02-17-1964 - Regular Meeting - MinutesMINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
City of West Covina, California
February 17, 1964
The adjourned regular meeting of the City' Council was called 'to order b* '-
Mayor Barnes at 8:05 P.M. in the West Covina City Hall, Councilman Towner
led the Pledge of Allegiance. Councilman Jett gave the invocation,
HTO RMi7:10 it
Present: Mayor Barnes, Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath,
Snyder (from 8:15 P.M.)
Others Present: Mr. George Aiassa, City Manager
Mr; Robert Flotten, City Clerk & Administrative Assistant
Mr, Thomas J. Dosh, Public Services Director
Mr, Harold Joseph, Planning.Director (from 8:20 P.M..)
Absent: Mr, Harry C. Williams, City Attorney
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
January 6, 1964 - Approved as submitted as follows:
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by'Councilman Heath,'and carried,
that the Minutes of January 6, 1964 be approved as submitted,
C I TY CLERK'S REPORTS
METES AND BOUNDS NO. 135-223 LOCATION: 306 South Barranca
R. A. Clarke
APPROVED 3 Acres - 3 Lots - Area District III
Approved by Planning Commission on February 5, 1964. Held over from
February 10, 1964.
Mr. R. A. Clarke (Presented map and explained
306 South Barranca same.)
West Covina
Councilman Heath: It's very unfortunate that that
amount of area is tied up in the
back and landlocked. However, there are many parcels throughout our
City which have to be half -acre lots because of their shape. In this
case if this was granted I would hate to be responsible to say I was
in agreement when a fire truck would come in and go down a 20-foot
driveway for the 100 feet and then stop and no other fire truck can
follow it up, get past it and get in to fight a fire.
Mr. R. A. Clarke:
ICouncilman Heath:
There would be plenty of area in
front of the house. We wouldn't
build on the west side of the lot.
In the meantime your fire truck.
is reeling out hose all the way'
up that 20-foot driveway,
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METES AND BOUNDS NO. 135-223 Continued
(Councilman Snyder entered the chambers at 8:15 P.M.)
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Councilman Towner: It is our.custom tb,r`efer these
maps to the Fire Department
and they look them over. Did they have comments on this?
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: They have made conditions to
be put on this subdivision,
(Read recommended conditions of the Planning Commission re this matter.)
Councilman Towner.: I think this has been reviewed
by the Fire Department and
they have put the conditions on it they deem satisfactory and acceptable.
I don't think this is any great departure from what we have approved
already in the area. I feel that there is just no other way to get
at this lot, He does meet the'Area District III requirements.
Councilman Heath: There arestipulations concerning
the Fire Department but I don't
think there is a report from the Fire Department, I don't know where
we have run a street or easement 20®feet wide for that length and
made a bend in the middle of it, I can't see this as a good development,
There are many parcels in this City that are above minimum size due
to the fact they can't be developed and I don't think this can be
developed,
Mayor Barnes: I have no objection to this
but I would like to know`the
location of the steamer fire hydrant referred to because I think this
has a:bearing on the fire protection in this area.
Public Services Director, Mr. Dosh: We had.a similar situation on
Suzy Samuels' tract a few months
ago in which she subdivided a lot which is quite far removed.from the
street,. I think the City Council realized the problem and approved
a similar split under the: same conditions. The easement was longer.
Councilman Snyder: These requirements relating to
fire hydrants and fire truck
turn -around are made after, review by the Fire Chief or on his recom-
mendation, are they not?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Yes,
Councilman Towner: I assume the Fire Chief knows
.the location of the hydrant as
he makes this study himself. I don't think he would approve it if he
didn't have adequate protection or at least he would let us know.
Councilman Jett: I thought the staff was going to
look at this to see if there was
a better solution to this particular problem.
(Mro Joseph entered the chambers at 8:20 P,M,)
Mr, A, M, Gilmore
835 South Orange
West Covina
top of the hill, Actually in case of
through the existing driveway on the
The fire hydrant can be placed
on the property or on the ease-
ment because the water company
.has the water up there at the
fire your access would be
existing house,
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METES AND BOUNDS NO,, 135-223 - Continued
Planning Director, Mr,, Josephs (Presented three study maps re
this matter and explained same.)
Councilman Heaths I don't like to see this type of
development,, I will concede the
fact that this is.probably the only way, it can be developed.
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that Metes and Bounds Subdivision No,, 135-223 be approved subject to
the recommendations of the Planning Commission
TEMPORARY USE PERMIT APPLICATION OF
EASTLAND BUSINESSMEN'S ASSOCIATION FOR
AUTO DISPLAY AT EASTLAND CENTER -
UPPER LEVEL PARKING AREA - FEBRUARY 20
TO 299 1964.,,
City Clerk, Mr,, Flotten:
entrance,, (Read application,,)
This will be in front of the
Woolworth store facing Workman
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the Eastland Businessmen's Association be granted a temporary use
permit for their display on February 20 to February 29 subject to
the approval of all City departments,,
TEMPORARY USE PERMIT OT CARPTT TOWN
City Clerk, Mr,, Flotten: I have a request for a temporary
use permit from Carpet Town,.
According to our ordinances it is not allowed,, This gentleman wants
to conduct a special sane of rollend rugs'in his back parking lot,,
It would be roped off and guarded,,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that Carpet Town be advised that their request is in violation of a
City ordinance,and,therefore is denied,,
PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION
February 5, 1964
Precise Plan No, 397
Hartman -Noonan
Approved
Mayor Barnes:
Variance No, 480
Superior Optical Co,,
Denied
Councilman Jett:
,,So indicated by Mr,, Flotten,,
Called up.
I would request that this come
up with the. zone change,,
Called up,,
I would like to have that called
up,,
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS - Continued
0 SISTER CITY PROGRAM
Mayor Barnes;
I attended the Sister City Program
last Thursday night at Judge
Johnson's chambers, It
was the concensus of the committees that
evening that they would
like the.Council to each appoint one•member as
.a commissioner for this
Sister City Program;.in other w.o,rds, a
governing commission,
If it is agreeable, I would ask the Council to
submit names before their
next regular meeting which is on March 12,
They have three cities
selected. I understand their first choice is --
Toluca, The March 12th
meeting will be at eight o'clock in City Hall,
Councilman Towner-
Who else is going to serve on
the commission?
Mayor Barnes-
I think the advisory group will
be a member from each organization
in the City,
Councilman Towner-
What is the controlling unit?
Mayor Barnes-
It would be the commission along
with the chairman who is Judge
Johnson,plus the Board of Directors.
Councilman Towner-
Don't they have some kind of
a non profit corporation set up?
.Has that been organized?
Mayor Barnes-
They are organizing it now,
Councilman Towner- When the program first started
one of the things the Council
was in agreement on was that a non profit corporation be set up and
articles of incorporation and bylaws be established and then we have
some reserved right of approval of those and this has gone'on for
some time now and they still haven't come up with those things and I
am concerned that it is running a little too informally. I think we
should keep closer control on this,
Mayor Barnes- They are now changing the
articles to include these five
commissioners, They will get an attorney to go over these articles,
Councilman Towner- I agree with the philosophy
behind the Sister City Program
and the success it has had and the League of California Cities has
sponsored seminars on this, I at one time requested that we
receive information from them on how these organizations were set up.
I think the control should be in the elected agency and not in some
other independent organization,
Mayor Barnes- This more or less was the con -
census the other night,
Councilman Towner- If we do have that touch with it
I am in favor of going ahead,
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CITY MANAGER REPORTS
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CIVIC CENTER
Mr, Bulot - Stone & Youngberg
City Managers Mr, Aiassa:- Mr, Bulot will be here on March 2,
There are things I want to go
over with the Council before we have him come in and finalize his -
report, We had a meeting with the architects and Mr, Kay and myself,
Going over the court addition, it is about 65,800 square feet at an
average cost of $25,00 per square foot, We had not computed any
figures for furnishing or off -site improvementso We were wondering if
the Council wants'Mr, Bulot to include these,, Judge Johnson and his
committee tried to develop this court and it didn't materialize, We
have reviewed this and we have to transfer four acres of the civic
center, The County cannot use funds of the State Retirement for .
additions of existing buildings, Mr,, Bonelli advised Mr, Johnson that
there is the possibility of getting this court building built, I
talked with Mr, Bulot and he thinks if it is possible if we have a
negotiation of land between the County and the City that this could be
part of our project on a lease -option purchase and we pan lease the
facilities back to the County for so -much money, We did want to
decide as soon as possible whether or not we are going into a
regional auditorium or not. It will make a big difference, We also
have not come to any conclusions as to the off -site improvements of
the civic center. We want to know whether you want to include this
as part of this contract, We have very few cost figures on these
off -site improvements,
Mayor Barnes: Regarding the square footage, I
would like to review this with
you, , Also, "•we received- a'report ..fr h Mro Bonel_l.i stating that they
authorized the architectural and engineering fees forthis and..this .
is already being done,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
The second meeting they found
out there were no funds available,
Mayor Barnes: But the.engineering and architectural
fees were authorized, We -have
to know what is in that before we would know what the cost would be,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: My recommendation is that if you
are going to develop a civic
center you might as well include this court building,
Councilman Heath:
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
Aren't -we going into a landlord
situation?
You're not building this with
your money.. This is on lease,
Councilman Heath: We build it on lease purchase,
in other words, this is going to
take off from the amount we can put into our civic center,
City Managers Mr, Aiassa:
Not necessarily, We had the
Superior Court originally,
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CIVIC CENTER ® Continued
Councilman Snyder-. It might give us firmer foundation
to get lease purchase money
because we will have a guaranteed income-.
Mayor Barnes; If we are going to be a head®
quarter city and if we can get
this done with no co.st to the City, with our great capacity for
bonding and if this can be paid back I don't know why not,
Councilman Jett: Before I make any decision here
I was told by a member of the
court that this was going to be approved in just a matter of time
and I can't see the. -City going into this exp.ens;e when the County is
going.to go ahead with the program,
Councilman Heath-.
I can't see it either,
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: We checked this and when Mr,
Johnson had the luncheon with
Mr, Bonelli he made it quite clear that there were no funds available
and the only funds available for this were the retirement funds,
Councilman Snyder-. Maybe we can put this on our
meeting with Mr, Bonelli,
City Manager, Mr,"" i-assa-. When we first designed the civic
center the strong point was the
Superior Court, We still need a four -acre trade which the Council
authorized me to negotiate with the County, You, as a Council, are
spending about four and a half to five million dollars, Why not
control this architectural aspect also? If you don't, the County
can build whatever they want,
Councilman Heath-. I think that this authorization
for you to swap acreage with
the County was a part of the Superior Court deal which was hinged
on the fact that the Superior Court would come in, We are going to
need all our bonding capacity to build our civic center and the
regional,planning, Why go into this piece here when we are going to
need all our bonding ability on the big project? Secondly, I think
you should stick with the architect who did the balance of buildings,,
Councilman.Towner-. I think the court is going to
come somewhere and certainly
if it is.going.to come somewhere we ought to make it a part of our
governmental center, I think Pomona, for example, is doing just
this kind of thing and as a result of it they are far ahead of us in
becoming a governmental center. I think if we are going to keep in
on things at all we have to go along with this type of. governmental
program, There was the comment made this would effect our bonding
capacity; not if we do it on the lease®purchase. basis, It is
primarily a,paper work program as far as the City is concerned, It
gets us the.building and we have to handle the paper work in order to
get it,
Councilman Snyder-.
or auditorium or parks and so
capacity, we would throw out
will not hurt anything.
If it came to the point where it
was this or our own civic center
on, if it was this versus our own bonding
the court but I think on top of this it
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CIVIC CENTER - Continued
Councilman Jett: I think we would get a lot
0 further if we cooperated with
the County 'instead of trying to design a building and leasing it to
them, We know nothing about designing a courthouse and the County
would know what they want. It was enlightening today to watch Fred
Sharp works He got more stuff done and made more contacts today than
we make in two years,,
Councilman Heath: I think the City of West Covina
doesn't even stand a chance of
starting .to compete with Pomona because of their public relations,
Councilman Snyder: I have heard that about their
Councilmen, too; they are
quite dynamic,
Councilman Heath: I made the statement I don't
think we'can ever compete with
the City of Pomona, For clarification, I would like to add "under
the present organization which we have in the City at the present
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Councilman Towner: I think what we should do is to
start something affirmative here
by doing this. When we go into our meeting with Mr, tonelli we should
have this frame of mind that we feel lease purchase is a very
reasonable possibility and we feel, too, it is also a reasonable
possibility that we could coordinate, if our architect doesn't design
it, we could coordinate with our own architect to be sure what they
do or design is an integral part of our own civic center, Certainly
if we go in with that attitude or frame of mind I am sure We can
work something out with Mr. Bonelli that is mutually satisfactory,,
Councilman Jett: There are two trends of thought
on this lend lease proposition.
