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02-01-1965 - Regular Meeting - Minutes• MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA February .1, 1965 The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Snyder at 7:35 P.M. in the West Covina City Hallo Councilman Jett led the Pledge of Allegiance. The invocation was given by Robert Flotten, City Clerk. ROT.T. rAT.T. ' Present: Mayor Snyder, Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath Others Present: Mr, George Aiassa, City Manager Mr. Robert Flotten, City Clerk & Admin. Assistant Mr, John Q. Adams, Public Services Director Mr. Harold Joseph, Planning Director Absent: Mr, Harry Co Williams, City Attorney Councilman Nichols: I was in attendance at the services of the wife of the Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Commission. Gene Johnson had given many years of service to this community. She passed away Saturday evening after a very brief illness and I am sure that all Councilmen join me in recog- nizing this is a real loss to our community. SCHEDULED MATTERS MR. AR T'NfL.R AMENDMENT NO. 66 City Initiated HELD OVER Planning Commission Resolution No. 1965 with the hearing held open. Request to amend the sign pro- visions set forth in Chapters two and four of the Municipal Code. Approval recommended by 1726. Held over from January 1.1, Councilman Krieger: We have a memo dated January 27 from the Planning Commission calling our attention to the fact that the Council may wish to con- sider certain information brought to their attention from the mem- bers of the sign industry that were not available to the Planning Commission during its deliberations. I think in all fairness to the Planning Commission this should be referred back to the Planning Commission for the purpose of taking such additional testimony they may wish to take on this matter to determine whether or not the pro- posed changes to the sign ordinance do in fact represent their opinion • after hearing whatever additional views might be presented to them. Councilman Jett: I have spent considerable time on this sign ordinance. I wonder if it might not be a good idea if we would open the hearing and maybe discuss some of these points and then refer the entire matter back to the Planning Commission so they will have the benefit -1- ,a El C, C, 2/l/65 AMENDMENT NO, 66 m Continued Page Two p6ssibly of our thinking so when they review this they can come back to us with a recommendation with some of these things we have discussed, too, I think the Planning Commission should have the benefit of this thinking they didn't have before, Planning Directors Mr, Joseph: (Read Planning Commission Resolution No, 1726 and gave a'brief summary of this matter,) Mayor Snyder: California Electric Sign Association, who will comment on this, Mr, Ed Cronan 4461 Melrose Avenue Los Angeles This is the time and place for the public hearing, We have a letter from the I think there is someone here I am the Executive Director of the California Electric Sign Association, Without commenting further on the gratitude on behalf of the Electric Sign Association as expressed by their resolution to this Council for the consideration given for us being heard on our recommendations to this Councils the City of West Covina, I would like to add to it the quite personal gratitude in the ability of working with the members of your staff in a very objective sense to work out what we feel are sincere problems not only on behalf of the Sign Industry but perhaps from the City of West Covina, This is our main objective, to arrive at good, workable ordinances that are restrictive and yet understandable, We are in concurrence that the majority of our recommendations are primarily administrative interpretations and we believe we can work them out,, There are a few areas where we disagree and I submit that perhaps we can take care of them with the Planning Commission and then come back to you with sound recommendations for -what we believe will be a good sign ordinance, Mr, Russ Grunawald Sign Contractor Neon Products Signs for the benefit of the City would like to go back to the further recommendations, Mr, James Charter 433 South Meadow Road West Covina I haven't too much to add to what Mr, Cronan has already said, We feel the review of the sign ordinance will be of West Covina and the merchants, We Planning Commission to discuss our The action on this ordinance has been dragging and dragging, Is this something that is going back and remain there another three months and then.come back here and be dragged out again or is some action going to be taken on this? I am very happy, with the ordinance as it was presented by your staff and approved by the Planning Commission, I would like to see that passed.. There being no further public testimony, the hearing was closed, -2— .! 0 7 1� Co C, 2/l/65 AMENDMENT N0, 66 - Continued Page Three Councilman Heath: If this is going back before the Planning Commission and there is other evidence I believe they will have to.hold a public hearing and they would have to readvertise, Councilman Krieger: This is in no way different than what we did with Home Savings and Loan when we referred certain matters that were brought to our attention back to the Commission and asked for their comments,.and they made.their.comments, Councilman Heaths I feel this should go back to ' the Planning Commission, It is a technicality here whether or not you have to have a public hearing, I would be in favor of sending,it back for report but I would like an opinion from the City Attorney; Councilman Krieger: I thought we had an opinion from him on the Home Savings and Loan matters because the very same issue was brought up, I believe he . said once the matter is before the City Council the jurisdiction is strictly within the Council and we are asking for their comments in their.capacity as an advisory group, Councilman Jett: I have a few recommendations on this ordinance. I feel it would be.more equitable to say in the number of signs permitted that it shall be limited to two. The reason is that if we have a lot of signs that would be facing a major street or freeway then perhaps they would like.to have their main sign but at the same time they would want the entrance to the building or the face of the building identified, Councilman Krieger: Councilman Jett: How would Item 6 tie in with your suggestion? I think this in some cases would probably do what I am suggesting here, There was another question that I have and that is the height of the sign not to extend above the height of the building, There are cases where your store buildings will not exceed 12 or 15 feet, This is a free-standing sign, I feel there are occasions where this would.work a hardship because the reason for the free-standing sign is usually for some purpose* either the business is behind other buildings or, some other reason and I think this should be given a grreater'heighto What the height limit might be, I don't know, I have another question regarding flashing signs, According to our ordinance at the present time it is absolutely forbidden that they move. This means that time and temperature signs, for example, are not permitted. Another sign not permitted would be a barber polo I think instead of having such an absolute ordinance it should be written to accomplish what we want to do but yet would permit something of this nature. In going through the variances I find that some of these are the things we have had the most trouble with, -3- 10 • LJ� t Cc Cd ' 2/1/65 AMENDMENT NOa 66 - Continued Page Four Councilman Krieger-. I believe, Mr,, Joseph, in your statement of introduction you indicated that certain items in this memo from the California Electric Sign Association may have been deleted through your conversations,, What numbers are those? Planning Director, Mr,, Joseph-. The ones they continued to object to that cant be settled by interpretation is the number of signs permitted per building frontage,, They would like'the number of signs to be increased On No,, 3, which relates to Item 4 on Page 3, they want to delete the same stipulation as Mr,, Jett and have a maximum height of 45 feet,, They want to delete everything after "Planning Department,,", which is the fifth line down. And on No,, 6, the third .paragraph, which has to do with the height of the free-standing signs_ there is an objection,, On No,, 8, which has to do with.the movement of the signs, we couldn't resolve this one way or the other,, I believe with these exceptions we have settled the rest of their objections through interpretation,, Mr,, Ed Cronan-. I would like to extend an invitation to this Council and to the entire staff of the City of West Covina at a date certain to be determined to review a modern manufacturing sign industry. I feel it will give you a comprehensive picture of the entire industry,, Mayor Snyder-. Thank you,, We will consider this and give you an answer,, Councilman Jett-. I think if these things are discussed by the Planning Commission they will come up with something everyone can live with. Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, that Amendment No,, 66 be held over to the regular Council meeting of February 23, 1965 with the hearing closed for additional report from the Planning Commission at their meeting of February 17, 1965 restricted -to the following questions-. (1) Regarding the number of identification signs on building faces not including walls containing a public entrance; (2) Height limitations on free-standing signs; (3) The question as to signs containing flashing or rotating symbols or in any way simulating motion; and (4) With respect to the. letter received from the California Electric Sign Association dated January 22, 19659 Items.No,, 2, 4, 6(c), and 8, except as otherwise contained in a specific request as previously noted (Mayor Snyder voted "No",,) -4- i C, C. 2/1/65 HEARINGS Continued Page Five AMENDMENT NO, 67 Request to amend Section 9219,12 City Initiated of the West Covina Municipal APPROVED Code as ,it relates to outdoor display and sale of merchandise and temporary signs relating thereto during special promotional events, Approval recommended by Planning Commission Resolution No, 1727, Hearing closed on January 11, 1965, and held over for decision to February 1, 1965, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: On Item 2, it is suggested to retain the remainder of the text except that the Office of the City Clerk should approve the uses in l(a) through 1(e) rather than requiring the City Council to approve such uses, -It says the City Clerk can authorize all these activities, I think we should create an administrative committee of the departments involved -- Mr, Flotten, Mr, Fowler, and Mr. Joseph; the Police and Fire Departments, when involved. This review board will review these applications and'if.they approve it the person will not have to come before the Council and if they disapprove it the person has the privilege to come to the Council and request a re-evaluation of the request, There is one provision in C • on Promotional Events on educational or civic or cultural nature, et cetera, and it should be "from this Committee" instead of "from the Planning Department," All applications must be made in advance of 15 days from the date they want their event so we can check them out. Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried, that Amendment No, 67 be approved as recommended by the Planning Commission in their Resolution No, 1727 and as further amended by the City Manager in the foregoing discussion, GENERAL MATTERS ORAL.COMMUNICATIONS POLICE CHIEF REPORT Police Chief Sill: I would like to bring the news to this Council that the two men involved in this shooting scrape have been captured in Oklahoma by.the Oklahoma Highway Patrol so we are awaiting extradition, RESOLUTION NO, 3090 ADOPTED Mayor Snyder: The City Clerk presented: "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA COMMENDING ,B-ENNET L, BA.TEMAN FOR HIS OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO THE CITY" Hearing no objections, we will waive further reading of the body of the resolution, -5- AI Ca Ca 2/I/65 Page Six RESCLUTh071 NO, 3090 - Continued Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, that said resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows; Ayes-. Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes.- None Absent-, None Said resolution was given No. 3090. RESOLUTION<:NO. 3091 The City Clerk presented. ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST1COVINA COMMENDING RONALD J. DIEZSI FOR -HIS OUTSTANDINGISERVICE TO THE CITY" Mayor Snyder;-... Hearing no objections,, -.we will waive further_ reading of the body of the resolution. Motion by -Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, that said resolution be adopted, Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes-. Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder. Noes. None Absent-. None Said resolution was given No. 3091, WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS SCHLANGER,SIGN City Clerk, Mr,, Flotten: We have a letter from Mr. Shapiro of Gendel, Roskoff, Shapiro and Quittner, attorneys for J. J. Schlanger requesting rehearing of application for extension of time for non -conforming sign. This is Variance No,, 425, Revision 1. You also have a memo from the City Manager on this matter. Councilman Heath. I feel there has been ample notification. The hearing has been closed and I don't see how we could reopen it again at this late date and I feel it is very unfortunate that the applicants could not see fit to be here when this was before us but,I feel we would have to go on as we are proceeding now and I don't see how we can go back to another hearing. Move that the City Clerk write a letter to Mra Schlanger advising him that we have taken due procedures as..set up in our ordinance, the public hearing has been held, proper notification has been given, and we are unable now to reopen the,hearing or set it for a new hearing unless he reapplies. ti. [I 0 • 6 C. C. 2/l/65 'SCHLANGER SIGN ® Continued Councilman Jett: Page Seven I assume copies would be sent to Mr. Shapiro and also Mrs,, Curtis? Councilman Heath: I will so amend my motion. Action on Councilman Heath's motion: Seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried. WATER WHEEL RESTAURANT City Clerk, Mr,, Flotten: Cianchetti* Jr, regarding the Water status of ABC application. Councilman Heath: Mr,, Sam Cianchetti 1502 Service Avenue West Covina You have a letter dated January 25, 1965 from Sam Wheel'Restaurant relative to I would like to hear from the writer of this letter, I would like to explain the background not only of the subject matter of the letter but the letter itself so in light of that perhaps you can appreciate some of the problems Mr. Lotito is having, The dance permit was operating on for the -calendar year 1964 expired on December 319 1964, Business licenses for the City of West Covina expire on the 31st of January. It was Mr. Lotito's understanding, though wrong and incorrect, that the dance permit would be in effect until the 31st of January. As a matter of fact, apparently that has created somewhat of a problem in the past. Chief Sill told me that both expiration dates now coincide so there would be no problems like this in the future. On January 22, 1965 Mr, Lotito wa.s contacted by Chief Sill and informed that his permit had expired and he was in violation of the City code. Immediately then he ceased the dancing and on the 25th wrote a letter to the Council and the Council considered the.letter that evening and extended or granted an interim dance permit effective to this evening, At the same time there was being conducted a hearing by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control on the 25th and 26th of January, The hearing was concluded on January 260 Mr, Flynn, who was the attorney representing Mr, Lotito at that hearing* informs me that it will be six to eight weeks before there is a finding which is rendered by the Hearing Officer, that finding coming from Sacramento and some order made by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. It would appear to me the City has perhaps three alternatives, The City could deny the request for any.extensiori of the interim permit he is operating on now. Secondly*,after receiving the call from Chief Sill on the 22nd of January l immediately contacted Mr, Flotten in the City Clerk's Office and he informed me at that time by virtue of the very heavy agenda you had for your last meeting that it would be impossible to have a formal hearing before the City Council pursuant to the require- ments of 4111,1 of the new code, He informed me the first hearing we could get would be February 8, I think the second alternative would be to extend the present interim license until February 8 and have a formal hearing before the Council at that time, n i 11 C, C, 2/1/65 WATER "WHI'EL RESTAURANT Continued Page Eight The third alternative would be to continue the interim license to a date approximately, around the first of April when there would,be a set of findings rendered by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control presumably and those findings could be made available to the City along with testimony of both the parties involved and the City make a decision on that basis, With respect to the latter I think that is the best choice because it is my understanding that the allegations made before the Department of A,B,C, are exactly the same as those -reasons why Chief Sill denied the renewal of the dance permit..and I think since there has been an -extensive amount of ...testimony taken over a two-day period it might shorten.considerably, the length of the hearing before the City Council, I would gladly answer any questions that you might have at this time, Councilman Jett: Will Mr, Lotito be permitted to continue doing business during this period he is waiting for an.answer from the A,B.C,? Mr, Sam Cianchetti: Councilman Heath: April 1st that it be conditioned to the withdraw this permission at any time'in from the.Chief of Police, I think this Yes. I would feel that if this extension is granted until extent that the Council may the case of a recommendation is only fair, Mr, Sam Cianchetti: Mr, Lotito was granted a business license and with respect to the dance permit itself there are two basic sections, Section .41120 which spells out all the requirements that an applicant must meet"at the -time he is applying for a dance permit, and Section 4113, which spells out all of the kinds of conduct which are prohibited once the dance permit is granted, I donut think there is one single violation, Councilman Heath: You would have no objection to having this dance license issued on the condition that it can be withdrawn any time up until April 1st on the recommendation of the Chief of'Police? Mr, Sam Cianchetti: I would to this extent. I would like the opportunity at the time there is a recommendation by the Chief to provide at least some notice so we can come.before the Council and air our grievance at that time, Councilman Krieger: We vest the initial authority in our Police Chief to make the determination whether or not such a permit will be granted and then we give to the agrieved party, if he is an agrieved party, the right to appeal to the City Council from an adverse determination of the Police Chief, I am assuming that the Police Chief had substantive grounds upon which to deny the permit, Therefore, I don't see where our decision is predicated in the slightest upon the ultimate determination of the A,B,C, Board, We are certainly not bound by their decision as it may pertain to the license of this establishment, 8 • M C, C, 2/I/65 Page Nine ;ATER WHEEL RESTAURANT Continued I assume we have our own criteria'set forth in the code as to when a permit will be granted and when it may be revoked,, I am assuming the Police Chief had full cognizance of these two sections when he decided not to renew the permit,, Therefore, it seems to me that if this is an appeal from an adverse decision'from the determination made by the Police Chief it should be based on the merits as they were presented and are within the knowledge of the -Police Chief and not based upon the merits or lack of merits of the revocation of the license as it may pertain to the A',,B,,C, Board, Mayor Snyder: I would agree with you,, Councilman Heath: What are the grounds that the Chief of Police would withdraw this dance permit? Police Chief Sill: (Read Section 4111,1 of the Code,) I had specific reasons for not renewing this license and they have been set forth in my memorandums to this City Council,, I have not changed my mind. At the last Council meeting I agreed to an extension of the operation of the dance permit because of this differentiation between the expiration of the business license and the dance license,, I have no objections to readjusting the expiration date of the dance license and we have done so and they will, in the future, expire on January 31st,, I stand before you unalterably opposed to the issuance of a cabaret dance permit at this location because it has been and if a hearing is required we will show that this -place -has been a.police problem and so great a police problem that the A,B,C,, initiated this action to revoke their A,BoC,, license,, There is no connection between the issuance of a cabaret license and ..the.revocation of an A.B.C. license,, They are two separate items entirely. I am perfectly willing to come before you again with witnesses on a hearing if Mr. Cianchetti and Mr. Lotito would care, to but as of now I am opposed to the continuation of their license,, Councilman Heath: The license has been reinstated for a short period of time up until last night,, During this time have you had any police calls or trouble in that spot? Police Chief Sill: No. Councilman Heath: I can then assume that this man can and may very well readily run a business which.can be an asset to the community and not a problem to.the community. I.feel sometimes all of us do something we shouldn't and I don't think we should be penalized "forever. I made the suggestion before that this license be reinstated with the condition that should this establishment end up the way'it was before that this license be revoked immediately at that time,, Councilman Jett: I can't help but to go along with your thinking on this, I think Mr, Lotito is sincerely making an effort to conduct a business in accordance with our rules and regulations and I think it is the duty and responsibility of the City Council to try to determine these things based on not only rigid rule but what we feel might be to the best interest to the City and to the inhabitants i C, C, 2/l/65 Page Ten WATERWHEEL RESTAURANT ®Continued • of the City, There is another establishment in the City that has been brought to my attention that I understand is probably in violation4 if not even more than what this establishment has been and they are still doing business and I don't know if they have had any trouble with the law but I do think to single this one person out and try to cause him all this trouble, try to'put him out of business, I just cannot go along with it, I realize we must support our Chief of Police and accept his decisions in just about every cases However, there are times when the Council has to make its own decision, This is.one of those.times, I feel, .Mayor Snyder: I think the issue boils down to this: Chief Sill has decided ..not -to reissue the dance permit, If these people apply for a hearing on this matter,. the adverse decision of the Chief, can we continue their dance permit until that hearing? I'personally think we should do this but I do feel we are going to have to hear both .sides of the .argument and the evidence at a proper hearing before we can make a _final decision, Mr, Sam Cianchetti: An application for a hearing has been made and it has been .scheduled for the 8th of February, The only reason I raised the issue • with.respect.to the A,B,C, is that I would estimate conservatively -® Chief Sill has indicated in the complaint that was filed there are some 20 separate instances in which testimony would have to be taken. I presume he will use basically the same testimony, That nearing took two days before the A,B,C, Councilman Krieger: I don't think if we decide this off the top of our hat this way we are either supporting or not supporting the Chief, All we are doing is making a mockery of those whole system, If the Chief has facts to support his decision the time and place will be set for him to present those facts. If the appellant feels they have been denied a right then let's give them the hearing but if we are going to approach this simply that' -they have been a good boy for the last week and give them a permit, let's not set up an appeal system, let's say any time you disagree with the decision below come to us and we will slap you on the wrist and let you go on your way, Mayor Snyder: I think we have to decide whether or not we are going to let them operate this week, Should they be able to_produce evdence.to show they are entitled -to a dance permit then you could do them quite a bit of damage by not allowing them to.operate this, week and I don't see any harm in allowing one more week until the hearing, Councilman Heath: In reading the ordinance it says the Chief of Police issues the permit for operation and it does not say the Chief of Police can withdraw this permit, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The permit is good for one year, Then it has to be renewed and it is then a new permit, ®10- • • [�l C. Ca 2/l/65 WATER WHEEL RESTAURANT m Continued Page Eleven Councilman Heath: I would interpret this as saying the Chief can give a permit and it should not be revoked until the City Council revokes it and before it can be revoked there should be a public hearingo Councilman Krieger. We amended ,this very ordinance about a month ago in which we gave the aggrieved party the right to appeal to the City Council a decision given by the Chief of Police, Councilman -Nichols: It would be my strong recommenda- tion that.this.Council reschedule the hearing as set to an evening when that hearing may be the exclusive business of this Council. To add that hearing into a full schedule on a regular Council meeting night makes a travesty of any effort to hold a hearing and makes a mockery of the other items scheduled for the Council. Mayor Snyder: Does Mr,, Sill have to bring in witnesses? His report is our information, isn't it? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I believe the Chief of Police can deny a permit and the applicant has the right to appeal. The right to appeal is the applicant has to prove the point that he is being treated unjustly or he was not given a square evaluation and it is his responsibility to prove.that-to the Councilo Mayor Snyder: The burden of the evidence is on the applicant. Councilman Heath: I would take a different stand on it. You are saying he is guilty until he is proven innocento I think the proof would be the burden of the objecting force in this case. Mayor Snyder: I think we should follow Mr. Nichols' suggestion and set this for another night,, Councilman Nichols: It seems to me that in a matter of this nature that where government.exerts a restrictive authority over a citizen and the exercise of that authority works an economic hardship or any .manner of hardship upon the citizen the government has a clear responsibility to protect the rights of'that citizen at the same time they may be instituting procedures'to so restrict that citizen and certainly I think when a permit is,withdrawn or there is a refusal to issue a permit that this, in effect, is an accusation by the .government that this citizen is in some form or another guilty of some type of conduct that is not a normal or acceptable type of conduct. I think it is like an accusation against that citizen and I react that when there is an appeal to an administrative decision I have to accept the thesis that the citizen is entitled to be considered to be acting in a proper manner until such time as it is demonstrated conclusively to me in that hearing that he is not so acting and I think to refuse to allow him to operate his business until the time of that hearing is punishing him before a determination of wrong -doing. -llm s N C. C. 2/l/65 Page Twelve 11ATER WHEEL RESTAURANT Continued. • Councilman Krieger: The fact remains that this is an economic hardship at best upon the applicant. Every time we get a zoning matter before us it represents an economic hardship; an unclassified use permit represents an economic hardship; a variance, the same. This is not criminal; this isn't quasi -criminal; this is strictly within our function and the function of the Police Department administratively. As far as the -hearing itself ....is concerned, we have..people appeal all the"time from the decisions of the Planning Commission and they come before us and the law says it..is a hearing de novo,'meaning you start all over again. That is .....all.we-are doing here. The Police Department in this instance is in.the same position that the Planning Commission would have been in.the.instance where we are talking about zoning,,variances, et cetera.. The appellant here is the same as the appellant when he brings a matter before us from the.Planning Commission. Councilman, --,.'Heath,,,. I think there is a.diff.erence. The application for.; ac; zone change and unclassified use permit is an application to do,something. In this case we are talking.about-a hearing to deny something that has already.been established. • Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, to hold a hearing on this matter on Tuesday, February 16, 1965 at eight o'clock in the Council chambers,, I Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, that James Lotito, representing Jim's Water Wheel Inn be permitted to operate under a temporary dance permit until a decision from this Council at the outcome of the hearing to be held on February 16, 1965. (Councilman Krieger voted "No",,) JOINT SESSION WITH HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Present-. Chairman Shrader, Commissioners Solder, Macsurak, Goldstein, Beem Others Present: Mr. Raymond Windsor, Administrative.Analyst Mayor Snyder: I think we are about due to have a progress report from the Commission. Secondly, any suggestions you might have..for bettering the functions and the purposes of the Commission and any questions the Council might have will also be discussed tonight. Chairman Shrader: I hadn't expected to give progress report but I will try to recall as much as I n- can. Our first order of business was a list of concerns brought to us by citizens of West Covina and we designated these Areas I and II, concerning housing. We had a great deal of discussion on these two matters. Several of our meetings were well attended. We have had oral reports from several members of the effected areas and they have stated most emphatically that -12- 0 CQ C, 2/1/65 Page Thirteen 'JCiI'NT MEETING WITH HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued the conditions which were first expressed in the list of concerns have not completely stabilized but have been moderated a great deal,, We are continuing our work with these two areas Just lately we brought up this business of the Nazi Party attempting to establish a headquarters in the.San Gabriel Valley, more specificallyg'Covina. The matter was brought before the Commission,, The Commissioners were unified in their approval of a resolution and a recommendation to you and since the approval of.the recommendation and the ensuing publicity from the Sentinel, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune,'and by word-of-mouth, I have received a great deal of phone calls and several visits to my office concerning this situation. For examples the work of the Commission has reached Washington. A leader in the Democratic Party called me and said he had just returned from Washington and they had discussed our situation with Representative Cameron and the possibility of presenting our action in the Minutes of the'House of Unamerican Activities Committee,, Also, the Mayor of Glendale was with this gentleman and commented on the positive approach to this matter,, I have had offers of money from people who want to donate to any organization or movement.that you as a City Council would want to inaugurate to combat the Nazi movement in establishing headquarters in West Covina,, The interest is there and I would suspect you will have quite a turn -out of interested citizens at the meeting of the 8th where we are -scheduled to formally present our recommendation to you,, Also in our discussions we have recommended to you as a City Council to authorize us to form an advisory council to the Commission. You have a rough draft and I suggest that it is a rough draft and needs editing. I think you would realize that as five members it is rather difficult to carry on all the potential activities which would be implied in the activates of such an organization,, You are all aware that you did not give us any money, I am firmly convinced, gentlemen, that you made the correct decision for the betterment of the City in forming,this Commission. I think you did a great thing here,, I know it wasn't unanimous but I think in retrospect some of you who may have`had reservations about forming a Commission I would hope because of the positive success -® I think I can call it success without qualification ®® of the Commission to date that maybe some of the reservations you may have had would be remunerated at this time,, We do need facilities and money, a minimum amount to carry on our activities,, Secondlya' I would like. .....to ask you to give favorable,consideration to our request for. -the formation of an advisory council of interested citizens within the criteria set up by the recommendation,.. Councilman Jett- You made reference to two things where there are questions in my mind,, One of them is as to the success of the Commission,, Would you brief.me a little bit, what do you mean by_"success"? Chairman Shrader- By the word "success" I don't mean.a completion of any project or activity,, I mean success in approaching a reasonable solution to concerns to date,, I consider that a success to.date but not a completion,, I am speaking specifically of the housing situation -13- C. Co 2/1/65 Page Fourteen J'OhNT MEETING WITH 'HUMAN RELATTONS *COMMTS'SION Continued • and the list of concerns resented to the -Commission and how they Y were aired publicly,and how the testimony was voted upon and how the action of the Commission was carried out in recommendations to the Council and also in recommendations to the Commission itself to further pursue the mattero Councilman Jett: Have you had any indication that there is a problem that exists that you would be unable to solve? Chairman Shrader: No, I haven't had that much of a negative point of view from anyone and that to me is very encouraging. I presented some information to the Commission at the last meeting concerning..my visit to.the Covina Valley Realty Board and they offered their wholehearted cooperation to the City and to the Commission in any problem which may confront the Commission and the City in regards to human relations. Mayor Snyder: have to be geniuses to come up with think if they can say they have made situation and changing some people's . great deal of progress. I think a commission of this nature has no power and would.. solving all of the problems, I progress toward clarifying the attitudes they have made a Chairman Shrader: I would consider progress as one citizen said at our last meeting, there has been stabilization since the hearing, and I consider that progress but I don't consider it a victory as such. Councilman Heath: That definitely is progress and I think it is commendable that this has at least been stabilized. Have you had any grievance, let's say, concerning any individual or has this been a general condition? Chairman Shrader: Only an implied grievances an implied grievance by a broker, Mr. Jackson, from Los Angeles. He made a statement that he did not receive in the vernacular of a teenager, a "fair shake" from the realtors of the Valley. In my meeting with Mr. Travis I made this a•very pointed question and his responses are all in the Minutes of the last Human Relations Commission meeting where it was very specific and to the point and without evasion the question was answered to my satisfaction and if Mr. Jackson had complied with all the reasonable rules and regulations of the Realty Board he would have received admittance, Councilman Heath: 'I understand that these problems that we talked about of Area.I and II were definitely problems in the City and I believe if I read it right were caused mainly by elements outside the City, My question would be in light of'the minimum amount of.grievance that you have had and the minimum amount of complaints.you have had, wouldn't you say that the citizens of West Covina are working harmoniously in human relations since there is no grievance up against -an individual or grievance against a group in the ICity9.that the`.people.are working in harmony? -14® u • I C, 'C, ' 2/l/65 Page Fifteen 'JOINT MEETING. WITH HUMAN REL,ATTO'NS COMMISSION - Continued. Chairman Shradero I only take exception with one thing you said and that is .all grievances have not been brought by individuals before the Commission, We have heard grievances from people within those areas and I do think on both points of view and we had it in the form of testimony, These people did not instigate the grievance as it was formally introduced but as the proceedings progressed they took part which added validity to the term "grievances", I do think there were _and.are grievances that have not been brought formally to the Commission but because they were brought to the Commission by a few a lot of people ..had their grievances aired in their stead, Councilman Heath: Was this "grievance" between individuals within our own City or was it due to a grievance against some action done by someone outside of our City? Chairman Shradero That has not been finally determined. My own opinion is that I have a feeling based on the testimony I have been able to examine that the majority of it came from outside but I do not say all of it, Councilman Heath: You stated that we hadn" t given you any money. I think there has been a minimum amount appropriated, Chairman Shradero I meant formally in the budget, Councilman Heath: What kind of money are we talking about? Chairman Shradero I canet answer that. I would have to defer to Mr, Windsor or Mr, Aiassa, I have no idea what the total cost has been to date, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I am relying on Mr, Windsor°s report, (Read memo re this matter,) Mayor Snyder: Every other Commission in the City has a staff man who gathers that necessary data for them that these unpaid volunteers do4t have time to gather for themselves, It is necessary they.have somebody available to them from the staff for this purpose, I think we have to continue if this Commission is going to operate efficiently at all we have to continue to give them staff help. If you will break it down.to dollars and cents a month perhaps we can.put this in the budget, Councilman Jett: How much of his time is devoted to work for the City Council? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I would have to.work that out, Councilman Jett: Could you make a report for us establishing something like the Planning Director has, just,where he spends his time? -15- • E 'C. CQ 2/l/65 Page Sixteen JOITT MEETING WITH HUMAN RFLATTONS COMMISSION. Continued Councilman Krieger: In setting up a budget for the Human Relations Commission why are we taking consideration of Mr. Windsor's time? Mayor Snyder: We have a new policy in the City where they charge each man's hours to the project he is on, City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: This is an experiment and the Council requested me to keep a tab on what we are spending.. Ray Windsor has been working more in this particular line. Once this Commission get's-rolling and it gets to be.a routine operation a lot of this expensive time will not be as heavy. We tried.to run this experiment to see exactly what it would cost. Councilman Jett: City Managers Mr. Aiassa: Mayor Snyder: Councilman Jett: Isn't Mr. Windsor's position as Administrative Analyst? Yes. We only need a request that the City Manager supply staff to the Commission. This may satisfy you but it will not satisfy me. Mayor Snyder: It seems to me the issue is not how much Mr. Windsor is spending on the City Council and how much time on this. The issue is the budget for the Human Relations Commission. Councilman Heath: I think his time has to be charged to the work he is doing because this is in line with all the other charges in the City. I would like to know in money what are we talking about in budget? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: If we keep the pace we are going now in supplies and recording secretary we are talking about $700 and in staff time it would be roughtly $1200 or $1500 a year. .Mayor Snyder: You are going to deduct that staff time you•are applying to the Human Relations Commission from where it was formally applied? City Managerfl Mr. Aiassa: We have a very limited space as far as administration is concerned. It would be warranted for us to hire.a part-time typist to relieve Mr. Windsor from a lot of this paper work. Mayor Snyder: I object to moving these hours over into the Human Relations budget with the inference what the Human Relations Commission is costing the.City without a showing that you are reducing this amount in the budget from which you are removing that man. In other words9 it is not costing the City that much more. r -016® • C, 'C., 2/l/65 Page Seventeen "JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.-, If the Council determines to have a Human Relations Commission or any commission it is their authority and their right to demand administrative service to it, The limitation of my manpower and my capacity to produce is going to depend on how much time you are going to demand from it, Eventually somewhere along the line we will need relief, I think our Human Relations Commission has tried to work with us in their time schedule, Councilman Heath: May we have a report on the hours spent by Mr. Windsor in the.past six months on each classification of duties? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Yes, Councilman -Heath: It is true they have to have money to work on, I see your point, Mayor, that if there is $1500 appropriated here it should be taken out of some budget and since he is in the City Manager's budget it will be taken out of one budget and put into the other, Motion by Councilman.Heath, seconded by Councilman Krieger, to appropriate $100.00 for supplies out of the General Reserve for the remainder of • the fiscal year for the Human Relations Commission, Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Krieger, Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes: Councilman Jett Absent: None Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Krieger, to budget -an item of $200,00 out of the General Reserve for'stenographic help for the Human.Relations Commission (Minutes taking) for the balance of the fiscal year,, Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Krieger, Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes: Councilman Jett Absent: None Councilman Heaths What administrative time do you need? City Managers Mr, Aiassa: I think if you give me'about $250.00 for part-time clerical help it would be sufficient. I can't rebudget Mr. Windsor's salary,_ I am talking now where I can relieve Mr. Windsor by bringing in part-time clerical help, Councilman Heath: City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I am not in favor of that,, I am talking about taking it out of.•the pool, Councilman Jett: These are things that will be brought in for the benefit of the people outside of the City. -not for the people in West Covina, -17- • • Ca C , 2/l/65 Page Eighteen JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION -,Continued Mayor Snyder: They are related.ta'matters within the City,, City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Right now the girls in my office have been trying to.proeess the Human Relations.Commission°s work,, We feel the Human Relations Commission and their activities are urgent,, If you set this money up we are not just going to go out and spend it. We will control it as much as possible. Councilman Heath: I think if a man works on the project that he should allot his time to that specific project.so we donQt finagle funds around. If you think you need the money, we will give it to you. Move to budget out of the General Reserve $250.00 for staff time to be used in conjunction with the Human Relations Commission for the balance of this fiscal year,, Councilman Krieger: Mr. Windsor is presently on the payroll of this City,, We are paying out certain funds,, If you were going to say that $250.00 of his paycheck is now coming out of General Fund, meaning unallocated funds, it means someplace else there is a fund that should be credited with $250,00. Councilman Heath: This is quite true but in this other fund you are talking about -- if he doesn't spend the money in that fund it goes back into the General Reserve at the end of the year,, Councilman Krieger: What if the total of $250.00 worth of time is used up in the balance of the fiscal year? That doesn't mean that Mr. Windsor all of a sudden has a boon where he gets paid what he is going to get paid plus $250,,00; it means there is a contra item between two acounts so this $250.00 is not an additional expenditure to the City,, Councilman Heath: That/ s right,, City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Right now we have budgeted a specific amount of relief help,, This help is charged to the department that uses it so each department carries its own cost.for that extra help. Action on Councilman Heath9s motion: Seconded by Councilmani Krieger. Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Kriegert Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes: Councilman Jett Absent: None Councilman Heath: 'On the report concerning the time that Mr', Windsor is allocating to each position, can we have that in a week, please? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I think.we can do it in. ,a week, sta Co Ca 2/1/65 Page..Nineteen JGINT'MEETING WITH THE HLiMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued • Mayor Snyder-. Should events make it necessary for the Human Relations.Commission to become busy it would be incumbent for them to see the expenses .ahead and they should ask for more money if they think it.is necessary. Chairman Shrader-. If we feel a project is necessary and in our judgement would comply with the budget we would not have to seek clearance from you people? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa-. That's right. Commissioner Goldstein: everything ready for us right when we we have taken our own time to comment I think this should be something that the City Manager, also. Councilman Jett: Mr. Windsor is an excellent administrative man. He has what it. This is one thing on each and individually and the Council should know about and Let the record show that this is a better job than what Mr. Windsor.is :doing for Councilman Jett, Mayor Snyder: We have a request here for a resolution setting up a .Human Relations Council. My interpretation of the resolution forming the Human Relations Commission is that you had this power without asking us but perhaps the rest of the Council feels differently. Chairman Shrader-. I had reservations in reading the original Council resolution whether or not we had this power and in bringing it up before the Commission there was some doubt so we threw it right back into your laps to see if we do. Mayor Snyder-. Do you feel this falls under the directive to instigate activities? Chairman Shrader-. The only reason it is back before you and we agreed upon this as a unified Commission that if we are going to represent you as advisors to you you as the right hand should know what the left hand is doing. As a result we would like your counsel on the formation of this advisory council because in our view it is an extr.emely..important step to the Human Relations Commission.and the. successful pursuit of the Commission. Councilman Heath-. I have to state in this case that I am not in agreement with an advisory council for an advisory council. We have certain commissions that are set up such as Planning, Recreation and Parks, Personnel, which are advisory groups to us and they are given this. responsibility because they are to give us this advice. Now to have an advisory group for an advisory group for an advisory group is ridiculous. We don°t have it for the Planning Commission, the Personnel Board, the Parks and Recreation Commission and I think the only thing we are going to do by this, with all due respect to the person who conceived the idea, I think it is doing nothing more than • C1 Ca C. 2/1/65 Page Twenty .... ......................... JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISS'I"ON Continued. setting up a mechinism to make a federal case out of everything that comes up because the more people getting onto the thing the more it will be complicated. Mayor Snyder: a body that was set up to instigate and to attempt to settle them so it Council and all the literature that advisory councils. The County Human advisory councilo Councilman Heath: of the governing body or without body I don't think is legal. I for the City and I think before by this group that it would have stand by.this Council. If this to set policy$ et cetera$ issue an advisory group. Mayor Snyder: The Human Relations Commission is not an advisory body. It is better relations and hear grievances is not an advisory body to the I have seen recommends these Relation Commission has an A Commission who has authority to operate without.the consent the policy setting by the government think this,Council establishes policy any policy or any stand can be taken to be given permission to take that group is not delegated this authority orders for things to be done, it is They are delegated the authority to initiate activities to further human relations. Councilman Krieger: The point is this: The Human Relations Commission is unique. Even if it weren't unique I am amazed to hear that these other commissions.that we have are so self-sufficient. If that is true why did we hire Gold -Thompson for Personnel. If that is true, why did we hire Victor Gruen$ D.M.J.M,, and why do we continually hire these experts in the field? These are for advisory purposes. In this instance it seems to me that it is a unanimous action of the very people we represented -m they said they need help -m they come to us and suggest a way they can get help at no cost to the City and it seems to me it has a meritorious purpose and legitimate objective. I can't see why it is such a bone of contention. Councilman Heath: We hired Victor Gruen$ D•M•J•M•$ et cetera, who are experts in the field in which they were making a study. Even so we didn't listen_ to them. The advisory group being requested here is a group of lay people who are not professional people and should they need some study made by a professional group I would be willing to go along with it but this request.here is for an advisory group of lay people who are not experts in anything. Councilman Krieger: In my opinion anybody that belongs to a community organization is an expert in human relations. Mayor Snyder: Who is an expert in human relations if it isn't these people? Councilman Jett: D.MoJ.M, and all these various organizations that you referred to that we had hired for advice, the final decision rested with the Council, not with the Planning Commission or the Parks and Recreation -20- • Co Co 2/1165 Page Twenty -One JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ,Continued.. Commission, but the final decision came to the City Council so we had complete control of it,, Councilman Nichols.