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06-04-1962 - Regular Meeting - Minutes• .0 MINUTES OF ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA June 4, 1962 Mayor Barnes called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. RnT.T. rAT.T. Present: Mayor Barnes, Councilmen Jett, Towner, Heath Others Present: Mr. George Aiassa, City Manager Mr. Robert Flotten, City Clerk Absent: Councilman Snyder PROPOSED ANNEX OF A PORTION OF THE HIGHLAND KNOLLS TO THE CITY OF WEST COVINA Councilman Heath: The meeting of May 28, 1962 was ad- journed until tonight for the pur- pose of accepting a petition for the annexation of a portion of Highland Knolls to the City of West Covina. Mr. Frank W. Jones The petition was scheduled to be 19818 Lorencita Dr., Covina presented on June 8th so we do not have the petition with us tonight. We, however, have encountered some difficulties in that notices of an unprecented nature are being re- ceived by our members through the mail. We have been unable to de= termine the source of this literature which is of a threatening na- ture. (Sample was presented to Council). In spite of this, we have approximately 2/3 of the registered voters signed up and expect to have them all by June 8th and would like to have until then to file the petition. Two other points: People ask questions and we can answer some. We have been asked about Street lights and Sewers. What is the cost, etc. We have scheduled a meeting for the week of June 18th and would like to have a Council- man to answer these questions and help convince the "doubting Thomases'• and help eliminate some of the outside influence. There should be no doubt and everything should'be above board. In spite of all the con- fusion, we will have the completed petition filed June 8th. Mayor Barnes: Mr. Aiassa, isn't there a Planning Commission meeting on June 6th? If so, we could save time by pre- senting the petition to them at that time. Mr. Jones: Why don't we arrange to definitely present the petition on Wednesday regardless of the percentage of signers. Mayor Barnes: If you feel that you will need to go beyond the 8th, it will be alright but we would like to refer this peti- tion to the Planning Commission as soon as possible. Wednesday if passible. -1- 0 11 • Adj. Co Co 6-4-62 Page Two PROPOSED ANNEX - HIGHLAND KNOLLS - Continued Councilman Towner entered the Chambers at 7:40 P.M. Mayor Barnes brought Councilman Towner up to date on the discussion thus far, Councilman Towner: Is this a valid petition to annex or just signatures on a letter? Councilman Heath: This is a petition requesting per- mission to start annexation proceed- ings. In my mind, this was not the petition that requires legal publi- cation. Mayor Barnes: We will have to refer this to the Planning Commission for study and report. If we could do this by Wednesday, we could get their thinkingon it. The letter we received signed by only three persons was no indication of how the Highland Knolls people felt. Mayor Barnes read the first action required, from the procedure on Inhabited Annexations, Councilman Towner: This material (referring to the literature received by Mr. Jones) was it mailed out by your group? Mayor Barnes: No; this was received by Mr. Jones' group from an unknown source through the mails. Councilman Towner: This is the kind of material that makes people angry, Mr. Jones: We are here in accordance with our desire to be of as much help as possible. Because of this, I have invited Council to attend the meeting scheduled for the week of June 18th, to allay doubts and get.rid of confusion, Councilman Heath: Mayor Barnes: Councilman Towner: Councilman Heath: Councilman Jett: Mayor Barnes: Mr. Jones: I accept and would be glad to attend. I also, we should relate to these people what our policy is, We should then take the first step in the annexation proceedings. That would be to accept the petition and proceed. All we need is the proposal for annexation, Are all these present, members of the Board? Yes. -2- Adj. C. C. 6-4-62 Page Three HIGHLAND KNOLLS PROPOSED ANNEXATION - Continued Motion by Councilman Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath and carried that the petition for permission to start annexation proceedings by Highland Knolls be accepted and referred'to the Planning Commis- sion for study and recommendation as 'early as possible. Mayor Barnes: Councilman Snyder says not to take any action tonight. Councilman Towner: This only gets the ball rolling, PROPOSED.MINNEAPOLIS-HONEYWELL INSTALLATION ON SAN BERNARDINO ROAD Mr, Aiassa: The owners of the property, Sol and Moritz Pick have offered to relinquish their rights to the balance due them on the sewer reimbursement contract for the sewers constructed along San Bernardino Road to their apartment,houses (approximately $,3,757e00) in consideration for the City of West Covina paying for the lights and sewers to the Minneapolis -Honeywell property. Mr. Aiassa asked for and received permission to negotiate with Mr. Pick on this basis,. 