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10-19-1964 - Regular Meeting - MinutesI MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA October 19, 1964 The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order by Mayor Snyder at 9:05 P.M. in the West Covina City Hallo ROLL CALL Present: Mayor Snyder, Councilmen Jett, Krieger, Nichols, Heath Others Presents Mr. George Aiassa, City Manager Mr. Robert Flotten, City Clerk & Admin. Assistant Mr. John Q. Adams,'Public Services, Director Mr. Ray Windsor, Administrative Analyst WATER PROBLEM Mayor Snyder: Regarding our meeting with the Upper San Gabriel Valley Water I think -we should put on the study session of the 19th a discussion of our status at the present time and arrive at some policy decision as to what our next move is going to be. For that purpose I would like to have a representative of Mr. Montgomery's office or Mr. Holburt there to clarify these cost figures for us and clarify some other questions. On the 16th of November is a study session and off-street parking is one item for that night. I would like to put the water situation there and I would like to have Mr. Holburt present at that meeting, City Manager, Mr. Aiassa.: All right. Councilman Jett: City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: later and if there is time we can Mayor Snyder: City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I, think this water problem is one that would warrant an entire evening, Those two items should be enough. We will put the water discussion first and the off-street parking take up off-street parking. That would be .fine. I would .like Mr. Hill to be there, also, Mayor Snyder: Does any Councilman need anything in the way of information before that meeting to help them come to a policy decision? Councilman Krieger: Is it not possible between now and that study meeting to pin down somewhat more definitely than the academics that we went through tonight as to whether or not if we annexed through the Upper San Gabriel Water District if we would come under the histor- ical or the Carroll formula? Councilman Heath: M.W.D. won't tell you that unless their entire board meets on it�and makes a decision. -1- C, C, 10/19/64 Page Two 'WATER"PROBLEM - Continued Mayor Snyder: Would there be any harm in directing a letter to M.W.D. to ask what our present status is regarding M,W,D,'s historical versus Carroll Plan? Councilman Jett: Let's determine what we want to do before we approach them again, We have approached them so many times, Councilman Krieger: We have had the meeting with the San Gabriel District, Tonight we met with the Upper San Gabriel District, and we all know that Metropolitan knows we have had both of these meetings and they know what our discussion was tonight with these people from the Upper so it seems to me just a matter of natural follow-through to indicate to them that we have had these discussions with the Upper District and this question has been raised and there doesn't seem to be any immediate answer to it and in weighing the alternatives we would like to have a current position stated with reference to this question, Mayor Snyder: I think there is a current position and that is this: That we could have had the historical formula had we entered prior to April of this year, Councilman Krieger: That doesn't mean what the answer is in November of this year, Mayor Snyder: They have said after April it would be the Carroll formula, that there would be no extension, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We have a letter to that effect, I'll get that for Mr, Krieger, Councilman Krieger: I just don't place that much emphasis on the climate at which time that letter was given to the City, I feel there was some compulsion being exerted on the City at that time to get in while the getting was good as they saw it and I would like to know whether they are going to now stand by that position or not, Mayor Snyder: There is no way of getting that before November because they have to have a meeting of the Board, . Councilman Heath: I think that by contacting Mr, Jensen I think he can give you an informal commitment which I think he can pretty well back up so I think it would be your position as water representative to ask him this and I think you will get an answer, The entire board has to make this decision, Councilman Jett: We have letters in which this problem has been taken to the board but the board rules that they would extend to West Covina up to April 1 of 1964 the privilege of coming in under the historical formula, After that date there was no question about it, we would come in only under the Carroll formula, That is documented by letters, -2- • Co Ca' 10/19/64 WATERPROBLEM - Continued Councilman Krieger: dating of that position that I would be content Jensen informally said what his opinion as to off base, Page Three I have seen that correspondence and I would like to have an up - from Metropolitan but I am not quite sure in a study session on November 16 even if Mr, they will still apply the historical as to what the board would do and then find ourselves Councilman Heath: Get an informal opinion from him and in the study session take two routes: If we can go the historical plan, we go this way; if we cannot, we go this way, Then go for a formal committment from the Board, Mayor Snyder: We can have the meeting on the 16th and whether we know whether we would get historical or Carroll formula you can still look at alternatives and we have reached a point now where we should be able to set them down very clearly on paper, alternatives and cost factors and there is no harm in calling Mr, Jensen, in fact I will do it, and see what the present indication is but he has to take it to his board before you will get a firm statement and in the past they