This is not cut and dried. I am not sold on this lend lease deal,
There is more than one opinion in this,
Councilman Snyder: I am not sold on lend lease,
either, and I have said we
shouldn't go into this without some indication from the people that
they are.for it, I don't think we have the right to go ahead on
our own on this,
Councilman.Towner: There should be a distinction
made on this particular project
because here is one that the County will pay for, not the City of
West Covina, It distinguishes itself from other lease ,purchase
arrangements that we had been considering. for building City buildings
where our own taxpayers are bypassed and we build it without their
approval, This is different, The County will build the building
and we provide the machinery,,
Councilman Heath: You're assured of an income for
as long as we have a.government
so I think there is a little difference here,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa: The auditorium is the most
important. Is this to be
municipal or regional?
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CIVIC CENTER - Continued
Councilman.Jetta My opinion is that we should go
for a regional -type auditorium,
Councilman Heath: I would go for that,
Councilman,Snyder: I would agree with that but I
think also the auditorium:should
not only be a regional but a local facility as well,
Mayor Barnes; I think that is a good idea,
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
to inform Neptune and Thomas that the Council feels a regional
auditorium is what they should plan for in the civic center,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Secondly is the swapping of
these four acres of land with
the County, They are agreeable with that,
Councilman Jett: Do they have a use for that?
City Managers Mr, Aiassa: Yes,
Councilman Jett: I am for this trade, I think
• it is what we want,
Councilman Snyder: By swapping this land it gives
us a better design pattern
whether the County .builds or not, As far as the lease option, it
seems to me we can never go into a lease option with the County unless
we have our own advisors which are Neptune and Thomas to draw up the
plano We have to have a package to sell them. It seems to to go
ahead and have these plans ready and then we have a,package to sell,
Councilman Jett.- Neptune and Thomas have already
designed the civic center
based upon acquiring this piece of property as I understand ,it. If
this is true, I think we should go ahead with the trade,
Councilman Snyder: Move that Mr. Aiassa be
authorized to continue with
his negotiations with the County for the trade of the land,
Councilman Heath: We indicated that we would swap
land quite a while ago, The
County has appropriated the money for the design of this additional
court building, What they have done so far, is it with the idea that
the land remain where it is or that it will be traded?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: They just authorized the
architect to lay out designs
so Judge Johnson would know what we were talking about in figures,
Councilman Jett; I think this is a good place for
us to assume that they are going
to build the courthouse,
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Councilman Heath:
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What property did they have in mind?
Councilman Jett: I know their plans are to put it
on the four acres down at'the
end,, I would say go ahead with the trade,
I will second Councilman
Snyder's motion,
Action on Councilman Snyder's Motion: Motion carried,
Councilman Snyder:
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
In your negotiations, who pays
for moving the parking lot?
This is going to be taken into
consideration on the swap,
Councilman Snyder-. On the last point, I think before
we can even consider lease option
with the County,,if it should ever come to pass, we have to have
something to sell so why not go ahead and have"our architect draw up
our plan that we want to sell, It doesn't cost us unless it is built:
We want a unified civic center, At least our architect should have
some leeway to work with their architect,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We did have a meeting with Mr,,
Hugh Dynes and Mr. Thompson and
Mr, Thomas and we did talk about this architectural situation. There
is a feasibility that a program could be developed if the Council wants
to go with it that, we may make some type of a swap for another
architectural project for Mr, Maurice Fleischman, The money that has
been budgeted is a very small factor. If you don't move on this
court deal we will be like we were in the Superior Court, we will
be too late. There is a movement on the Municipal Court expansion,
If we can get this facility built with civic center, tie in and
assure them there will be facilities and office spaces you do have
a bargaining agent here. I know the County would rather lease than
putting up large quantities of cash to borrow that retirement money,
Mayor Barnes: Isn't there : possibility of
you and the County and the
architect getting together on a staff level to possibly talk this
over and see if our architect can't do this architectural job without
us authorizing expenditure of certain moneys for this without County
reciprocating in some way.? I think if we can get this worked into
our civic center we can move ahead,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: That is why I want Council action
on this because if we are going
to go into this we are talking about six million dollars or better,
Councilman Jett:
I think at our meeting with Mr.
Bonelli if we could have these
layouts and give him an idea of what can be facilitated, you have the
only facility in the whole County of Los Angeles, this library, this
is the first time the County ever bought a piece of land in a.civic
center of any municipality, The library has to also be enlargened.
This is their thinking. This is already submitted'to the architect,
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Councilman Snyder: Move that. Mra.Aiassa be authorized
to, at the staff level, discuss
with the County the possibility of using.our architect plus other
alternatives in the design of the Municipal Court,
City Manager,,Mr, Aiassa: We did make computations, We are
talking.about $,1,830,000,00,
Councilman Jett.- This is something I couldn't
go along with because we don't
know what we're talking about, There are too many elements here
unknown, We don't know the County would be interested,in anything like
this, We are talking about authorizing the City.Manger to start
negotiations to use an architect to do something that we have not the
funds to go ahead and pay him to do,
Councilman Snyder: That is the purpose of the
motion, to find out the unknown
things, This is just on the staff level,
Councilman Towner: I think that is all we need to
do at this time. We do want
to have architectural control here and the experience of our neighbor
to the east is that they have joint architects, the County architects
• and somebody who actually practices architecure and they are jointly
on the project and they are paid by the County and not by the city,
Councilman Snyder: This motion does not authorize
Mr, Aiassa to iiake any final
agreements; it only authorized him to find out what is possible,
Councilman Towner: I second the: motion,
Action on Councilman Snyder's motion: Motion:carried~, (Councilman
Jett voted "No".)
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Neptune and Thomas is hired to
make a study: for the whole
civic center which includes.part of the County facilities but this is on the
large, scale, it has to be integrated, I -think we have ,good working
relations with the County, If Mr, .Bulot will be here on 'March 2 he
wants to be able to..present to the Council a pretty complete picture,
Councilman Towner: It isn't the intent to spend
the money.unless.w.,e absolutely
have to, 'We do want the coordination even if we have-to,pay for it,
AMENDMENT TO OCCIDENTAL GROUP
ANNUITY CONTRACT 6378®N
City Manager., Mr, Aiassa: You have copies of -the memo to
the City Manager from the
Director of Finance, dated February „14, 1964 re this matter. I
would like this spread in full on the Minutes:
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AMENDMENT TO OCCIDENTAL GROUP ANNUITY CONTRACT ® Continued
is"AMENDMENT NO. 2 TO GROUP ANNUITY CONTRACT NO*," 6378-N,,
CONTRACT WITH OCCIDENTAL LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY OF CALIFORNIA
FOR.RETIREMENT OF EMPLOYEES
"l. It is recommended that the City Council adopt the
subject amendment At its meeting of Monday, February 17, 196.4.
"2. By so doing, the City Council will enable the Occidental
Life Insurance Company to more rapidly give the City credit
against its annual premiums paid into the fund for retirement
of City employees.
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"3. This amendment revises Article 313 of the basic policy,
stating that the contract will be 'Experience Rated' on a
calendar basis beginning with July 1, 19629 through December 31,
1963. Thereafter, the contract will be rated on a calendar
basis as.of December 31 of each year.
"4. Occidental has revised its method of experience rating
as described in the attached materials. These attached
materials, in effect, state that Occidental will credit the
employer's portion of the premium based on investment earned
on money according to the earnings of each calendar year of
investment.
"S. To date, the City has recieved a credit of $1,427.00
to apply against the employer's premium as a result of
experience rating prior to July 1, 1962.
"6. Under separate cover I have furnished the copies of
the amendments which are to be signed by the Mayor and City
Clerk if the City Council adopts this amendment."
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that Amendment No. 2'to the Group Annuity contract to Occidental
Life Insurance Company be approved in accordance with the recommendation
of the Director of Finance subject to the approval of the City Attorney.
WATER REPORT
Mayor Barnes-.
We have all received copies of
this rpnr)rt _ T w-,, l A 1 i-1,- -.--
commend Councilman Jett on this report.
Councilman Jett-. I think one of the highlights
of the meeting was the report on
the use of reclaimed water. The San Gabriel Municipal Water District
has been attempting to obtain a contract from the County Sanitation
District for the major portion of that water that is to be reclaimed
for this purpose. This is one of the big problems of Sierra Madret
this interim water between now and 1972. They are the first ones
who have asked for this water. They have been working with.Mr..
Parkhurst to make'a committment to them that would give them the
right of first refusal on the major portion of this water. This is
the big discussion that was the other night. This fit right.in .with
our program because our major concern was this interim period.
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WATER REPORT- Continued
Another point brought out, on
this interim period, where this water would go into the :ground .and
then the recovery of it, they had a report from their attorney and
from Leeds, Hill and Jewett, an opinion, stating that they .were pure
that we would be able to put water in the underground basin and recover
it at the -point of pumping' This has been a big factor and this is
the major factor that Suburban Water was concerned with. they say we
would be able to put the water in the underground spreading ground
and recover it at the point we,pump it out. We will get a'copy of
the attorneys opinion on this.
They also talked to.the fact
that there are studies being made now with future adjudication of the
entire basin. In the interim period as soon as this reclaimed water
is available and prior to that when they have it.available they.have
to have a.sale for the°water so they want to get-together ..with the
four cities but West Covina is included so they want the five cities
to get together to make a determination of the reclaimed water we feel
we will need to supply our needs and start negotiations for
contracts for that water so that when it is available they can.go
right ahead with Mr. Parkhurst or offer the contract for it and know
in what amounts they will want to contract for.
Councilman Heath: At the sanitation meeting it
• was brought up that in back of
the City of Glendora there are six or nine hundred"acres about to
start development right now. There is a charge of $149.00 per acre
to join a sanitation district. Mr. Parkhurst has worked out a good
plan that if this entire parcel will join the sanitation district
there will be enough annexation money there to build a reclamation
plant right at the edge of this new parcel which is coming in. The
area is to be developed soon and the water can be brought into.this
reclamation plan and this is likely the water the four cities is going
to buy and this isn't too far away.
Mayor Barnes- There will:..be no additional
cost to the taxpayers°
Councilman Jett: There was a considerable dis-
cussion on,,the problem in
reference to the filing of the application and with the hearing on
the County local formation committee and who.was to assume.,some of
these costs. We agreed to go ahead and spend three or four hundred
dollars necessary with the tax consultant to bring our assessed
valuation up to date but I felt that they should.be.gin now'to.absorb
some of these costs as, we go along and.start giving us some help
instead of letting us do all the work.
Councilman Heath: Where -do. we stand on this
annexation information?
Councilman Jett:
It comes ri;.ght back to us on
this legal description. At
this meeting I asked why we were-not.bef.ore them with an application
for a hearing and they said "you .haven't furnished us the legal.
description needed for the Boundary Commission". I said we have
furnished a map that outlines the boundaries.and.that we understood
this was sufficient and they said no, absolutely.not. They said Mr.
Aiassa knew about this,. that they had discussed it with him;.that
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WATER REPORT - Continued.
Page Thirteen
they need the legal description of these areas and until they have
that and get it approved by the Boundary Commission there is no use
to file because we can't have a hearing until after that is approved,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I made an appointment..with
County Engineering handling
most of these type of annexations and Mr. Dosh and myself sent
Lee all the maps,, I told them to 'bring -back the legal material,- I
received a phone call this afternoon that we can file these maps,
Councilman Jett: There seems to be an area here
where we are not getting the
thought to one another or something because what,I have.said.they
said the Boundary Commission turned down our map because it..did not
contain the legal description, A map and a legal description are
two different things.,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa: Mr, Jett and I discussed this
with the San Gabriel Valley
Municipal Water'District, We sent them the maps and the legal
descriptions and tracings as requested by Mr. Mitts, the Coordinating
Member of the local planning agency of the County. This agency
does not review maps but at that time there was an indication.there
might have been`,, small sliver of land that could be left out that
could be a conflict. We discussed this with Mr. Williams and he said
use the same description as we had used for MWD application, We
did and I took the map and the legal description personally to the
County Engineers, We went over all the basic requirements, They
called me today saying that it is satisfactory. We should file these
maps now because the.group.who reviewed them are working on the.,
Councilman Jett:
I would recommend me file these
maps,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: There are general provisions.
You have all received copies
of this, This is the actual physical application of the written
items to be presented to the local planning agency, They have made
changes from our original. You have received copies of this. Are
there any corrections or additions.? This has to be accepted, Mr.