0 Adjourned at 8:00 P.M. to the Sunset School for hearing on General Plan, See following pages for report on that. hearing. 0 Adj ,. C o, C a 6-4-62 :Page 'Four The adjourned regular meeting of the City Council, being held at the Council -Chambers in the West Covina City Hall,.was adjourned at 8:00 P.M. to the Sunset School for Public Hearing.on Compre- hensive General Plan. . The meeting was called to order by Mayor Barnes at 8p10 P.M..in the Sunset School ROLL CALL Present: Others Present: Absent: HEARING Mayor Barnes, Councilmen Jett, Towner, Heath Mr. Robert Flotten, City`.Clerk Mr. Thomas Dosh,.Public Service -Director Mr. Harold Joseph, Planning Director Mr. William,Radig, Planning -.Assistant Mr. S.-Eisner of=Eisner and_Associates,.Consultants 'Mr..A. Schatz, Consultant Councilman Snyder COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN Mayor Barnes stated that now was the time and place for public hear- ing.regarding.the General Plan for the City of West Covina. Mayor Barnes introduced _Mr. Dosh, the Public Services Director;.Mr. Harold . Joseph, Planning Director and Mr. Eisner and Mr._Shatz,.Planning Consultants. It was stated that the -Council operates under Ordinance No. 502 which .permits the speaker three minutes.to present individual -test- imony and that since many people were present.it is hoped that every- one will try to abide by that time limit so as to enable all those that desire to speak to be heard during.this hearing, and if anyone desires to'be heard other than at tonight's meeting, Council will adjourn to•a later date. Mayor Barnes then went onto.indicate that adjournment of this meeting because.of regulations governing such meetings.in a.school building would be at 11:30 P.M. approximately. However,.later in the meeting, after the recess, Mayor Barnes stated that this information -had been in error and adjournment would be at 11:00 P.M. approximately. It was requested of all people presenting.remarks, to address these to the -Chair and if there are questions to -be asked, the Chair will then .direct any of those present who are so qualified to•answer them.. The City Clerk, Mr. Flotten,.read Resolution No..1211 of the Planning Commission in full, -the heading, of which, is indicated as follows: "A Resolution of the Planning Commission of the City of West Covina adopting a comprehensive General Plan.and.recommending.same to -the City., Council ."" Mayor Barnes now indicated that Council and those:present would hear from Mr. -Eisner relative to the consultant's responsibility in the planning program.. Mr. Eisner: Again it is a pleasure to be here with you.in the presentation of this General Plan program for the future growth and development.of the -City of West Covina. E C.C. 6-4-62 QAdj o ➢ Page Five HEARING COMPREHENTSIVE GENERAL PLANT - continued The consultants.respon.sibility in this program -began some two years • ago when -these -studies were -started. Certain materials and data were made available to us and.weworked very closely with the Planning and other various City Departments in securing information to assist in helping the,Planning.Commiss,ion.in the development.of the plan. The Planning Commission, by State.law, is responsible for such planning. -The responsiblity of the consultant is to bring information., data and facts before the'Commission and 'to assist it in the development of the plan in .the best interest of their community. our rule is also to,t.r.y to bring imaginative thought to the plan in areas where.the Planning Commission or the City may not have seen existing opportunities and to warn of certain dangers.which have been. found in other areas so that the same mistakes are not repeated. In a long.range plan there should be an effort made to try to define -the facilities the people need for reasonable urban -living. Plan.ning.did not begin with our coming to West Covina. There was some work done years before, but this.i-s.the first concentrated effort to look .ahead to find the kind of. community West Covina was becoming and what would occur :in a.reasonable length of time. Many of the things on the map are developed from -the things that were already here. 