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MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
CITY OF WEST COVINAt CALIFORNIA
JANUARY 69 1964
The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council was called to order
by Mayor Barnes at 8-45 P.M. in the West Covina City Hall, Councilman
Snyder led the Pledge of Allegiance. The invocation was given by
Councilman Towner.
ROLL CALL
Present; Mayor Barnes, Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder
Others Present-, Mr,, George Aiassa, City Manager
Mr, Robert Flotten, City Clerk & Administrative Assistant
Mr, Thoma's J. Dosh, Public Services Director
Absent-, Mr, Harry Co Williams, City Attorney
Mr,, Harold Joseph, Planning Director
MAYOR'S REPORTS
FRANCISQUITO-LARK ELLEN COUNTY ZONING
Mrs, Merritt We are disturbed about the piece
1829 McWood Street of property up for rezoning at
West Covina the corner of Francisquito and
Lark Ellen, Mr. Jett is on
record with the County as having made a statement that the Council
voted three to one that they would not object to the zone change,
We listened to the Minutes and there is no such thing in the Minutes.
Their lawyer did make that statement,
Councilman:. Jett-, For the record, I would like to
clarify that statement that "Mr.
Jett is on record". I am not on record down there as making any such
statement.
Mrs. Merritt-, Their attorney made the statement
that you told him that the
Council voted three to one as not being opposed to the zone change.
Councilman Jett-, I talked to Mrs. Merritt last
Tuesday. It was in the presence
of Mr. Aiassa that I had this conversation. I said, "I want you to
understand that I never speak for the Council; I only speak for
myself and never do I want to intimate or anyone to think that I
speak for the Council; that I didn"t remember just what the action
was on this specific case but as well as I could remember that the
Council unanimously decided to do nothing about it because it had come
to our attention so late and we took no action for or against." I
also said that it would be possible that it was on a three -to -two
vote but I didn°t remember any vote being taken.
Mrs. Merritt-, This is not what their lawyer
said and this is on record in
the County and we would like to request that the Council does write
the Regional Planning Commission,, Your Planning Commission has taken
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FRANCISQUITO-LARK ELLEN COUNTY ZONING - Continued
a very definite stand against it, They finished reading their letter
when it was stated that the Council had a threemto=one vote as not
opposing this,
Councilman Heath, I don't think we took any action
on this because the Planning
Commission already had opposed this and we felt since they had opposed
it that this would act as protest enough,
Councilman Snyder-, I think the Regional Planning
Commission would consider a
written letter from our Planning Commission to be much more valid than
a statement by the attorney for the proponents,. They are experienced
enough to know that this is not necessarily true,
Councilman Towner-, I think probably what we should
do if there is some misinformation
given to the Regional Planning Commission that certainly we should at
least clarify that and it would appear to be in order to send them a
missile to that effect, I think the action of the Council basically
was that the Planning Commission wrote a letter and we had no objection
to the letter; we felt it stated a good position and, therefore, there
was no need for any further action,
Mrs, Merritt -
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hat is not what is on record.
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, and
carried, that the Mayor be authorized to write a letter to the
County Regional Planning Commission clarifying the position of the
City Council with relation to the Lark Ellen-F"rancisquito zoning
matter as indicated in the Minutes of the Council meeting concerning
the Planning Commission's letterg that in this letter it be brought
to their attention that a statement was made to the effect that the
Council was not protesting this matter and we want the statement
clarified,
Mr, James O'Brien, One of the statements made at
the County Regional Planning
Commission was that Councilman Jett would be available at the telephone
to confirm that three-tomone vote not opposing this zoning,
Councilman Jett-, I am available to any one of my
constituents at any time to
make a statement on anything confronting the Council, I don't back
up from making a statement to any one of them,
Mr, James O'Brien, The statement that was made
wasn't in conformance with
your understanding? In ether words, you didn't agree with him that
you would be at the telephone to confirm any such conversation?
Councilman Jett-,
I never even talked to the
gentleman,
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0 PLANNING COMMISSION
PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION OF
DECEMBER 18, 1963
ZONE CHANGE NO, 278
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Discussion as follows-.