Williams looked this over,but we have complied .with the law,
Councilman Jett:
I think.we have done as good
,.a job as can be done on that,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: This procedure,was submitted
originally by the. -Council to
the San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District as our application
but they will be making the application so we should accept this
as their form of application because they -will be making.it for us,
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett,.and carried,
to accept this form of application to be made on the City of West
Covina's behalf.by the San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water'District,
City Manager,.Mr,, Aiassa: Mr, Williams made one more
point this afternoon. He
talked to Mr, Thompkins, Mr, Thompkins advised Mr,.Williams he will
advise the Board of the San Gabriel.Valley Municipal Water District
to proceed with the.annexation but -not close it until validation of
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WATER REPORT - Continued
• the water contract. Mr, Williams. thinks it will be a few months
before they get through this local planning commission,
Councilman Jett: There is a meeting in Bakersfield
on the 27th and this.is.,a
contractors meeting, We have been informed there are going, to be
some pretty important requests coming up involving,matters we. -are
interested in, I plan to attend that and I would .like to have
authorization from the Council to go.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that Mr.
Jett be given authorization to attend the water meeting in Bakersfield
on February 27, 1964 with,the expenses paid, Motion passed on roll
call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder,'Mayor Barnes
Noes.: None '
Absent: None
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Along -with that report, you got
the proposed questionnaire we
sent them, There is an item of some money, seven to nine thousand
dollars that the City must raise for the 'election,
Councilman Jett: I told them I didn't feel we
should attempt to raise this
money until after they have filed this and we have had an indication
from the local agency formation committee whether they are going to
approve our application.
Councilman Snyder:
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
VICTOR GRUEN
Statement ($141.0.0)
City Managers Mr. Aiassa:
I think we should hold this,
They want you to be aware of
this,
There is an expense of $141.00
for Statement No. 3. You all
received copies of this,
Motion by Councilman.Heath, seconded by.Councilman Jett, that the
expense of $141.00 for Statement No. 3 be paid. Motion passed on
roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner,
Noes: None
Absent: None
VICTOR GRUEN
Vincent Avenues Interchange
Mayor Barnes:
Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
I am waiting for a recom-
mendation from Mr. Marks,
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VICTOR GRUEN (VINCENT AVENUE INTERCHANGE) - Continued
•
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:,
We spent almost two hours going
over every plan you could con-
ceive, Mr, Marks, myself and
the State Division representatives. They
have come to one conclusion;
they don't want to do anything until
they actually formulate this
Center Street condemnation. Mr. Hoig will
not bend one direction or the
other until ;the decision on Center Street
is made, They have to testify
on the witness stand that this land will
be used for the interchange,
Mayor Barnes:
Do you recommend we hold off?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
There is no choice, This comes
up next month, They have also
hired a third appraiser,
,Mayor Barnes:
I think it is agreeable with
the Council that we hold this
off as Mr. Aiassa recommends,
Councilman Snyder:
This does not make it impossible
to do something about Vincent
Avenue later but we shouldn't
talk about it now, is that true?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
I think we should have another
meeting with the State represen-
tatives as soon as we get this Center Street thing pretty well taken
care of,,
Mayor Barnes:
VICTOR GRUEN
Eastland Business District
I think that is agreeable with
the rest of the Council,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: You asked me where I could get
the funds for the traffic study
here, You all have copies of a memo.,directed to me.from the'Director
of Finance re this matter. It is dated February 14, 1964, I would
like this spread in full in the Minutes: `
"'SOURCE :OF FUNDS FOR $149000 CONTRACT FOR VICTOR GRUEN TRAFFIC
STUDY'OF EASTERLY AREA
"l, You have requested to be advised of sources.of.availa°ble
funds for the subject traffic study, It is. recommended that
the necessary funds be.appro:pria ed out ,of the Traffic Safety
Fund,
°12-, There is presently unappropriated in the'
Traffic .Safety Fund , , , , , , , , , , , , , , $ 7,791, 59
"Additionally., there is an unexpended balance
left from Project C-167, Merced and Walnut
Street Improvements, of , , , , , oo , , , , , , $ 79677,55
"Thus, it is estimated there is available for
further obligation in the Traffic Safety
Fund a total amount of , , , , , , , , , , , $159469,14"
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VICTOR GRUEN (EASTLAND BUSINESS DISTRICT) Continued
• Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded'by Councilman Towner, that
$149000,00 be transferred from.Traffic Safety Fund and from the
unexpended portion of Project C-167 for the Victor druen.study in
the Eastland area as outlined in the memorandum of the Director of
Finance on February 14, 1964, Motion passed,on roll call as follows:
Ayes Councilmen Towner, Jett, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes.- 'Councilman Heath
Absent.- None
Councilman Snyder.- Shouldn't we take everything out
of C-167 and leave the balance
in the Traffic'Safety Fund?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.- This is probably what finance
will do.
VICTOR GRUEN
Project C-60®1
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.- You have received copies of a
memorandum -directed to me from
Mr, Dosh dated February 17, 1964 re this matter, I would like this
spread in full in the Minutes:
"Project C-60-1 - Landscaping
"Account'No, 121-6435
"The City is presently taking bids for Project C.-60-1 and will
award a contract om Monday, February 24. The,area concerned
involves landscaping for the large traffic island, Present
plans call for the island to, be surfaced,with asphalt,
"In discussion with the City staff, consideration should be
given to the possibility of landscaping the island, in
.accordance with the_attached:map.,, Estimates are as follows,
labor costs to be assumed.by the City forces.-
"Installation of irrigation system-6 landscaping
materials $478.34
"Less approximate savings or reduction of
contract for C-60-1 (elimination of asphalt)-261,25
"Net additional cost (+cost:of City labor) $217,09
"We anticipate the maintenance costs to be negligible since
we would be utilizing a water main'in Glendora Avenue and the
landscaping materials themselves will be of
a,, maintenance
typed
"RECOMMENDATION: That $500 be allocated from, IOff Street
Projects Funds for landscaping,, The total cost to the City
will be significantly less; however, the.Gas;Tax money which
we -are saving cannot be used for irrigation,systems9 etc.
Funds are available in the Off Street,Projects account for this
work,"
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VICTOR GRUEN (PROJECT Cm60-1) m Continued
Public Services Director, Mr, Dosh-.
Councilman Jett-.
Public Services Director, Mr. Dosh-.
Page Seventeen
(Presented map and explained
same.)
I would question putting trees
out there because that will be
a heavily travelled street.
We are not going to plant bushes;
they will be trees.
Councilman Towner-. Let's make it conditional that
adequate provision be made for
traffic safety, They are answerable to us that.you can see over or
under them,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that
the recommendation on Project C®60m1, landscaping, be approved in
accordance with the recommendation of the Public Services Director
with the condition that adequate provision be made for traffic
safety. Motion passedon roll call as follows
Ayes-. Councilmen Towner, Jett, -Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes-. None
Absent. None
LIGHTING PROGRAM LAD 64-1
City Manager, Mr..Aiassa-.
City Manager and the City
re Lighting District No,
like this spread in full
I have reports for you. This
memorandum is. -directed to the
Council from R. E. Pontow, City --Engineer,
2 and is dated February 17, 1964, I.would
in the Minuies-.
"The City Council has in the past indicated to the staff
their feelings relative to the need for adequate street
lighting throughout the City. Because of the Council°s
action, Street.Lighting District No. 1, which was for
the unlighted areas north of the Freeway, was Icreated
and sub.s,equently completed.
"The staff is now ready to design the second stage of the
overall project, which is to install lights in.all un
lighted areas of the City. -south of the Freeway, west of
Lark Ellen. (See attached brochure,) A good portion of the
area involved already has lights, and those proposed will
fill in the unlighted areas.
"Copies of the attached brochure will be mailed out to all
properties affected. Included with the booklet will be a
card, on which the property owner may indicate a .preference
for or .against the improvements. As soon as the cards have
been returned and the results analyzed, a report will be
prepared for Council review,
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LIGHTING PROGRAM LAD 64-1 - Continued
Page Eighteen
• "Recommendations.- It is the recommendation of the City
Engineer that the City Council approve the attached brochure
and authorize the staff to proceed with the design of Street
Lighting District No. 2, The cost of brochure printing and
mailing will be approximately $300.00, to be paid from Street --
Lighting Fund #141, and charged to Lighting District LAD 64-1.11
Motion by Councilman Snyder,,seconded by Councilman Heath, that the
staff be authorized to proceed as recommended in the,memo of R. E.
Pontow of February 17 on Lighting Program LAD 64-Land that the'
expenditure of $300.00 for the printing of the brochure be authorized.
Motion passed on roll call as follows.-
Ayes-. Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder,,Mayor Barnes
Noes-. None
Absent-. None
PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa-. you received a memo from the
Planning Commission regarding
this.- Read memo re this matter.)
. Councilman Snyder-. Is the problem going to be
solved by, in effect, getting
more people? It still seems to me all the policy making as far as
they are authorized to go still lies with Mr. Joseph,) Do we need
somebody at his .level as well as down Lower or just helpers?
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City Manager, Mr. Aiassao Looking at the work load and
the amount of work to be done
it is surprising to know. that the specialty of the type of work done
or to be done isn't the type that is clerical; it's mostly a
supervisor's level. We were thinking of a planning assistant who
will be coordinating the department. We would like someone to do
advance planning and someone to.do current planning.
Councilman Snyder-. you can plan with draftsman,
You have to have educated
planners.
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa-. Most of the time is, spent in
discussion with people who come
in with problems.
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Councilman Jett-. You're talking about planning.
The question in my mind, the,
people who plan are the people who are going to develop and build
and do these things, The way you're talking here you are going to go
out and -advance plan this City before anyone comes in and wants to
..build,
City Manager,,Mr, Aiassa-. These people will be handling
deep lot studies and things of
this nature.
C. Co 2/17/64 Page Nineteen
PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL - Continued
• Councilman Heath.- Mr,, Joseph said you were planning
to do advanced planning.-
Planning'Director, Mr. Joseph-. yes,, This report we sent out
to you Shows a ptoposedJ
organization. We have also prepared for you and sent out to you a sheet
of the assignments that have been made to us and since that time
we have had other assignments given tows,,
Councilman Jett.- We instructed the Planning Com-
mission to study the sign
ordinance and I see it on your Minutes as being held over,,
Planning Director, Mr,, Joseph.- We have prepared what we
considered to be a maximum time
allotment chart and according.to this chart we would need in the
Planning Department between four and five additional personnel,, We
have also prepared the minimum manpower chart which we haven't
ditributed to you yet,, It shows with the current staff we have
right now almost every single bit of time is in administration,,
This is the problem that we are facing in the office, that all the
time that we are supposed to be devoting to planning projects of a
long-range nature and certainly parking is one of them, we find we
get so bogged down in administration that the two men we have under
current planning are just doing current planning.- Whemever they
have a chance they move on to these other projects.
The result of the problem is this-.
That by this minimum manpower chart you will find that the parking
and signs and everything else the City Council and the Planning
Commission and the Panning"Department and the City Manager want are
going to stretch out even longer because there is no time to do it,,
Councilman Jett.- When I was trying to find out
why it took three weeks to
approve a building permit, in that conversation Mr,, Dosh and Mr,,
Joseph were.present and one or two others, but in that meeting I
asked you, Mr,, Joseph, how Long it took your department to approve a
building permit once it was submitted to you and you said from ten
to twenty minutes and this particular building permit had been before
your office for nine days,, I said if the approval only takes you
ten to twenty minutes how in the world could you justify holding it
up for nine days,, Mr. Dosh made the statement at that time, "If they
did this job as soon as it came in before them they wouldn't have
anything,left to doA9 and I said "Are you telling me they.,haven°t
anything to do?"
Public Services-birector, Mr,, Dosh.- I probably said it in jest,,
particularly if Mr. :Joseph
was there,,
Councilman Jett.- If they haven't any more to do
youare doing the planning of the City,, than that, I don°t see where
Councilman Snyder.- I am sure Mr,, Dosh meant this
in jest,, This proves one thing;
you don't dare joke in public life because most people don't have
that much sense of humor,,
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT,PERSONNEL o Continued
• Councilman Jett.- This was not said in jest because
this is a question I have'had in
my mind for some time, why aren't these things.being accomplished in
the Planning Department that we requested to be done,. They are set
aside and then they come up with studies on ordinances, changing all
the ordinances and we find out they have spent hours, hours and hours
and they get these ordinances and they bring them to us for approval
and we look at them and we are in a pick Le right now, The Brutaco
development we approved Rm3 and R-2 there, When we approved that
you permitted in the R-2 zone 15 units, Now they are only allowed 10.
