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01-03-1967 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA JANUARY 3, 1967 The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Krieger at 7-;30 o'clock P.M. in the West Covina City Hallo Councilman Nichols led the Pledge of-Allegianceo ROLL CALL Present; Mayor. Krieger, Councilmen Cillum, Nichols, Snyder (from 7:50 P.M,), Gleckman Others Present, Mr, George Aiassa, City Manager Mr., Robert Flotten, City Clerk Mr, Herman R. Fast, Public Services Director Mr, Owen Menard, Planning Director Mr, George Zimmerman, Assistant City Engineer CITY MANAGER'SREPORTS JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT 0 City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: (Gave summary of this matter.) .Mayor Krieger; On Pape S. Section 10, three paragraphs down, the last line - that paragraph beginning with the words "powers as are imposed upon the County in the exercise of similar powers". I trust that that really should be imposed upon the "City in the exercise of similar powers"') In Section 8 on Page 4 you find the same sentence structure when thev, were talking about design and construction by County and they provide there "exercising such powers as are imposed upon the County in the exercise of similar powers", Now, when you get to Section 10, I can't concede that they really mean as "are imposed upon the County", Public Services Director, Mr. Fast: They do, for this reason; Under public authority we both have to operate by the same ground rules in regard to foremat, legal procedure, documents, et cetera, and the City Attorney agrees with the County Counsel that we must go along with the more restrictive powers, which` are the County powers as opposed to those under a general law city; so - it is deliberates That has to do essentially with rules and regulations of purchase, contract, things of this nature, The wording is correct, Mayor Krieger; In the draft of December 23, 1966 in the same section there are a number of paragraphs added, What was the reason for those numbered paragraphs? Public Services Director, Mr, Fast; They were added in both drafts. These three points are, in fact, covered when we are talking about some of these exercising of powers as imposed on the Council in exercise of similar powers, but because it was felt by the respective staffs that the business of change orders or modification to the contract was an important enough subject that it should be spelled out, these are the three different methods that the County also uses. This came from the County, -1- • 11 • C, C, 1./3/67 Page Two JO'I'NT POWERS AGREEMENT - Continued Mayor Krieger; Before our nla.ns could 7o forward with our parrk%.ng facilities, we are going to have to determine specifically what the request of the County is atthat point because i.f you should ao ahead with your plans and then they should make this request you might find yourself in a very awkward position, We will have to assume the burden under this paragraph of specifically asking them under Paragraph 18, "Do you request any parking", and if they say "No" then we want it in writing .from them that they do not request it so they cannot later come back and say "Under paragraph 18 we request parking provisions", (Councilman Snyder entered the chambers at 7:50 o'clock P.M.) Public Services Director, Mr, Fast: On Page 10 they didn't catch the error of "December, 1966" and we would offer the change of "(blank) day of (blank) , 1967", Councilman Gillum; Public Services Director, Mr, Fast: Has Mr, Williams seen the revised agreement dated January 3, 1966? Mr, Williams advised me he was satis- fied with it; that he was familiar with it. Motion by Councilman Gleckman, seconded by Councilman Gillum, that the City Council authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute the Joint Powers Agreement for the establishment of a public authority to provide a civic center in West Covina; this Joint Powers Agreement shall be in general conformance with the draft attached to this report dated January 3, 1967, subject to the approval of the Cite Attorney, Motion passed*on roll call as follows; Ayes: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Snyder, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger Noes: None Absent; None LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CONTRACT Councilman Snyder: I need some explanation of $3839000.00 for landscaping for 15 acres, Public Services Director, Mr, Fast; This estimate was made as a result of a schematic plan drawn up by the Department of Landscaping within the County Engineer's Office, What we are asking for here is not approval of the budget, but a con- sideration of the scheme whereby the County pays for half of the total landscaping and whereby the City has contrastable cognizance of the landscape architect's contract which is a percentage of the construction cost, Councilman Snyder; I do feel this somehow gives the landscape architect carte blanche to spend a little more than I thought he should spend. I would like to see a breakdown of those figures before I would like to approve this agreement, -2- ri • C, C, 1/3/67 LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CONTRACT - Continued Page Three Public Services Director, Mr, Fast: We have compared the estimate of Neptune and Thomas of. $150,000,00 with this new estimate and the $1500000,00 is strictly plant materials, soil sterilization, soil fertilization, top dressing, and the plants themselves, It does not include many other costs which Neptune and Thomas chose to include in their cost breakdown in things called site development. Neptune and Thomas have reviewed this estimate and concur that it generally compares with their estimate of landscaping costs. (Put breakdown of costs on board and explained same,) We feel this is a good estimate for landscaping to cover our civic center as civic centers are now being built, The Council, under Article 2 of the architects' services, looks at this thin, twice from a cost expenditure standpoint -- under the schematic portion of the work mm and they will, in fact, adopt at that time a budget which will be based upon some detailed design. This is going, to include some concrete work, It does not include a basic retaining wall helping to form the depressed area of the parking lot, That is part of the construction contract with Neptune and Thomas, Mayor Krieger: These figures come from the County and they have had ample experience, Groundwise, because they are a fraction of the total area, .t would be in their interests to try to keen these costs down as much as possible, They have about a third of the total and yet their participation is fifty-fifty, so on those ratios it would be to their ,-interest to try to keep the landscaping costs down as much as possible 'for their return, We will be looking at this thing at all stages, On .Page 6 it says specifically in the event the Council does not intend to proceed with the construction of project , , ,", I don't like your Paragraph B here, the last sentence "any modifications requested by the County are hereby approved if satisfactory to the City Manager and the City Attorney", I think it is much too broad. It should be only if it is substantially the same as the agreement proposed here, Public Services Director, Mr, Fast: All right, Mayor Krieger: I would suggest "any modifications requested by the County, if substantially in conformance with the proposed agreement attached to the letter of December 30, 1966 and satisfactory to the City Manager and the City Attorney ", Councilman Snyder: I can't vote for this tonight, I need to be convinced more, Mayor Krieger: Maybe it would be best if Dr, Snyder or any member of the Council would -care to investigate it further there would be no harm to holding it to the meeting of the 9th. This is the day before the County is taking up the. Joint Powers Agreement. Public Services Directory Mr, Fast: regard to the foremat of this contract in that area between now and the 9th? Councilman Snyder: Would the Council object if we conferred with County staff in. and work on their concurrence I would be willing to agree to the foremat, which is Paragraph A, -3- C, Ca 1/3/67 Page Four LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CONTRACT - Continued Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Pillum, and carried, that Item 2 on the agenda (Landscape Architect Contract94 be held over to the regular Council meeting of Jam.:ary 9, 1967, Mayor Krieger; FREEWAY WIDENING Basically the concept as such is acceptable to the Council, That is a consensus of. opinion, (Various diagrams were submitted and Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Fast gave brief summaries of this matter,) Mr, Zimmerman: On Vincent Avenue our recommendation was for Plan A mainly because there.would be an underpass that would not obstruct the view; it would take less property; the bridging is perhaps shorter than most of the others; and in general it seemed to be the best one in our opinion, Councilman Nichols: Tf you built a bridge structure side by side with the one •crossing Vincent now to carry the frontage road on a straight shot, would it not be possible for the State by using a bridging technique for their off and on ramps, which I see used down on the San Diego Freeway in the Rossmore area, would it not be possible and less expensive than most any other plan for the State to come in with the off ramps where they begin to leave the freeway, they rise, and they get to whatever the height is they need and swing off and swing right off over the local surface road and drop down and join the north and south road, or whatever it might be? That would enable the frontage road to run a straight shot and require only one bridge structure for the frontage road, Mr, Zimmerman: In order to get that 20 feet of clearance you would have to go 500 to 700 feet down the freeway, You would have a big hill in .front of your businesses. I would say here that it is impossible for grade reasons, Councilman Nichols; If the staff feels of all the avenues there is only one they could recommend as a possibility, that would have to be the one I think they should explore further and come up with more detailed analysis of, Mayor. Krieger: I don't think thev have said it. that strongly, I think they favor it more than the others, • Mr, Zimmerman: This is correct, Councilman Snyder; The principle we should emphasize is more free flow frontage road and that Plan A, in the opinion of the staff, is our first alternate, but we should retain the others as alternates, -4- • C, C, 1./3/67 FREEWAY WIDENING - Continued Page Five Councilman Gleckman; Tf you get that ramp that goes into California off the