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MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA
February 3, 1964
The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order
by Mayor Barnes at 9:20 P.M. in the West Covina City Hall. The'Pledge
of Alleginance was led by Councilman Snyder. Rev. Wittlinger gave the
invocation,
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Barnes, Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder
Others Present: Mr; George Aiassa, City Manager
Mr. Robert Flotten, City Clerk & Administrative Assistant
Mr. Thomas Jo Dosh, Public Services Director
Absent: Mr, Harry Co Williams; City Attorney
Mr, Harold Joseph, Planning Director
LIONS CLUB INVITATION
Mr. Ken Chappel: I am representing the West Covina
Lions Club this evening.'- As -an
annual project of ours we have a:.speakers contest held'for the -high
school students; The West Covina Lions Club is inviting the Council
to be our guests on'the 19th at noon, 'If you will tell Mr.' Heath how
many will -be able to attend we'would appreciate knowing the number. This
is to be at Clifton's in the Eastland Center,
Mayor Barnes:
CITY CLERK'S REPORTS
--PRECISE PLAN HEARING DATE
Frank DePietro
Thank -you very much for inviting use
Held over from January 27, 1964.
Mr, Flotten: This was discussed at a previous
meeting. I think some time during
the last few weeks I made a mistake. I understood this was to be set
for hearing on February 10 and I set it for a hearing. On listening
to the tape I find we decided to make our decision this evening whether
or not to hear this problem on the 10th,
Councilman Jett: We felt that this deserved a little
more consideration and probably the
City Clerk got the impression from that that this is what was about to
take place. This is something I feel should be called up before the
Council.
Councilman Snyder: I agree with you because I think Mr.
DePietro, from my discussion with
him, didn't realize that it wasn't coming up. I think it should be brought
up.
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DePIETRO PRECISE PLAN HEARINr, DAT..F: ® Continued
Councilman Towner:
City Clerk, Mr., Flotten:
Councilman Towner;
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten:
Councilman Jett -
ON -SALE LIQUOR APPLICATION
204 South Glendora Avenue
Tintary
(Held over from January 27)
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Do we still. have the time within which
the Council can call it up?
Yes,
If we call it up when does it come
up for hearing?
It is set for hearing on the Loth,
I would like to call this up,;
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten- This discussion was started at the
previous hearing?, A report was
submitted by the Police Department to the City Council on this, Tonight
the Council is to make a decision whether or not to protest the A,B,C.
application,
Councilman Heath- I went down Glendora Aveni.ie expecting
to see these bars side by side, T am.
afraid there isn't that man-v on that street to alarm me about the number
in there, As I said before, when is 11 too many and 10 all right? I
have read the. report, I have also visited the area to see how many
places there were that sold liquor and how bad the situation was and
I can't get alarmed about it, It is a commercial area, made com-
mercial for the sale of merchandise, There is a church in the area
but it is out of place and I don't thank we should penalize our
commercial area because the church is out of place in the area. I
can't see the reason for a -protest,
Councilman Towner- I think there is certainly a
difference of attitudes toward. how
the City ought to develop and what rights the property owner should
have in connection with this kind of thing and perhaps we are stepping
a little bit into the area that should be the jurisdictic:,n of. the
A,B,C, people, I know, for example, that Councilman Heath is of the
opinion that there are not too many beer parlors in the area and yet
I would disagree; I would say there are where you have 10 on the same
side of the street in the same block and four across the street and
four nearby in the next block and a church next door, It seems to
me this is too much and we ought to draw the line there, If this is
the recommendation of the Police Department I would say protest it, If
we can't get a majority of the Council I think +he least ;7e can do
is send this information on to the A,B3 C, people and let them make
their determination based on the State law,
Councilman Snyder- I feel that this application lies
within the jurisdiction of the A.,B,C,
and I don't know what weight they put on protests by the City. I do
feel that we should not protest this but I would not be adverse to
informing them that the church is there -on a temporary basis and also
of how many other establishments are there although I am sure they
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ON -SALE LIQUOR APPLICATION (TINTARY) - Continued.
must have this information,anyway, I don't feel we should make a
formal protest at this time,
Councilman Jett: I feel we have a responsibility to the
people of West Covina and inasmuch
as the Board of Equalization has somewhat established a rule of thumb
by which they would allow so many liquor places in proportion to
the population or something of this nature, I don't like to see all
of our businesses devoted to the sale of liquor, I think there is
justification here for questioning the need for another beer place on
Glendora, I hesitate to object to someone being allowed to use his
property for whatever he might want to use it for, If, it is zoned
for that purpose then I hardly feel that we have the right to get up
and tell him that we have zoned it for this type of use but now
because there are more than what should be along there we don't think
we should allow this to go there, This is a pretty rough one to
decide. I would be willing to leave this to the discretion of the
Chief of .Police, He is aware of the problems involved, If he feels
the justification is there for protest I would go along with it, If
he doesn't, I would go along with that,
Councilman Heath.- Of these ten so-called units, some
of these are for off -sale establish-
ments which I think should not be considered a liability to the area
inasmuch as they are selling a commodity. Some of the other establish-
ments you have in the area are establishments where they are serving
sandwiches and the beer goes along with it the same as coffee, If
these were regular saloons where they had nothing but a bar and
served nothing but drinks and they were end to end., I think we would
have every right to complain about it, Since it is an establishment
where they are serving -beer or liquor the same way as they would
coffee, I don't see where it is a detriment as much as a regular bar
would be,
Councilman Snyder.- I would agree with this, No matter
how you feel about beer, it is
still under the law we do not have the right of local option and to
be fair under the law I don't see how we can protest,
Mayor Barnes: Chief Sill, have you been assured
that there would be food served in
this establishment?
Police Chief Sill; There is no condition attached to
this license,
Mayor Barnes.- I hesitate to object to this because
this is a C-rand C-3, area, The
church is thereon a temporary use permit, I think it would be
. unfair to one gentleman to say he can't serve beer when we let others
go in, I think there have been two or three granted in the same Berea
in the last six months,* I think the problem is -the management, not
the density9 and in many cases we don't know before these come in
how good a place it will be. As long as food is served in> this'
establishment I would see no reason to have objections,
Councilman Towner: I think we t,hould send this information
to the A,B,C,
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ON -SALE LIQUOR APPLICATION (TINTARY) - Continued
Motion by Councilman Towner9 seconded by Councilman Jett, that the
information contained in the memorandum from the Chief of Police
dated January 21 be forwarded to the Department of Alcoholic
Beverage Control,
Councilman Snyder:
And add to that that this is not
to be construed as a protest,
Councilman Towner: A protest has to be filed in a formal
manner, The church has already
presented a prQte'st so there will. be a hearing, I think we should
present this information to them,
Councilman Heath: Sending the information is certainly
not what you -say constructive
information and therefore it would be an informal protest, If added
to that motion there is a statement that there is no protest, I would
then be willing to go along with the motion,
Councilman Snyder: Or if the statement that the church is
there on a temporary basis could be
included with this, I would go along with that, You'are only
presenting one side of the information with this memorandum,
Mayor Barnes: I don't want to see us send something to
the ABC Board that would be misconstrued
by them. I think we should have something factual to vote on.
Councilman Towner. The facts are contained in the memo-
randum, The facts regarding location
are set out here, This is all that is contained in the memorandum
and I don't think there can be any quarrel about that and I don't
think there should be any attempt to hide it, I think it is only
right that we send this information to them,
Councilman Jett.
They will _make their own decision
regardless of what we send in,
Councilman Snyder. I don't think this information is
derogatory,
Action on Councilman Towner's Motion. Motion passed on roll call as
follows.
Ayes. Councilmen Towner, Jett9 Snyder
Noes; Councilman Heath, Mayor Barnes
Absent. None
LARK ELLEN STORM DRAIN Held over from January 27, 1964.
Project So D •.6320
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa. When I was in Sacramento I met with
the Diub
Works and we went over the provisionsAof1the nHHFArector funds,ofIPwillc
hold this.until we get a report from Mr, Russell Cooney, assistant
Deputy Director, Division of State Highways.
Mayor Barnes.
Fine.
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CITY CLERK'S REPORTS - Continued
COUNCIL COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS
Februarys March and April, 1964
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Mayor Barnes: This is for the next three months.
Dr. Snyder to the Planning Commission;
Councilman Towner as the alternate. Recreation and -'Parks Commission,
Councilman Towner, with Councilman Heath as the alternate. On the
Personnel Board, -Councilman Heath and Councilman Towner is the alternate.
The East San Gabriel Planning Commission will remain the same. The
Upper San Gabriel Water -Association we no longer belong to. The League
of California Cities will remain the same. Civil Defense will remain
the same. Sanitation Board District will remain the same. Regional
Library Council will remain the same.
SUMMER VACATION EMPLOYEES AND PARK PAV'TLIONS
Set date for study session
Mayor Barnes:
Councilman Heath:
City rianager, Mro Aiassa:
This has been taken care of;
Were the summer personnel. included
in the 3% raise?
Yes.
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
to accept the summer part-time recreation leadership as recommended
by the Parks and Recreation Commission,
MR6 GINGRICH'S CITATION
Councilman Towner:
We received a citation to Robert
Ginprich by the California Parks
and Recreation Society, Inc., a professional citation for his out-
standing service in District 13. He was active in different capacities.
I think he should be commended by the Council. on this citation.