Councilman Heath- If this is appealed, I would like
the property owner's permission
to hold this matter off until our study in that area is completed.
Mayor Barnes-.
VARIANCE NO, 476
Kreedman
Councilman Heath-.
Public Services Director Mr. Dosh-
We will wait to see if this is
appealed,
Called up,, Discussion as
follows -
Would it help if we called up
this variance to keep the idea
of the alley alive?
If we fail with Mr, Kelly I don't
know what we will do, .
Councilman Towner-. If Mr, Kelly doesn9t agree to it
the application is still alive
and the man might be able to amend it without having to start all
over again,
I will call up Variance No, 476,
CITY MANAGER REPORTS
STORM DRAIN PROBLEM
Project C-150
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-. The Council received a letter
from Mr, Ming regarding this.
There are eight other names on this petition,, (Read said letter and
report re this matter,)
Mayor Barnes-. These people feel that by starting
at the corner of Hollenbeck that
vie could drain down the street where we do have the right of way. On
this property, we do not have the right of way as this is private prop-
erty and if the City intends to condemn it, they intend to make it
costly is what they inferred to me,
Councilman Towner- What are the alternatives?
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'STORM DRAIN PROBLEM (PROJECT C-150) - Continued
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- We are having a staff study com-
pleted on this and we advised
these people we wouldn't make a definite stand until we finished the
study,,
Public Services Director Mr, Dosh-. The study is done,, We have not
checked it out vet,
Councilman Towner-,
Why don't we just set this over
until we have the study?
Councilman Snyder., If you are going to back -fill
that I hope the study will include
the cost of back -filling because I think it is quite a problem,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa., I know the Council have received
calls and I thought the best
thing was to bring it up before the Council so we would all know what
is going to happen,, We have already acknowledged the petition,
Councilman Snyder-, Why don't we include having
the Recreation and Parks Com-
mission look this over as a possible park site?
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,,
that the Park and Recreation Commission be asked to look at this
land with consideration for a park and make a written recommendation
back to the Council as to its feasibility as a park site.
CHANNELIZATION
Orange and Service
A map was presented and Mr. Dosh explained same, Mr,, Aiassa read
the Traffic Committee report re this matter,,
Councilman Towner-, Is there still a yield sign on
that freeway off -ramp?
Public Services Director Mr, Dosh-,
Councilman Heath-,
Public Services Director Mr, Dosh-.
Yes, Victor Gruen has a good
idea for this,
The only thing you have done
here is added a couple of islands
but the traffic flow is the same,
It's a little better,,
Councilman Jett- Have you talked to the owners of
Scoa about the possibility of
maybe getting a piece of property there to widen it out and channel
that street?
Public Services Director Mr, Dosht We asked them for 10 feet at the
time of development and they
gave it to us and they widened Orange,, In Victor Gruen°s proposals
he does a lot to this, Until you adopt what he submits we are not
going to do anything,, They have a concrete proposal and it involves
right of way,
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CHANNELIZATION (ORANGE AND SERVICE) - Continued
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the staff be authorized to go ahead with the rechanellization of
Orange and Service as recommended by the staff of 5/16/63 as a temporary
solution,
RALPH-ZODY PROBLEM
Trucks
Councilman Jett-,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa-
Councilman Heath,.
Is there something we can do to
either stop this once and for
all or what?
I know the permanent solution, It
is to use the tunnel that you
have in Eastland, (As an example)
The problem is the trucks are
turning around in the back of the
building 0
City Manager,, Mr, Aiassa.* We spent an hour down there trying
to figure out other ways to turn
around, The same problem is with Zody"s loading area.
Councilman J6tt,. How far can we go in forcing
Ralph's to conform to something
like this?
Councilman Snyder,.
We can ask them, They may go
along with it,,
City Manager, Mr. Aiassa,. This kind of thing is going to
reappear. What we would like
to do now is find a solution so the next time one of these come up
that provisions would be made for this and it would be resolved at
the time the precise plan was brought in, The owner has developed a
precise plan according to our approval and specifications. It is
voluntary from here on out,
Mayor Barnes-,
When Ralphs representative came in,
they told us-.-t-ftt" these trucks would
not circle around back of the store.