When we approved the R-3A and the R-,3B they were allowed from 30 units
up to 45 units or more, Now they are cut down to 25 units, They are
in a sweet pickle, They will have to come back before the Council
for variances or what -,have -you, When the Planning Department gets,down
and starts doing the work the City Council requests and'directs them
to do and they need.additional help I would be in'favor of giving
it at that time.but.until they do, I am absolutely against spending
any more money plus the fact I think we should bring our Police
Department up to full strength before we'spend any money in any other
area,
Councilman Snyder.- This chart pretty well answers
your questions, Mr. Jett,
because obviously as Mr, Joseph has indicated all they have had time
• to do is those immediate projects like zoning and most of the projects
we have given them to do, some 20 of them, they have obviously had to
get to them as they could, When more immediate projects came in
they had to lay them aside, They couldn't do anything else and
your manpower thingright there tells you that that many people
couldn°t do it even if they didn't sleep,
Councilman Jett.- You can put all kinds of hours
down on paper but'I still say
the job of the Planning Department is when some builder or subdivider
brings in something their job is to sit down, look it over,'not to
plan it, Our Planning Department -is not paid to plan something for
the individual, If they are doing this, fine; if they are not. -we
had better.do some checking into,this, The Council had better find
out where the money is being spent,
Councilman Snyder.- I think the job is to indicate
whether the zoning fits with
our General Plan, and it has been adopted, and whether the planning
fits with our ordinances. They are not planning it; they are merely
telling them whether or not it fits with our ordinances. It is
.their job to draw up new ordinances which will develop the standards
that we want in the City, I think it is an accepted fact that cities
have a right to plan, Throughout the country this is no longer an
area of conflict, It has been accepted and it is done. It is part
.of the American way of life,
Mayor Barnes.- I can see where they need
another planning assistant
but he shouldn't be on the same level as Mr, Joseph, Mr,, Joseph is
capable of being the director and I -think we have a planning assistant
down on the lower levelo We have work 'to do; they have shown us
on the chart the amount of work to be done and this is the type of
man We need.
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL - Continued
Councilman Jett- What does this chart tell you
as far as work to be done?
Mayor Barnes- It shows you manhours in projects,
Council
Councfiman Heath: I think Mr. Joseph has the facts
if he would ever put them across.
I said a long time ago that we needed help in the Planning Department
and I definitely think they do. This may not be agreed by the other
members of the Council but I feel the Planning Department needs addi-
tional help. I brought this point out at the time when we'were-dis
cussing the elapsed time it takes to get a letter out to the applicant --
after the Planning Commission has had a hearing. As you recall, it used
to be ten days after the hearing and the action became final and I
wanted it cut down to three or four days. The balance of this Council
overruled me and ran the time out rather than shortening the time. I
still feel that the man who applies should be able to get an answer in
writing from our Planning Department in a matter of days and the only
way this can be done is to put on more people. When you start having
to have an applicant wait 15 or 20 days before he even gets a formal
statement of what happened at his hearing, I think this is absolutely
ridiculous. I think there is more help needed. I think it.is needed
in getting out the paper work relating to the hearings and getting it
out sooner. I concede the fact that there are a lot of things we ask
to be studied and if you put the present staff to work on the present
current work there is no way they can do this other work. I am in agree-
ment they need more men, I think they should take whatever men they need
or whatever staff they need to get these notices out of what has happened
in a meeting,
Mr. Joseph- We were asked by the Planning
Commission to prepare a work
chart. They asked us for a statement as to whether we need more people.
We wrote back a -memo saying we needed more people and gave the reason.
We listed the continued growth of the City of West Covina, building per-
mits, precise plans, zoning matters, land area, reports that are being
requested of us, and we said we haven't had an increase in staff. We
are doing with the same amount of people the work and we are asked to
do a lot more. The Planning Commission said to the Planning Department
that that wasn't the information they wanted. They agreed that we need
more staff but they want to find out how much staff we need, portray
this in a businesslike fashion on a manpower chart which is recognized
as being worthwhile in private industry.
Ray Windsor and I sat down and
put down everything,
every single matter assigned to us at.this time,
which does not include
a billiard parlor report which we are now doing
nor including special
subdivision studies such as the Clarke thing that
came up tonight. We
were conservative in this. The Planning Commission
wondered if we can do
some of the work in the hours we said we could do
it and I think we can
because we conscientiously apply ourselves in the
Planning Department.
We set down in black and white
the jobs given to us,
the amount of manhours necessary to accomplish
these jobs and wound
up with the total hours available with the
present manpower, the
difference between the total hours available
and what is being asked
of the Planning Department and we allocated
this into manpower.
We went through 1964 and into 1965 and we have
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL - Continued
Page Twenty -Two
Mr. Joseph - Continued:
• q perform the kind. of work y y of d1 -
.total hours required to the1Cits"Council_.��
come u with what we consider to be a reasonable
and the Planning Commission of this City are asking of a professional
Planning Department. We set this down for you in -black and white'°"'We
made footnotes for you. We showed you how we came up with the"hourso
We noted if you even said yes to this tonight and it would take -some-'"
where -between three and four months -to recruit people so this chart is
out -dated before it starts. We also indicated that the administration
hours are a little bit low because the zoning case load has been in_,._
creasing, 'Zoning cases require a lot of attention. We think we Have
justified between four and a half and five people added to the present
staff.
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We went further and said all.
right, let's assume we don't get any more people in the Planning De-
partment, This other chart takes you to 1966 and this is the work
that the City Council and the Planning Commission want and the staff
wants to do but you know where all activity is? It's right down in
daily routine office matters and it's down in preparation of zoning
cases, and when you want work and projects and studies and reports"'
and signs and parking and east end studies and general design of cer-
tain areas of the City, well, you're not going to get'ita' If you are
going to get it you're going to wait a long, long time -because there
is no manpower in that Planning Department that can do it and I would
defy anybody to suggest that this is unrealistic, that the number of
tasks given to us was not given to us, I would say on the basis of
being corrected or perhaps even stronger that these figures are low
and in our opinion, and that'is what you are asking for, our opinion,
we can require between four and a half and five more people to.do
the jobs which we now know we have to do.
Councilman Jett: I'm sure in your opinion you
could justify 20 employees
but I want you to justify it to my satisfaction because I am going
to have to vote to raise the money to give it to you and I want to
know some for instances, On the commercial parking study, 210 hours
in January, February, March -and April. What do you propose? We
hired men during Christmas vacation supposedly to make this study
for us. What are you going to study for us?
Mr. Joseph:
The people you hired before the
Christmas holiday, 15 students
from Cal Poly, went out and made a complete set of field investiga-
tions. These are on 288 aerial maps in the City of West Covina. We
prepared.a five -page outline of how we would like to proceed with the
Planning Commission. We gave it to them twice and told them this is
the work we are going to be doing. The purpose of this is to find
out if the current parking ratio of the City of West Covina is
realistic, We are making a report for the Planning Commission.
We will use 210 hours every month for the next four months to take
this information that was supplied to us by these
people out in the field and analyze this information. We are making
a comparison of the precise plans approved; we are trying to find
out where parking was strong, where it was weak, why it was this way
what.was required by the City, why was it required by the City at
periods of the history of the community, where are we now. We are
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL o Continued
trying to make a decision based upon fact -and we are trying to suggest
to'the Planning Commission that when they get a report it is a
complete report and,they will have all the iriformation at .their
disposal that we think they -will need in order to make an;i-ntelli.gent
recommendation to the City Council. If we have only one mart workng-
on it it will 'be stretched out. With `more. people added to the. staff �
'more people can be applied to itand.get the report out fa$'ter,
Councilman .Jett. Would you say that 1�540 hours
that you have for the month of
January and you'have a total number of employees in your office of
three, then those employees are working 510 hours,a month?
Planning Directon, Mr.. Joseph. This shows if we were to.do
the work that.the Planning
eommission'and the City.Council'are a'skirig us to do it would require
19540 hours, 'We are saying that.we only put in in the -month of
January 780 hours. This is. what the staff can dog leaving a difference
of 760 hours yet to be filled or else the project gets struck out
further arid -further down the line.
Councilman Snyder. Thereis no indication that there
has been any cutting down'of
'Work load given to the staff, We continue to give it to theme I.
think the fear they might run out of work is out of place.
Councilman Jett. If you are in -and out of this
City Hall as:much as I have
been'and seen the staff sitting and standing around9 I-hay.e'never'
seen anyone in this City Hall overworked,
Councilman Snyder.
City staff than many other cities.
must not be doing anything at all
instead of being.conservative and
cut it in half the number of hours
men, I think since we can't hire
hire) two men that can 'do the work
best serve you?
I don't agree with that. Per
capita we have a much lower
If -what you say is true, they
in those other cities. ;Ev-en
he was being liberal,. even if, you
required, he would 'still need two
five that he wants then we have to
of five, What. type of ;men ,would
Councilman Jett. -If you're :going to ,put on
additional men in the ,Planning
`Department I want to rescind my vote on approval of this .Victor
GrueniexgenditUre o.n• the east part of town If we are going to
hire' -men to the planning I am not going to vote,one.dime to hire
;professional planners 'to come in, If we- ar,e going to do this, . take
my vote back from this Victor Gruen deal, I am not going,to spend
money` for two 'things,
Councilman Heath. I think Mr,. Joseph presented the
case finally the way it should
have been presented in the beginning. I do feel that there.are•a
couple of items on'.here that are a little padded and, of course, this
is- a difference of opinion, I can't see --annexation study where you
are. going to spend 86 and a half hours every month,:for the res--6 of the
year because we don't have that many annexations going,. I thinkon
the sign ordinance to come -out with 320 hours of study and.so forth,
I think some of them,are padded. However, I do believe that there `
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL -.Continued
is more help needed. If no place else, to get notices out to these
people who have made an application. If we take on a heavy crew
to take care of the present load, pretty soon we are caught up and
there is no work, I think there should be a couple of people',hired
for the Department anyhow and'see'if it doesn°t work out., If you
.grant some additional.help they'are going -to be watched, as you can--
rea-lize, and it .wouldn't be goo'd-to have any of them loafing around.
I think there should•: be a couple of people put on to see if we can
come out of this' scramble and see where we stand after that,
Councilman Towner. T-hey.have a twofold problem,
One',is the current backlog -which
is a combination result of the heavy workload and added to that we
have had an unusual number of referrals for special projects to the
Planning Department, In addition to that, we have the specter hanging
over us, good or bad, of additional snowballing of this new filing
in the'City. of West Covina, Mr, Fowler indicates to me we can
anticipate dnother record year, perhaps as much as one-third more
in our current filings, I think we do have a real serious manpower
problem on our hands as far as the Planning personnel goes. I. think
probably the best thi'ng,we-can do.,with this recommendation is to
refer it to the Personnel Commission and'the City Manager and have
them'.work out the: job classifications to fill the job's .that will
best do it, perhaps give us the complete rundown on job cl'assi-.
fications and salary levels and then we can work from there, Then
we have something a little more concrete.r Having this in mind,
that authorization -is just the first step and it will take from two
to six months to fill the jobs and these are going Ito go over in the
next fiscal year, apparently,
Councilman Snyder: I,think this is critical and
we should ask the Personnel
Department and the City Manager to get on it with all dispatch.
Mayor Barnes: I would like to have you.carry.
one message; I know Mr,, Joseph
needs assistants who can take over.in his absences but`I think this
Planning Assistant,.men who actuallydo the work and are actually
in -there with his supervision as to how .it'should be done, I am
sure this type of man is a capable man ands I would like to see that
the Personnel -Board take.this_into consideration when they consider
these additional men, We can always get too heavy on the top and
we' don't have a-iiybody to do the work,
Councilman Snyder. -
over when Mr, Joseph is gone, I don't
thing, You ha:Ve to have a man who is
just put onadditionalworkers all the
compelation of material will still be
have someone capable of doing.thiso
I think you're making too much
emphasis on the point of taking
think this is the important
trained as a planner. If you
final decisions and
up to Mr, Joseph, You have to
City.Manager, Mra Aia.ssa: The Planning Commission has
given you two items here. They
are. saying this, and I. think it is properly put, either hire -the
number of personnel indicated herein or adjust the schedules
a:ccordingl.y, You have an option and:it is up to the Council to
determine how important these schedules are
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL Continued
Councilman Snyder: I think they are.important,
Mayor Barnes: I talked to the Chairman of the
Planning Commission and they
were going to make certain recommendations after we had asked for
all these things, I think they are going to have a realistic program
on what they feel from our indication is the most essential, isn't
that true?