- Was this recommendation a unanimous recommendation that the Council authorize the creation of this.advisory group? Chairman Shrader.- Yes, it was unanimous,, I don't think it would be fair to compare our -Commission with any other commission because of its uniqueness,, Councilman Jett; Do you feel that you yourselves are not qualified to listen to this information that is going to be presented and make a decision? Chairman Shrader: I feel I am qualified to listen to any testimony and information and make a judgement but if I were qualified to make a honest answer on all subjects I would be Jesus Christ,, What I am trying to say, these are unique problems that come up,, Councilman Nichols.- I think there is a better answer 0 to the needs of this Commission than expressed here in this request and I don't favor the establishment personally of the advisory council in the form as it is submitted here. However, it was suggested by Mro Shrader that this was a rough draft. Let me offer a suggestion. I think sometimes we have already built-in mechanisms in our Community that we don't use. We go off and form more committees and more commissions when the mechanics are already present for that,, We have in the City of West Covina a Coordinating Council,, It is set up to work in the community. It is set up and has representation from many diverse organizations in the community,, It invites membership from all members of the community interested in all types of community activities, coordinating the will of this community in all kinds of service areas. It seems to me the West Covina Coordinating Council already exists and is an ideal initial advisory council that might serve the needs of this Human Relations Commission,, My suggestion would be that the Commission attempt initially to work with the West Covina Coordinating Council asking them to help in an advisory capacity and see if that meets the needs of the Commission as you conceive it. If it doesn't perhaps you could demonstrate to me the need for specialized service elsewhere but I happened to -attend the meetings of the Coordinating Council and I know its complexion and I know its interest _in the community and I know its availability,, Councilman Jett.- I think your Coordinating Council is made up of members of various organizations throughout the community and you have a pretty good cross section viewpoint there. I can't help but feel ®® and I am unalterably opposed to this Human Relations Commission and I think it is very well known and I don't think it is accomplishing any purpose and I don't know of any problem in this City whatsoever that we need anything like this for,, -21- a C,, Cc 2llr65 Page Twenty -Two 'JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued. Mayor Snyder, I think the Coordinating Council may have value but in the first place you have to find out if they would accept this,, Secondly, how are the people appointed to the Coordinating Council? Councilman Nichols- Exactly on the same basis on which this will be drafted here,, Commissioner Goldstein- Our second paragraph here says exactly what he is saying, it says that the membership of the advisory council shall consist of one representative from selected.community organizations in the City of West.Covina whose purpose shall be to advise and consult. We wrote' it.exactly like that because'we were going to look through our list of.community organizations and see who would have an interest in that particular area and the Coordinating Council was one of our main objectives as would be the Ministerial Association,, Councilman Nichols: The Coordinating Council has representation from.all of the other organizations,, Commissioner Solder- But it may not be a truly representative body because there may be other'.organizations within the City which would be of interest to our Commission,, Councilman Heath- All of the organizations I know in the City have.been invited to be a member of the Coordinating Council,, Councilman Jett- I happened to have attended the Human Relations Commission the other night when they were discussing this very resolution. There was a question that came up about a member being appointed to this council that would be a member of an organization that wasn't even within the City of West Covina With'this in mind, I think the majority of the Coordinating Council are made up of organizations within the City,, I don't think any member of this Council would -recommend we go outside of the City,, Mayor Snyder- Their resolution doesn't mention this,, Councilman Jett- One of the discussions at that meeting was this: They „ would like to appoint a member from the.West 'Covina ® La Puente Human Relations committee These are people belonging to that who are not residents of the City of West Covina,, Commissioner Solder- Some members are residents of this City Chairman Shrader; Mr,, Jett is correct in what he is saying,, However, we didn't incorporate it in our motion because we felt this was in conflict of interest,, The question for better clarification was a West Covina organization has a member who is not a resident of the City, could that member legally represent that organization which is officially within the City and that is the way the discussion went,, I. C, C, ' 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Three JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ®'Continued Commissioner Goldstein: I think our Commission is doing a very valid service for the City and I think we have made progress in a very difficult field. There are.many commissions throughout the United States and.many.of them have advisory councils and the reason it is important is that we have a small commission,, The Los Angeles County Commission has 25 members,.permanent members and they have different,groups they call on from time to time,, This is a unanimous idea that where you make progress is dissemination of information among interested people,, This can best be done by those knowing what they are doing in this field in particular areas of the City in particular problems,, We don't think we should be limited in just going to the Coordinating Council,, They have many other things they are interested in,, We want the churches, the Chamber of Commerce, the schools, all other interested groups who may have information for us or that we may be able to pass on informs® ..tion.to or problems that they can relate to their individual memebers, .In this way the discussion among the community is wide -spread as possible and this`is why we make progress in this field$ information and people hearing about it,, We had a meeting where at least 50 people spoke and they had varied opinions but as a result of this information and this forum of public opinion and having each other's opinions, they got closer together,, Since that time we think there has been more harmonious progress in these particular areas. We ask you give us this chance to do it and I think you will find if you have these people working on our team they are going to do good,, Councilman Nichols: I don't agree. I don't think we should move this far this fast and open this up to a broad based community organization authorizing just an organization to appoint somebody,, I think it is the surest way to let this Commission get completely out of hand to do more damage to the work of,this Commission than you can possibly imagine,, Commissioner Macsurak: The question asked by Councilman Nichols was about the unanimous decision of the Human Relations Commission to do this thing,, I think it was the unanimous.decision of the Human Relations Commission to present.this to the City Council but I think the Human Relations Commission itself still has a problem of its own to discuss about this, I believe this was voted on last Thursday night and I wasn't there, Councilman Krieger: How would you have voted on it? Commissioner Macsurak: It was the unanimous decision that something be put together to present when we met with the City Council, The resolution presents an opinion to the City Council that it was not meant to do in the first place, Mayor Snyder: Commissioner Macsurak: Then you would have voted "No" about the adoption of the resolution? Without ,.first presenting it to the City Council9.yes9.:,.I would have voted "No",, -23- • I G,, C,, 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Four "JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS.COMMISSIGN - Continued Councilman Heath. - Commissioner Macsurak.- decide on how to form one,, I to present to the City Council the City Council's prerogative cannot do it",, If it was our would do with it,, Are you in favor of forming an advisory group? I can't really answer that because we weren't able to think this resolution is just a proposal for their consideration if it would be to say "Yess you can do it" or "No$ you own prerogative I don't know what we Mayor Snyder.- In reading this resolution it has a definite plan for the forming of a council,, Commissioner Macsurak.- As far as I am concerned that is a mistaken opiniono We.discussed this many times at our meetings and we were unable to .come to a conclusion first of all as to how to set it up and.seeondly of whether we can set it up or not. I don't know how I would vote on it right now. I don't think the Commission itself has cured as many .problems as it has been shown to the Commission that possibly -.we have done or considered as many,, We have had one letter by.a Mr. Jordan that we discussed for many months and this is a minority opinion that I am giving right now -- most of the charges made in this letter were discussed over and over and looked into and found to be lacking. in fact by the majority of the members of the Commission and the only other thing that has really come before the Commission is the question last month about the Nazi Party,, We have't had any other complaints,, Mayor Snyder. - I don't think you should expect to cure all problems. You can only hope to make progress,, Councilman Jett.- In your opinion there has been no real serious problem as yet presented to the Human Relations Commission? Commissioner Macsurak.- No individual has brought a complaint to us against another 'individual,, Councilman Jett.- An accusation against a group? Commissioner Macsurak.- This was not an accusation; this was a very general statement of conditions existing in the City such as streets being swept,, It was thought the streets weren't being properly swept. It was possibly thought that the schools were segregating children. It was possibly thought the garbage collectors were dumping garbage in the streets; they weren't keeping this community as clean as they would some other community when they picked up the garbage. There were probable complaints against realty practices,, Commissioner Beem.- There are five entitled we have checked off and proven that there was no These are extracts of concerns presented by"Albert Jordan,, (1) Environments; (2) Schools,, Those two we had a man come from the schools and it was problem there whatsoever,, In the environment -24- i Ca CQ 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Five JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued as far as keeping the streets clean, we have all come to a fair conclusion that this is probably done all over -the City. .