freeway, then and only then do you have access from that freeway into what is known as the Old Center, unless you go Center Street, That, to me, would be essential for that plan to work, Mayor Krieger; It is the concurrence of the Council that Plan A represents first preference at Vincent Avenue Interchange South, (Various diagrams for the interchange at Azusa Avenue were submitted and Mr, Zimmerman gave a brief summary of this matter,) Councilman Gleckman; T am not in agreement with this, Do you feel the additional off ramp there will be sufficient to take the additional traffic during the busy hours? Councilman Snyder; I think the staff recommendation for Azusa Avenue South with the existing recommendation of the State on the north should be approved, Mayor Krieger: I think the Council agrees on that, (Various diagrams for the interchange at Citrus Avenue were submitted and Mr, Zimmerman pave a brief summary of this matter,) Mayor Krieger; I think you have good traffic flow coming off the freeway at Citrus but it doesn't seem to me you have equally good traffic flow getting onto the freeway, Mr, Zimmerman. We are favoring the busiest direction of traffic, and I think you will find that the main trend of traffic is to the north on Citrus from the west, Councilman Snyder: I think the off ramp from the west to go north on Citrus should be separated from the frontage road, It looks like there is enough room there, There could be some conflict of traffic there, Councilman Cleckman; Put a median strip there and you won't have that problem, I think this is acceptable for the.amount of traffic we will get in that area, Mayor Krieger: I think the consensus is that we agree on Plan A .for Citrus Avenue, We should have all these rough drawings reproduced for more presentable form for the Council and the next step is to set up a meeting with the State Division of Highways with these specific proposals, Mr. Aiassa, could you give us a report on.the 9th on how soon.we can meet with the State Division of Highways? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa; Certainly, -5- • C, C, 1/3/67 Page Six FREEWAYWIDENING - Continued Mayor Krieger; I would like to meet with these men and tell them str.ai.aht out this represents our best opinion as to what we need and unless they can give it to us or reasonable alternatives to solve this problem, that this is the end of the line as far as our discussions are concerned on the widening of. the San Bernardino Freeway, I don't think coming from the staff it is going to mean the same thing to these gentlemen, Either we believe in what we are doing ._n this program or we do not, I think all five of us basically believe that we are not goi.ng to enter into an agreement with the State Division of Highways.to widen that freeway through this community unless we have some solution to our Iroblem, and thev haven't come un with a.nv solution so far and the opinion of our City Attorney suggests that they can't widen the freeway without an agreement with this community, As long as we are the governing body of this community, we will decide whether this community will enter into such an agreement, Councilman Snyder They are building beautiful freeways in many sections and we suffered from all the mistakes and they attempt to show it is all our fault in our planning, but the State helped us to foul up these intersections and they have to help us solve the problems, Mayor Krieger: The 16th of January will be the meeting with the State representatives at 7;30 P,M, COMMUNITY YOUTH CENTER CONTRACT Mayor Krieger; We have received the memorandum regarding this matter, Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Cleckman, and carried, to approve the plans and specifications for the construction of the addition to the Community Youth Center; that the staff be authorized to advertise for bids up to the amount as set forth in the memorandum of December 30, 1966, MESSINGER CONSULTANTS COMPANY City Manager-, Mr, Aiassa; We would prefer that the City Attorney's agreement be the supplemental agreement, The one not signed is the one we recommend, Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and •carried, that the City Council authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute the supplemental agreement approved by the City Attorney relating to the take-over of Messinger Consultants Company as per the memorandum from the Public Services Director of December 30, 1966, U • C, C, 1/3/67 CITY MANAGER'S REPORTS - Continued NEW PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT Page Seven Mayor Krieger: One is Sentous Avenue and the second is Workman Avenue, We have received a report on these matters, Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, that the City Council approve City Project SP-67019, and authorize the staff to prepare plans and specifications and cost estimates, Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that the Council authorize and direct the City Controll.er to provide the funds for Project SP-67019 from the Unappropriated Gas Tax Monies Section 186-1, Mr, Zimmerman: (Gave brief summary of the Workman Avenue project,) Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, to authorize the City Project SP-67018, Workman Avenue .from Azusa Avenue to the easterly City limit in Short Form 1911 Act; that the staff be authorized to prepare plans and