WATER PROBLEIM
Councilman Snyder: It is my understanding a special call
by the Governor for a special session
was made to consider only those items that he puts on the agenda. It
seems to me we should have a resolution or communication asking him
to possibly put this allowing cities to validate a water contract on
the agenda
Mayor Barnes: Councilman'Jett, are you going to
this meeting on the 7th?
Councilman Jett: No. Our first information on this
meeting indicated that we should be
present. However9 since that time it hasbeen brought to our attention
that this is somewhat of.a routine meetiA,g.
and we didn't feel we wanted
to go to the expense of going to Sacramento unless we felt sure we
should attend this meeting. If the Council still feels. I should attend
I will be happy to go, I think we should attend just about every one
of these meetings because there are so many things that come up.
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WATER PROBLEM - Continued
Metropolitan Water District is -constantly submitting amendments and
Proposals and unless you have someone there to catch these you might
get caught.
Councilman Snyder; I think we need to find out -the''
matter of timing,'whether'we have
to ask immediately to ask the Governor to put this on this call,
Councilman Jett: If it's not too late, I think"it-
would be good if we had this placed
on this call.
Mr, Aiassa: We can do it tomorrow morning.
Councilman Towner: I brought this up before and Mr.
Williams was of the opinion that
it was not the wisest course to take. I would think it is a good idea
to make the request that it go on the special session but if you're going
to do this you will have to have substantial support for this and we will
need the support of the League and Yuba City and the Water District and
we are going to have to have some proposed affirmative legislation spelled
out in so many words that says just exactly what we want to accomplish.
If we are going to do this I think the way to do it is through our legal
counsel and secondly through the Water District who will be able to ob-
tain the other cooperation for use
Councilman Snyder; If we were going to get it on the
special call it seems to me we have
to act tonight.
Councilman Jett: Being the first city who entered
into a contract with the State we
have somewhat set the pattern and I think what Councilman Snyder and
Councilman Towner are proposing here are something we should follow
through.
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that the City Attorney be directed to draft.proposed legislation for
the special session of the Legislature allowing cities to sue to
establish validity of the water contract; that this proposed legislation
be presented to other jurisdictional entities for their support and appro-
val and presentation to Governor Brown to be placed on a special session
of the Legislature.
Councilman.Snyder; As far as the other meeting goes,
if Mr. Jett feels he should be
there and he can be there I think we should authorize him to goo
Mayor Barnes: We have already authorized Coun-
cilman Jett. I think it is a
matter of Mr. Jett checking this out and if he feels it is important
he should be thereto goo
Councilman Jett:
I'll check with Mr, Woods.and
Mr. Lee in the morning and if
necessary, I will go up there.
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
COORDINATING COUNCIL REPORT
AND PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT REPORT
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Father Wittlingere The report grows out primarily of the
fact that last Tuesday I was
informed that my name and certain remarks of mine were a subject of
discussion at the City Council after these had been introduced by Mr,,
Heath and I came down and listened to the tape and this quite
disturbed me because what was said was not fully representative of
the situation and furthermore, what I had said was in turn very
obviously used for a purpose of which I can find myself not able to
lend my support whatsoever.
The whole thing began quite simply.
In December at our church we experienced an incident of rather costly
juvenile vandalism which was reported to the Police Department and I
think we are pleased with our City by our Police Department and the
Chief of Police,, In any event, I pursued this at the Police Station
and was told quite simply that it was really next to impossible to
do anything about the matter because at that point only events of
really major consequence would get attention mainly because there
were certain staff insufficiencies,, I found that a reasonable
explanation, Then as it happens so often in talking with so many
adolescents as we have, one of our parishioners became rather badly
in trouble in terms of breaking the law and I was asked on the 22nd
of. January to go down to the police station. I took the boy down
there and when I got down there Emmanuel Feldman, who functions as
a counselor coordinator for the West Covina Unified School District
in this sort of situation was there as well, We met primarily with
Sergeant Martin and Captain Ryan who are well known to all of you,,
We got there about one o'clock and talked about the boy, I suppose,
for 45 minutes or an hour, got some idea what we would do to help him,,
When this was done quite innocently I asked Sergeant Martin and
Captain Ryan what could we do to help this really growing juvenile
problem in. West Covina,, In other words, what was initially concern
about one boy was therefore amplified into concern about all our young
people about. this growing problem, a great deal which is not reported
to the police.
We talked probably for another 45
minutes or an hour,, We didn't leave until about four o'clock,, We
were told certain things in explanation,, One was at the present
time there were staff limitations; that this was a situation which
was being remedied but to do the background examination on suitable
officers involved using one of the present officers and we were
also shown comparitive statistics between what West Covina uses
percentage wise of its budget for police expenditure compared with
Alhambra and Covina and we don't measure up to the relative per-
centage expenditure,,
Mr,, Feldman, whom I knew very casually
and who is president of the West C,ovina.Coordinating Council said to
me as we left because as we left we --'.,also got into a small discussion
about the relationship of the Pickering ppubdivision in terms of its
great distance from the police station and.how this -was being in-
adequately handled because of the shortage in personnel at the present
time, Mr,, Feldman asked would I come the'.next day to the Coordinating
Council on his invitation and share with -him the things we talked
about that day, I said if it was possi-b1.e,;I would come,
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COORDINATING COUNCIL REPORT 6 PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT REPORT - Continued
The next day at noon I went to
Clifton's Cafeteria where I suppose 25, 30 people were at the Coordi-
nating Council,, I stated quite simply that although Mr, Feldman and
I certainly.felt that our existing police department was top-drawer
that nevertheless it was attempting to do an impossible job in terms
of the personnel now available in the department,, That was the sum
and substance of what I said,, At that point Mr,, Heath stood up and
I noticed in the tapes that several times last Monday night Councilman
Heath raised the question why a report like this should have been made
at the Coordinating Council,, Mr,, Heath was at the Coordinating Council;
therefore, I assume he knows what its purpose is, which is the welfare
of the young people of the community,, Secondly, the people of this
community and the citizens can talk about the affairs of this community
under any circumstances that they wish to,, It doesn't have to be
mentioned here, It was mentioned in a constructive way in a hope
that this group could exercise a concern to help the limitation,
Mr. Heath stood up and made a
statement about that he didn't want to call Mr, Feldman and me liars
but then went on to list for some minutes the adequacy of police
protection in Wiest Covina, All of a sudden right in the middle of
this Mr, Heath shifted his remarks rather dramatically to the City
Manager and started saying all sorts of things about the City Manager
that, to ray inind, were out of place and furthermore I could see no
,connection bretween some of the things that were said there ana cinat
we were talk ng about, We were told that the City Manager for two
years blocked the building of the Puente Avenue Fire Station,, We were
told other things about the City Manager and the whole thing concluded
with our being told that the City Manager was refusing to provide
the police protection that.you gentlemen almost begged him to provide.
This is the feeling I got,, The final closing statement was that as
a matter of fact so real was the feeling that the City.MAnager should
be dismissed that when raises were handed out a couple weeks ago that
he was not given his 3% raise as a Council token of. dissatisfaction.
This amazed me that a group of people such as the Coordinating Council
should have this sort of reply by a Councilman to their concern,, I
told him &t the time that I felt it was singularly out of place. On
the other hand, I assume Mr, Heath, because of his presence on the
Council, was fully informed about these matters, Nevertheless, I
went to the Chief of Police, Mr,, Sill, and told him of the concern
that we had had, Secondly, that now all of a sudden an interest
had arisen in knowing was it so that Mr, Aiassa was refusing to
fulfill the requirements of the Council in providing the staff, Chief
Sill gave me a very simple explanation,
His reply was this.- That the men
that the West Covina Police Department has and hires are top drawer
men and that they will not settle for just anyone in the police
department and therefore because the salaries which we offer starting
officers and so forth do not compare favorably with Los Angeles County
Sheriff, the Marshall, and so forth in terms of attracting personnel and
also retaining personnel, that they fought a constant battle; that
they could get as many police officers as they wanted if they would
take just anybody. As far as I was concerned, that was a plausible
explanation,
The point I have of objection in what
occurred last Monday night is that a genuine concern on the part of
some citiz:ens,cof, this community which has a very valid explanation
given.by ou=r,C-. Iof of Police as to why this very real need exists
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should in:turn be used for what obviously is a blunt attack on the
responsibility and therefore, I suppose, the character -of Mt.- Aiassa,
As a person who has lived here eight years, I feel a real morale
compulsion to be here tonight because I think our City Administration
in terms of our employed officials is a very fine orieo" I' ave`worked
with it for eight years. I think certainly that our Police Department
operating under its existing"circumstances is a fine one but I do feel
that it is time instead of tossing this thing back and forth that -we
can find a constructive solution so that what is going to,be a growing
problem, so that this be a'point of concern of. this Council and not
something that is a point. that is used in a rather continuing effort to
discredit the City Manager. I feel the issue is being strangely clouded
and turned around from what was intended and certainly what was said I.
felt compelled to be here tonight to say so.
Mayor Barnes: On the report of this the other night
I asked and called for a personnel ses-
sion as soon as Mr. Aiassa returned because I think if there is any
discussion on personnel matters of this type it should be discussed
and worked out in a personnel session with the City Manager and the
Chief of Police present, Mr. Aiassa, what is your recommendation?
Would you like to have a personnel session or what?
Mr. Aiassa: I feel this was an unpleasant experience
not only for myself but also the police
staff and all those involved, including the City of West Covina. I
think it is very easy sometimes for people to get taken in on some of
these things, We know our problems in the Police Department. We have
five men on disability and there are problems of recruitment. We also
know there is growing crime. I feel that these juvenile problems are
something we have to tackle and not by developing a police state.