Planning Director,, Mr., Joseph: Yes,
Councilman Snyder: I would rather put on the
personnel and see the jobs
get done because most of them have been lagging too far now,
Councilman Jett: There is nothing that has been
said here that has.justified
Any additional men as far as I'm concerned, I haven't heard anyone
say any reasons why yod think he needs them for a specific instance,
Councilman Snyder:
not counting the advanced planning,
Mr. Heath said we needed them
just to get out the reports,
Councilman Jett: I can't understand" whoa you would
put in 66 and one-half hours on
reorganizing indexes, illustrations, 53 hoursq et cetera, The Planning
Department should be planning for the future or what is being proposed,
We don't even have lots of these things,
Councilman Snyder: Speaking to the industrial area,
this is not only existing but
,po.ssible potential, Minneapolis -Honeywell was put in on the.recom-
mendation of -,,the Planning Department that wasn't even in existence
as far as zor ing on the land but ,,We were aware of a Planning
Department recommendation,
Councilman Jett: You're saying that we don't
need to hire these outside
planning consultants to come in and tell .us what to dog our present
plan'ning.staff is capable?
Councilman Snyder: I think we need, both,
Councilman Towner: Suppose we do abolish the.Gruen
study on traffic on,the east
end of the City, All of us Are well aware of the Gruen .staff time
they put in on the central business district. Assume the load is
somewhat similar on the east end and.assume that instead of giving
that to Gruen we gave it to our local staff. I think you have a
pretty good picture in your mind there of what might happen in time
consumption, These special studies do require a, lot of time, I think
we need them and they are helpful, We would like to have as much of
these done by,.our own staff as possible and not go to the outside
contractor and hire them and have them done on a continuous basis
locally, I think if we are going to ask for that kind of study, the
only thing We can do is beef up the manpower, I don't think it is
a matter of just putting bodies in the Planning Department; we need
qualified professionals, men who have the basic background and who
can be subject to the supervision of the Planning Director and carry
on professional -type studies,
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'PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ® Continued
Councilman Heath: The justification in my mind is
this: Let us assume thatthis
chart is padded, and I believe I've pointed out a few cases where''I
think it is padded; let us say it is padded 50`%. This means' that
instead of hiving 1,500 hours you have about 19000 hours per month..
If you divide 173 into the thousand you come out'with'exactly'six
employees. We have four employees in the Department right now so my
recommendation -of raising it two employees -is based on these numbers
of 173`' hours 'a montYi into 1,000 ,hours a month and this still doesn't
take care'of Speeding.up`the delivery of these papers and notifications
to the'appTicants`.
Councilman Snyder: I think the weight of opinion is
that we need•two more people and
I think we should go ahead on this basis.
Councilman Towner: Move that we refer to the City
Manager `and the Personnel
Department the task of job classification for two authorized positions
iw the'Planniig Department, provide us with the job titles and
classifications so�we can take the action on it.
Councilman Heath: When does the Personnel Board
meet?
Councilman Snyder:
Commission to meet together and come
Mayor 'Barnes:
Would it be advisable for the
Personnel Board and the Planning
up with a solution.'
I don't think so on this type
of 'classificationo"
Councilman Towner: I think we have to start immediately
in'the recruitment :process
because before you can recruit you have to know what you are recruiting
for; ..
Councilman Heath:1 If you need the men, .get therm
now. Let's not let it -:go to
next year's budget.
Councilman Snyder: I would agree with that.
Councilman Towner: The first step is to get the
job classifieations drawn up
.and the things ready to go out on the recruiting a.nd they can start
the recruiting program. If they find the men'bef,ore the -next fiscal
year, we will :'find* the money. j
Councilman:Heath:
Planning .'Director, PMr. .Joseph:
Councilman Snyder:
Do you .know what you would want
if you were given'two men?
Yes.
If you put in two planners.are
you ;going to require an . extra
draftsman and secretary?
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PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL m Continued
Planning Director'„Mr,, Joseph-.
We have discussed this in the
pasta We think working with.the
City Manager we can come up. with
something that will,,probably do the
trick,
Action on Councilman Towner's motion-. Motion seconded by Councilman
Snyder$ and, carried,, (Councilman Jett .Voted "No",).
Councilman.dett-.
I want to change my vote on
this Victor Gruen approval,, How
doI go about it?
Councilman Heath-
Why don't you make a motion
restating. the motion in a
negative 'form.?
Councilman Snyder-.
Is the contract signed?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
Yes,,
Councilman Jett-.
I want to change my vote. It
may not change,;the;..outcome but
I want to change my vote,, I cannot justify spending money for a
study when you ,are going to hire
additional men to do the.thing you
are talking about,, I want to change
it because I am:not,,going,to
spend money, for both of them and
they are not needed; You.can't
justify t;' .no.b,ody . has justified 'it;
not one of you has,
Councilman Snyder-.
Victor. Gruen is making a study
in a specialized field., which; ,
is traffic circulation and I don't
think this falls wit:i.n,.the
province of .a:planner,,. This is where you are going to'requ.ire.an
outside consultant that requires
specialized studip's, I don't,think
we can afford to;k,eep top traffic
men in the ,Planning Department on
a permanent 3a.s s so obviously when you need this :.or.mar.ke,ting
information for. apartments, you cant
keep an economic,anal,ysis: in
the'Planning Department on a permanent basis,,: This is agood:indi®
`of
cation where you are .going, to
have outside help ,and., you .can't .g.et
away from it.:a .
Councilman Towner,-.
Wash out outs.ido professional
consultants and I.' thine' it would
be more in the realm.of planning
to knockout the'�outside study on.,
Glendora Avenue,.too,
;
Councilman Jett-.
Change my vote on that, too'.
If you. fellows aren e t capable
of making a.decision, change my vote
on that, too,, I`own property
down there, too,,, .
PERSONNEL
Extension of Retirement Date
(Sears' Headley)
City Manager';Mr:, Aiassa-. We have an.employee that .is going
to retire on February .21, He
would like to continue working with the City., We have consistentlyi.
allowed these people to go on one-year. basis sub,ject.to physical,.
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PERSONNEL (EXTENSION OF RETIREMENT DATE) - Continued
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
to accept the recaminendation of the Personnel Board a'nd'grant'this
man a one-year extension subject to his supplying a physical approved
by the City of West Covina,
PROJECT RW-6331 .
Amended affidavit of value
(Harrison Baker,,Jr,)
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I need authorization from the
Council, Mr, Sorenson called
me today and it looks like we are going to hav'e trouble with the
Japanese property, It is suggested we have another appraisal. I
would like authorization of the Council to engage Mra.Harrison Baker
to'.make the second appraisal. According to Mr, Sorenson and Mr, Cox
there is an implied taking there that is going to be a rough thing
in court and he wants it to be clearly identified by two appraisals
and not just one,
Councilman Jett: I think you had better have two
appraisals,
Councilman Heath: I think if the`Council 'would
hold off on this for a couple
of weeks that:ma.ybe some other realtor who is not,gn the Council
and impartial might be able to'resolve this for them,
Councilman Jett: This is 'goirig.'for::court because
we have already taken'it. The
filing has already been made.
Motion by Councilman Towner,,,seconded by Councilman Snyder, that
Harrison Baker, Jr. be••'author-ized to.perform a second appraisal on
the Japanese Associatioh- property, not to exceed $1,000.00. Motion
passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen,.Towner, Jett, Snyder, Mayor'B'arnes
Noes: Councilman'Heath
Absent: None`
ROGER ROELLE BUILDING
City Manager,.Mr>,Aiassa: We have Mr., Wihliamt' opinion
on Mr, Roger_,Roellees case,
Public Services.Director9 Mr, Dosh: I talked to..Mra-Roelle.this
morning-and`Mr, Williams told
us that he couldn't be here tonight and that it would be better to
lay off:.until the meeting.when Mr, Williams is here because Mr.
Williams wrote the report on this case and will have to advise the
City.Council himself, All we are.doing is relating secondhand
information from.Mr, Williams, Mr, Roelle agreed to holding this,
Mayor Barnes: I think this'is agreeable with
the Council,
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ROGER ROELLE BUILDING ® Continued
Page.Twenty®Nine.
.Councilman Heath: If any :member of "the" YCouncil
gets over to that„:area,. they,
ought to look at the way the"se planters are.being kept`up, in front
of Barker Brothers, ` and I wonder if we are creating something I --think
if we hold it over we should agree to.get to it next'Monday night.
City .Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Ve will have it .put ,hi,gh on the
agenda.
PERSONNEL
List of doctorsfor industrial accidents
Councilman Snyder: I think you. should ask State
Comp if they can't furnish you
with the name of a general practitioner or an industrial surgeon in
the City of West Covina. I am not doing this for myself because I
can't do it but'I can see some problems with all these specialists.
I think you„should :have more general practitioners.
Councilman Towner: I agree with that theory. 'It is
certainly better in.,my mind
to send a man to a,general practitioner and then refer him to a'
specialist if needed. I'think also there are other,doctors available
and the list could be expanded substantially if they want too If they
want a list of'other doctors, I can give it to them,'"doctors that
I have.approVed to do industrial medical examinations for the,cgurt.
Councilman Snyder:
Mayor Barnes:
Councilman Towner:
The insurarice company itself
should accept it and approve
Councilman Snyder:
You have `to get permission of
State Comp to expand the list.
Couldn't we adopt this group
tonight and then ask for an
expansion of this?
There is nothing .the City,
reeds'to do in this respect,
is the on who controls this but .we
it and establish it as City ,policy;.,
But we should ask for additional
general practitioners.
Motion by 'Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder,.and carried,
that the amended list'of doctors for industrial accidents be approved
and a policy of referral to those doctors be enacted.
GEORGE ODLE CASE
Councilman Heath:
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa:
Can I ask fora report on where
we stand on the George Odle case?
Yes.
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CITY MANAGER REPORTS ® Continued
• SANITARY LAND FILL
(Home Savings 8. Loan)
City Manager,;Mr, Aiassao Regarding this -matter, we have,
a memo.drected::to the City
Manager.'and the City Council dated February 174'.1964_.from R,,,E,
Pon,tow, I would'like this- spread in full in the Minutes.,
"This is in regard to Home Savings and'Loan Association's
letter dated February*.' 1964, relative to` Unclassified Use
Permit #71., specifically, as regards the operation of.land
reclamation projects in Annexation #1580
"We discussed B,K,,K. Company's.landfill proj;.ects with three
.County agencies, the County Engineer, County, Road:, Department.
.and Sanitation District,.. All three departments felt,.that
the BoK,K, Co, performed a satisfactory jobi.on.sites,they have
completed in the pastor sites they'are currently.: working on
";Members of.this'department physically toured the current
site the B,`K.oK;" ,Co, has in progress in th"e',�Oounty' area
.adjacent to Torrance' The .project is a'. considerable,"under-
takin' However, they appear�to be performing:a..diffi6ult'
task quite well. The site was completely `observed .- from,, one
• ll
end, -to the other along with'the'actual filling and.cowering
operation,
"Recommendation-. It is the recommendation of t11e�City Engineer,'
t at, the iay of West Covina approve the B.K.K. Coe ,as the
proposed lessee and operator for the land reclamation
projects covered' under Unclassified Use, Permit;.#71:a It is
further, recommended that Condition #:21 of Resolution,,425.70
b'e adhered to; .thdt is 9 that`' the lessee file.'with ;the City
. , of , W sit Covina an affidavit that he is aware of and accepts
all, o,f the obligations of 'the` Unclassified: Use ' Permit .:#71, "'
Mayor Barnes. I checked ;this company out with
the men who do arI`1: the .,work ;for
my company and all the work for Los Angeles" County;. Schools., and this
'is supposed: to 'be the "best independent concern tothat they diste ribut, 'The the
,., Y..,sa Y y' are very capable, ...
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman.Snyder. and
.carried, that the request of Home Savings and Loan in
,ThO regardce sanitary land`fill'.be e apprrved 'in accordancwith
aton of our staff,
.Councilman Snvder-o I have an-expr.ession'of
concern from :`,some ;;people that
when.we had'the.long controversy over,the 'problem. of the' dump sites
they gave in or didn't fight it any further because we'd'id,.limit.
the size ".,and the number but 'we. said, of` course :.there s' nothing
from preventing these companies from coming) back it the `future, 'and
enlar'gening the, sites
Mayor Barnes, They can't enlarge these sites,
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SANITARY LAND FILL (HOME SAVINGS AND LOAN) - Continued
Councilman Snyder- A lot of people would .like to
to have us put it, on the ballot
that there can be no further dump sites in the City of West Covina.
I am not recommending this. I am merely bringing it up for discussion.
Councilman Towner: I think it is worth discussing
but I don't think it is an
immediate problem and one that can't be held over. I think it is
economically unfeasible for anyone to start one at this time and
you have plenty of time to get such an amendment through if you want
it before the next election.
Councilman Snyder,.
GLENDORA NAME CHANGE
City Managers Mr,, Aiassa,.
POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLAINT
I think it should be kept in
mind as a point.of discussion
later.