specifications and a precise cost estimate as set forth in the memorandum of December 30, 1966 from staff, Motion. by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, and carried, that the Council authorize and direct the City Controller to provide the funds for Project SP-67018 from Unappropriated Gas Tax Monies Section 186-1, FIRE. STATION NO, 6 REPORT (A map was presented and Mr. Fast gave a brief summary of this matter,) Mayor Krieger: I was surprised to see in this Fire Department Report for Proposed Fire Station 3, I think the staff should be discouraged from incorporating a statement such as appears: "Cost appears to be prohibitive because of probability of a gasoline station site". I think they are getting into something outside of the judgment of any staff department and I think they prejudice the case of the City or whoever does own the property at the time that any possible condemnation action might be contemplated for that property or any other, Councilman Snyder: I would agree with that, Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Cleckman, and •carried, that the Council authorize the City Manager to proceed with negotiations for the purchase of a site for future Fire Station No, 6 utilizing during the course of his negotiations the recommendation of the memorandum of December 30, 1966 which .states that the first choice for the location is identified as Area B, Site 2 as described on Exhibit 1 posted on the board at this Council meeting, 19t 0 • C, C, 1/3/67 CITY MANAGER'S REPORTS - Continued EMPLOYEE WAGE AND SALARY SURVEY ORIENTATION CONTRACT Mayor Krieger: Page Eight We have the report from Mr. Russell dated December. 29th, Councilman Nichols: Move that the Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to execute the attached agreement with Dr. Mizner in an amount not to exceed $775,00; that the monies be provided -from Account No, 121-741,4, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Mayor Krieger.: Gave summar.v of this matter,) The motion dies for lack of a second, Councilman Snyder: Tt seems to me the basic in the American system of salary setting is at least the opportunity to negotiate, Tf you giant to hire policemen and you only have two people wanting., to be policemen you have to raise your salaries to get them, This doesn't leave any room for negotiation and I don't see how it is going to eliminate hearings because it will teach the employee more of what to .fight for to get a higher salary, Mayor Krieger: Mr, Gold came into the picture first in 1964, We heard in 1964 we were out.of balance in terms of comparable communities as to what they were paying their people in various fields, In 1965 we updated the survey, Now it is proposed we do it again. The whole idea is to bring our salary structure into balance with comparable communities, The process now is to convince the people whose salary we are trying, to equitably adjust that we are equitably adjusting their salaries and why we are making these equitable adjustments, I don't understand this process, I can't see this approach to the matter as a solution to a problem we have. I don't see the counterpart in private industry or public life, We are hiring a man to indoctrinate people as to what we are trying, to do for them so they will be happier in the process of us doing it for them and perhaps in the process to enable them better to complete a questionnaire which would apparently substantiate in certain instances a different classification or pay scale which, again, is to their advantage and in order to accommodate them in the process we will do some of it on the time that we are paying them to perform their duties, Councilman Gillum: I realize how important it is to maintain people in a business and when you start having turnover it is costly to a business or the City for any reason, I think everything we can do as a City to maintain the people we have in their jobs so we do get the value out of them is • fine, but I honestly cannot buy this type of service, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: You would not have the union problems today that you do if. they had done this kind of work in private industry fifteen years ago, • C, Co 1/3/67 Page Nine EMPLOYEE WAGE AND SALARY SURVEY ORIENTATION CONTRACT - Continued Councilman Gleckman: I thank i.f the City Manager and the Personnel Board feel this is a new approach to salary survey I would go along with it, I surmise that Dr, Mizner is capable in all different fields, On this assumption, the only reason I did not second Councilman Nichols' motion was I.felt that the change requested by the City Attorney, Paragraph No, 6, should have been included in the motion, Motion. by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that the attached agreement dated December 29, 1966 to include Page 2 and Points 3, 49 5, and 6 in the agreement be accepted by the Council and that funds in an amount not to exceed $775,00 be made available .from Budget Account No, 121-741,4; that the previously described agreement be approved by the Council and that the Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to execute said agreement, Motion failed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Nichols, Gleckman Noes: Councilmen Gillum, Snyder, Mayor Krieger Absent: None Councilman Gillum: I did not vote against this for the reason that I want to deny the