have tended to dicker with us; HOLIDAY FLAG FLYING Councilman Heath: I see we have a paper telling us the rest of the holidays, Can't we have a flag up on the City Hall on legal holidays? I think it should be the first responsibility of the City, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: SACRAMENTO TRIP We will take care of that, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Mr., Kay and I have talked about this trip to Sacramento, He might want to stay overnight if he gets bogged down, I would like approval to let Mr, Kay stay over one night, Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried, that Mr, Kay be authorized to stay overnight in Sacramento if the need arises, NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We have completed the one-third phase, We want to know whether we can proceed and go ahead and complete the final plans and speci- fications for the City Hall and the police Facilities, We have met with the County and we have a pretty reasonable working relationship with them.for the ,99 acre trade, We have met with their architect who is planning the enlargement of the Citrus Court, -3- C, C, 10/19/64 NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT - Continued Page Four • You have received a letter directed to the Council dated October 19 from Neptune and Thomas re this matter, I would like this spread in full in the Minutes: "Following is our estimate of cost of construction and the proposed production schedule for working drawings and specifications for the City Hall, Police Facility and E,O,C, Facility, general City Development, Parking Structures and Architect's Fee, "October 1 to December 1, 1964 "December 1, 1964 "September 15, 1965 "November 1, 1965 "January 1, 1967 Analysis and Cost Control Studies Start Working Drawings - Architectural, Structural, Mechanical, Electrical, Civil, and Landscape Working Drawings Completed Project to bid Construction completed, 0 "Estimate of Cost: "City Hall "Police Facility "E,O,C. "General Site Development Drainage $ 15000.100 Sewers 91000,00 Water 8000100 Gas 2000,00 Electrical 22000100 Paving(Surface, 950 cars) 64,000,00 Concrete Paving 8 Mall 709000,00 Curbs and Gutters 109000."00 Total General Site Development "Earthwork "Landscaping "Architect's Fee @ 80 (Includes Amt, Invoiced to date) "Parking Structure (700 cars) is"Architect's Fee @ 80 "Parking Structure (300 cars) "Architect's Fee @ 80 $ 192009000,00 3779000,00 5579700,00 200,000,00 100,000,00 150,000,00 $ 205849700,00 2061776,00 1,050,000,00 849000,00 450,000,00 36,000,00 "The above cost estimate includes surface parking for 950 cars and also indicates the anticipated cost for parking structures should the decision on the Auditorium indicate that such structures should be needed, -4- • C, Ca 10/19/64 'NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT - Continued Page Five "Upon completion of the study being made for the Auditorium Facilities by Stanford Research and the subsequent decision by the City, we would anticipate starting immediately upon detailed architectural studies for the Auditorium, We would anticipate that the Auditorium design would be developed while the Working Drawings for the other facilities are being done, and that the Working Drawings for the Auditorium would be started while the other Working Drawings are still in production, The date of completion of the Working Drawings for the Auditorium would be dependent upon which a decision is made regarding the treatment and facilities to be provided, ►►We are prepared to proceed with the Working Drawings for the portion indicated above upon receiving authority from the City to do so," Mr, Joseph Thomas: (Gave brief summary of the matter,) Councilman Heath; I don't know where all these funds are going to come from and I think it behooves this Council to sit down and make its priority decisions, We have confronting us the proposal of a bond issue for four and a third million.dollars which I think should come to five and a half million dollars if it is realistically figured, We are coming up with another proposal with ►►x►► number of millions both of which require bonds, general obligation bonds, On top of that, we have a proposal for the possibility of acquiring a water company with "x" number of bonds which will be revenue bonds and we can't even fix our present streets, This Council knows right well when we got through with our budget last time there were a few pennies left over and practically nothing for capital improvements and the streets suffered, the sidewalks suffered and many other things suffered, Before the Council goes hog -wild into a series of programs like this I think it behooves this Council to sit down and put all these numbers together and find out what the total amount is and decide what priority and what we are going to go for and what we are not going for, Right now it looks like we are heading into a jumble of looking at what is in front of us immediately and not looking at the whole picture, I cannot see where this City can go into these tremendous bond issues that we are discussing under the present set up, Before I would be willing to vote on any program like this I think t would want to sit down and find out which comes first, how much, and where the money is coming from,, Mayor Snyder: I would agree with you and I didn't know we had discussed the bond issues yet and how much, I would like from the staff an operating cost estimate over the next five years, including all alternatives; the total budget over the next five years, There is a way you can do this by approximat-I"on, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The Finance Officer is doing that now, Mayor Snyder: We have to have that before we can make any intelligent decision regarding bond issues, • • Is C, C, 10/19/64 NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT Continued Page Six City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: This is only your final plans and specifications, You are not going into any construction right now, Mayor Snyder: Isn't it better to hold up on your working specifications until after the bond issue passes? Councilman Heath: I would not formulate plans and specifications until the time I am ready to use them, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The reason I am talking about final plans and specifications, when you go to the voters and go in with a rendering, I haven't seen too many of those bonds passed. but I have seen them passed when you have the final plans and specifi.!atiohs and know what you are going to construct, what your cost figf.,,:res are and know what you are proposing because then the voters see w'�at '.hey are going to get, If there was any question in the mind that the Council did not want to go into construction for five or ten ,;•ma's we should complete this project under H,H,F,A, and forget thi;-.,, Mayor Snyder: We need to know five-year capital needs, This includes fire stations, streets, everyzhi;y,g, We need to know our whole capital needs. We need this meeting :.n parks and Recreation, We need to bring all these things toget_�er and make our decision later, Councilman Heath: I think your request is very good. I feel that materials and construction changes rad4.cai.7.y every year, Therefore, until we know we are ready to go ahead and start construction, I feel that the design work should be held off because there is a possibility we might hold this for "X" number of vears and when the time comes to build I think we should take advantage of the latest materials and the latest designs, Councilman Krieger: According to Mr, Thomas's letter he indicates December :1. as starting working drawings, will agree with Councilman Heath when you get some cost breakdown such as this it is a frightening ghtening experience but we hav- th�r.e pro..'ems; we h,:.ve each of the problems you ennumerated and -we are go ng �:o have to realistically and courageously face up to these problems, ;wt-, can't call ourselves a headquarter city and run ourselves like a farm town, Sooner or later we are going to have to say this is the kind of (,:ity we have and this is the kind of city we wiil remain or we are gong to have to get off the dime, 1 think the only purpose ncu it to allow us to have all the evidence before us, to determine wheth�r . -r not we are going to get off the dime on These things, fwe :re not going 'tVo, if we are not going-, to undertake a park pvogra:... S . we c".re no; aoyag tro undertake a civic center which we ari_z= yeare >>fh�.nd on then at least let's say so and forget all these ::_'iffioulties and concern ourselves whether someone has a six-foot or sever. -foot fence, et cetera, and resign ourselves to that kind of a city, I don't see scow we can call ourselves a headquarter city when in tuth and in fact we are nothing of the sort, C, Ca 10/19/64 Page Seven NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT m Continued • Councilman Heath- Don't you think we should have an overall picture of what this is going to cost us first to see how much we can go or do you feel we should go regardless of what the cost is? Councilman Krieger: I think we should make our decision based upon the best evidence that people such as this can bring before us, such as our Parks and Recreation and our Planning Commissions can bring before us as to what these needs of our City are, what it is going to cost us to meet these needs, and then formulate a bond program and go out and challenge the people with -'lie proposition that they need it, The people of this City are at a i:a.ge where they are going to be willing to listen and awaken to a challenge if it is presented to them but this entire program as well as the other programs we desperately need are going to fail by default unless we do something an(' do it immediately, Councilman Heath! What is your proposal, that we agree to go ahead on the civic center as proposed, we go ahead on the parks as proposed? Councilman Krieger; I don't think there is the slightest question in the world . that we need a City Hall ir•this City and we need it now, We need the police facility. These are figures that are before us as to what they are going to cost us, We know the Parks and Recreation and the Planning Commissions have brought forth programs that conservatively would cost four million dolla..:,s, I think the decision we have to make is what type of a program we can conscientiously present to the people of West Covina for a bond issue and I believe it has to necessarily and now involve amounts involving the City Hall, the police facility, a park and recreation progra-2m, and if there is no other way to do it, an auditorium so it is just question of how much is a maximum bond issue, what represents our maximuzin effort and let's go forward with it, I don't see what we have to gain by saying this is just a lot of money because everybody will agree with you but we do have a lot to gain if we say this City has �a capacity and I think we should recognize that it does have a capacity, By law it has a $139000,000 bond ability, Mayor Snyder- I don't think we need to make a decision on these working drawings until after we have looked at the park issue and after we have seen the other capital needs plus the five-year projection, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- Mr, Thomas and his staff came to present to you where you are at now and give him time: to look over his presentation, What he is faced now is with a decision to go ahead, stop, or what, Mayor Snyder- The next step is working drawings and the other decision on they auditor —Dart wri:-ch we