Mr D'Amelio will have a report
in a few days.
Councilman Jett: I had a party talk to me, Mr.
and Mrs. Kabbish. They .live
on the corner of Thelborn and Vincent Avenue. Their house was
burglarized recently, a week ago Friday, and Mrs. Kabbish came home
in the afternoon and.said when she came up to the door ®® they have
on all their doors chains and these are for safety if she is home
alone. On the side door they have a bolt and a latch. She tried to
get in the door and this chain was fastened. She went around to
the back and discovered the chain was on that, too. She heard a
noise inside.the house. She thought Mr..Kabbish was ill. She went
next door and asked the neighbor to call the police. Then the
neighbor and Mrs. Kabbish tried the side door. The glass was .broken
out and she knew immediately someone had burglarized the house.
Thg police made.a written report. The following Thursday she called
the Police Department for a report.and they said they didn't have
a report- or words to this effect. She asked what they had found
out, what investigation they had mades and they said they hadn't
made any investigation. They said they had three years in which_ to
investigate her case and they would get around to it some timeo
She said$ "Why don.'t you come out here and try to get information
now from the neighbors?" She said he was very rude. This happened
in the afternoon a week ago Thursday. She didn't get his name.
She called Thursday morning about 8:15 A.Mo This was last Thursday.
It I think the Council should get a complete report on this, Let us
know the facts of this case. I happen to know these people. I know
they are not given to spreading any stories or anything like this and
I am sure she hasn't just come up with something to talk about.
I asked for a report on the
reasons why our personnel wasn't up to its full force ®® is it
because we are not paying enough money? Is it because our require-
ments for recruitment are so stringent that we are unable to
qualify these men? Is it because the psychologist is turning down
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POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLAINT ® Continued
• too many qualified men; I understand this last report that was made
by our oral board that they said we had nine of the finest qualified
men that they have talked to -in a long time and that out of those
nine men only two were approved by the psychologist,
Councilman Heath-.11 would like to have this
phase also investigated, I
understand in hiring on -the fire and' police that if you- need lone man
you have to pass a total of three up to the last stage so ihat;one
man can be drawn from it, Let's assume that this leaves two people
and you need another man for the Police.Department, You cannot take
one of these two men; you have to put a whole crew through the tests
and bring them up to the final stage so you get three so you.can take
one out of it_, I think it is up to the City Manager that we throw
this procedure out and get something that will expedite the employing
of personnel,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
The department has an option of the
select any of the three applicants,
number one$ two'and three,
The procedure set up by,
ordinance was here before I came,
first three applicants. You can
You.,are also eligible to take
Councilman Heath: If he only has two men approved
and in front of :him and . he needs
0 one he cannot take one of those two, he has to bring another up
and choose from three, I read the ordinance and that is what it states.
I think we should look into this, I thinkiwe should remove this so
we can expedite the recruiting,
Councilman Jett o This Council is remiss in their
duty if they don't try to
correct this situation, If we are not paying enough salary,then we
had better bring our salary up to`where it will.get the men.that we.
need,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I'll try to bring, the report
together with the, way he.wants
it,
Councilman' Heath, Along the same lines, I feel
R- that we.have a report stating
now that we are up to snuff on our personnel; however, the.report.
also states that there are four, five or six people off with in'lurigs,
This Council is well aware. and so is the _Six
that some of
these men won't be back for a longtime to.come and"I think; %that we
should.be able to yell approximately how long they are going_ to be
out and if they are going to be out any length of time, six.months.-
or more., this Council should take a stand to replace these mpn
because we are contradicting ourselves when,we say we need' "x" number
of people and then say we can stand six of them off on disability,'
Therefore, I think the Council should take a look at these -people
who are going to be -off any length of time and replace them and at
that time we may want to increase our staff and absorb these men
who have come in on a temporary basis,
Councilman Towner: When you have five out of 61
men off on long-term'disabilityg
something is wrong with our recruiting program and it isn't strict
enough because that is much much too high of a disability record for
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POZICE DEPARTMENT COMPLAINT - Continued
• that many men, These are mostly back cases. There are certain types
of people who are more susceptible to back injury. We have taken care
of that to an extent because we are now using County doctors for
physical examinations,
Mayor.barnes: I think this should be investi-
gated. Mr. Aias.sa will take
care of this,
Councilman Heath: I would'like for a recommendation
from the City Manager at the,
next meeting stating that he feels so many officers should be
replaced on a temporary basis:
Councilman Towner: I don't understand how we can
get them on a temporary,basis
if we can.'t,qualify them for permanent jobs,
Councilman Jett:
probation period, six months or so?
City Manager,.Mr; Aiassa:
Don't we have a period in there
that they have.to be on a
Yes, Every time you hire a new
man you send him off to the
academy for six months' training,
Councilman Jett: The men on the oral board have
been on police departments.for
years and years; they have been trained -to ask questions'and -
interrogate men to figure out a man's character to see if he is
lying or:telling the truth. These are capable men on this oral
board andwhenthey come up and recommend nine qualified men and
only two, of them can pass the psychologist., there is something wrong
with the.psychologist, in my:opinion.
Councilman Snyder: ... . You should realize some of the
things the psychologist throws
men out for, Some' of the things are -- you would -be surprised' how
many homosexuals would like to be policemeri.-This isa known fact
among criminologists and psychologists.` Some are thrown out
because of either overt orpossible homosexual tendencies, Some
have. been thrown out because in the past they have admitted to smoking
marijuana, There are things that come out in'a psychological test,
that cannot -be made public because<t will do injury to'this man but.
according to th'e standards they have set up they don't want them as
policemen.
Councilman Heath: It has been stated by members of
this Council that if.a man was
arrested in=194S, paid the penalty, it should'be absolved and he
should be given another chance.
Councilman.Snyder: You're putting the wrong
interpretation to what I have
said, Of course„they evaluate these things,
Mayor Barnes: I would encourage them to go
forward with their recruiting
period and try to get these men that we need.
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Page Thirty -Four
POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLAINT - Continued
• Councilman Jett: There,is no one who'can coov'ince
l-
me that there are that many;men
living'in West Covina who are not qualified to serve on our Police
Department, When`I look at some of the reports I get about the'men
we do have I:donft believe the men we are turning down are not qualified,
Councilman Snyder: I don't think you can aceept,the
report you made tonight until
you have heard the other side, You cannot use that as a judgement
as to the kind of men we have and I object to that statement
violently, You have only given one side of the story, It is a lie,
Councilman Jett: It is not a lie,
Councilman Snyder: It is until you have hearrd the
other side, I am getting tired
of hearing about the big lie,
Councilman Jett: Every time something that comes
up that might be controversial
you are always saying "you're wrong, Jett" and I'm not wrong. I
made a report here tonight and there was no lie there,
Councilman Snyder: The statement stands,
- Councilman Heath:, Maybe Mr, Jett has a point when
he says that somewhere in the
exam th'ere.might',be a weak spot and maybe this weak spot is that
the psychologist, whoever it might be, is a little too severe. I
think his asking for a checkup on the procedures is a legitimate
request,
Mayor.Bar.nes: You have had this present
psychologist quite a while,
haven't you? Maybe it is time we changed,
Councilman. Snyder: I am no longer going to sit.
here and listen'to the big
lies repeated over and over without answering them and without
labeling them as such,
Councilman Jett: I asked for a'report and I
have mm this is not the report
I asked. for,
Councilman Towner.: There is one problem:here that
I think we should all recognize,
Mr. Jett and Mr. Heath•claim:there is a weak spot in recruiting
men and I don't think there is and,I don't think the evidence bears
that out and I.think by repeatedly declaring that it is weak doesn't
.establish the fact, This, I think, is where the difference of
opinion is,
Councilman Jett:, You show me where I said there
was a:weak spot in our re-
cruitment. I said I wanted,.a report from Mr. Aiassa to tell me
why we haven't been able to get these people,
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POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLAINT- Continued
Councilman Towner; The simple point is that you
are entitled to an opinion. -.
but I don't think you are entitled to state these things as facts,
We should be interested in thetotal picture of our City and getting
the best ,police force possible .and I think pubs is declarations that
we have a weak police force are, just inviting the pros to go to work,
Councilman Heath: No ,one on this Council said we
had a weak police force.
Councilman Towner: It came from Mr. Jett just a
moment ago and we can have it
read, back.
Councilman Jett: I did not say we had a weak
police force.
There being no further
by Councilman Towner,
at 11:50 P;M,
ATTEST:
CITY CLERK
business. Motion by Councilman Heath9 seconded
and carried, that this meeting be adjourned
APPROVED J 3.
MAYOR
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PLANNING COMMISSION ®.Continued
METES AND BOUNDS N0,, 135-221 LOCATION,- 920 Spring Meadow Drive
Carl Kanowsky
APPROVED 1,,65 Acres ® 2 Lots A,,D,, III
Approved by Planning Commission on February b9 1964,,
Maps were presented and Mr,, Joseph gave a brief summary of -the matter.
Mr, Flotten read the recommended conditions of the Planning Commission,,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder9 and carried,
that Metes and Bounds Subdivision No,,.,135®221 be approved subject to
the conditions recommended by the Planning Commission,,
METES AND BOUNDS NO. 135-223
R,,A,, Clarke
HELD OVER
LOCATION: 306 South Barrranca,,
3 Acres ® 3 Lots m A,, D. III
Approved by Planning Commission on February 5, 1964,,
Maps were presented and Mr,, Joseph„gave a brief summary of the matter,,
Mr. Flotten read the recommended conditions of the Planning Commission,,
Councilman Heath:
developed into a different plan,,
drawn and done better that that.
I think the narrow easement is
unjustified and this could be
I think there could be another map
Councilman Towner: He has sufficient room.to
develop the lot under Area
District III, requirements and there is just no other way to get at
it,, He already.has his own house .built up there.in such a position
he can't do,anything except develop behind his own house,, I think
he is entitled under the area district to split it up some wayq About
all we can do withour staff is to ask them to show us more -,plans,,
Councilman Heath: Move that Metes and Bounds
Subdivision No,, 135-223 be
referred back to the staff to work with the developer to see if they
can't come out with a better layout,,
Councilman Towner: I don't mind,holding it over
for study. I would like one
question cleared up at this time as to the elevation of Lot,No,, 1
with respect to the property to the south and the property to the
east,,
Public Services Director, Mr,, Dosh: The street falls off quite
rginlots are part of the mesa, This startsetorgoydownVhill. These
City Attorney, Mr,, Williams: I think you can hold this once
to your next meeting.but no more,,
Councilman Heath: It can be developed better than
this by bringing in fill,,
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METES AND BOUNDS SUBDIVISION NO. 135®223 Continued
Page Twenty -Eight
Councilman.Jetto Could it be sent back for study
and see if possibly, in relation
to the future development of the other area to maybe come up with a
better plan?
Councilman Snyder:
On a metes and bounds you either
have to accept it or hold it
for only one meeting,
City Attorney, Mr, Williams: You have to act on this within
the first meeting after it is
presented, If you look at this as being the meeting it is presented
you cannot hold it"beyond the next regular meeting without his
permission,
Councilman Heath: I will withdraw my previous
motion and make another,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that Metes and Bounds Subdivision No, 135-223 be referred back to the
staff to work with the developer to see if they can't come out with
a better layout and this metes and bounds be held over to the
next regularly scheduled meeting,
PLANNING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL REPORT
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten: This is a copy of the report
from the Planning Commission
to the City Council dated February 7 regarding Planning Department
personnel, You have all received copies of that,
Mayor Barnes. -
RECREATION & PARKS
None
GENERAL MATTERS
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
SCOA REQUEST
We will bring this up later,
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten: Mr, Genstel of_Scoa is here
tonight. You granted last year
in November permission to conduct the annual outdoor sale, Mr, Genstel
had his ourdoor sale scheduled on the day they closed everything up
because of the death of President Kennedy, He would like it to be
transferred to April 4, 1964,
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SCOA REQUEST - Continued
Page Twenty -Nine
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that in view of the fact that Scoa was prevented from having their outdoor
sale On the prior granted date that a new date be granted of April 4,,
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten- They have a temporary use
permit from March 4 to March 8
for a community fair to raise money for charity. 5% of the gross
will be donated to the service organizations. Scoa will underwrite
all costs of the game booths and advertising,, (Read memo re this
matter.) This is scheduled for March 4 to March 8 from ten in the
morning to ten in the dvening,,
Mr,, Genstel: This will be run on the south-
east portion of the lot. It is
not the parking lot backing up to the homeso
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that a temporary use permit be granted to Scoa for a community fair
to raise money for charity from March 4 to March 8 from ten in the
morning to ten in the evening subject to the committee report.