employees any benefit, I cannot accent this concept in personnel work, It is not the money, either, Councilman. Snyder: RESOLUTION NO, 3522 ADOPTED Department Head Salaries Mayor Krieger: I would agree with that, The City Manager presented: "A RESOLUTION Or THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMENDING DEPARTMENT HEAD SALARIES OF RESOLUTION NO, 1277" Hearing no objections, we will waive further reading of the body of the resolution, Motion by Councilman Gillum, seconded by Councilman Gleckman, that said msolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Gillum, Nichols, Snyder, Gleckman, Mayor Krieger Noes: None Absent: None Said resolution was given No, 3522, • COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS PICKERING TRACT Councilman Gillum: We had this item circulated to us on a letter from Mr. Leederman apparently in the Pickering Tract, Apparently he seems to be getting no satisfaction from anyone regarding the weeds in that area, ME v Ca C, 1/3/67 Page Ten PICKERING TRACT - Continued h would like this matter referred to the staff and brought back to the Council for further information, City -Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Fine, AMBULANCE SERVICE Councilman Gillum: I would like the staff to Dive us some information on what we are spending at the present time contracting with the County or private firms for ambulance service within our City, I would like to know the possibilities and the expense for the City to operate some type of emergency ambulance service through the Fire Department or. the Police Department or whether it is completely out of the .range at this time, Mayor Krieger: This was discussed at some length recently by the previous Council. I think the staff should make available to both Councilmen Gillum and Gleckman the Minutes of those meetings and you can take it from there, Councilman Snyder; I might comment that there is no way no matter how you set up an ambulance system that you can always be guaranteed to be there immediately. Secondly, ambulance service is extremely aexpensive, You have to maintain a crew around the clock whether you re running or not, On the whole, we have been really fairly well served, LETTERS OF PRAISE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT Councilman. Nichols: It seems to me that some months ago the Council gave a directive to the City Manager that we were not particularly interested in receiving multiple copies of all letters of praise of the Police Department, and. I don't mean to reflect ill upon anyone, but I am confident that our Police Department occasionally gets letters of criticism and we never get those in routine copies, I.f. the Police Department wants to send me all letters from the public so I can. evaluate the situation, I would be happy to get all of them, Mayor Krieger: I don't think the Council desires to see letters of commendation directed to any of the City departments, I would like to at least receive any letters of criticism directed to any of the departments, • Councilman Nichols; It is my feeling that it.should be a discretionary matter, It would be my opinion that all letters that come in from the public to these departments the City Manager should automatically see, If the City Manager feels, from his discretionary point of view, that it would be wise that the Council have the benefit of the contents of those letters no matter from what department, then I would like to see it, _10- C, C, 1/3/67 Page Eleven COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS - Continued • 1911.ACT Councilman Gleckman: I have had some thoughts regarding our 1911 Act, T don't think it is proper for the Council to come under criticism among People where the 1911 Act is being put down and the costs that they are paving, as in the case on Dark Ellen, as being caused by the acquis.iti.on of land that the neighbors of these people who refused to dedicate or who haven't dedicated as their neighbors have should not be nut into some type of public relations where the neighbors Prior to us goina ahead on the 1911 Act would be so _nformed that the costs would be so much due to the fact of the non dedication of lands by their neighbors, if this is the situation, and maybe they, as some type of committee, could go to these people, I think this Council will be faced with this time and time again in the future throughout the whole community, If some good can come out of a citizens' committee on these particular blocks or if, nothing else, a letter sent to all the people that were originally sent the idea of the 1911 Act after the action explaining the costs as we had them explained to us and as to why their costs are such, that maybe it would show an example to the people in the rest of the City in other parts of the City where we are trying to get this done that it is they themselves that are causing the costs of this to their neighbors so that the neighbors don't take it out on a City Council for trying to give them better improvements and better streets, I would like to see a letter go out to the people on Lark Ellen stating to themthe exact cost of the whole project broken down and with that $14,750 being explained that the following neighbors of yours did not dedicate their land, I don't know if it is legal but I think it should be done and let those people in that area get after their own