ay..: nct discussing at this time, We are not. prepared to give him an answer on that tonight, My suggestion is that we have our meeting with "the, Parks and Recreation, we finalize the program there, we need some idea on the matter of fire stations and other needs, We need this working budget projection, We also need to know what it is going to add to our working force in the City and in our total budget, These are all factors and when we have all -7- C,, C,, 10/19/64 NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT - Continued Page Eight . these thingsI think we are ready to come to a decision on these,, I agree with Mr,, Krieger that we are going to have to go ahead with this but I am not sure how much of it,, Mr,, Joseph Thomas: Perhaps these dates on here that we indicated we think there is an emergency,, That isn't our affair as to when you would want to start on it, The reason we put the dates is that it is a little clearer than if you say so many months,, Councilman Nichols: For my own informationfl do you have a recollection of whether or not the directive to go into the development of the present Neptune and Thomas project was by unanimous decision of the former Council? Mayor Snyder: I don't believe it was,, I think it was a four -to -one vote, Councilman Nichols: Do you recall who the one vote in opposition to moving into this study was? Councilman Jett: I was the one vote,, It was based on this: I object to spending money just to make studies if you don't intend to use them,, I feel this way: That if we are ready to go ahead with this program let's get our plans prepared and get the thing on the way and go,, I would go along with the program if we have now made up our mind that we are going to go along and get our plans prepared for the City Hall, Police Department, et cetera; get this prepared, get our bond issue going and I would work for this and I would help on it but just to go ahead and have these plans made and spend another fifty, one hundred thousand dollars, this.I can't go along with unless I know where we are going, Mayor Snyder: I think we all agree with you on that,, We have to look at the whole program and then decide what we are going to do of the whole program, including parks and recreation, future fire stations, et cetera,, I think by the middle of November we should be able to come to a decision, I am ready to go on some sort of a park package,, Councilman Jett: I would like to see us have a meeting.and really make a decision on this,, Councilman Heath: I think the Mayor's suggestion was the answer to the entire thing, the anticipated projection for the next five..years and -I think this can be done and is something that must be done,, Mayor Snyder: There is a name for this sort of budget and I' thought we had one of these,, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: It is a projection budget,, We have been using this, We have compiled it in one package and submitted it but, up to zRaw we have been going on a strict cash basis program - Pay -A. -You-�:x'uo . Co C, 10/19/64 NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT - Continued • Councilman Heath: City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Mayor Snyder: Page Nine Do we have a copy of that plan somewhere? Yes, We will build up from that, Could we have this material all put together in one package by the middle of November? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: You have two phases here, Up to this time we have been financing capital outlay out of the current operational budget, Our new projection if it is going to go into consideration of a possibility of a bond issue, a lot of these capital outlay items would not be included into what we call the current year operation, In five years we don't know what your needs are going to be unless you determine a package of capital outlay improvements by priority. Mayor Snyder: We realize you can't give us an exact figure on this, We expect you to approximate it, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: You have one serious problem and that is you have a rapidly . growing city that has a great amount of needs which must be met first, These are daily operation needs and service needs, Councilman Jett: I think what the Mayor is aksing for is the tool we need if we are going to make a decision, Councilman Krieger: We have been a growing city for the past five, six years and we have been operating within the same budget, Councilman Nichols: When the different appointive commissions are working on any of these areas and department heads provide to those commissions certain figures and recommendat_l.ons for certain steps and then the commissions adopt those recommendations, do these represent a concensus between you, Mr, Aiassa, and those department heads, or are they going on on their own with recommendations? Does the Council assume that those recommendations came from the commissions that we know are a result of department head recommendations, do we assume that that is also your recommendation? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Mayor Snyder: to the Council to bring this downs In certain items, that is true, They submit this in total without any regard to cost, It is up City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The Parks and Recreation Depart- ment has a working meeting with the Commission, They determine what their total budget will be from the recommendation of the department.. head which usually concurs basically with some of my recommendations, After the Parks and Recreation Commission has reviewed it and accepted it, then the Parks and Recreation Director meets with me to go over the final phases of the budget, If there are any changes then the Commission is notified and then there is a joint meeting with the City Caunciil or, the Dina'. BLddg�at items which are the City Council items entsred as budget approved, -9- C o C a 10,i 19/64 Page Ten NEPTUNE AND THOMAS REPORT - Continued: Councilman Nichols: In case of the -matter Such ass. blind issues whore the ' comiiiissiofns are in- volved and these package pr°oposals'are coming up for various types df - bond issues, do the recommendations there that department heads make to commissions than then result in these representations come as a result of a common agreement between you and the department heads? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: No. This proposed package for PArks- and Recreation Bond Issue is done'be- tween the Planning Commission and the Parks and Recreation Commission -and the Planning Director and his staff and the Parks and Recreation Director and his staff and John Adams, I have nothing to do with any phase'of this at all. The Council. directed them to make this study. What they are pro- posing to you is a suggested plan and it is up to the Council to finally accept it all or in part. This is only a recommendation and the City Coun- cil is the only body that can finalize it. Councilman Nichols: I am talking about the Orangewood Park site that has repeatedly shown up in the recommendations of the commissions, that it must be expanded, that it is a priority matter. This involves acquisition of property, - strategic property, important property, It has many broad implications that might be considered political and otherwise. If these factors are known to us and to the City Manager, might we better have conveyed these things early in these discussions? City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Both commissions have knowledge of these. In their opinion they know the complications with the hospital and all these other things. They are very conscious of the situation. Councilman Nichols: They are going for the ideals they would -Like to achieve? City Manager-, Mr, Aiassa: That's right. It is up to you to de- termine where you want to alter or change it to fit the demands of funds, et cetera. Councilman Nichols: Then this is in the same concept, this Neptune and Thomas? City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Not quite. Neptune and Thomas were given the job to determine the neces- sary needs of the Civic Center, its' cost, et cetera. Mayor Snyder: This was prepared on the basis of a study of our needs and then the type of building was laid down by a policy decision. By the middle of November we will have enough information to reach our decision. We will make our next meeting on this on November 30; a study session on capital improvements. STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE REPORT Mr, William Kopp: This is the first phase of a two- phase report in which we were to cover the general feasibility of such a proposed auditorium facility in West Covina. We are dealing here with the concepts and utilization of the facility and have gone into rough and preliminary financial figures in order to give you assistance. (Gave brief summary of the report.) -10- C, Co 10/19/64 'STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE REPORT - Continued • Mr,, Gerald Fox: Valley, (Gave for limited and the concept of can.ekpect 130 Initially just year, However, breaking operating zation, even, Page Eleven There really is no assembly_ facility in the East San Gabriel brief summary of report,) There is a need in this area low budget exhibit shows, consumer shows, We are taking a 30000-seat, flat floor,.limited stage facility, You event days usage or a draw of 2100000 people per year, the operating expenses would be a $30,000 deficit per after seven, eight years of operation you would be The $309000 figure is just the net revenue versus expense, It does not include the interest or the amorti- There is a real need for an auditorium. It is difficult to measure, There is a very significant banquet potential, In addition to the complex there is a need for a separate 109000-square-foot facility, This would permit some use for the facilities for banquets, dances, This is all under cover, It would be so designed that it would be available to the 20,000 square foot floor of the auditorium,. There is not the potential for outside groups like conventions coming "Co West Covina, There is only one city that has that potential and that is Anaheim, They are coming through with a very large facility, arena, an exhibit hall and a theater, Mayor Snyder: We have a particular problem here in the fact that this is a so-called regional auditorium yet we are attempting to do it as a municipality, Is part of Phase 2 suggestions on different possible methods of financing, for instance setting up a County district or City financing it and leasing back a portion to the County which we have had some indication from Mr, Bonelli that this is possible plus lease -purchase with lease back to private groups, all the different alternatives of financing such an undertaking? Mr, Gerald Fox: Yes, Mr, William Kopp; The utilization or event days are approximately 130 and is projected up to 190 follows very similar patterns to what we would normally call successful types of auditoriums, Most of these do not make money, Councilman Heath - in the round :in this immediate area Melodyland, This, I imagine, will There's contemplation in the very near future of a theater identical'in size and shape to effec-u your figures, Mr, Gerald Fox: It very possibly could, Mayor Snyder: It would not effect the exibition figures which is estimated in the normal years of operation as 21 days plus ten move -in days,, Councilman Heath: The theater in the round would only effect your 109000 square feet that you were discussing? -11- C, C, 10/19/64 Page Twelve 'S'TANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE REPORT Continued • Mr, Gerald Fox: The theater in the round would take away the performing arts aspect because you would still have your groups to put on plays but there wouldn't be any market because they would be absorbed by private theaters, Mayor Snyder: Perhaps with a regional auditorium they might be able to lease it from us cheaper than they could from a private concern, Mr, Gerald Fox; That's right, Councilman Krieger: Did you say that this has a great exhibition potential? Mr,.Gerald Fox: I didn't mean competing with the proposed exhibition facility in Los Angeles$ no, Our exhibition events are 21 days, Councilman Krieger: That is just relative to the type of event? Mr, Gerald Fox; That's right, Mayor Snyder: You wouldn't expect home shows is a County -wide type of thing, or anything like that$ which Mr, Gerald Fox,- Yes$ of a limited nature, If the local merchants don't get behind it we have talked to various promoters of shows and they are very interested in going to the market, This area for this type of thing is a very good market for them and.they would be very interested, Mayor Snyder: How is such an auditorium managed? Mr, Gerald Fox-, They generally have a manager$ the successful ones do, This has been figured in when I give you f.he figures, Fie is generally on Civil Service, The best way to do it is to set up a separate board and they give the auditorium ,tanager the right to operate, Phase 2 would include discussion of m�-'nagement and experience of other communities, Phase 1 is reposated except for the written report, The question of Phase 1 was is there a regional auditorium needed and can West Covina provide it, That is what Phase 1 mainly takes care of, Mayor Snyder: In Phase 2$ this would be the time to coordinate with Neptune and Thomas, Would this be a part of what Neptune and Thomas would. be doing? Would this apply against the contract with Neptune and Thomas'' City Manager$ Mr, Aassa: No, Neptune and Thomas have a separate contract, They will borrow the statistics from Stanford Research Institute, -12- Ca Ca 10/19/64 Page Thirteen STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE REPORT Continued • Mr, William. Kopp: Our reports$ if accepted, will stipulate what type auditorium can.be supported in this area maximizing the utilization versus the cost involved, Councilman Krieger: When does a municipal auditorium become a regional auditorium? Is there some type of differential? Mr, Gerald Fox: No, It is mainly the competition existing in the area, It is more a matter of drawing power than physical plant, If you were building an auditorium strictly for events of a local nature you could get by with 19000 seats, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: The reason we have engaged these experts is to avoid us from building a regional type of structure if the potential isn't there, If the potential isn't there then we should build a limited municipal auditorium and stay within that range, Mr, Gerald Fox: The shows will not come here to an auditorium with less than 3,000 seats, They cannot afford it, Councilman Krieger: It seems to me what we are talking about is what type of facility should we build here that will come closest to suiting needs, Mr, Gerald Fox: I think you're right, City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I presume that the municipal auditorium is the one contained within the municipality and controlled within the City scope -of activ- itieso The regional auditorium goes beyond that and . is supplemented .by.--a-few special --city- activitisso Mr, Gerald Fox: That's right, The Parks and Recreation and the schools both will make heavy use of a facility but it has to be a certain size, Even within the City of West Covina you would have to go to about 1$500 seat or a minimum 1$000 seat ''assembly hall, Mayor Snyder: If we were to build a regional auditorium, 3$000 seat$ we would not need the other municipal assembly hall, or would we need both? Mr, Gerald Fox: You would still need in this area a seating capacity of 3,0006 If you built the regional auditorium$ you wouldn't need another building, The 10,000 square feet is an additional use and could be added later if'there is enough space,'. We are concerned about the space involved within a civic center, You will need 800 parking spaces for a facility around 3$000 seats, Mayor Snyder: There is nighttime parking of the other facilities, -13- C, C, 10/19/64 STANFORD RESEARCH INSTITUTE REPORT Continued Page Fourteen Councilman Heath; I think this is a very good report, Mr, William Kopp: Of the number of cities that are trying to consider this you have one of the best possibilities -for this than many others trying to get into the act, Mayor Snyder: I think this is the only for it to be done, for one jurisdiction to take the lead and do it.. SISTER CITY COMMISSION Councilman Nichols: I received a memo from my representative on the Sister City Commission, I did promise that I would bring it to the attention of the Mayor and the City Manager that the Sister City Commission has gone on record requesting that the City Council consider the naming of a street in West Covina, Toluca Street. Councilman Heath: One street that could take a name change and still solve a problem would be Holt since there.is a Holt Avenue in Pomona, Public Services Director, Mr, Adams: A lot of new streets in Home Savings' development haven't been named yet, Refer this to the Engineering Department, Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried, that the matter of naming a street in West Covina "Toluca" be referred to the City Engineering Department, There being no further business, Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Nichols, and carried, that this meeting adjourn at 11:15 P.M. 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