Council,ma.n-lHeath,.
The statement was in
the Minutes
that there would be
no trucks
past the loading dock, I think we
should either require
a fence put
up there and at the extreme end of the building and let the
owners worry about how to channelize their traffic, This
property
is our com-
mitment and we should hold to it,,
City Manager,, Mr, Aiassa- We have this as your alternate
solution but it won't be to the
satisfaction of the property owners, You can block off the traffic
from this area completely, which the Fire Department doesn't want and
leave only one entrance to which we would control the key, It would
be locked at all times and be available to police and fire only,, My
recommendation is to block off both entrances out so that only
automobiles can go through and the extra width whichwouldallow
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RALPH-ZODY PROBLEM (TRUCKS) - Continued
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the Fire Department to go through and would be controlled by the City,
We need a strong wall, block if we have to aud locr,,ked with keys to the
city.
Councilman Snyder2 I think first you should approach
Ralph's and appraise them of the
depressed loading zone, Tell them if they don't go for this we will
put up the fence,
Councilman Heath,. If you have a block wall that is
along the side of a truck
forming one side of a well, whether that truck is below ground level
or on ground level doesn't make any difference as far as noise is
concerned,, My recommendation is to block off the end of the loading
ramp and the other end of the building,
Councilman Snyder-. Obviously we can't force them
to do the depressed well, If
they are not willing or able to go ahead with this because of finances
or design problems we should go ahead with the block wall,
Mr, Sol. Bolcoff,, When the design was approved
there was supposed to be no
trucks south of this dock here (indicating), There was not supposed
to be a ramp over here (indicating),, I think the wall should be right
at the end of the dock,
Public Services Director Mr, Nosh-. That is possible to accomplish
if they will go along with it,
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that the staff be authorized to contact Ralph's and see if they would
be agreeable to some sort of' depressed well, design to be determined
later; if not,, they are to be instructed that we are to go ahead with
some sort of wall blocking traffic in back of Ralph's, the design to
be determined later, (Councilman Heath voted "No".)
Councilman Heath-, I don't see how the depressed
area is going to help a bit.
Councilman Snyder-, That motion should include
that Zody's is to extend their
wall out further,
Councilman Heath-. My solution is to put to them
the facts of the precise plan
and let them determine how they are going to do it,, Block it off' at
the loading platform and let them worry about how they are going
to do it,
SNATIONAL SAFETY COUNCIL INFORMATION
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa- I had my staff attend this meeting,
You received awards for our
participation, I was wondering if the Council has any comments
whether we should continue to do this because each year it gets a
little more involved,
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NATIONAL SAFETY COUNCIL INFORMATION - Continued ,
Councilman Towner- I believe in cooperating with
the Safety Council.'I think
it acts as an incentive to keep our safety program underway.
Councilman Jett-
!I.think so too.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Jett and carried,
to authorize the City Manager to continue with the National Safety
Council.
WATER PROBLEM
Mr. Aiassa, Tomorrow night at the San Gabriel
Municipal Water District is A
meeting. I have to get maps out to them so they will have them for
the meeting. The map is okay but we have to get 18 copies of it and
a transparency, The Board will direct them to file,. Lthink the
action we will take tomorrow night is at their meeting..
Councilman Jett- A part of that new ruling where
you have to file with the Boun-
dary Commission, first with the local planning agency, then with the
Boundary Commission for approval of the boundaries and then when the
report comes back a hearing is set. We have all of our applications
in but not realizing we had to get this boundary approval first, we
could. have sat here for sixty days wondering why we didn't get a
hearing,
Mr. Aiassa.
CAMERON AVENUE
West of Hollenbeck
Project S.P.6325
Mr. Aiassa-.
They cant take any action
until they get -a report from
the Boundary Commission.