neighbors rather than make this Council the ogre in a case like this, Mayor Krieger; I would think it would, be a tactical error for us to try to put a spotlight on one neighbor as against the other, nn the other hand'. I think your suggestion has great merit in terms of public relations to the people on Lark Ellen Avenue in the form of a letter from the Council explaining the facts and figures that went into our deliberations, but I don't think it would be desirable or advisable or eien commendable for this Council or any other Council to sav we did this because of so and so who live such and such, I think the facts and figures speak for themselves, I think if such a letter went out it would be very informative, Councilman Snyder: I wonder about the legality prior to the hearings because we would, in effect, be attempting to prejudice the testimony at the hearings, Councilman Nichols: There will in all probability be some further consideration or word that will reach the Council relative to this matter .from the people on Lark Ellen, Personally, I doubt any communication would register to those involved, Their feeling at the present time is that they are being doubly taxed and possibly illegally taxed, in their opinion. I don't think I have ever seen this Council as a body take an action that has disturbed me more .from a standpoint of only my own values system, This has bothered me very, very greatly. I think a very, very great wrong is being done upon a few property owners, I don't know whether there is an answer to it, • 0 0 C, C, 1/3/67 Pape Twelve 1911.ACT - Continued Councilman Pleckman : My suggestion was primarily .for these people to know this is the situation. I am sure there wasn't one person, with maybe the exception of those receiving benefits from the improvement, T A.m positive i.n my own mind that there was not one person on that list that protested that understood that of the seventeen thousand some odd dollars, $1.4,750 of it was caused by the neighbors not dedicating their. property, Councilman Snyder: It was discussed that night and if they couldn't get it from a discussion of that sort, how will they get it from a letter? Councilman Gleckman: Move that a letter be sent to all the property owners involved in the 1911 Act on Lark Ellen Avenue explaining to them the costs of this operation and why it breaks down the wav it does, Councilman Nichols: Would you have included in the communication a brief statement that would explain that normally costs are kept down through land dedicating, citing some examples, and that the lack of land dedication in this case by some of the property owners is raising the price? Councilman Gleckman: Councilman Nichols: Councilman Snyder: Councilman Gillum: That is the intent of my motion, I will second the motion, I can't vote for the motion unless the letter comes back to the Council for approval. I think Mr., Williams should see it, Councilman Snyder: I don't think it should be apologetic. I think we did what we had to do. I think it can no more than explain the situation in facts and figures. Councilman Gleckman: I am not talking about just Lark Ellen, We have taken a step in the direction to what the majority of the people in this City would like to see and I feel we are going to have many more cases of the 1911.Act within our City. That is the reason for it, Councilman Snyder: I would go for letters in the future if it is legal and wouldn°t prejudice people before the hearing, Mayor Krieger: The present motion regards Lark Ellen only, Councilman. Gleckman: I would like to have a draft of this letter made up .for the Council approval by the City Attorney and to be signed by the Mayor, I will so amend my motion, Councilman Nichols: I will accept the amendment, Action on Councilman Gleckman's motion: Motion carried, (Councilman Snyder voted,"No",) -12- El 0 C, C, 1/3/67 1911.ACT - Continued Page Thirteen Councilman Snyder: In regard to future areas, I think you have a good suggestion if these people are educated before the hearing time as to what their rights are, et cetera, Mayor Krieger: Would you also discuss with Mr. Williams the legality of such communications.before rather than after the fact? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: All right, REVENUE AND TAXATION COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT Councilman Snyder: I have been appointed to the Revenue and Taxation Committee again which necessitates trips to San Francisco once in a while and I till be asking for travel pay, GENERAL PLAN BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE Councilman Snyder: As to the General Plan Blue Ribbon Committee, was it your intention as you did on the Civic Center Committee to appoint a citizen chairman prior to their meeting? Mayor Krieger: We did not appoint a chairman prior, The committee had two orientation meetings before any chairman was appointed for that committee, Councilman Snyder: I did promise that the Civic Center Committee could review the Joint Powers Agreement, Mayor Krieger: As far as the Committee itself is concerned, I think the invitation is open to them. We will discuss this with staff and see what we can come up with, There being no further. business, Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Gillum, and carried, that this meeting adjourn at 10:50 P,M, APPROVED ATTEST: MAYOR CITY CLERK -13-