CITY ATTORNEY
ORDINANCE NO,, 842
ADOPTED
The City Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA
AMENDING SECTIONS 9219.14 AND
9219.15 OF THE WEST COVINA
MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO
OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS"
Councilman Heath- I requested that this be held
because I felt it was too
strict. I have gone over this very carefully. I have been in the
Regional Planning Commission in Los Angeles and the numbers used
in there are identical with the report put out by the Regional Planning
Commission Paper and they are based on the 1960 census but it states
very clearly and precisely in this report that the basis of these
facts are as of the City of Los Angeles and I don't see where there
is any similarity between the City of West Covina and the City of Los
Angeles,
Planning Director, Mr, Joseph- The information which you have
here on one, two, three and four
all relate to the City of West Covina. When you start on number five,
it talks about certain basic conclusions,, We just extracted the
information about West Covina,, We didn't use Los Angeles City,, We
showed you all our sources of information,,
Councilman Heath- I would agree with this ordinance
only in one respect and that is
as to each R-1 having two parking spaces or garages per unit. Beyond
that I can't go along with it,, I think it is a little too stringent,,
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Page Thirty
Councilman Towner, I think the whole history of the
use of automobiles indicates we
are goingtn need more rather than less parking. It would be a gross
error to cut down on the number of parking spaces. I think with
respect to West Covina, which stands in .a peculiar position in re-
lation to other cities in this area we do have more cars per dwelling
unit as any other surrounding areas yet we are not requiring any
more parking space than any of the other cities, I think the builder
who builds with a lesser parking ratio is forcing cars to park at the
curb overnight and creating police problems and problems for tenants
and downgrading the character of his own development,
Councilman Heath, I think if you go to any of these
dwellings in the City, R®3, R-29
R®4 and take a look at the parking lot, the only time you have a
parking problem is when you have a difficult parking space to get into
and then they park on the street, I don't think you will find any
parking at an apartment house where they have filled up the lot and
where they have to park on the street,
Mayor Barnes, I think this is a good survey,
Planning Director, Mr, Joseph, The one and three-quarters isn't
any different than the Rm3B
standards which were in effect for the R3B before I came to West
Covina so we just adopted these for all multiple families, We haven't
really jacked up requirements, When Mr, Austin made his apartment
survey in September we wanted to find basic information.and one point
he brought back even then was comments expressed by apartment managers
and tenants that they were in favor of two to one parking per unit.
We have been receiving complaints from the residents around the Horny
apartments; the neighbors are screaming about the lack of adequate
parking. The ratio is one and a quarter to one,
Councilman Heath, If you're going,to make this so
stringent and the guy is going to
miss the two to one by four parking spaces and come in for a variance
I think before we make it this stringent we should be sure it is
absolutely necessary because otherwise we will be flooded with variances
again,
Councilman Snyder, I think you are better to err
on the side,of too much parking
rather than too little. If you have too little the situation is not
correctable, If you have too much, it is correctable.
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that said
ordinance be adopted, Motion passed on roll call as follows. -
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes, Councilman Heath
Absent; None
Said ordinance was given No, 842,
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ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION
Page Thirty -One
The City,Attorney presented-
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMEND®
ING THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE
SO AS. TO REZONE CERTAIN PREMISES"
(ZC No,, 274 - Annexations ® City
Initiated)
Motion by Councilman.Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance,,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that said.ordinance be introduced,,
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION
The City.Attorney presented:
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMEND-
ING THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING
CHAPTER OF THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL
CODE RELATING TO HOTELS, MOTELS,
COLLEGES, REST HOMES, AND NURSERY
SCHOOLS"
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance,,
Motion by Councilman Towner,.seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that said ordinance be introduced, (Councilman Jett voted "'No",,).
(Councilman Heath voted "No",,)
Councilman Towner
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION
I will ask that it be introduced,,
The City Attorney presented-.
"AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMEND-
ING THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE
BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW.SECTION
RELATING TO REFUSE IN PUBLIC
STREETS OR DRAINAGE COURSES"
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance,,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that said ordinance be introduced,,
RESOLUTION N0,, 2863
ADOPTED
The City Attorney presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AMEND-
ING RESOLUTION NO,, 1277 RELATING
TO AUTHORIZED POSITIONS AND
SALARIES"
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RESOLUTION NO,,28.63 Continued
Mayor Barnes:
Page'Thirty-Two
Hearing no objections, we will
waive further reading of the
body of the resolution.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, that said
resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
Said resolution was given No. 2863.
RESOLUTION N0,, 2864
ADOPTED
Mayor Barnes:
The City Attorney presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA
PROVIDING FOR THE SUBMISSION OF
A CERTAIN PROPOSITION TO THE
VOTERS OF THE CITY AT THE
GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO
BE HELD ON APRIL, 14, 1964."
Hearing no objections, we will
waive further reading of the
body of the resolution.
Councilman Towner: I don't think you can expect to
be compensated in money for the
time you put in here. You are compensated in the satisfaction of
helping to create a city and provide the kind of city you feel is the
one you want to live in and I don't think you can expect compensation
in money. I don't think you should be expected to lose in the service.
I don't object to putting this proposal before the people but I think
$100 per Councilman and $150 for the Mayor is perhaps a little too high.
Councilman Snyder: I think what you're being com-
pensated for is not your time
but perhaps you can be compensated for the time that you spend here
that you could have been out making money. I think it is difficult
to set a figure. I agree I think $100 is a little bit generous.
Mayor Barnes: I think this is merely to re-
imburse us for some of the
expenses.
Councilman Towner: As far as the Mayor is concerned,
he is customarily appointed to
at.least one agency, I believe, that provides $100 a month that
provides something additional a month, which is $75 a month which is
the Sanitation. There are other cities requesting raises and it was
my impression it was $75 and $100 elsewhere.
Councilman Jett: I would go with that. I honestly
believe that when you put in the
amount of time that we all do and all the other meetings all during
the week and I think $100 is a very small compensation for the time
put in. This figured out on an hourly basis would be about 80� an hour.
We are a city of 60,000 and going up. Your responsibilities are
expanding every month.
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RESOLUTION NO. 2864 - Continued
Councilman Heath: Move this ordinance be -read with
the provisions of $75 and_$100,
Councilman Snyder: I -think $75 and'$100-is something -you
could put to the voters without too
much controversy. If you put $100 and $150 you might have to go out and
defend. ito I.am not prepared to do this.
Mayor Barnes: I think it is agreeable that it be '$75
for the Councilman and $100 for the
Mayor,
Mr. Williams: I will change the resolution.
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, that said
resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
Said resolution was given No, 28.64.
Councilman Towner:
Mr, John Gardner, President
Chamber of Commerce
Mr; Williams:
I think it might be more seemly if
we had some out type sponsor to write
the argument for this case.
I think it would be good if you re_._
ferred it to use It should be compen-
sation for expenses involved, not
compensation for time,
"A compensation for services"
is the way it is worded.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that this matter be referred to the Chamber of Commerce to write the
arguments for the increase in Council salary,
RESOLUTION NO. 2866
ADOPTED
Mayor Barnes:
The City Attorney presented:,
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA CALLING AND
GIVING NOTICE OF THE HOLDING OF A
GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD
IN SAID CITY ON TUESDAY, THE 14TH DAY
OF APRIL, 196,4,. FOR THE ELECTION OF
CERTAIN OFFICERS OF SAID CITY AS RE-
QUIRED BY THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAWS
OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA RELATING
TO GENERAL LAW CITIES AND FOR THE
SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED ELECTIONS
OF SAID CITY OF CERTAIN QUESTIONS,
PROPOSITIONS OR MEASURES"
Hearing no objections, we will
waive further reading of the body of
the resolution.
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett, that said
resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: NoneL
Absent: None
Said resolution was given No, 2866.
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PP6OLUTIDN NO., 2867
ADOPTED
Mayor .Barnes:
Page:'Thirty-Four
The City Attorney presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AUTHORIZING
THE _WEST COVINA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
TO FILE A WRITTEN ARGUMENT FOR A CITY
MEASURE"
Hearing no objections;' we will waive
further reading of the body of the
resolution.
Motion -by Councilman Heath, seconded -by Councilman Jett, that said resolu-
tion.be adopted. Motion,passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett,,Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: -None
Said resolution was given No. 2867,
CITY CLERK
WOMEN'S LEAGUE
Mr,,Flotten:
I have a request from the League -of
Women Voters of West Covina. They
would like permission for their
door-to-door solicitation of funds: Mem-
bers have appointments with members
of the,communitya Also, to declare
March-9 as°West Covina League of
Women -Voters Dayo
Motion by.Councilman Heath, seconded
by Councilman Towner,,and carried,
that the League of Women Voters
of,West Covina be given permission for
their door-to-door solicitation
of funds.
Mayor Barnes:
If there are no objections, I will
proclaim March 9 as West Covina League
of..Women Voters day,
(There were none.)
So proclaimed.
DEMOLAY-WEEK
Mr, Flotten:
We have a request from Gilbert Vaughn,
62nd District of the DeMolays, asking
the,Mayor to proclaim March 17
to 24:as Deroolay Week.
Mayor Barnes:
If there are no objections, I will
so proclaim.
(There,were.noneo)
So proclaimed,
A.B.C. APPLICATIONS
Mr. Flotten:
You have copies of these.
Councilman Heath:
I can't understand the recommendations
on these., We protest some of.the
licenses over the smallest things
and then we get one here where there is
a criminal background on a man,
something that has never been resolved, and
no objections. I can't follow
this.
Councilman Towner:
That is.where the man is proposing
to move two. doors down.
Mayor Barnes: He received his license in the first
place to move to the first location.
What was the recommendation on that to begin with? He must have been
given permission before.
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A.B.C. APPLICATIONS - Continued
Councilman Sny.der:
I know I disagree with some of you
on this. I don't even know this man
but I think a criminal record of 1949 and'1942 with nothing'sinee,:that
this ma.n has paid,,his debt to society and you don't hold that against
him.for the.rest of. his life.
Councilman Towner: It is a question of.whether or note
the man has rehabilitated.'' This is
something the State has taken over and we don'.t have to decide..
Councilman Jett: I would have no protest where
he :is just moving.
Mayor Barnes: We don't have any objections
to these.
CRESCENT CAR CLUB
Mr, Flotten: This is -an application of the Cres-
cent Car Club for permission to set
up'a safety check for cars in the Plaza, They will.also`sell seatbelts
and display safety equipment on'February 29 from ten to four,.
Councilman Heath: I think it is a good program, Before
they have not sold anything;, they have
just had a car check.' I would like it to'go to the Chamber of Commerce on
this,
Mr, John,Gardner:
They sell the seatbelts at approx=
imately costa. There is no objection
from the merchants.
Motion by Councilman Heath', seconde.d'by'Coune lman Jett, and carried,
that: the request.of the Crescent Car Club to set up'a safety check.
for cars`.in the Plaza,',aiid to sell seatbelts on'Februiry 29 from ten
to four'be approved..
FIVE LANTERNS
Mr. Flotteri: We have a 'request .from the Five Lan-
terns Restaurant signed by Dorothy
Chenda` Thursday is the Chinese New Yeaiand'they want permission to fire
off some small packages of firecrackers to,scare away the evil -spirits.
This.will take place for about five.or.ten minutes on February J3'at
eight o'clock. (Read Section 4121 of the Code relating to this matter).
Motion by Councilman 'Jett, seconded by`Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that; permission be`given to the Five Lanterns Restaurant to fire.off
firecrackers on the Chinese New Year, February 13, 1964 at'eight 0-clock
providing the Fire Chief okays `this re quest and the Five Lanterns Rest-
aurant conforms with the ordinance.
SKELTON PROPERTY
Mr'. Flotten I have a report on the Skelton
property that'you asked me to look
into., This report is dated February,10 and directed to -you. I•would
like this spre*o in full in the Minutes:
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SKELTON PROPERTY RENTAL — Continued
directive, the City Clerk's
possibility of renting the
431 East Merced Avenue,
Page Thirty -Six
"Pursuant to the City
Office ha.s investigated the
former John Skelton property
Council Is
at
"To date, we have received but
four inquiries into the possibility of renting this property;
however, only one interested party remains because of the limited
time the house will be available for rent, The party's name is
Mr, and Mrs, Schauer who are presently living on.S, Glendora
Avenue and whose house has been condemned because of the heating
system, and who are therefore obliged to move in the very near
future, They are presently paying $100.00 per month rental
and are definitely interested in renting the Skelton house at
the same rate, provided some adjustment could be made in the
payment of utilities in that the yard that requires
maintenance is quite large,
"In order to prevent possible
vandalism to the house, it is respectfully requested that the
City Clerk be allowed to negotiate with the Schauers so that
the house may be occupied as quickly as possible before any
damage occurs,"
Councilman Heath: Here comes the hidden expenses
I predicted before. I think
for the small amount of money you are going to get in you are going
to run into more expenses with repairing plumbing, et cetera,
Councilman Jett: If you don't rent that property
will be broken and the doors caved in, within 30 days all the windows
Councilman Towner: I would refer to re t °t I
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think it is one way to safeguard
the property, I think they should pay all the utilities. If they
will take it on those terms, it is reasonable to let them have it at
$100 a month,
Councilman Snyder:
They couldn't get a comperable
place for that amount of money.