Everybody is involved in this matter, The Personnel Board is reviewing
the basic organizational setup of the Police Department and we know
these problems, and I frankly feel that this Board is unbiased of any
of these problems so we should turn this over to them and let them come
up with a report. I don't believe in just adding men to the police.
If I add 10, 15 men to the Police Department now, where are we going
to house them? We have turned down the remodeling of that building.
I spent quite a bit of time with my staff reviewing all these so-called
citizen problems of the Police Department and since I have been here we
had numerous complaints and after we traced them down we finally find
the real story and actual details, As far as the Chief and the staff,
they are trying real hard. The City is now larger in size. We know we
are going to have a split police protection; we have the same thing
with the fire in Pickering Tract. These answers have to be resolved on
an intelligent basis so we can select men on the basis of promoting the
best police protection we can get. We had requested a cadet program
which we could fill these positions and actually reviewing the final
budget adopted by the City Council with the manpower which we could have
hired, but instead they were given two extra secretaries and three extra
men, I feel these kinds of problems do nothing but hurt the community
and hurt the morale of the Police Department because you're condemning
them before they have a chance to defend themselves.
Councilman Heath: I would like to say this: That there,
was never a comment against the
efficiency of the Police Department and I think to push this off and
try to cloud the issue by statingthat the Police Department has been
condemned I think is clouding the issue to cover up something else.
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Rev, Wittlinger came back to the
Council and as you heard on the tape I tried to report your information
as accurately as I could and unbiased as I could. I have not quoted
you directly, If I haven't quoted you correctly or if I have not
brought the report back T will apologize to you for it because I had
every intention of bringing it back. I don't recall saying that
Mr, Aiassa had refused; I said he has not hired the men that we
authorized him to get, As far as the comparable salary is concerned,
the report that was given to us shows that our police rank right smack
in the center of the ten that were listed in the report,
I have never made any comments about
Mr, Aiassals character and I want this clear, I have never made a
remark about his character, T have said it about his ability and I will
say it again but I have never ridiculed his character, I think it
should also be clarified and we are throwing this in just to cloud the
issue and to sidetrack the issue and I will make it clear now that
I have never said anything except that or"Ir Police Department is
working in the most efficient way that any police department can, I
think they are doing a tremendous job and for anyone to say that I
"lave said other is not correct, I have even gone to the extent of
ca".l ng Mr. Sill personally and talking with him on how he could
poss4bly help with something as a substitution for the cadet program
bee:.:_;-e I believe he needs it and if you ask Mr, Sill this, he will
ha .,e t--o verify it; , that I have worked with him to see if there is
som way to help him with his problems of shortage of men, I did say,
however, that I think Mr. Aiassa is responsible for no+ having the
mere hired th.r,t--were authorized, I think he is responsible for not
hav:i.ng replacements for the men who are on sick leave that we know
are not coming back and this I did say, This is typical of anyone
who is in that position. It is his responsibility to run the City,
'.his is "That he gets paid for, _^:•nything that goes �•,r. ong, it _i_s his
re :}onr it _lity, I have never said anything P-.bou-,: rIr, Aiassa's
character and as I said before T never will but I wi1.-1 cra_ticize
his ability because this is my responsibili-Cy as a Councilman,
^ounci .lta:an Snyder- I feel that this tilling o; a special
personnel session is a smoke screen
Ln-a°.re the issue clouded because, number )ne'j certain charae.s have
been made he-e in public; they have already by tt_e staff
Wits: this report and I will ask that this repor,.: be read in,:.. o the
recyo-t-,d, Secondly, I think it is pre'ty cl rio,r that this is a
deliberate distortion of t:n facts not promsted `.y any desJ.wre to
improve our police force but only to .;c.,ed.-'it tale Caty r'anager, I
t hink it is unfortunate that the newspaper < n .er pr-:Cnt=-d t. iie charges
a,,d that is why I feel it is necessary tha - �-h„_s staff r:�port be read
into the minutes so they may have an. oppor-i.,,J,�j..ty to :.-sin _ the facts.
I thin-. t c: thing -Chat should be
stated here is that the relative •ize of a budget loes not guarantee
_i goc.--d police force. There are t.:,ose w�-io would ash; -ghat x..,e lower
our standards in ord�-r to get po.1--cemen ~.n hurry but I, for myself,
would rather err on the side of being too strict on the quality of
our policemen than too lax, I `kink some of you ,.could be amazed at
the reasons why some of these ::,pplicants are turned down by the
psychologist and by the lie detector tests, There are various
rea_>ons among Wbi-ch some havE homosexual tendene-i.es, some have
re•.realed they hgvb used m<<)::d uana ~; the past; s^T.-.e have connections
in the past with certain criminals e-nd or anybvc; to sa- that we
should ah-an:-�Aon this method !f obt,,J nirp policemen is difficult for .me
to unde::•s can:: ,
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I think that
the charges regarding
the Puente Fire Station
and the charges regarding the City Manager
should be answered,
The Puente Fire Station,
as far as I can see, was
.not ever held up by
the City Manager; it was
held up by differences
on this Council as
to location of site,, The
failure to give a raise
to the City Manager
this year was never voted
on by this Council,, Mr,,
Heath, if he said in
public that this Council
decided not to aivve the
City Manager a raise
because of incompency was
not true; he was speaking
for himself and not
for the Council,, It has
never been voted on or
discussed in public
by this Council,,
I believe I have the right under our
rules to ask that this report of Mr.. Weeks of January 27 be read into
the Minutes at this time, only the first three pages -
"In reference to the inquiry of the
status of the personnel in the Police Departments there are,
as of this date, 4 authorized positions that are not filled,.
The Personnel Department has an Eligibility List pending with
4 men remaining to take only the psychological and pre-
employment medical,, If these four men are successful in the
last part of our examining process, the Police Department will
have its full complement of personnel,,
"There has been some problem in
recruiting enough qualified applicants to fill the vacant
positions as we had seven resignations in the calendar year of
1963, and six newly authorized positions as of 8/1/63,, This
meant recruiting a total of 13 qualified men to pass all of
the exams necessary to become a police officer for West
Covina,,
"CONTINUOUS TESTING
"In order to solve this problem
of filling a large number of vacant positions and to speed
up the length of time from submitting an application to the
date of actually being hired., the Personnel DeDartment has
started a program of continuously testing,, This means that
a man whose application qualifies him. to take a written exam
can do so at the time he submits his application,, Before
this, it took from 2 to 3 weeks from'the date of filing an
application to the date of taking the -,,mitten examination,
Up until 19£3:;3, this conventional
method of examination was adequate to replace normal turnover.
But, with 13 vacancies, more Progressive measures were needed
,,o,,,, thus the program of continuous testing. It should be
mentioned that in no -Tay were the standards lowered in the
continuous testing program,, The method of applying and the
taking of the written exam was simply made more convenient
for qualified men,,
"POLICE OFFICER STAI,TDARDS
":.hn December of 1960, the City
Council adopted Ordinance No; 687 (attached) which establishes
a policy on minimum-Dolice officer standards,, These standards
(also attached) are recommended by the Commission on Peace
Officer Standards and Training
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"If adopted by a. local governmental
jurisdiction, 'P.O.S.T.' agrees to pay 500 of the training
expenses. The 50% amount returned to the City from the State
is collected from criminal fines and is not a burden on the
taxpayers. In effect, criminals are paying for the training
of crime prevention personnel.
"In review of the established
minimum standards recommended by 'P.O.S.T.', West Covina has
extended the requirements only in the area of psychological
testing. Polygraph exams are an extension of a thorough
background investigation and the background is recommended by
BP.O,.S,T.'.
"Attached are standards for
entrance in police work for our surrounding cities. It is
noteworthy that West Covina's educational requirements are
lower than some cities and thpt the 9 cities differ in their
use of the psychological and polygraph exams. Entrance and
top salaries are entered for informational purposes.
"SUMMARY'
"In conclusion, the West Covina
Police Department in 1963 has experienced a slightly higher
turnover rate than in prior years, 0 resignations) and the
budgeting of 6 new positions created a manpower shortage
problem.. This total of.13 vacancies has been reduced to 4.
Presently there are 4 men remaining on the Eligible List who
must pass only the medical exam and they will be certified
to the Police Chief for hiring."
Councilman Snyder: The only thing we could possibly
study in this study session is
whether this Police Department is big enough and whether or not we
have enough money to pay for a bigger Police Department. I think
the criteria is not necessarily the size of their budget or the size
of the police force but the quality and I think the City Manager has
indicated he intends to pursue along with the Police Chief the hiring
of quality.
Councilman Heath: As I understand it, if these four
men are placed on the Police
Department there will still be five men off on disability some of
which have been off for six months and we expect them to be off for
another six months. We have just approved an extended leave for
more men a week ago. I feel from reading the report that these men
have not'been replaced and if they have not been replaced we ar,-
still running twelve and a half percent below what has been allotted
because we knew they were going to be off this long.
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa: I don't think you can hire a new
man in place of a man who is off on
disability to fill his vacancy when it isn't completely vacant.
These men out on personal sick leave or injuries or things like that,
their job is protected. The law so states it and they have an entitle-
ment for one year. You can't replace these men because they are
drawing the sary and I don't have any additional money in the budget
to hire these npw°men. If we do, what do we hire? Relief? Auxiliary?