'Where,a choice existed -the plan indicates what our discussion with Planning Commission was andthei,.r determinings as -to what would be best for West Covina. There were suggestions made by Mr —Shatz of our office that the Commission accepted and some which the Commission. resolved • from -their own judgment, .knowledge and experience. This is. -the Plan.ning"Commissions plan,,it is not our plan, and we as their technician,,advisors and co-workers helped to -develop this for one purpose, and that is -to secure •the greatest benefits for the people of this community. I would personally.like to thank all the members of the -City family who were so helpful to us -every inch of the way. Everyone pitched in, Mro Joseph.and all of 'the people who are part of the staff are in your debt as they worked so hard to put this in the place where this plan is now and the recommendations are from the Planning Commission, as your planners, on behalf of the City of West Covina. Mr , Shatz o The basis for preparation of the General Plan. has been by -the Planning Commission, as you have already,hear.d.e There -was a series of five objectives as set forth by -the Planning Commission and City Council in.1960 which were the basis for what developed on the plan. These five points were that West Covina is basically a city of homes and families; that .it has the ,optimum location.to•be 'the commercial, cultural and governmental center of the San'Gabr.i_el Valley and bo so promoted; that -the City -needs places of employment.opportunities and the creation of a balanced tax structure; that it should continue to grow in land -area and 'that the plan anticipate growth beyond its boundaries and that it have.the responsibility of leadership for cooperative planning in theEast San Gabriel Valley. I would re-emphasize the statement of Mr. -Eisner that the plan .represents 'the work of the Commission over the past two years and.should be referred to as the Planning Commission General Plan for the community. More than a period of a year has elapsed during.which.time 'the Commission held a.se:ries of study sessions, 12 or.13 in number, and at which many people were present regarding -the ideas and comments of Eisner. and Ass- ociation. There were two joint sessions with the Recreation and Park Commission and their ideas were submitted and..incorporated in the plan.. There were also other organizations in the community.as well as the C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) Page Six HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL_PLAN.- continued Fire Chief, Police Chief and the school districts involved, as well • as contact.by.letter with six other school districts,.County`Libra- ian and County and State agencies. There.is a General Plan map and a General Plan .report involved. The map sets forth, in color and symbol, the proposals for the community and -the report sets forth in more detail the findings of prior studies and growth of the.community. The map;includes the area within 'the City and a quarter of a mile around it on all sides. Relative to Ann.exation'Noo 158, we were ad- vised .to;exclude any.findings on that area.and.so it.is not indicated .relative=to possibilities. ,The residential land is shown .in the various yellow colors with the :light yellow being,in the majority, indicating low,density.residential development and also areas.now.availab.le, and that should be -develop- ed for such use. Some of the low density use can be developed for group housing.but it must respect the density of that which is established so this would represent u.p•to 6.or 7 family units per net residential acre of land. The deeper yellow_is medium.density and covers a range of 7 to 15 family.units per net residential acre. The high density proposed is shown and is approximately-145 acres of h:igh.density multiple family use,,with about.30 families.per net residential acre and.16 to 45 dwelling units per. net acre. In terms of all the land .shown as residential use, it would produce a population of. 66,500. • There has been a.13,000 i-nc.rease over the population in the community` since 'the time the study was made. In terms of facilities to meet a population of 66,500 in the community, educational, recreational and cultural uses were reviewed. The two school districts which serve the community were studied and in. preview- ing existing facilities.in.both districts our findings were much the same. -as both -the school districts. No additional sites have been proposed.in the immediate community. In the southwest area, the Willowwood School. ite is acquired and the plan indicates such a use in -that area. The site at.Hollenbeck .is owned by the school district and a .plan :is proposed on that.site to serve 'the needs.of the popula- tion.i-n -the area when all.land is developed. There are two other facilities for schools shown --outside the community but which would serve a.portion of West Covina and which could come into this community and these would take care of such expansion. The feeling is that the City is well provided .for by the schools in the.districts indicated, and that in the long term they will be sufficient. In terms.of parks