Read report re this matter
dated 12/26/63 from Mr. Pontow
as follows°
"Relative to the street improvements in front of the
Tyrrell and Hassett properties on the south side of
Cameron Avenue westerly of Hollenbeck, we have made
numerous attempts to resolve the problem of ingress
and egress to the Hassett property.
We have designed the project to what we feel is the
most functional solution to the problem and at this
point this is generally agreed by all concerned.
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CAMERON AVENUE - Continued
Rpt from R.E.Pontow - Continued-,
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"Mr. Hassett currently has a copy of the plans and
he is investigating to see just exactly how the pro-
posed street improvements will affect his property
relative to appreciation or depreciation. We are
optimistic about this evaluation matter° However,
he is not in complete agreement with use As soon
as he agrees to accept our design, and give us the
right of way we need to build this project, we will
submit plans and specifications to the City Council°
This is a worthwhile project and one that should
be completed in the not too distant future."
Mr. Aiassa.
DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ON FREEWAY
City Limit Signs and other data
We have been at this since
June of 1963, This is just
a progress report for you.
We will continue until final-
ization.
Mr. Aiassa-. I think the Council approved
action for the West Covina
Center but it is going to become mandatory that we have the actual
signs that will be appearing on the freeway. Does the Council want
me to bring these back to you to formulate a decision? There is
also a requirement that these signs mounted on the high towers would
eliminate any of the lower area signs on ground level. As I remem-
ber the last report we made to them we have a specific pattern of
designs, The Council had reviewed that but you now have a new Coun-
cilo I was wondering if there were any reasons or suggestions on
your part that the new Council would like to take a look at that.
The overhead signs will be changed into the new basic color of
green and white. They are going to limit it to two names on each
sign, I think it might be to your advantage that we bring this
back up again, If we have another chance with one more parlev with
the State we might have a chance to re -analyze these signs.
Councilman Snyder, I think it should be uniform
along the freeway, The over-
head signs seem to be the way
it is everywhere else.
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DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ON FREEWAY - Continued
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Mr. Aiassaa I have one more suggestion. I
think we should pass this into
Victor Gruen's hands and let him analyze this. They are actually
designing signs, street patterns, off and on ramps, and should have
a look at the signs. I haven't brought this up to them. I wanted
to feel out the Council to see if this was advisable,
Councilman Heath -
and a road pattern. I think it is up
what street :signs they want to 'put on
Mayor Barnes -
Councilman Snyder-,
I don't see the connection be-
tween the designing of a sign
to the Council to determine
the freeway.
I think the Council agrees
that it should be brought up.
I don't 'think it should be
sent. to Victor Gruen yet.
Mr. Aiassa- This paid ad Mr. Harris of
the Tribune sold the City,
actually it .is a real bomb because according to their own reports
you are not going to see what they are putting in on the free page
they are providing for you, This is what I was advised. The only
thing ,you will see is the portion you are preparing. The original
understanding was the Council wanted to see the whole package. If
you do, I think somebody beyond me should call Mr. A. Q. Miller°
I was told this was against their policy.
Councilman Snyder;
Councilman Jett -
given for the money we were spending.
to see that extra page.
Mr. Aiassa.,
That was promised to us that
night whether it is against
their policy or not. If that
isn't true obviously we can't
go along with it.
What he told us that night is
what we assumed we would be
I think we have every right
If you're going to spend $995.00
at least you see what you are
going to get on the free page.
Councilman Beath- We are going to see what we are
preparing but this other part
he doesn't want us to see. Is that something we are not paying for?
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TRIBUNE AD - Continued
City Managers Mr,, Aiassa,.
Councilman Heath,.
City Managers Mr,, Aiassa,
Mayor Barnes,.
Councilman Snyder,.
that night he said
Tribune or not, one
responsible for it,,
wouldn't have been
Councilman Heath,.
Councilman. Snyder. -
Councilman Towner,.
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That was part of your deal,, For
one page you bought they will
provide you another page.
We are seeing what we are paying
for then?
This is not what the understanding
I had from the Council I thought
you wanted to see all of it,,
I think we have the right to see
what we are paying for.