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To get back to the recommendation
of the City Manager during budget time, the reason I recommended what
I did is that these cadets could be filling in some of these voids
because their salary would be set up, The Council reversed it,
Mayor Barnes: I.felt that this was the recom-
mendation but it was a policy matter
of the full Council to recommend,three additional men and delete the
cadet program,,
Councilman Snyder: The implication in the paper was
that Mr,, Aiassa prevented or attempted
to disuade us from this policy, He only recommends in the budget,
We make our own decisions,, He has a perfect right to make recom-
mendations to the Council,,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa: I think it is the responsibility
of the Manager to provide the maximum
coverage of operation to the City,, He is supposed to make recom-
mendations with reasons,, The Council when they do make these
adverse changes into the budget, the Manager should be relieved of
certain complications that arise,, If the Council had given me
exactly what I requested in the budget and then it flopped, it would
be only my fault but you have changed the recommendation and I am
doing the best I can with what the Council decided was their policy,,
When we hire a police officer he isn't put on the job right away.
He still has five or six weeks of academic training which is added
protection to the City,
Councilman Heath: It is true that every year we work
on a budget,, I think it is also
true that we look forward to the City Manager making recommendations
to the Council and advising the Council of deficiencies and making
recommendations of how they could be corrected, I also think it is
not out of line for a City Manager to come to the Council at any
time during the year and say you appropriated so many men but this
is the condition found at the present time in trying to enforce the
law and I would like to recommend to you that to replace these or
take the place of these men on injury or so forth, that you adjust
the budget to accomodate more people, It is true we make up the
budget at the end of the year but this budget is changed
continually during the year on the Council"s authorization and on
the recommendation of the City Manager, I feel that there is no
reason why these additional help or replacement could not have been
approved by the Council if they were recommended to the Council at
any time during the year,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I think the record will show that
I have continuously exposed the
Council to these long permanent types of injuries we have been
sustaining in -the Police Department, If the Council remembers the
Minutes and recommendations of the Personnel Board was we give this
one year disability. At that time we listed the number of personnel
out, Mr, Heath says we can change or modify the budget but normally
you develop a budget to stay within,
Mayor Barnes: I think we should have your
recom-
mendation on how to resolve a
question of this type,
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Councilman Jett: I think perhaps my request probably
opened ur. this whole thing, This
was brought about because of a statement made by one of our City
employees stating before the Personnel Board that we had authorized
40 police officers in the City and that we only had 31 police officers
.hired, I think the reason for making this statement was an effort to
justify an increase in salary, the inference being that they were
unable to hire these men because of the salary of West Covina being
not sufficient to entice these men to the City of West Covina, When
I saw this in this Personnel Minutes I requested that the City Manager
investigate this and make a report back to the Council why we had
a deficiency in our Police Department and the reasons for it. This
is not the report we received, It does not state the reasons I
requested,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: You made a request to answer
certain questions for you and this is
.the report that answers this,
(Passed report to Council,)
Councilman Jett: My request was to tell us if the
Council has established a policy
that made it so restrictive for us to hire police officers, if it
is because we have not provided sufficient salaries to hire them, if
we have passed rules and ordinances that have made it so restrictive
that we are unable to qualify men for these positions, I think it
behooves us to find this out and do something about it and I think
that this is the reason that I made that request, Apparently this
got sidetracked,
There have been several other things
that have been thrown into this, for instance, the police cadets, I
was against this at the time Chief Sill requested it; I am against it
today for this reason: If we are unable to find qualified men over
21 years of age to fill. the position of police officers in the City
of West Covina, how in the world are we going to get teenagers to
come in and pack a gun and do these things that we can't find qualified
men over the age of 21 to do. We get these men who pass all the
tests and then they get up before the psychologist and he tells them
they're nuts and they're out. I absolutely disagree witl this,
One thing that does concern me very
much is if we have so few men to fill these positions, there is a
question in my mind who or how come Mr, Martin and Mr. Ryan had three
or four hours of their time to devote to this gentleman going over,
the ills of the Police Department, I think time has been taken away
from their regular duties, There is a question in my mind why these
men were permitted to come into our Police Department to take up
the time of our officers for this amount of time and what they were
trying to find out I don't know,
I will probably be criticized for
this but I think our ministry has taken too much in an active part
in the politics of our country today and our Constitution tells us we
should have a separation of church and politics and I am one hundred
percent for the .separation of church and government, I still believe
in the Constitution of the United States and I will go along with it,
The budget is the way which the
Council has of reviewing and determining the business of the City,
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When the budget was submitted this year for the first time at my
request the department heads were called in to be questioned about
their request for the budget. Chief Sill was brought in and he was
questioned about his reasons for asking for these men. He was given
every opportunity to explain it. Afro Aiassa was present at that but
when we started to talk to Chief Sill Mr. Aiassa got up and walked
out of the room, He won't stay in and listen to the conversation
that went on. I think if anybody should have stayed there to hear
what the request of the Chief was that the City Administrator certainly
should have stayed there and listened to this request because he was
the one who recommended three.
I'm glad this came up because T
think this points up something that has probably been lacking. For
the purpose of ironing out a problem that is existing, not to point
a finger to any particular individual or group or anything else, but
to bring out here in the open Have we got a problem or haven't we?
I don't feel this is a closed personnel problem. This is not hiring;
it is not firing; it is not putting the finger on any individual but
it is something that has come out that has been brought out and I
think that this Council must get in here and try to find out what is
going on here. On these comparisons9.Councilman Snyder requested
that this report be read into the Minutes,, I would also like to
have these comparisons made a part of the Minutes-,
"CITIES
EDUCATION
HEIGHT
WEIGHT
"West Covina
HAS, or G.E.D.
5°8"
In pro-
6 ° 5 "
portion
to height
"Arcadia
H.S. or G.E.D.
5°8"
In pro -
no max,
portion
to height
"Alhambra
H.S. or G.E.D.
5'9"
Min.150
(College.courses
614"
over in
are desired)
proport,
"Covina
H.S. + 15 college
5'9"
145
units
6' S"'
227
"El Monte
2 yrs. college
5991'
in pros
(32 units) H.S.
no max,
portion
grad, on-ly
to height
°"Montebello
H.S. or G.E.D.
5'9"
Min. 155
no maxo
over in
proport..
to height
"Monrovia 28 units of col. 5191" min. 145
H.S. grad. no max, over in
proport.
to height
SIGHT
20/40 uncorr.
20/20 corrected
20/40 uncorr.
20/20 corrected
20/30 uncorr.
20/20 corrected
20/30 uncorr.
20/20 corrected
20/40 uncorr.
20/20 corrected
20/140 uncorr,
in weaker, cor.
to 20/25.
20/25 uncor. to
20/20 corrected
20/20 uncorr.
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"CITIES EDUCATION HEIGHT WEIGHT SIGHT
"Monterey Park
H,S, or.G,E,D, 598Y9 150 -
20/40 or better
61S" 240
uncorrected,
20/20 corrected
"Pomona
H,S, or G,E,D, 5v9" 150 min,
20/30 uncorr,
694" over in
20/20 corrected
proport,
to height
"Whittier
H.S. or G,E,D, 599" 145 -
20/30 uncorr,
6°7" 239
20/20 corrected
"CITIES
WRITTEN
ORAL PHYSICAL AGILITY
PSYCHOLOGICAL
"West Covina
70%
70% Qualifying
On recomm,
"Arcadia
70%
70% No phy, agility
On recomm,
"Alhambra
70%
70% Qualifying
On recomm,
"Covina
70%
70% Qualifying
Qualifying
"El Monte
70%
70% Qualifying
No psychol,
"Montebello
70%
70% Qualifying
No psychol,
"Monrovia
70%
70% No phy, agility
On recomm,
"Monterey Park
70%
70% No phy, agility
On r.ecomm,
"Pomona
70%
70% Qualifying
No psychol,
"Whittier
70%
70% Qualifying
No psychol,.
"CITIES
POLYGRAPH
BACKGROUND MEDICAL AGE
SALARY
"West Covina
Qualifying
Qualifying Qualify, 21-33
$516-627
."Arcadia
On report
Qualifying Qualify, 21-34
$511-622
of operator
"Alhambra
No poly,
Qualifying Qualify, 21-34
$537-653
"Covina
No poly,
Qualifying' Qualify, 21-33
$506-616
"El Monte
No poly,
Qualifying Qualify must not
$542-627
have
reached
age 35
(21)
"Montebello
No poly,
Qualifying Qualify, must not $514-626
have
reached
age 33
(21)
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COORDINATING COUNCIL REPORT 8 PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT REPORT - Continued
"CITIES
POLYGRAPH
BACKGROUND
MEDICAL
AGE
SALARY
"Monrovia
No poly
Qualifying
Qualify
must not
$531-614
have
reached
age 311 (21)
"Monterey Park
On Recomm,
Qualifying
Qualify.