(3), which we.have not gotten into because we have taken so much time on the others, is race relations. (4) Employment. We haven't discussed that either. (5) Housing. Those were the five points.brought out by Mr. Jordan. He is the sole complainant of anything that has come to our Commission in writing. We have open discussions and many people ..have spoken. I don'.t think this has ever been registered as a definite complaint on one specific item. Chairman Shradera On the housing it came properly before us. Commissioner Beemo This was the only complaint that we have had to date, in writing. This has taken up all of our time. Mr. Shrader brought Up the Nazi situation the other night and that, to me, was the second major step that we have been working on. That again is something we can just give to you gentlemen. This is just a proclamation that we would like you to accept and publicize. We don't have power of subpoena, anything to do anything but to arbitrate. All we are to do is sit here and listen to any and all complaints that have been filed through writing to us first. The way it was set up here in • No. D of.purposes in our resolution, it was to keep the Council informed on all problems of local inter®group relations brought to the attention of the Commission. This is what we are doing'now. As far as the advisory council is concerned, I think all the Commissioners here will agree we have had pros and cons on this within our own body itself. There are many things I didn't agree with. I did finally in the stabilization of this last form which was presented to you gentlemen I did go along with this. We had it presented to us by Mr. Goldstein which was rather lengthy and we tried to cut it down and it was lengthy in the amount of people that he wanted himself- however, I disagreed and some of us finally whittled it down so we came out with what you see before you. I am not definitely sold on the fact that we need an advisory council. I did vote ','Yes" on it because I felt that it would assist us. We are pretty green in anything we do. The reason we are coming back to you with these problems is because we really don't have any more authority to go any farther than we have gone. We need to know what is expected of us and just exactly what we are limited to do and the procedures other than what is set up in this Resolution No,, 2962. We want to know what exactly we are limited in and how far we should go. We have sent letters out to the people in these two areas to invite any complaint that may be in that area. I don't think we should go out looking for it. I think if there is anything wrong in the City it will come to us. This letter as it is drafted here we were all going to sign this to give them a personal touch and this is to bring them In to us if they are in a position to give a complaint. My own personal opinion in this Commission is if we don't receive complaints from this particular letter I personally think that this Commission is void. I don't see any reason for the Commission to exist because we are not promoting this ourselves; we are putting it out as a test run and if we don't have anything coming in from it I don't see any reason for us to be here. ®25® C, C, ' 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Six JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION Continued Mayor Snyder-. I have had many inquiries about grievances for this Commission and I have told them to hold off until you got some of this business out of the way, I don't foresee any lack of complaints,, I would hope anybody I appointed to this Commission would not look at it that their job was only to hear grievances and find out whether or not they had foundation, I think in the field you are working in the person presenting a grievance whether it is true or not feels it is true and the Human Relations ..Commission's job is to ehar the grievances hear the other side, and attempt to explain to the man who feels he is aggrieved if he is wrong where he is wrong and to clear up these differences. I think .you are to initiate actions,ta improve human relations. I think now getting back to this advisory council that you don't have the votes here tonight as proposed here, I would suggest you contact the Coordinating Council and this could perhaps be a start-. Councilman Jett-. Are you saying to circumvent the action of the Council for them to go ahead and initiate them on their own? .Mayor Snyd�ear-. No, I am not saying that. I am saying they can ask the Coordinating Council if they are willing to serve in this capacity and bring this recommendation back to us, Councilman Jett-. I got in on the tail -end of this hearing the other_ night when this Nazi problem came up and I would like to compliment you gentlemen on the manner in which you handled that situation. I have never been present at something that was so emotionally disturbing in a group ' and what little I heard of that where people threatened to kill other people and I thought you gentlemen did a real fine job of keeping this under control and I just want to compliment you on that, Chairman Shrader-. I want -to clarify some doubts. Thank you for the compliment, Mr,, Jett, That is the first one we have received all evening,, These people are serving here of their own good will and good time and as good citizens to do what they think is -best for the City at your request. I regret very much that as a Human Relations Commission we were interrogated when exactly the opposite of the way I think anything in the way of human relations should be conducted. I think it was unfair to the Commission and since some things have been said I think I owe it to the Commission and to the citizens who have backed this Commission, and there are many, gentlemen, there are many, I.do not wish to be critical of Commission members; every one has the right to their own opinion, Mr,, Macsurak said some conflicting things about this advisory council,, I called him before the meeting when he knew he couldn't be there and asked him his opinion and he went along with this train of thought. What.I am trying to do is save the Commission's face in that it says "unanimous" on there and I used the word 'fproxy" and so it was unanimous,, Regarding Mr, Beem's comments about no need for a Commission, if we don't get a complaint from Areas I and II I think that is a very shallow point of view. The area of human relations is extremely deep and complex and I think if you do not back an organization such as this and with unity, and I -26- Cc C. 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Seven JOINT MEETING WITH THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION --Continued. know.you have differences of opinion, but without strong support I think you will be remiss in your responsibilities to the citizens of West Covina Mayor Snyder: I think the statement you made regarding the Nazis for the papers was a very excellent one and did a lot of good for the cause. Councilman Heath: I think that the actions.taken by the Nazis have been deplorable. I.do not subscribe to their principles. However, I would like our City Attorney to give us advice on whether we are in a libelous position if we take a position against this "Nazi Party" in West Covina without our knowing, outside of what we read in the newspapers, exactly what their policy is. I don't know what their policy is, whether it is directed against our government or not and I am not going to take the story in the newspapers but I think it behooves the government in our country to tell us if this is subversive against our contry before we take a stand and put ourselves in a libelous psotion. There are many countries that have their forces organized and trained within United States borders such as the Cubans, the Chinese, et cetera, for the purpose of going back and liberating a country. If this is their principle and we accuse them of being a subversive group I think we are in a danger. I would like the City Attorney to advise us on whether he feels that we can lable this party by ourselves and --thereby make a possible derogatory statement about this. Mayor Snyder: It seems to me they have some policies such as anti-Semitism, et cetera, which are not necessarily subversive but are against the character and nature of the American life. Councilman Heath:: I said in the beginning I think their tenets are deplorable and if that is part of their policy I think we should be so advised. Mayor Snyder: Thank you for coming and we are sorry we put you through this cross examination. I, for -one, will offer you all the cooperation I can in the future. CAMERON AVENUE PUBLICITY Mayor Snyder: Avenue publicity shots and we are Stark's.and present him with the pictures. We would like as many On the loth Mr. Bonelli is coming out for the Cameron going to take him to lunch at plaque. This is atll:30 for the Councilmen present as possible. -27- CQ C,, 2/1/65 • "CITY MANAGER REPORTS WATER DECISION Page Twenty -Eight Councilman Krieger-. I have submitted a motion to all of you,, Two weeks ago I made my report on this. I don't have any intention of belaboring the matter, I invited any Councilman having questions about this subject matter to contact.me, It has now been two weeks since I gave my report and the Council individually has had that opportunity to come forward and discuss with me any aspect of my report, I have no feelings contrary to the sentitments I expressed two weeks ago and there has been no data that has come to my attention that has caused .me to.change my position in the last two weeks, Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Heath, that the City Attorney be directed to prepare a resolution for the City Council of the City of West Covina declaring its policy with respect to annexation to the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California and the,Upper San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District, This resolution should declare -that the City Council of the City of West Covina supports concurrent annexation to the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California of all of that part of the City of West Covina •not now within said District and to the Upper San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District, upon the following terms and conditions-. 1. That the Metropolitan Water District consent to and permit such annexation under the historical formula for the.computation of annexation charges and upon other terms no more adverse than those granted to the Upper San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District, 2,, That such annexation to the Upper San Gabriel Valley Municipal' Water District can be accomplished upon terms and conditions mutually acceptable to the City Council of the City of West Covina and to the Metropolitan Water District, 3, That the City of West Covina shall not be required to expend municipal funds of said City in order to accomplish such annexations, 4, That the Water Supply Contract between the State of California Department of Water Resources and the City of West Covina, dated December 2, 1963, and Amendment No,, 1 thereof, dated September 28, 19649 can be assigned to and accepted by the Metropolitan Water District upon terms and conditions mutually acceptable to the City Council of the City of West Covina, the Metropolitan Water District, and the State of California.Department of Water Resources, Mayor Snyder-. Were I not on the Council I would actively oppose this move, Being on the Council I will actively oppose it until the vote is taken, When the vote is taken I will accept the results and say no more thereafter as long as I am on the Council, I am going to offer a suggestion here. What would be wrong with putting both water districts on the ballot and letting the voters make the choice? -28- Co C, 2/l/65 Page Twenty -Nine WATER DECISION ® Continued • Councilman Krieger: It shows a lack of capacity, a lack of guts, a lack of courage, a lack of leadership and a lack of insight and a lack of a few other things I tan mention, Councilman Heaths I couldn't with a clear conscience propose the four -city or the San Gabriel Valley Water District to the voters because I do not.have confidence that this is good for the City, Mayor Snyder: Once we have gone this way we have no say in the thing any more, I think Metropolitan Water District as set up right now.should-- be.investigated by the State and a different form of set-up initiated, Councilman Jett: I think the Mayor has expressed my feelings and my opinion even better than I can express them myself because I feel we -have in the past made a complete and as exclusive a study as possible of the water situation, I, too, will support