In essence, it is not a free
page. When he appeared before us
we could see it,, Whether it is the policy of the
of their representatives said that and they are
If we hadn't bought the one page the other page
given to us free,,
We are seeing what we are putting
in,, Evidently the other thing
would be good for the City,,
Not necessarily,, They.haven't
always been good to us in their
reporting on the water problem,,
Do we have a record of what Mr,,
Harris said in the Minutes?
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa,. Yes,, (Read section from Minutes
re this matter,,) I wanted you
to know that this thing isn't going off like a well fitted glove,
This will be published on the 26th of January.
Mayor Barnes,. I think we should give Mr,, Aiassa
some authority at least to get
time for us to see this,,
Councilman Towner,. I think the City Manager ought
to be directed to bring the
contents of the Minutes of the meeting to the attention of the
managing parties of the Tribune and advise them that this is the basis
on which we made the bargain and we don't feel they have completely
conformed with the representation by Mr. Harris; that we would like
to cooperate and carry it thru but we haven't yet heard from them on
it,,
City.Manager, Mr,, Aiassa,. With this provision, that we
also authorize the Mayor to help
me on this,, It will be jointly with the Mayor and me,,
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TRIBUNE AD e Continued
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Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Jett® and carried,
that the City Manager and Mayor be directed to bring the contents
of the Minutes of the meeting to the attention of the managing parties
of the Tribune and advise them that this is the basis on which the
Council made the bargain and we don't feel they have conformed
completely with the representations by Mr,, Harris; that the Council
would like to cooperate and carry it through but we haven't yet heard
from.them on it,,
RESOLUTION NO,, 2829
ADOPTED
Mayor Barnes. -
The City Manager presented. -
"A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA,
CALIFORNIA, REQUESTING THAT THE
CITY MANAGERS GEORGE AIASSA9 AND
OTHERS BE AUTHORIZED TO MAKE
INQUIRY OF THE STATE BOARD OF
EQUALIZATION AT SACRAMENTO ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA
REGARDING SALES TAX"
Hearing no objections, we will
waive further reading of the
body of the resolutions
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-, About three years ago we adopted
a resolution authorizing -myself
and the Finance Officer and Mr. McCann to go up and audit the sales
tax returns in Sacramento Mr. Walters isn't with us and I would like
this new resolution adopted so we can use this and Mr. McCann has
contacted me and he is suggesting that sometime in February or March
we should make a trip to audit their books because that is the time we
would get our money if it is due us.
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Snyder, that said
resolution be adopted. Motion passed on roll call as follows.-
Ayes.- Councilmen Towner, Jett,"Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes.- None
Absent.- None
Said resolution was given No,, 2829,
HOME SAVINGS AND LOAN
Herald Examiner Article
City Managers Mr, Aiassa-, There was an article in the Herald
8 Examiner on January 5,, (Read same,,)
Councilman Snyder. -
Mayor Barnes-,
We are invited to a reception
Wednesday night and somebody
ought to complain about this,,
The complaint has already gone in,,
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HOME SAVINGS AND LOAN (HERALD EXAMINER ARTICLE) o Continued
Councilman Snyder -
Mayor Barnes,.
Councilman Towner -
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa-
ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION
When are they going to make a
resolution showing their golf
courses?
Late in Januarys I think,,
Could I ask that we check out
the status of the lawsuit and hear
from the City Attorney on this?
Fine,,
The City Manager presented-
B9AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA
ADOPTING THE OFFICIAL SEAL94
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
to waive further reading of the body of the ordinance,,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,
that said ordinance be introduced,,
DEEP LOT STUDY
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa- There is a meeting on January 22,
1964 at 8.00 P.M. at the Edgewood
High School for further consideration of the deep lot situation existing
in this area,, This is a notice of that hearing,,
Mayor Barnes- Mr,, Aiassa, would you ask your
Planning Department to call the
Planning,Department of Baldwin Park and inform them that the meeting
place for the deep lot study is at Edgewood School instead of Sunset
because I informed one of their Planning Commissioners it would be
at Sunset,, I talked to Leo M,, Caproni,,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa,, I will.