21-35
$521-626
'Pomona
No polyp
Qualifying
Qualify,
21-32
$5.07-607
"Whittier
No poly,
Qualifying
Qualify,
21-35
$518-61511
Councilman Jett: I feel as far as these matters are
concerned that the City Manager is
the gplitleman who is the head of the Personnel Department and the
Personnel Department is responsible for the hiring of men, The City
Manager is in a position to push these, to hold them up, or to do as
he feels that he should do, In this case I think he has slipped, I
think he should have been busy when we were told we needed police
officers. I think he should make an extra effort to see that our
Personnel Department hires these men,
Mayo:r.Barnes:
I think Councilman Jett asked why you
went to the Police Department,
Father Wi.ttlinger: An adolescent boy in our parrish
broke the law rather severely. He
was charged with something that amounts to riding his ten speed bike
into a 70splus year old woman, knocking her downy taking her purse,
and breaking her hip. Upon the request of the mother who called me
from where she was working she learned that he had to be down at the
police station at one o'clock and knew he had an appointment with me
at one o'clock and called me and asked if I would take him down to the
station and be with him, That is how I got there,
Secondly, to relieve Sergeant Martin
..and Captain Ryan of any need for self-defense, I feel they were fully
employed and rather diligently in their duties. We were there about
two and a half hours, 45 minutes spent on the particular problem and
you will find that clergy is often involved in juvenile matters and
police officers and in lots of communities people do work together
rather than fight against each other all the time., Lastly, I think
if you would examine the history of American jurisprudence you would
see a distinct difference between separation of church and state which
is the direct placing of a particular religious body in governmental
control and compare that with the concern of the church and its clergy
and its lay people for matters such as the well being of the young
people of the community, and that is not political.; it is plain.
Christian. concern and I think we retain this right,
Councilman Jett: I think it is difficult for anybody to
get up and discuss an issue with a
minister and this is one of the reasons I feel quite strongly about
separation of church and government, The minister has the right to
get up in his church before a congregation, which is a captive
audiences and express his -opinions nothing -else, on any given subject,.
No one has the right to get up in that same pulpit and speak the
other side of the story so you get a one-sidedstory any time you get
a minister up in a pulpit, It is strictly his opini-on,
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Father Witt.linger-
My name was introduced into the actions
of the City Council not by my action,
Just remember that
Councilman. Snyder: 1 think it is a little strange that the
would defend the right of a realtor
to sit on the City Council.and not let a minister up thereo
Councilman Jett- I would question that myself because
I don't believe in it, I don't back
away from that for any reason,
Councilman Towner- These are matters of genuine com-
munity concern, They should be matters
in which we are willing to work together without heat, Certainly there
are differences of opinion but I cannot condone the attempts to use
the.matters of difference of opinion as political tools or means to
accomplish some political purpose, I think this community being what
it is should rise above this, I commend people who have community
interest whether they are school district officials or police officers
or city managers or ministers or councilmen who are willing to set
aside petty differences and work together toward the community good.
I wish we could approach this kind of problem with that attitude,
The City Council does have the
responsibility of setting the limits within which the City Manager
works and we direct him to work within these limits and he has worked as
the record clearly showed within those limits and very diligently,
The.City Council has also been provided with monthly reports of' criminal
statistics, We are as informed as our City Manager is, I don't think
we can passthe buck, Any failures, if there are any, are our own, I
think that also there is an obvious attempt to build a strawman, to
create a problem that doesn't exist, I think this kind of conduct is
reprehensible,
There are a number of misstatements of
fact that have occurred tonight, I will not try to point all of them
out, For example, it was stated by Councilman Jett that the program
involving police cadets was to put teenagers in with a gun and give them
the duties of police officers, This is false, The theory of the police
cadet program was developed by our Police Chief at the F,B,I, Academy
in a report that was received very well. back there and which is published
nationally and I think well received in other communities, These young
men are taken in and trained as career police officers and given non-
enforcement duties. The men they relieve on the non-,enforcement,duties
are placed on the fire line,
I think I would disagree on abolishing
psychological examinations, I can't see how we would hire police
officers and run the risks that other cities have run in this critical
job where a man, for example, which happened in a neighboring community,
was setting fires because he liked to see the response from his fellow
officers or in another community who was alleged to have a burglary
ring, I think we can avoid things of this nature with the proper
examination, We'cannot compete with Los Angeles City and Los Angeles
County salarywise, We have authorized a study which will bring us closer
competitivewise with these other jurisdictions. Of the seven officers
who left our services last year, two retired for personal reasons; one
retired for age; and four of them left for County and Highway Patrol
jobs, I would say it is time we quit the political bickering, Let's
get back on the track and work together in this community,
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Councilman Jett; I think what Councilman Towner h.as
brought out is good. I think -What
I had to say and every man had to say -on the Council is let's figure
out these'problemse I think we are all trying to get down and'find out
what our problem is. This report that Mr. Aiassa has just given me -'is
kind of revealing but hasn't the information I wanted. What I wanted y'
to know was the reasons why we are not getting enough policemen; whether
or not it's money or what; is our test too rigid or too stringent. This
is what I asked for,
Mr. Aiassao This is coming about from our own
internal study. This report gives
you a basic idea of where these people who have left have gone, No
matter what you pay in salary, for personal reasons and retirement,
you're not going to keep these men because salary isn't the issue, The
only two things we have ever had that doesn't require reason was age and
personal reasons.
"WORK SCHEDULE - 2/23/64
Morning
BEAT NO. UNIT NO.
—fib_
31
32
33
35
36
Relief #1 (32-31-36)
Relief #2 (32-30-35)
DAY
30
31
32
33
35
36
RELIEF #1 (31-30-36)
RELIEF #2 (31-32-35)
Vac Rel(35) 2/23-3/7
Vac--.Rel (2d Bt o Rel , 3/8
EVENING
thru 3/28/64
DAYS OFF
TUE*WED
MON*TUE
SUX*MON
WED*THUR
THUR*FRI
WED*THUR
P.RI*SAT
SAT* SUN
TUE*WED
MON*TUE
WED* THUR
WED*THUR
FRI*SAT
THUR*FRI
SAT* SUN
SUN*MON
thru 3/23
JU
TUE*WED
31
MON*TUE
32
SUN*MON
33
TUE*WED
35
FRI*SAT
36
SAT*SUN
RELIEF #1 (35-32-30)
WED*THUR
RELIEF #2 (36-31-30)
THUR*FRI
Vac Rel (30) 3/24 thru
3/28
OFFICER
GRIESHABER
LEAVITT
DOHERTY
ELROY
ELLIS
HOLMES
KORTAN
FOR STER
KELLIHER
DIEZSI
LEBLANC
McGUIGAN
CLEPPER
CORBY
RIVERA
RIVERA
MILLER
BATEMAN
SMITH
OLSON
COLLINS
FORRESTER
SICURANZO
RIVERA
VACATIONS
2/21 thru 3/7
Mar thur Mar 23
3/24 thru 4/8
LIEUTENANTS - SERGEANTS - DISPATCHERS - 2/23/64 thru 3/28/64
LIEUTS DAYS OFF VACATIONS
MORN SAT*SUN MEEHAN
DAY
EVE. TUE*WED HENRY
REL, THUR*FRI GODDARD
Sat & Sun -Morn, Mon -Day Tue & Wed -Eve,
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Work Schedule.,- Continued:
"SGTS.
DAYS OFF
MORN,
WED*THUR
MILLER
DAY
MON*TUE
ANDERSON
EVE,
SUN*MON
COLVIN
REL,
FRI*SAT
GOMEZ
Sun & Mon - Eve
Tue-Day
DISPS
DAYS OFF
MORN,
THUR*FRI
DAY
SAT*SUN
EVANS - EFGEN
EVE,.
SUN*MON
ANTHONY .
REL.
TUE*WED
MEEK - WADUM
Thur & Fri -Morn.
Sat -Day
VACATIONS
Wed & Thur-Morn,
VACATION
Sun &, Mon -Eve . "
Councilman Jett: You're not getting my point. What
I requested was the reason we are
unable to hire new men, not the reason they are quitting'arid leaving
us,We have to replace these men; What is the reason,we can't get them,
Mr, Aiassa: You also must realize that we'had
other vacancies before you created
these.extra positions. We do replace as quickly as we can, as they occur
and we might have had a vacancy that we had to actually fill including
these additional positions you authorized.
Mayor Barnes: I would like to commend Father
Wittlinger and Mro Feldman, These
two, the church and the school, next to the parents of the children
should be and are the most interested people in our City. Our Police
can only play a part. We shouldri'.t look to the Police Department for
the complete juvenile correction, The Church and the School and the
parents -all play a greater part. Another thing brought out was the
inadequacy of salary. I think the cadet program was a good program
if we didn't need the men, and they kept telling us we were short.
The cadet program was good to train people who would later become very
good policemen but we couldn't wait for this, This is the reason we
added those men now for the protection of the citizens of West Covina.
I would like at this time to ask Chief Sill to give us a report of the
personnel on day, the cars that are on shift, the swingshift, same thing,
and the graveyard shift. (See above). I think we have to know these
things. Then we will have the opportunity of going over this with Mr,
Aiassao I think with this, I would like to see some real good thinking
and I would like to have a recommendation or a motion from the Council
on what you would like to see done at this point. Do you want to refer
this to the Personnel Board for their recommendation back to us in view
of the facts presented tonight.