the stand of the Council once it is made, I will vote for this motion •because I am convinced we have to move in one direction and take a positive action, Action on Councilman Krieger's motion: Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath Noes: Mayor Snyder Absent: None Mayor Snyder: The night the resolution is brought back we should have a schedule of dates of things to be accomplished. Also, we have a letter from the San Gabriel Water District and they are entitled to an answer, Councilman Heath: Mayor Snyder: BOND ISSUE How about a letter stating the action we have taken.tonight? I think that is in agreement with the Council, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We have set up February 3 to interview the three consulting firms where we will orally interview them, Councilman Heath: We are talking now about proposing a bond issue for certain improvements throughout the City, We need these improvements and we need them badly and I will be the first one to say we will need them and we need this bond issue passed, However, I think that in all fairness to the people,of the City of West Covina it behooves this Council to so advise the people of this City that there is a possibility -29- V. C. C. 2/1/65 'BOND ISSUE - Continued that within the next two years their tax rate will to 90 cents per hundred dollars assessed valuation tell the people this I think we are not being fair Page Thirty increase from 80 and if we don't with them I break it down in this way. We voted to join MWD which I think is a logical act and in doing so we take up the back taxes and the present operating expenses and this point can be debated as to how much it is but I will stick to the figure of 40� but for compromise 1-will say we are talking about 35� per hundred.dollars assessed valuation. If the bond issue goes through in its entirety we are talking about 26t. I look forward to the County in the next year, because of their charter and because of their being compelled by law to pay their people a salary comparable to industry* to increase their taxes 15t in the next year and possibly in the two years evert more. In the spring of 1966 MWD is going to float another eight and some odd million dollar bond issue which we are going to have to pay for and I figure that as another 1W,. We are talking about 86t and I think these-mumbers are very realistic and when we go to the people, as badly as we need - this civic center and as badly as we need these parks and the improve- ments, we would be very unfair to them if we did not tell them the entire story. . • Councilman Krieger: Have you figured in our increase in Federal taxes as well because let's tell them that, too, because the Federal government might increase our Federal taxes, too. Councilman Heath: I don't think there is a basis for stating that and here we have the basis. I Councilman Krieger-. into this situation and by the time recognize fact from fiction. Do you between a water system for this town Councilman Heath-. Councilman Krieger-, on all fronts and I don't oranges. If this Council had your water assessment. Councilman Heath-. I disagree. All we are doing is making more fodder to throw we are through we are not going to want to ask the people to decide, and a city hall? I want the people to know the full facts. Our responsibility is to make sure .this City -.goes forward see any sense in talking about apples and had done something years ago you would have The fact still remains this is what is ahead of us. Mayor Snyder-. It is true these other taxes may occur but they are not taxes we levy and we are in a competitive field in the tax market and. I think you are right if people ask us we are going to have to say these may come to pass but I don't think we have to go out and warn them. People know they are going to have to pay taxes. I don't see any deception in this at all.. I would be the last to have any deceptive procedure in this. m30® Co' Ca 2/l/65 BOND ISSUE Continued • Councilman Heath: • Page Thirty -One I think it would be only fair to tell the people the true story_, Councilman Jett: I feel that way, too, I think we have to take the people into our confidence but I still feel if we get the proper public relations firm to do this job for us I think they can present it.to them in a way that won®t alarm them, .Mayor Snyder: I think at the proper time our campaign committee will be set up but that hasn't been decided yet. I feel that was one of the faults of the last bond issue was that we let somebody else other than the Council direct the campaign and I think in this case the.Council.should direct it and we will have to come to an agreement on what kind of a campaign we want. I think we need to be thinking about the organization of how we are going to run this campaign, Councilman Heath: The only thing we have to talk on the bond issue tonight is to make the appointment Wednesday with the bond people? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Mayor Snyder: City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.- CIVIL DEFENSE ALTERNATE Yes, Could I have some directives on how to judge these people? We have spread sheets for you, (Councilman Nichols stepped out of the room for a few minutes,) City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I have two resolutions that require an additional signature. From time to time Cleo and myself are not available for surplus sales and I have two resolutions, one that still exists would authorize my signature and Cleo"s signature and I would like to include John Q. Adams on this list because the Street Department has options to buy certain surplus equipment, RESOLUTION N0, 3092 ADOPTED Mayor Snyder: The City.Manager presented. - "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA NAMING JOHN Q, ADAMS AS A CIVIL DEFENSE ALTERNATE" Hearing no objections, we will waive,further reading of the body of the resolution, -31- • I Co C. 2/l/65 RESOLUTION NO. 3092 - Continued, Page Thirty -Two Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, that said resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes, Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes, None Absent, Councilman Nichols Said resolution was given No. 3092. RESOLUTION NO, 3093 ADOPTED Mayor Snyder, The City Manager presented, "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA HEREBY ORDERING THAT JOHN Q. ADAMS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES SHALL HEREBY BE AUTHORIZED AS AUTHORITA- TIVE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA TO SIGN FORMS OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE EDUCATIONAL AGENCY FOR SURPLUS PROPERTY" Hearing no objections, we will waive further reading of the body of the resolution, Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, that said resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes; Councilman Jett, Krieger, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes, None Absent, Councilman Nichols Said resolution was given No. 3093. AZUSA VALLEY WATER COMPANY AGREEMENT City Manager, Mr. Aiassa, I would like to advise the Council that a meeting with two other managers involved in this will take place. (Councilman Nichols entered the chambers.) City Manager, Mr, Aiassa, The PoUoC, has awarded $2.50 monthly for hydrants charge to Azusa Valley Water Company, (Gave brief summary of this matter.) I will have a report about this for the Council on the 8th of February. -32- Y �l Ca C. 2/1/65 'CI'TY 'MANAGER REP'O'RTS' ' ' 'Co:nt'iriued.. is REVIEW BOARD MINUTES Decemberi28i 1964 Motion by. -Councilman Heath, seconded to accept the recommendations in the 1964 and place the report on file. TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES January 12, 1965 Page'Thirty®Three by Councilman Jett, and carried, Review Board Minutes of December 28, Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, to accept the Traffic Committee Minutes of January 12, 1965 and place them on file. SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NO. 2 (Improvement of Lark Ellen) City Manager, Mr. Aiassao This is for information only. This is now for the improvement • of Lark Ellen Avenue. This is project No. 56. I would like to advise the Council that the staff picked up this money from the State. Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, to accept this report and place it on file. AUDIT REPORT Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman.Jett, and carried, to accept the audit report and place it on file. - Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett., and carried, to accept the report prepared by the Director of Finance relating to the recommendations submitted by Cotton and Francisco by their letter of January 11, 1965,, SKELTON PROPERTY Appraisal Service Payment Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Jett,.to authorize paying Harrison Baker $300.00.for their appraisal of the Skelton property. Motion passed on roll call as follows. Ayes: Councilmen Jett Krieger, Y , g , Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noeso None Absento None -33- C, C, 2/l/65 'CITY MANAGER REPORTS - Continued • COMMITTEE OF REVENUE AND TAXATION Mayor Snyder-. Page Thirty -Four I have been appointed to the Committee of Revenue and Taxation with the Council°s permissiono Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, that the Mayor be permitted to accept the appointment to the Committee of Revenue and Taxation, PARKS 6 RECREATION COMMISSION City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The Recreation and Parks Commission would like to have authorization from the Council to meet with school representatives to review the possible locations and the site developments of the swimming pools on school property, Councilman Krieger: Why do they have to come to us to ask to do this? • City Manager, Mr, Aiassa; The Parks and Recreation Commission_ is going to ask the school board to designate a liaison and it is better to come from the top than strictly from the Parks and Recreation Commission which is an advisory group, There would be one specific man on the school staff answering some of these questions and I think we should give him some protection. Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried, authorizing the Recreation and Parks Commission to meet with school representatives to review the possible locations and the site developments of the swimming pools on school property, RESOLUTION - AID TO CITIES (Valinda Avenue, et al,) City Manager, Mr Aiassa: This is a resolution which authorized $929800.00 passed by the Board of Supervisors. It is for the improvement of Valinda Avenue between Glendora and Vincent and Valinda between City limits and Mo:beck Street within the City of West Covina, This is to advise the Council that the County has participated, Motion by Councilman Nichols, seconded by Councilman Krieger, and carried, to accept this memorandum of the County Road Commissioner of December 16, 1964 and place it on file, TREASURER'S REPORT Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried, to accept the Treasurer's report for December, 1964 and place it on file, -34- C. Co 2/l/65 Page Thirty -Five 'CITY MANAGER REPORTS - Continued • BILL OF CITY ATTORNEY City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I have a bill from the City Attorney for $237.50 for services in City of West Covina vs. Allsopp, Superior Court No,, 842 040. Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Krieger, that the bill of the City Attorney in the amount of $237.50 for services in the case of the City of West Covina vso'Allsopp be paid. Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath, Mayor Snyder Noes: None Absent: None WORLDS FAIR RESOLUTION Mayor Snyder: We received copies of resolutions regarding this worlds fair. I don't recommend making any resolutions of our own. • Councilman Heath: That is very controversial. COMMITTEE TO MEET WITH SCHOOL BOARD Mayor Snyder: We discussed the setting up of a committee of one or two Councilmen.to.meet with one or two school board people to maintain liaison. We have never done anything about it. It was my understanding that the Council was for this. Have we had any action from the school board on this? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: No. This is the reason I brought this matter up to the Council. If we had this we could have eliminated this one step. Councilman Krieger: My suggestion was only one representative. This is only liason, not an action group. Mayor Snyder: At this time I would like to appoint Mr. Jett to act as liaison at such time as the school board appoints their member. I think the procedure would be for you to contact the school board and Ask them if they have discussed this and to appoint a member. I will direct a letter to them saying that you are our liaison. Councilman Jett: You brief me on that and I will carry it through. City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: All right. -35- C. C. 2/1/65 CITY MANAGER REPORTS - Continued • DONOVAN BILL (SMUT LITERATURE) Mayor --Snyder: • • Page Thirty -Six We have a letter.from Mr. Soto asking for our support on the Donovan -Soto Bill regarding smut literature. He admits to a certain extent that this bill is probably not the whole answer. The question is is it going to be helpful at all and in what way can we support it. I think you all have copies of this. Councilman Nichols: It is a little erroneous to give'publicity to the bill designated as the Donovan -Soto Bill because it is the Donovan Bill and there are 11 different co -endorsers of the bill and it is known throughout the State of California as the Donovan Bill. I think the Council should endorse the bill, I believe West'Covina has been in the forefront of this battle and we don't need.a separate commission appointed ' Motion by Councilman Krieger, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, that this City Council support the Donovan Bill and that the Mayor be.authorized to write a letter to this effect. TELEPHONE RATE FIGHT Mayor Snyder: We got a communication from La Puente - Industry Chamber of Commerce stating they don't support us on this telephone rate right. Councilman Heath: I spoke to them and they got quite excited about it because the way it is proposed by the telephone company there would be no benefit to La Puente and the way we propose it there would still be no benefit but the way we propose it there would be an additional charge to them so`they therefore turned against it. Mayor Snyder: How are we coming with our letters to the other cities on this? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: The Chamber is also involved in this. We are waiting for the P.U.C. to,let us know whether or not we are going to have a hearing. You don't want to organize your forces until we have something to combat and the P.U.C. has acknowledged.that the General Telephone hasn't done anything yet. They haven't formally made an application. REAPPORTIONMENT Mayor Snyder: We have a letter from Mr. Bonelli on the reapportionment. In reapportion ment does'the Senate have exclusive right to determine what goes on the ballot regarding reapportion ment or does the Assembly have to vote on it, too? -36- C, C, 2/l/65 Page Thirty -Seven REAPPORTIONMENT Continued • Councilman Nichols: The authority is not con- sititutionally vested anywhere. The Senate has told the House to keep their hands off of it and not interfere or the Senate will move to do the same to the lower House ...so both houses must concur in any legislative action and any re- apportionment that is brought before the people but the Senate seeks to have the initiative left in its hands. Mayor Snyder: In that case --the letter I sent to Senator Rees I would. like permission to send a copy to Mr. Bonelli and our three Assemblymen. I will do it if there are no objections. (No objections voiced.) RESOLUTION FOR NAMING OF JUVENILES IN ARRESTS Mayor Snyder.- I received a letter from Mr. Bonelli asking for support for the naming of juveniles in arrests, This is a resolution. •. Councilman Krieger: I would like to ask him how that is going to do the job, I am amazed at this approach. Mayor Snyder: I think a lot of this grew out of a recent article in the Readers' Digest by some judge in Montana who is an advocate of this. I have mixed feelings about this and I would go along with Mr. Krieger in waiting to talk to Mr. Bonelli. Councilman Krieger: 95% of the cases where there are juveniles in troubles the reason they are in trouble is because of the parents and'the parents' attitude is they could care less about the whole thing and if they cared more about it the kids wouldn't have been in trouble to begin with so the publicity is a small deterrent, if any at all,: Cou,ncilman•Heath: I feel that if the child is exposed to the neighbors -that. it will embarrass the parents into doing something rather than what they are doing now and I feel there is some good in this as proven to be effective in Montana and I think it could be effective down here, Councilman Nichols: I have already checked into this area most recently with Chief Sill, I have talked to the newspaper men about it. There is no law that ptevents the divulging of the names of juveniles of any age at the.present time, There w$4 a recent editorial in one of the Valley's daily papers that went into this very area and the discretion is, -left entirely to the,newspaperso Any reporter that comes in on any case involving a nine-year old is given full access to the reports, the name, the event, and therefore the release of this information is discretionary totally with the press. For this reason I don't really see that this resolution has any real function. -37- . t " • e Co CQ 2/1/65 Page Thirty -Eight RESOLUTION FOR NAMING OF JUVENILES IN ARRESTS Continued Councilman Jett: We could go'back and point the finger at the press and say "Why haven't you been exposing these names?" Councilman Krieger: Juvenile files are closed and sealed and somewhere along the line because the files were closed and sealed that if they come upwith this thing they are accomplishing something, It is a lot signifying nothing, Councilman Jett: If this was given publicity I can't help but feel that a lot of parents are going to be more strict. I am 100% behind this, Mayor Snyder: One -.of the bad things about indiscriminately releasing information to the press is..often times a kid just makes a mistake, Councilman Jett: Mayor Snyder: BIPARTISAN POLITICS BILL Mayor Snyder: By history it is proven that these juveniles just get deeper and deeper and deeper. I don't think there is any action necessary on this, We have this bill again about bipartisan politics in local government, Motion by Councilman Heath9 seconded by Councilman Nichols, directing the City Clerk to prepare a resolution opposing Assembly Bill No, 300, Motion passed on roll call as follows: Ayes: Councilmen Jett, Noes: None Absent: None FREEWAY ASSOCIATION Krieger9 Nichols, Heath9 Mayor Snyder Mayor Snyder: This is in regard to,the. City of Claremont requesting we attend a meeting on February 10 at noon to discuss forming a freeway association, Councilman Jett: I have an application here if you want to join in the Pomona Freeway Association, This association has taken a very active part in the development of the Pomona Freeway9 the Corona Freeway, They are very actively engaged in getting some rest areas established along the freeway areas. If any of you want to join, I have appli- cations, Mayor Snyder: Do we join this.as a City? if 0 • Cc Cc 2/l/65 FREEWAY ASSOCIATION Continued City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Councilman Heaths Page Thirty -Nine You can. I don't think you will get too much help from this organization. Mayor Snyder: We will let it go. INDECENT LITERATURE RESOLUTIONS Mayor Snyder: I have two resolutions requested on indecent literature from Warren Dorn. We might as well support them, too. Assemblyman Theland and Assemblyman Carroll. Councilman Nichols: This is a duplication of the other in that the legislation they are talking about has been introduced or recommended by Judge Younger in cooperation with the County Commission referred to here. This..is the bill that is going to the Legislature. We have already supported the bill mentioned in these resolutions. LIMITING LENGTH OF TIME OF ZONING Mayor Snyder.: We have a letter from the City Attorney stating .that we couldn't limit the time the zoning stays on the land. He says in effect there is nothing to prevent us as a matter of policy in certain zonings to state that if development is not started in a certain length of time we might initiate a zone change. Councilman Heath: I don't think that is the way to do it. I think we should grant the zoning if it is deemed advisable and then at a later date, two, three, four years later if we feel it is not in consideration of,.the General Plan we then initiate procedures to change the zone. Mayor Snyder: Perhaps we could set up a policy for continuous review for unused zoning. Is there any way we could ask the Planning Commission to study such a procedure of a continued study of unused zoning with a view of initiating action in those zonings that are felt to be inappropriate? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Yes. Councilman Krieger: That is something retroactively. As far as prospectively I think it would be well for us to keep in mind this memo whenever we have a zoning case before us. What we could do upon making the introduction of the ordinance is make a motion for the City Manager to diary this zone change for one year or two years hence and report back to the Council on the status of `the development of this property and that is an announcement right then and there to the applicant in those cases where we feel it may just be speculative zoning that this has been placed on somebody's calendar and is going to be brought back to the Council's attention. This doesn't violate the opinion because it. is not a condition on the zoning; it is just,'an administrative matter to report back to the Council on those zoning cases. 0 n C. C. 2/1/65 Page Forty 'LIMITING THE LENGTH OF ZONING - Continued sr Mayor Snyder: I think you have to do it on all of them. Councilman Krieger: I don't think fairness is the question. I think the test is if there is any question in any individual Councilman's mind at the time of the zoning matter before them'. Mayor Snyder: Say you make a mistake on commercial zoning but when you try to change it they bring up the argument they have.been paying taxes at commercial rates. If you put them on notice that the City Council has the ultimate right to change it back, which they know anyway but needs to be stated publicly to zone either up or down .as the.public welfare demands the argument becomes less persuasive. Councilman Nichols: Mr. Williams has expressed many times that when we talk about "taking the potential zoning off of a piece of property and we were told we would be in real trouble, a person could buy this property .based on the zoning that was on the property and all of a sudden he finds out that the City is zoning it back to R-A. This causes him a tremendous loss of money. The same thing would apply here. • Mayor Snyder: We can bring this up again next Monday night when the City Attorney is here. Councilman Krieger: We are not talking about potential property; we are talking about property that has a firm zone and he showed in that memorandum that the Council is vested with jurisdiction to reconsider at some later date the zoning on the property. What I am saying, at least in my interpretation of that memo, if concurrently with the action of rezoning the Council were to adopt a motion to review this matter, the impli- mentation of the zoning at some future date, this doesn't create a potential zone; it is zoned. Also, it is a matter of record how the Council feels about it being implimented and it is also public notice to everybody concerning that. Mayor Snyder: It has never been the policy of any city council to zone back once you have zoned and this is probably right but I think it is not 100% right because sometimes you make mistakes and the developer makes mistakes and it should be zoned back and you shouldn't have to pay the penalty of being stuck with something that isn't good. Councilman Jett: I think some means should be devised to convey to anyone " asking for zoning to say we.are willing to consider this and if given to you that.it will be given based upon the information that you have furnished the City and the City may institute hearings to rezone this back to its original zoning. Councilman Krieger: That is exactly what we are discussing doing. This will be at the time of the Council action. -40- 0 E C, C, 2/l/65 Page Forty -One LIMITING THE LENGTH OF'_ZONTNG Continued Councilman Heath: If you put a time to review this it should be a minimum of two years because by the time you start any sizable project you have a year gone easily, Councilman Jett: I think two years would be reasonable: Councilman Krieger: I think this type of motion should be used selectively. GROSS RECEIPTS TAX Mayor Snyder: Is the Chamber of Commerce studying this gross receipts tax? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Yes; Mr. Flotten and Mr. Tambe. There being no further business9 Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Krieger, and carried, that this meeting be adjourned at 12:15 A,M, ATTEST: CITY CLERK APPROVED MAYOR -41m