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that the City Clerk be authorized to rent the property to Mr. Schauer
at a rental of $100.00 a month on a month -to -month basis and that
the renter, Mr. Schauer pay all utilities, (Councilman Heath voted
"No",)
RESOLUTION NO, 2865
ADOPTED
The City Attorney presented:
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA PRO-
VIDING FOR THE SUBMISSION TO THE
VOTERS OF THE CITY AT THE GENERAL
MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON
APRIL 14, 19641 A PROPOSED
INITIATIVE ORDINANCE RELATING TO
THE RECRUITMENT, REMOVAL AND
DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER"
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RESOLUTION NO, 2865 ® Continued
Mayor Barnes:
Page Thirty -Seven
Hearing no objections, we will
waive further reading of the
body of the resolution.,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, that.said
resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows-,
Ayes-, Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes-, None
Absent: None
Said resolution was given No, 2865,
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES
Mayor Barnes: Dr, Snyder has been appointed
by the League of California
Cities to a committee on revenue and taxation, I think this is quite
an honor,
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that the appointment of Dr. Snyder to a committee on revenue and
taxation by the League of California Cities be approved,
WATER PROGRAM
Mayor Barnes: I received a call from Mr. Jensen
of MWD on Wednesday— He wanted to
know if we had done anything to expedite the water program as.far as
they were concerned. He reminded us that our deadline is April 1, He
stated that the City of San Bernardino was having their election on
March 31, He just wanted to appraise us of the'deadlineo
Councilman Jett: The first hitch that has appeared
in the water program according
to yesterday's paper between the State and the Southern California
in relation to the Udahl proposal ®- I assume you all read it. Our:
hearing before the Annexation Committee hasn't been set,
Councilman Snyder: The East Sari Gabriel Valley
Plapning Commission had a meeting
on January 23, I didn't get any Minutes, Did they take any action
on the multipurpose auditorium? Could you find out why we never got
any Minutes of that meeting?
Planning Director, Mr, Joseph: I will find out for you,
Commissioner Gleckman: What Mr., Renwick told me was
they discussed it and were going
to drop it right then. They sent it back to the committee for more
study, thanks to Andy Renwick, The Committee didn't make any
recommendation,
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CITY MANAGER REPORT'S
RUSS NICHOLS' CAMPAIGN
City Manager, Mr. A,iassa:
ATTORNEY FEES
Page Thirty -Eight
This is a report from Chief Sill
on this publicity thing for Russ
Nichols. We can take this up later,
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: We have a bill for $230.00 for
Mr. Williams in the People vs.
Home Savings and Loan, City of West Covina Annexation No. 158,
City Attorney, Mr. Williams:
They filed the request for
dismissal. Normally, that is
the end.
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Towner, that the
bill of $230.00 for Mr. Williams be approved and paid. Motion passed
on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen,Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
80NELLI MEETING
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I made arrangements for Mr.
Bonelli and the City,Council to
meet at noon on March 12, 1964. This is the joint meeting with him and
the Council,
Councilman Snyder: I think it would be a more
profitable meeting if we picked
points to discuss. You have to the 12th to do it.
Mayor Barnes.: I doll°t think we should have more
than three items.
Councilman Snyder: By next Monday night whydonet
we submit items we would like
to submit and talk about with Mr. Bonelli and then we can choose
the ones we want.
Mayor Barnes: I think that is agreeable with
most of us.
Councilman Heath:
Can Mr. Gardner be there?
Mayor Barnes: I think it would be a good idea
that he be there. I think this
is agreeable with the rest of the Council.
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CITY MANAGER REPORTS - Continued
SENATE BILL N0, 480
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I had a meeting with representa-
tives of the State Division of
Highways in Sacramento and brought up Azusa Avenue, Senate Bill 480,
and they would like the Council to start initiating studies on this
freeway because it will take two years to get the data and information
that is necessary. We want to authorize them to do the preliminary
studies. I would like authorization of the Council to have the City
Attorney prepare this resolution and get it to him and start the thing
rolling,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the City Attorney be directed to.`prepare a resolution
authorizing the State Division of Highways to do the preliminary
studies on Azusa Avenue,
CAMERON EXTENSION
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We have to develop a resolution
from the County asking for HTC
Funds for $20,000 and ATC Funds for $15$00, Mr, Bonelli has budgeted
these.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the City Manager be authorized to ask for this money,
HOME SAVINGS AND LOAN LANDFILL LEASE
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: They have suggested that Ben K.
Kasarian and Son be an acceptable
firm to do the operation. The staff will -review a couple of areas
where these people are operating and we will have a report for you
on the 17th,
CURB LETTERING
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: We have a request from the
Veterans Addressing Service,
Alhambra Division, to address curbs, (Read letter re this matter,)
Councilman Heath: Haven't we always had this done
by groups who have a project to
do?
Councilman Towner,: I,couldn't tell from the letter
whether they intended to ask
us.for a.contract,and do the entire City as an expense or whether they
would do it through the home. owners,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: Let.me hold this off until the
17th and I'll check this out,
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CURB LETTERING ® Continued
Councilman Heath-.
Councilman Jett-.
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I would say it is interferring
with civic projects. I would
like to deny it,
Maybe this,is an area where the
Teen -Kan -Teen can raise a lot of
money.
Councilman Heath-. That is a real good point,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the request of the Veterans Addressing Service re curb lettering
be denied and we leave it for civic organizations as a project,
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that the City Manager recommend to the president of the Teen -Kan -Teen
organization that they put on a campaign to number the streets, to
paint the street numbers of all the residences in the City as their
project for raising funds for the completion of their building; that
they be informed that this recommendation comes from the Council,
VICTOR GRUEN
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-. I have gone over this Victor
Gruen contract, The only
question left for me to review was the payments. We broke this down to
the position being that he has raised the amount to $14,000, that
$3,000,00 be paid in 30 days; $5,500 in 60 days; $5,500 in 180 days,
Councilman Heath-. I would like to see a competitive
bid on the east end of town, I
think we should give someone else a chance if they are anywhere near
that,
Councilman Towner: If we do that we will further
delay something that is very
essential,
Mayor Barnes-. Right,
Councilman Towner: What happened tonight is a
good example of why we should
move ahead, I think we should by all means expedite this,
Councilman Heath-.
Are we within our rights to put
this out without competitive bid?
0 City Attorney, Mr, Williams-. You don't have to bid for services,
iCouncilman Heath-. I don't think he is doing his
job,
Councilman Snyder-. I think he is doing the job and
I think it is not just a matter
that we have to have it done. I think you are judging him only on
the difficult problem of Vincent Avenue and not the overall report,
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VICTOR GRUEN - Continued
Councilman Heath: I am judging him on the thing we
started with originally which
was we wanted him to come up with a recommendation and a solution of
how we can get people into our shopping centers and out and he has
not done anything on this line,
Councilman Snyder:
To improve the traffic situation,
Councilman Towner: He is preparing his final report,
I think if we delay this again
that the public can find fault with the Council, They should be
able to find fault with us now on what has happened already,
Councilman Heath: The philosophy is let's rush in
and do something even though we
know it isn't right. This is the same philolophy we have admitted on
the Vincent Avenue Interchange, I think this is entirely wrong. I
think we cannot be criticized if we take longer to get something we
know we can be sure to use,
Councilman Snyder:
Before Victor Gruen we
of anything better but
find something better,
Councilman Heath:
That wasn't the philosophy on
the Vincent Avenue Interchange,
said we can take this because we cant think
we argued and fought to get a consultant to
When the freeway was first
going through here the members
of the Council were not familiar with all the aspects of interchanges
and cloverleafs and as a result we got what we have now, Had we had
the help of the professionals then we would have had a better inter-
change than we have now, I.think we need answers on this,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that the
Mayor and City Clerk be authorized to execute the contract with Victor
Gruen and Associates for the traffic study at the east end of the
City with the payments according to`the recommendations of the City
Manager, Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Snyder, Mayor 'Barnes
Noes: Councilman Heath
Absent: None
Councilman Towner: :I think we are in a better
position if we make our own
study. I agree the study should be made with the knowledge of Covina
or any,other adjoining jurisdiction so everybody knows and has the
opportunity to comment but I think we should retain control over the
study ourselves, If you enter into a joint study you are somewhat
obligated to accept some of their recommendations and they may not be
beneficial to us, I agree there should be cooperative effort and
statesmanship involved in this but I feel our first duty is to West
Covina,
Councilman Snyder:
If it could
I think it
desirable,
have been obtained,
would have been
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CIVIL SERVICE AND POLITICS
Councilman Jett:
in politics and what is the
to file charges?
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To what extent are the City
employees allowed to participate
procedure in the event that someone wanted
City Attorney, Mr. Williams: The State law with respect to
civil service employees sets
forth what they can do and sets forth what they cannot do. That law
was amended in 1963 and I'd better check and advise you later,
Generally it says that they may participate in activities outside of
their own city; that within their own city they can sign petitions,
they can vote and take part in activities that directly effect their
own working conditions. Other than this they shall take no part of
activities within the city. The amendment made in 1963 was to provide
that they could take part in a County or a State but not a municipal
election. I will get the exact language for you.
Councilman Towner: We should send the employees a
memorandum so they will be
fairly advised and not inadvertently overstep the bounds.
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa:
TAX REALTY (WATER ANNEXATION)
We will get a copy of the memo
from Mr. Williams and route it
through the departments.
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: Did you get a figure from this
Tax Realty Assessment for -this
district? We have to have that. You wrote him a letter.
City Attorney, Mr. Williams: No. I sent you a copy of the
letter I wrote Robert Wilder.
I don't imagine we'll get an answer for ten days.
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: We need this for this application
with the local planning group
and the maps we have have reached the end because of the dates involved.
City Attorney, Mr. Williams: I don't think we have any right
to pay for that. The people
who ought to pay for that is the outfit we are annexing to. We did
pay for the figures for MWD so why shouldn't we do it for this?
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Towner, that the City
Manager and the City Attorney be authorized to engage the Realty Tax
and Service Company of 433 South Spring Street to up -date our assessed
valuation for 1963-1964. Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
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VALIDATING WATER CONTRACT
Councilman Snyder:
the Govenor in a special session to
to validate contracts.
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We referred the matter to you
regarding whether we could ask
consider this City being allowed
City Attorney, Mr, Williams: It isn't our basic problem, It
is not the mechanics of getting
this test, It would be easier for us to use the mechanics that are
available to the water districts, This is no emergency and in my
opinion it is absolutely out of the question that the Governor will
put this on a special call. But it isn't the mechanics of getting
the thing validated that bothers us; it is the fact that if we file
any kind of action to validate that contract at this time the MWD
will intervene in the suit, will raise the question of Constitutionality
of our contract and we will have a Supreme Court litigation to carry
on, They have already intervened in one contract suit. If we..sit
back for a few months.the chances are this problem will be solved
and we won't be the guinea pig and we won't have to go to the Supreme
Court, If we file it now we are going to have a contest, a real
contest, that will challenge Constitutionality, Our problem is, as
I understand it, the San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District
somehow or another has said they want this validation before we annex,
This is a ridiculous attitude if it is the attitude they have ,taken,
I just finished talking to their attorney and he agreed that they
would not require us to validate, We go ahead and annex, they then
can validate under this existing statute and it doesn't need any
amending for the City to do this at all, Two days later Mr. Aiassa
tells me'"'the Board says we have to validate it before we annex,
Councilman Snyder: Perhaps they don't understand
the whole situation,
Councilman Jett: I will bring this up at the
meeting tomorrow,
MANAGERS' CONFERENCE
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: I would like permission from
the Council to attend the Managers
Meeting in Palm Springs on the 19th through the 21st of February.
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, that the
City Manager be given permission to attend the Managers' Conference
in Palm Springs on the 19th through the 21st of February, 1964,
Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
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IDEMANDS
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heaths, to approve
demands totalling $179,565.88 as listed on demand sheets B147, C367
through C369. This total includes fund transfers of $150,445.66.
Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent: None
There being no further business, Motion by Jett, seconded by Councilman
Heath, and carried, that this meeting be adjourned to February 17,
1964 at eight o'clock. The meeting was adjourned at 1:20 A.M,
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