Councilman Jett: Maybe that is where it should start,
Councilman Towner: It seems to me our budget session is
coming up where recommendations will
be made by the various departments as to staffing, including the Police
Department, and these will go through the department head to the Finance
Officer through the City Manager before they come to the City Council
and when they reach us .they will,be pretty well shaken down and they
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will have the .justification for their request, This is part of our
upcoming budget study which we are ready to start, I don't think
any collateral studies are needed, This is part of one program, I
think we can leave it at that and take it all together, I don't think
any action is necessary at this time because the study is underway,
Mayor Barnes: I think this is agreeable with the
Council,
Mr, Kupferer: I was with the Police Department, I
am one of the two who resigned for
personal reasons, There were gentlemen on the Police Department who
resigned as you said and have' -admitted for reasons of economic purposes
in going to the County or other agencies to improve that area,
The main thing I would speak on
tonight is regarding what the reverend had to say and what some of
you gentlemen have very efficiently thrown a smoke screen around as
to the lack of personnel in the Police Department notwithstanding who
has left and who has been replaced and why they haven't been replaced_
thus far, I think he hit it on the head when he said that dimensions
of the Los. Angeles County Sheriffs and the Police Agency of the City
of Los Angeles.obtain personnel that are adequate for their means. If
you gentlemen recall a year ago I was before you as the president of
the Employees' Association, We presented to you facts and figures,
statistics that proved we were short of manpower; that we were not
going to be able to obtain the necessary manpower unless we increased
the wage benefits, the fringe benefits of the agencies here,, police
and fire both, and the miscellaneous employees, 1 think this is the
crux of the problem and I am glad to see that for the first time since
I have been with the City, which was eight years, that a citizen found
out that the reason we don't have these people is because you as a
Council are unwilling to go ahead and take the necessary means to
provide, whether it be increased taxes or what, the protection these
people are entitled to. You are attempting, and you have limited
your surveys to the cities which are substandard compared to the City,
you have compared us to Azusa, Covina, Glendora, which are ridiculous
as far as job issues, yet you will compare us to a city which has a
population of 149000, some with square mileage haler of �,.�hat we have
here, You will refuse constantly to even acknowledge the fact that
we do some of the work and in a great many cases exactly the work of
the County. I think it is time since you want to play politics with
certain issues and certain personnel in the administration here that
citizens of this community awake and play a little politics themselves
and make it known that they are tired of hearing strict-Ly zoning matters
_end real estate problems and start looking into the governmental
;problems that face this C.:ity and the police ager_cy's deficiency as
far as this type of manpower is just one, Thez-e are numerous,
Mayor Barnes:
There is going to
of the depar+ments
on July 1st,
be a restudy of all
to be considered
-Councilman Snyder: I would suggest if this is feasible
that you submit a report in writing
to be consider.d, At budget time possibly through the Police Chief or
the City Manager,,
Mr, Kupferer: At the last budget session we gave to
you people what we felt and what we
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COORDINATING COUNCIL REPORT,& PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT REPORT ® Continued
were told a most comprehensive report, We requested seven and a half
percent, we requested different commitments on your part as to allowing
the County to be installed if you wanted to be complete about it, use
the whole 77 or some odd cities in the area,
Councilman Jett: I think that we should use as a basis
for establishing salaries not just
comparison with what Joe Doakes makes or some other city makes but the
quality of workmanship that the employees are putting out for the people
of West Covina and I think this should be one of the biggest bases
where we establish our salary basis,
Mr, Kupferer: If you look in the records you will
find that there was a two -face issue
brought to your attention at the last budget when I was president of
the Employees' Association that covered not only a statistical survey
of other cities -but a complete job breakdown of four benchmark positions
in each department, I don't know how much more you can ask for as far
as job ability in this City,
Mayor Barnes: The Council has asked that the
Personnel Board employ an expert to do
this, to make this report,
Councilman.I-ieath: I am more confused than ever right now,
We have been given an extensive report
supposedly and I think it is all summed up on this one page where since
1958 better than five years, they have 22 people that have left: the
Police Department which makes an average of about four a year, Of
these 22 people, three have gone to the Sheriffs Office, two to the
Highway Patrol, and one has gone to the Marshall's Office, Out of
the 22 people, I am at a loss to account -to myself the fact that we
are losing so many to the County because of salary and we have '_ost
three in five years and two to the Highway Patrol and all Lecause of
tremendous differences in salary, Is this report now or what?
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa: That came out of the master file,
Per, Kupferer: I enjoyed my position as a patrol
officer in this City very much. I'
decided not strictly for economical purposes, but it was a big factor,
that I was,�going to spend the next four years of my life studying law
and bettering myself, If I had a good -paying policeman's job here
that might not have happened,
Councilman Heath:
Mr, Kupferer:
Councilman Heath:
This report shows personal reasons.
I think you are well aware of why
people leave here,
On the second page of this report it
shows ten cites listed, five above us
and five below us,
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - Continued
RALPH-ZODY
Mr, Gene Kritchevsky- This concerns a newspaper article, In
the prevailing spirit of brotherly
love I would like a bit of light rather than heat shed on this issue.
Not very long ago I brought forth to the Sentinel by way of trying
to correct impressions that they gave in an article concerning matters
that went on on this floor several weeks ago, This material included
a letter which was read into the record on this floor approximately
five weeks ago concerning a resolution dealing with the Ralph®Zody
situation,' When they finally published an article which I expected
would clarify what I thought was the main point to the whole business
the following line was included- "The original precise plan which was
subsequently altered stipulated that no truck traffic would be permitted
between the south end of the loading dock behind Ralph's and the north
end of the loading area of Zody's," The personnel at"the Sentinel
office told me that evidently the material they received by phone from
the City Hall took precedence over the material I presented to them
which was a part of the public record of this City and it seemed to me
that this statement and the statement of the reporters of the Sentinel
indicated that sometime without our knowledge the item and the resolu-
tion that pertained to the truck traffic had been altered, I would
like to know from the Council. whether or not this occurred without
our knowledge, without the -knowledge of the voters of West Covina,
to whom quite a bill of goods was peddled at time heavily leaning
on this point,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- I don't know who in the City Hall
put any preference over what he has
mentioned here because I have not been in correspondence on this,
I don't know where this data came from,
Mr, Gene Kritchevsky-
Councilman Snyder -
Mayor Barnes,
Mr. Gene Kritchevskyo
City Manager, Mr, Aiassae
the parking in the back when we
design, This has been some time
officially on this but we had no
is concerned,
The reporters said they called City
Hall and from the City Manager's
office received a statement,
There is no official record in our
Minutes of any alteration.
We cannot govern what the papers print,
I understand that, I wanted to find
out what the actual score was,
They probably talked to the Building
Department and we did some changing of
allowed that fence construction and the
ago and the Council did take action
changing as far as this truck business
Mr, Gene Kritchevsky- I was familiar with the deletion of
the parking spaces -and the loading
ramp that was put in without prior authorization,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-
That is the only thing that has been
altered and it did come from the
Manager's office; approved by the
City Council.
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Mr, Gene Kritchevsky:
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Mayor Barnes:
Page Twenty -Three
The whole story,is,basically the -
same superfluous information they
printed in the first story.
We can't control what they print,
Mr, Gene Kritchevsky: There was a monumental foulup some
place and this was a part of the
continuing pattern which has been continuing for a long time and -I wanted
the record clear on that point about the'12'th section of the resolution
concerning the truck traffic. I gave a copy of the resolution and the
letter we=submitted to the paper.
Councilman Snyder: We can reaffirm to our knowledge
'we don't recall making any alter-
ations in the resolution regarding the truck traffic except regarding
the fence which you already know about.
Mr. Aiassa:
CITY CLERK'S REPORTS
INITIATIVE PETITIONS FOR ELECTION
I'll check up on this.
Mr, Flotten: I must publish a preliminary notice
of an election. One of the items
on there is the hours that you want the polls to remain open. Generally
they are from seven to seven.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that the polls be open from seven in the morning to 7:00 P.M.
Mr. Flotten: There will be some arguments on
the initiative petitions that the
Council will have. We must set a date beyond which we will not accept
arguments because we are up against a deadline. The maximum date you
can file an argument is the 28th of February. We must post this notice
in the paper. They have.to be submitted anytime before five o'clock.
Motion by Councilmam Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that arguments will be accepted up to five o'clock on February 28, 1964.
Mr, Flotten: Council must pass a resolution
authorizing certain of its mem-
bers to write the arguments either for or against a measure. The pub-
lic may submit as many arguments as they like and the City Clerk may
select one but he can't combine any,
Mayor Barnes: Who would -like to help on writing
this?
Councilman Heath: I will write one side.
Councilman Jett: I will help him.
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INITIATIVE PETITIONS FOR ELECTION - Continued
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that the City Clerk be directed to prepare a resolution that will
permit Councilmen Heath and Jett to write the.�_rgument contrary to
the proposed initiative regarding the City Manager's Ordinance.
RESOLUTION NO, 2862 The City Clerk presented:
ADOPTED "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF 'WEST COVINA AUTHORIZING CERTAIN
OF ITS MEMBERS TO FILE A WRITTEN ARGUMENT
FOR A CITY MEASURE OR AGAINST A CITY
MEASURE"
Mayor Barnes: Hearing no objections, we will waive
further reading; of the body of the
resolution,
Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, that said
resolution be adopted, Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes: None
Absent None
ISaid resolution was given No, 2862,
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten: On the 10tha one week from tonight,
you have to adopt this resolution:
"RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF WEST COVINA CALLING AND GIVING
NOTICE OF THE HOLDING OF A GENERAL
MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID
CITY ON THE 14TH DAY OF APRIL, 1964,
FOR THE ELECTION OF CERTAIN OFFICERS
OF THE SAID CITY AS PROVIDED BY THE
PROVISIONS OF THE LAWS OF THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA RELATING TO GENERAL LAW
CITIES AND FOR THE SUBMISSION TO THE
QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF SAID CITY OF A
CERTAIN QUESTION, PROPOSITION OR
MEASURE RELATING TO , , ,"
Councilman Jett: In view of the fact that the employees
have had an increase in salary every
year and that the City Manager has received raises in salary, everybody
has been getting raises in salary.and I think when the salary for the
Council was established it was based on $25,00 per night, based on
two meetings per month. Everybody is aware of the number of meetings
that are required of the Council,• We meet every Monday night, anywhere
.from four to six, seven hours, Therd'. are one, two, three meetings.
during the weeko The time that is required of them is becoming more
and more all the time and I think they are entitled to an increase in
their salary, I would like to see it go on the ballot. I think the
Council is entitled to $100,00 a month and the Mayor $150.00 a month.