LIBRARY GRANT
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa- The Supervisors of the County of
Los Angeles have made an appli-
cation to apply for State Public Library Grant,, (Read report re this
matter,,) We have to implement the program,, Where we usually locate
the substations is where they usually locate their sub -libraries.
Mayor Barnes- If I remember the meetings with
Mr. Wells of Los Angeles County
we said at that time there is one at Vine, the one on Puente where
the fire station is and then a third near Cortez Park,, We did not
spell out the locations,, At that time it was agreed that these
locations would be in a triangular° pattern- so it'would serve the City.
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LIBRARY GRANT Continued
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Is there any library near the
Pickering Tract?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassas No, You also have Home Savings and
Loan, I don°t know if they want to
take advantage of County funds for this or not,
Councilman Snydero My suggestion would be that we
appraise Mr. Geller of our recent
developments in our library sites and we feel we are deficient in
certain areas as far as sub -libraries go and should be considered
in their master planning,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa; I need authority from somebody
to talk to Mr. Geller because I
don t want to start talking about these things without the authori-
zation to do it,
Councilman Heath-,
Councilman Jett-,
Councilman Snyder. -
City Manager,, Mr, Aiassa;
I think it should be originated
by the staff or the Planning
Commission,
Shouldn't this go along with our
Council representative to the
library?
It would be; helpful to have a
study from the staff or Planning
Commission,
If we put it on too high a scale
the whole thing will bog down of
:its own wb ghat o
Councilman Snyder-, I personally think that probably
the Planning Commission is bogged
down and couldn't get to this for a while. Perhaps the staff should
take care of it,
Mayor Barnes-,
Your staff should cooperate with
Mr. Geller and make a recommendation
to us
Motion by Councilman Snyder, seconded by Councilman Jett, and carried,,
that the City Manager, with the aid of the Planning Staff, make
recommendations to Mr. Geller as to possible future library sites and
as to need for library sites within West Covina; and that he be
informed that this is done at the instruction of the City Council,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-, Are we going to limit ourselves
to the original three?
Councilman Snyder-,
Councilman Towner-,
the Planning Commission staff,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-,
Go for what we need,
There is only one problem and
that is the over -burdening of
I'll coordinate it only because it
has to be tied in with the
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LIBRARY GRANT - Continued
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General Plan but I don't want the Planning Commission or the Planning
Staff handling this thing isolated, I would like Dr. Snyder to go
along with us when we go,
CITY CLERK'S CAR ALLOWANCE
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa, Mr. F°lotten is not in the C range
but is on the administrative staff
level and is a department head, He now only gets $25 for car allowance.
I would like to raise it to $50,00, As soon as the Mayor's Office
and things get set up this could be adjusted on the salary and something
else,, The reason for this is that Mr.. F'lotten is drawing to an age
where he can retire, We have two things to worry about; one is his
base salary, clerk salary, and the administrative salary, Being
that he is running for office this coming April, I didn't want to
make that salary too attractive that they could draw his total salary,
They are only running for the Clerk salary, I would like to leave
the Clerk's salary where it is,
Councilman Heath,
I would be in favor of his salary
being increased,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa., You do have one advantage, If you
0 put it on his salary this means
more take-home money for him but this would have to be matched by
the City, On the car allowance it doesn't have to be matchc-,;do
Councilman Snyder, I don°t think we should let
the coming election enter into
this,
City Clerk, Mr, Flotten, I think the idea was to spread
it out. When the employees
get their pay increase I will get mine automatically,
Motion by Councilman Heath, seconded by Councilman Towner, that the
City Clerk's car allowance be raised from $25.00 to $50,00 effective
January 1, 1964, Motion passed on roll calf as follows,
Ayes, Councilmen Towner, Jett, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes, None
Absent, None
ACTING ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa, Mr, Klein.has his degree in
college and has taken his first
series of examinations for C,E, license, In the Assistant position
I made it mandatory for a license because it was a replacement if
and when Mr. Pontow retires, Mr. Klein has done well on the first
part of his examination, He has done an outstanding job on the
provisional setup that we set up about six months ago, There is
no human way I can give this man a raise as far as his range is
concei-ned because he is in a Y range, I was paying Mr, Lathrop
$901,00 a month and this man is doing the same work for $778,00,
Mr, Lathrop was assigned as Assistant City Engineer because he had
a C,E, license,
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"ACTING ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER m Continued
ICouncilman Heath-,
Page Fourteen
That means Jerry Klein can't
get any more money until he gets
his C,,E,?
