advised me
that his staff was still engaged in the program of feasibility studies and designs
for south Vincent Avenue, and for the widening of the four underpasses that have
been requested by this -City, and that the State is restudying this matter of south
Vincent and the four underpasses and that we could expect, hopefully, the State's
feasibility study and the design proposals for these items in May. -So this is the
current status of those negotiations with the State.
WARRANT SHEET
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that
the Mayor act as an -alternate in the absence of Councilman Gillum, to sign the
warrant sheet.
• COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS
Councilman Gleckman: I have a couple of things I want to bring up. First of
all, regarding our Beautification. Committee - has there
been any plans or any thought about what we are going to do about our City Yard?
Build a wall around it, or a fence, or something. We talk about sore eyes ....
Mr. Aiassa, City Manager:
We are going to move it.
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COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS - Continued
Councilman Gleckman: You are going to move it - maybe ten years from now.
Anyway I would like to bring it up and let the staff kick it
around. .We ask to beautify the City and that sticks out very badly.
•Another question of the -Planning Department. Do we have anything in our ordinance
where there is an eating establishment, a place where you go in and sit down and eat, that
they`are-ncYt; required to have Rest Rooms that are open to the public. And if not,
why not?
""Mr: 'Menard, Planning Director:
of State -Law.
I don't think it is contained within the
Zoning. Ordinance, but I will defer to Mr.
Williams. But I am quite sure it is part
Mr. Williams,. City Attorney: It would not be in the Zoning Ordinance. It would be
in the Health Code, and it is probably pre-empted by
the State which regulates these rulings. I do not know what the ruling is.
Councilman .Gleckman: If you get a chance, Mr. Williams,. sometime in the future
will you let me know. I am talking about any eating
establishments that you go in .and sit down to eat. .One of the constituents called me
'and I said I would bring it up at the next meeting. They went into one of our
eating establishments and the only Rest Room they had was for the help only. I would
.like to know on their Precise -Plan .if they have to signify if these are public rest rooms
or private rest rooms or anything.
• The joint meeting that the Personnel Board is requesting - -
I think the reason they put any type of urgency, if they have on it, is because there
'are -some items that- have been presented to them that we are going to have to talk
about prior to getting the budget from the City Manager, so you might keep that in
mind.
DEMANDS
Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman -Snyder, that council
approve'Demands totalling $275, 640.42, as listed on Demands' Sheet C538 through
C540 and Payroi 1 Demand Sheets.
Motion carried on roll call as follows:
AYES: Councilmen Nichols,: Snyder, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger.
NOES: None
ABSENT: Councilman Gillum
There being no further business, motion by Councilman
Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that this meeting be
adjourned at 11 p.m., until April 17, 1967, at 7: 30 p.m.
APPROVED '7/�j �7
Mayor
ATTEST:
City Clerk