I.would like to this go on the ballot,
Mayor Barnes: You can submit this and we.can vote
on it next week,
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INITIATIVE PETITIONS ,FOR ELECTION Continued
Councilman Snyder-. I would like to see what they get
in other general law cities around.
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten:
Councilman Jetts
Councilman Snyder-,
Councilman Jett'.
Councilman Snyder,.
Councilman Towner-.
Councilman Snyder-.
Councilman Jett-.
City Manager,"Mr, Aiassa-.
If you let me know next week we can
read the caption of the resolution and
develop the body at a later time*
I feel free to make this because I
don't intend to run for this office
again.
It cannot apply for the men running
for Council at this election.
The. men who are not running it wouldn't
apply to.
No, I would like that clarified before
we vote on it,
I think you will find it will apply
to all of them.
It cannot apply for those running at
election at the same time it is on
the ballot.
I was under the impression that those
running for election would but those
already elected would not.
I will check this out for you.
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten-. I want to destroy all the ballots in
the election for the years 1958,
1960 and 1962, This must be destroyed and there has to be a witness
and it will probably be the Deputy City Clerk.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the City Clerk be authorized to destroy the ballots of 19'5.8,
1960 and 1962,
Councilman Heath-. I have another proposal for something
for the ballot, I have no ambitions
.. whatsoever with it. I don't intend to apply for it and you can have
a sworn affidavit to this effect if you care to, I think Mr. Towner
will bear out with me the fact that we need some publicity in the City.
We, need some leadership in the City and there are many times that we
suffer because of the fact we don't have this representation. What
I am talking about is an elected mayor and, believe me, I don't want
it if it does come about. I am not intere,-eted in it' but I do know
that the City of Pomona has prospered trem'ndou,sly by the use of a mayor.
They'pay him $500,00 a month. I know that -the City of Alhambra has
prospered tremendously with are elected may:or,' It is awfully incon
venient and it is hurting to the community to have a city of almost
60,000 peopel where they are opening stores, they are calling for City
services, they are calling for a City recognition and to have a Mayor
sitting in Los Angeles or in Huntington Park or somewhere else, I think
the City will benefit tremendously and the City will'be.promoted
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INITIATIVE PETITIONS FOR ELECTION - Continued
Page Twenty -Six
tremendously if they had this type of office filled. I won't propose
any more than $400.0'00 a month but I think you have to admit that the
Pomona Mall was put there, the other activities have been put there, I
think you will have to agree that the office of the mayor helped a lot
on them getting the Superior Court. As Mr. Towner will point out, when
he opened his office over there they had at least 200 people there and
it was a terrific publicity program,and a lot had to do with the
:mayor who had the time to do it because he was elected full time. I do
feel we need a full-time mayor because we are a grown-up City now.
If this goes on`the ballot at this time you cannot elect.a mayor at
this time. If it goes on the ballot and passes at this time the mayor
would be elected two years from now and not at the same election where
it is decided there should or should not be an elected mayor._
Councilman Snyder: I think there are other considerations.
If you are going to have an elected
mayor you should enlarge your Council to seven, I think before you
.put this'on theballot you are going to have to tell the people what
".,would be the duties and responsibilites as a mayor as compared to the
council and I don't think in a week we have time to define this. I
am not convinced that you are going for $400,00 would get a mayor of
any caliber. I am.not so sure that Pomona has prospered. I think
there are a lot of factors regarding the elected mayor that we do not
have time to.debate or discuss in a week.
Councilman Towner: Mr. Heath is certainly right that I
have commented on the need for affirmative
leadership in this community and I think this is the secret of the
promotional success of Pomona such as it is. We, too, have had some of
that success and I think, unfortunately, we haven't had our fair share
of it because there has been a negative attitude in the City, at
.least on the City Council$ rather than an affirmative progressive
attitude. I think it is a state of mind, not a form of government
that is at stake here. I think you can have leadership through your
elected council and it's choice of a man as mayor and that leadership
would depend on the men involved in the office and certainly we could
provide it under our present form of government. I think if you have
an elected mayor that you are very apt to have a split with the mayor
going one direction and the council going the other and this can cause
difficulties rather than working together. I think also I would agree
it is not a question of who is interested in the office; it is a
question of what is the best form of government for this .city. I
don't think you can elect a $400o00-a-month politician who could
provide us"with leadership, You don't get that caliber of man.
You would have to get your administration from appointive professional
administrator who works then under your guidance and control and subject
to your policy and provide the promotional and political leadership
through the council and its chosen mayor. I am not in agreement that
this should be an issue on the ballot.
Mayor Barnes: I think Pomona has gained a great deal
by this. I have had several comments
throughout the City from citizens saying they feel that West Covina
has become the size now where there should be an elected mayor. I
feel with this we need time; -we need to promote these things. It .is
difficult with my job in Huntington Park - to try to run out here for
a luncheon. I take a substantial amount of time as it is but you
can't be here all the time for the important things that have to be
done. I think we should consider all the ramifications of it and I
am wondering if we have time within a week to consider this. I
definitely do think it should be considered. 4
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INITIATIVE PETITIONS FOR ELECTION ® Continued-
Councilman Snyder: Can municipal items be put on the
primary ballot .for the general
election in November?
City Manager, Mr,.Aiassa: Yes, we will check with the County Clerk.
Councilman Snyder: It seems to me that there is more
time to discuss it before those
elections than before this election coming up,
Councilman Heath: I agree with the time factor,
. Councilman Snyder:
RECREATION AND PARKS
MEETING DATES
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten:
CITY MANAGER REPORTS
LEASE -PURCHASE REPORT
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
Councilman Snyder:
Mayor Barnes:
I think maybe now is the time to dis-
cuss it and really find out how people
feel about it,
The regular meetings will be on the
fourth Tuesday instead of the fourth
Thursday of each month,
We have to have another meeting with
Mr, Bulot on this lease option
purchase for the civic center,
I thought after Mr, Williams' comment
we backed' -off on that,
That's what I thought,
Councilman Towner: I was under the impression this man
was able to provide us with at least
the preliminaries without any cost to the City and we could go up
almost to the cost of the ,actually authorizing the financing with them
carrying the ball with np expense to the City,
Councilman Snyder: I am for that but it was my under-
standing we dropped this,
Councilman, Jett- Unless we; were pretty serious about
the idea I hesitate to have somebody
spend their money, time and effort knowing that. they. don't,ha-ve a chance,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: This is my feeling,
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LEASE -PURCHASE -REPORT - Continued
Councilman Jett,
Page Twenty -Eight
As far as I'm concerned, tell him no,
Councilman Snyder-. Let's put it this way, His system
of lease option purchase is new, I
think, as Mr, Williams says, it is a way of getting around the law on
bond issues, From this standpoint, lets see how it.operates for a
year in some of the other cities and if it proves ethical and acceptable
to the people, I think we should consider it at that time,
Mayor Barnes, Also I think we should consider that
maybe through the Chamber and the
Council and everyone promoting the civic center and the auditorium
maybe we can get the people interested,
Councilman Snyder: I won't consider going on.this type
of contract without approval of the
citizens because you are circumventing the law to, a certain extent,
Councilman Jett: I think one thing we need before
anything else is a Police Department,
jail and a place for housing our Police Department,
Councilman Heath,
is a definite need and use for
have a joint meeting with the
and determine if we want to go
forward full -steam or knock it
Councilman Snydere
other citizens' groups but
full public knowledge with
whatever you call it you're
you wouldn't be allowed to
for a bond act,
I think there is a need for this
lease purchase and I still feel there
it. I think what we should do now is
Chamber and the Council and sit down
and if we do on what and then go
off completely,
I would agree with that. I think
the Chamber of Commerce and some
if this is done I think it should be with
the method being used because in effect
commiting this City to a large debt that
do without a vote of the people if you went
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
to set up a public hearing to listen to the lease purchase plan proposed
by Stone and Younger to be presented to the full Council with a
representation of a committee by the Chamber of Commerce after which
we will.. sit down and determine if we want to go ahead and if so in
what direction and invite all other organizations in the City,
MINNEAPOLIS-HONEYWELL
(Wall problem)
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa, We have a letter from the controller
of Minneapolis -Honeywell. You have
all received copies of this, The Planning Commission initiated this
wall deal and I think we should refer it to them for a report for the
Council, I would like permission to refer this to the Planning Com-
mission and have them make a report to the Council what disposition
should.be taken because they initiated this and set up the wall.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, and carried,
that this matter be referred to the Planning Commission for further
report,
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CITY MANAGER REPORTS Continued
EL DORADO STORM DRAIN
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.: I would like to have the Council look
at this report because the Park. and
Recreation Commission wanted to discuss this with us. as a future park
site, They want to collect more data then they just did;.on.that-
motion, I think we might hold this report on the drainage because if
you°re not actually do something about this; I would like the Council
to read it and bring .it up at my next agenda meeting and you can decide
what you want to do.