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- The provision is I wanted to train
a man in No, 2 spot for Buda I
have one possible answer and it is a waiver of a basic requirement
of a CoEa Registration Licensee Jerry Klein meets all requirements
except that one requirement, He is planning to take his examination
in April and will know the results by August, He has taken all the
first part,, My recommendation is that we would let Mr, KLein go into
this range and that I make a temporary waiver of this requirement,,
The Assistant City Engineer range is set up, period,, It has a job
description and it has a job classification and it has a range. At
the time Mr, Klein was with us and we put him into this position on
a provisional appointment because he was capable of carrying out the
basic responsibilities that Mr. Lathrop did,, I could not appoint him
because he did not meet the requirements of the job description,,
Councilman Snyder- The ordinance should not necessarily
read that he have a C.E. License
but that he be fully eligible and fully qualified, He is fully
qualified for a C,,E,, License,
Councilman Heath-, No. not until he takes the test.
0 I would rather do it another way
because I think you are setting up a precedent. I think there should
be some other way to give him more money. Does he get car allowance?
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa-
No,
Councilman Towner- I donut think you can state he
is fully qualified as a C,,E,,
He probably is but he isn't until he passes an examination,,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa° There is a way I can do this and
that is to take him out of a Y
range and let him go to the E step and give him $84,00 a month for
being the Acting Assistant City Engineer,
Mayor Barnes -
That sounds much better,
Councilman Towner- I think if you make him Acting
Assistant City Engineer that it
should be understood it is a temporary job,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa- I am not going to appoint him
Assistant City Engineer; he will
be Acting Assistant City Engineer with the condition that he does not
go into that step until he meets the requirements of the job
classification,, I am going to pay him the salary,
Councilman Towner- I
a
to an Assistant City Engineer, I think
to get into a job but he hasn't yet met
I donut think you can pay him the same
and appointed,, If you want to have him
in there this as fine but I donut think
amount,
donut think he should be given
bonus that makes him equivalent
you have a man you would like
the ordinary qualifications,
salary as a man fully qualified
received a bonus for being
you should pay him the full
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ACTING ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER - Continued
Councilman Snyder -
Page Fifteen
Is there a mandatory time between
the first part and the second part
of the C,E, examination?
Public Services Director Mr, Dosh-, Yes,
Councilman Towner- Let's give him the salary at the
top level for which he is qualified
plus a bonus which would bring him slightly under the qualified Assistant
City Engineer,
Councilman Jett- You have other men in the Engineer-
ing Department eligible for the
C,E. They are going to go in and they will come back and they have
passed their exam and then they have their license, Is this going
to put them in a position where they, too, are eligible for some-
thing like this? I have nothing against Jerry, I think he is
doing a fine job,
Councilman Towner -
to the job, wouldn't he start off at
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa-
Councilman Towner -
Councilman Heath-,
Suppose he were qualified, had
his C.E. and was appointed
$817 , 00?