Mayor Barnes:
Very well.
CPRA CONFERENCE
(Cleo Boschoff on April 1,2,3, 1964,)
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: This is in the budget for Cleo to go
to Palm Springs for this conference,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that Cleo
Boschoff be given permission to go to the CPRA Conference ir. Palm
Springs on April.1, 2, 3, 1964, Motion passed on roll call as follows:
Ayes: Councilmen
Noes: None
Absent: None
NED GILBERT PROPERTY
(Mossberg Avenue)
Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa:
I would like it acknowledged
discuss them at a later time,
Mayor Barnes:
At the Council's request, we have made
a report on Ned Gilbert°s weed abatement,
that you received these reports and we will
Fine,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: I have a memo dated February 21, 1964
directed to me and the Council from
Mr. Pontow re this matter, I would like this spread in the Minutes:
"The attached letters and pictures
of the Ned Gilbert property speak for themselves, This property
is a prime example of the purpose of the Weed and Rubbish
Abatement program,
"The.other property located at
Yaleton and the north frontage road was cleared of rubbish con-
sisting mostly of large branches broken from the fruit trees
on the property and from yard trimmings dumped on the
property, Children had built 'Forts' large enough to hide
in, 'utilizing said trees and rubbish,
"Pictures were taken on most lots
where rubbish .was removed but in some cases the camera was
unavailable or circumstances interfered with getting a
picture, The Yaleton lot was not photographed, however, both
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Page Thirty
the City Inspector and the Assessment Engineer were at the site
while the rubbish was being L,emoved, There was considerable
discussion about the 'Forts' and the owner's agent, Mr. Ford,
was considering removal of the twelve tree stumps on the
property, Each stump has fast growing sucker branches which the
children break off for additions to their °Forts',
"Mr, Ford has on several occasions,
requested that anyone interested in removing the stumps, contact
him, Consequently, several people who do this type of work
have been referred to Mr..Ford,.however, excessive cost has
prohibited him from entering into a contract,"
/s/ R. E, Pontow
City Engineer
FASTER TREE PLANTING PROGRAM
City Manager,Mr, Aiassa: I would like to have a meeting with
the Council on this. I think West
Covina Beautiful might participate in this,
Councilman Heath: They will participate,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa: It might be smarter to have a meeting
with the citizens' group before we
have it with the Council but I want your expression first to see
;whether or not you will give us support, I would like to set this up
probably the same time we have Mr, Bulot of Stone and Younger here,
Mayor Barnes-, I think this is agreeable with the
rest of the Council,
TRAILER AND BOAT PARKING
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-,
We have had a complaint on this,
..acknowledge to this lady that we
(Read report re this matter.) I can
do have such an ordinance. There is
no provision which does not include trailers, boats or cars,
Councilman Heath:
I think you will have a terrible time
particular case here and it is a
enforcing that, I saw this
case where the man had a trailer in
there temporarily,
Councilman Snyder;
The question is whether ar,not to
enforce this ordinance,
Councilman Heath:
If you will give me a zoning on a
will fence it and charge storage
particular piece of property, I
and people can store their boat inside
of a wire fence,
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TRAILER AND BOAT. PARKING - Continued
Councilman Jett. I think this particular party talked
to me about this,, I think you will
find cases that are unsightly but I don't see how we can enforce this,,
I would like to see some modification in this ordinance,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa.
Mayor Barnes.
CALIFORNIA AVENUE SPEED ZONE
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa.
next Manager's agenda meeting.
Mayor Barnes.
We can turn it over to the Planning
Commission and let them come up
with some ideas,
I,think that is a fine idea,
I have a report, Look it over
and we will bring it up at our
Just.acknowledge.receipt of the.reporto
All right,,
TRUCK ROUTE QUESTION
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa. The Traffic Department would like
to have the Council review the need
for truck route amendments, The only one involved is on Garvey Avenue,
The attorney has to prepare an amendment to Section 3140 of the
Municipal Code,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, and carried,
that the City.Attorney be directed to draw an amendment to Section
3140 of the Municipal Code relating to Garvey Avenue as a truck route,
PROJ> MP 6430
West Covina plaza Driveway
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa. We had a meeting with the owners, Mr.
Shulman and Mr,, Wood'on the relocation
of the driveway at the West Covina Plaza at Center and Batelaan,
The City presented the A plan that was approved by the Council and
was approved by both men who agreed to pay for the on -site improvement
cost,, The City will assume the off -site improvement cost, The City
forces could restripe the parking lot inside at the same time the
contract work was being performed in the public street and the City would
bill the property, owners for the cost to the City. They agreed to this,
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried,
that the recommendation of the staff be approved regarding the re-
location of the driveway of the West Covina Plaza, MP-6430,
GLENDORA NAME CHANGE '
Councilman Heath. I would like to ask the Council to
consider sending this back to the
Chamber of Commerce for a certain report, It seems that these
people along Glendora have expressed their opinion to the Chamber
and let's give it back to them and let them come up with a report,
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Councilman Snyder: I would agree, I think we have aroused
a lot of opposition but not a great
deal for within,the.City, Personally it.makes no difference to me; it
just makes good sense, that's all.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that this problem on the renaming of Glendora Avenue be forwarded to
the Chamber of Commerce for a further reports (Councilman Towner
voted ."No",)
Councilman Towner: I think it has bounced around long
enough, The last action we took
was to allow 30 days for those who claimed opposition to come up with
their petition and reasons,
DEEP LOT HEARING BY PLANNING COMMISSION
Councilman Heath: I read the Planning Commission Minutes
of the Deep Lot Study and I think
that Chairman Renwick should be commended on the way he handled the
meeting and on the comments he made and I think he led it toa very
successful meeting,
Mayor Barnes:
I think the meeting was good as a
whole. It was very organized and
well run,
Councilman Heath: One thing I picked up in those
Minutes is something I think has
been erroneously stated to the Planning Commission, unless I am wrong,
on the potential zoning. I have been on the Council for six years
and I can remember that there were many times we were told by a city
attorney that if someone had potential zoning on the property all they
had to do was apply for the firming up of this zoning and it had to be
given to them,, It was my understanding when we stated that we would
eliminate this potential zoning that if the property owners.would pay
for the engineering and send it through to the City, the City would
waive the filing fee and we would grant the zoning,, It was not my
understanding definitely that these people had to go through the
burden of proof just as if they didn't have the potential zoning, If
I'm wrong, I would like to be corrected,,
Councilman Jett:
This substantially is my opinion of it.,
Councilman Snyder: I think you're right but there is one
legal obstacle and that is in a
changing of zoning somebody has a legal right to object so then, in
effect, the burden of proof falls on somebody if there are objections,
Councilman Towner: I think the way'it was stated by.our
City.Attorney and I thought we were
all in agreement on it that before taking a potential zone out.of the
ordinance we were going to give these people a certain amount of
time in which to firm up their application but if they did come in
they were in the same position of anybody else who came in for an
application. There may be particular presumptions that might apply
to an application under a potential zoning, they would stand in the
same place they stood before except they had a certain time within
which to act,
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Councilman Snyder: It seems to me this would be all we
could do,
Councilman Heath: What would be the advantage of the
people with potential zoning?
Mayor Barnes: We will waive the fee and they were to
bring in the radius map, submit the
names and the fee would be wiaved but I don't think it was an automatic
bedause.I think bylaw -you can't do it that way.
Councilman Heath: I think if we are not treating them
as far as burden of proof is concerned
the same as we treated these people a year ago you're not being fair
to these people,
Councilman Snyder: They still had to file a precise plan,
Councilman Heath: When there was opposition in the past
the City Attorney told us it should
overruled because of the fact they had potential zoning and the City
had an obligation to firm the zoning up,
Councilman Towner: I think it's a legal question, We
intended that these people stand
on the same footing as before except they have this additional time
before they lose their potential zoning and that the City will pick.
up the fee but they file the proper papers, Otherwise, they are on
the .same footing as before
Councilman Heath: As long as we all understand this,
Councilman Towner: The only difference we might have is
what the footing was before. This
is a question.for the City Attorney,
Councilman Heath: Okay, I didn't want the Planning
Commission to be under a mis-
apprehension,
DECISION REGARDING FRANK DePIETRO
PRECISE PLAN HEARING
Hearing .set for.February 10
Mayor Barnes: I think the Council should consider
the letter from Mr, DePietro, He
wanted this read into the Minutes:
"Reasons why the Appeal was withdrawn
111, Because the condition of the
P1an.Commission was a condition and not a denial,
2, Because I was convinced that
it was a condition, given with very evasive study,
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DECISION. REGARDING FRANK DePIETRO PRECISE PLAN HEARING -'Continued
113. Because when I informed the
Honorable Councilmen and the Honorable Mayor individually and
invited them to inspect the location, automatically I appealed
to their discretion for the decision,
114, Because I was and I am confident
that the Honorable Body of the Council, will not admit such
abortion when they represent the ultimate in decision, rulings,
etc, And because I have faith in the majority of the
Council Body of West Covina, for temperance, widom and justice.
drew the Appeal,"
"Only for those reasons I with -
There being no further business, Motion by Councilman Jetts seconded
by Councilman Towner, and carried, that this meeting be adjourned
at 12.35 A,M,
ATTEST.
.CIT.Y_CLERK
APPROVED —Ll(t�C,/, t;�3,
MAYOR
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