Whatever range he is in and gets
a promotion, The next step
would be $858,00,
It seems to me that that is what
he should be paid,
Give him a bonus from $814,00
to $840.00 and then put him in
the step that puts him at $858,00,
Councilman Towner- If the man qualified and is
appointed to the job he will be
paid $858,00, I would be willing in the interim to give him that as
Acting Assistant City Engineer, If the man is performing all the
duties of the job I am willing to give him the full raise,
Councilman Jett-, All the other job classifi-
cations are set up under
Ladermann's report, These jobs are paid each individual is paid in
accordance to the step he takes, Now you're talking about an
increase in wages for this one particular person, You are establishing
a rough precedent,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- I would be giving him a bonus
if I put him into the 30 range,
He is doing the extra work,
Councilman Towner-, When the job opens up as
Assistant City Engineer you
have to open it up to competitive examination and he may not
qualify on the Oral Board,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- That°s right, When you have
a C,E, Registration and you meet
all the State Examinations, we would be foolish to try to give an
examination on the written,
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ACTING ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER o Continued
Councilman Towner-, Until the man passes the require-
ments for Assistant City Engineer
you want to appoint him as Acting Assistant,, I would go along with
appointing him Acting Assistant City Engineer, give him a salary that
goes with the job on a temporary basis on the theory that he is
performing the duties for which he is paid, set up the competitive
examination for the job so it falls after he has had the opportunity
to take his State examination
Councilman Heath-,
City Manager, Mr,, Aiassa-,
Councilman Heath;
Why wasn't this put through the
Personnel Board?
The action had to be a Council
action and not Personnel Board,,
I think the Personnel Board
should have handled this,,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Heath, that until
Jerry Klein passes the requirements for Assistant City Engineer that
the City Manager be authorized to appoint him as Acting Assistant
City -Engineer, give him the salary that goes with the job on a
temporary basis on the theory that he is performing the duties for
which he is paid; set up the competitive examination for the job
so it falls after he has had the opportunity to take the State
examination,, Motion passed on roll call as follows -
Ayes; Councilmen Towner, Heath, Snyder, Mayor Barnes
Noes-, Councilman Jett
Absent-, None
POLYGRAPH & PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS
Councilman Snyder-, I wonder in the applications for
fire and police jobs, the
polygraph tests and the psychological tests are confidential, aren°t
they?
Mr,, Gerald Weeks-, Yes, they are,,
Councilman Snyder-, If they apply to another City
they can't write here and get
the results of those tests?
Mr,, Gerald Weeks-, No.,
Councilman Snyder-, One applicant approached me and
said he was worried that the
results of the psychological test might be passed on to other cities,,
Mr,, Gerald Weeks-, Our psychologist does work for
other cities,,
Councilman Snyder-, If this isn't confidential
information it should be because
a psychological examination is merely an opinion,,
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'POLYGRAPH 6 PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS m Continued
City Manager, Mr, Aiassao
EMPIRE SAVINGS
Councilman Heath -
town until today and I was unable
in touch with him later this week,
CITY°S ANNUAL DANCE
Page Seventeen
We have no right to divulge any
of this informations
I was supposed to contact Mr,
Sam Ocean and he was out of
to contact him today, I will get
Councilman Heath- The City°s annual dance will be
held on January 25 at the
Country Club, Mrs, Burge is the Chairman in charge of it and has
requested me to ask the Council for permission to solicit for door
prizes with the approval of the Chamber of Commerce,
Motion by Councilman Towner, seconded by Councilman Snyder,, and carried,
that the Council has no objection to this matter provided the Chamber
of Commerce has no objection,
SIDEWALK REPORT
Councilman Heath -
MEETING WITH NEPTUNE AND THOMAS
I'll wait until. next week and
give you a report at that time,
City Manager, Mr, Aiassa- Tomorrow night we meet with
Neptune and Thomas at 7-30
in Pasadena. We will provide transportation if you want to meet
here at 7.00 P,M,
CIVIrAN
Mr, Phil Wax- There was a letter sent to Mr,
Barnes about attending a meeting
this Thursday night, They will have representation of all the
Civftan groups in this area,
Mayor Barnes; I answered their letter and
stated that the Council would
be in a meeting with our Traffic Engineer and that I would gladly
send someone from the City if they wished, I would ask Mr. A5assa
at this time to name someone to attend.
Councilman Jett- I think we should have somebody
there,
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CIVATAN m Continued
City Managers Mrs Aiassa:
City Clerks Mr, Flotten:
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Mr, Flotten will goo
I'll be glad to attend.
There being no further business, Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded
by Councilman Heath, and carried, that this meeting be adjourned at
11:30 P,M,
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