and recreation, however, we could not reach the same conclusions as we had with the school facilities. This particular item was found to be very deficient. In terms of ultimate population., the need would be for some 24 neigh borhood parks; you have six in the community. However, we have incorporated these in a_full system of. 17 neighborhood facilities which we believe represents the minimum needs yet provides adequate recreational opportunities for each in- dividual. There are approximately.22,000 people residing north of the Freeway.and southerly.there is in-excess.of 42,000 people, indicating ultimate development. Facilities were distributed within reasonable distance of areas.served.and also connected with.existing school sites, where possible, for better service, facilities and savings of cost of land needed for such facilities. We also suggested areas for a large community area. The one to the north to serve 22,000 a site we felt was central to the area, was Palm View Park proposed as a community level facility. In:the southerly portion.of -the City we -have two existing neighborhood facilities Orangewood and Cortez, at the east- C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj,) Page. Seven HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERALPLAN - continued erly and westerly edges. There are 17 acres on one and 8 or 9 in the other and we still felt there was a need for a major comm- unity type of park so a site at Azusa.and Cameron.Avenues.was suggested which would be supplemented by the existing Cortez and Orangewood Parks thus giving a full range of recreation facilities. Consideration was given'to-a City park .but .because of the easy .access and close proximity of regional facilities at,Santa Fe Dam, Puddingstone and Whittier Narrows, none was proposed. However, there:are certain_opportuniti-es which maybe available to.the community in mountain areas to the south.to provide fora wilder- ness park for horseback riding, hiking.and nature area camps. It was felt that cultural facilities were necessary to -the City.and would fulfill.its.role in the San Gabriel Valley and there was a considerable amount included such as auditorium, exhibition hall and music and art centers. We felt a 12 acre site would be adequate to -handle such facilities -and proposed this be located in and about the Civic area.or•what may be called your Fdowntown' area ,immediately south of Cameron -west of Sunset, just north of this school (Sunset) and relocating.the fire and police facilities as well as the City Yard. -We felt this opportunity.was unique and would express -the nature of the community and could create structures,,even with -the Wash running through the area,.at both sides.of the site and tie it in with.Orangewood Park and.the high school giving you a well bal- anced.area.of commercial, civic and cultural uses.in.the City. • ' Commercial f.aciltiies existing.and proposed are shown. -Needs of this were relatively easy to obtain and were based on the income amount spent for food and translated into total amount.of acreage and floor space in the centers. Translating.the needs of 66,500 people, or 25 years,,it meant 50 to 53 acres of commercial sites and we f,ound.what is now on the land, and providing for use and.adequate parking, is more than enough to meet the needs of the next 2,0 to 25 years. The total acreage now in use is something.close to 65 acres.and with 70 to 80 acres of commercial available, we,.including.the Planning Commission, could not propose additional landf.:or commercial especially in.terms of regional facilities. We also studied in relation to the City the businesses surrounding the City such.as Wonder Fair, Gemco, etc, a -commercial complex of. which West Covina was the center even though.some of these centers are on 'the outside. The plan has propsed some new commercial district which is the C-P district which corresponds most closely to your present R-P zoning and.hopes to -introduce additional offices.to:locate such as those now in the particular area. Some are provided in the Civic Center area.and some at the east side of Glendora and some pro.•posed.along Azusa.Avenueo There is also proposed, the commercial district along the highway. We felt -there was a need for this because in the 1958 study there weredeficiencies of retail sales area such as building,materials and auto sales and such type uses.which do require location on.a highway with.easy access and need for prominence. We have proposed commercial recreation_areas,,one east of Citrus, south of the Freeway, built around the bowling alley and bar now existing.there and also tying in with a 3-par golf course lying at the base of this little plateau.. The other area so proposed is in the vicinity of Vincent, Glendora and Valinda Avenues where a.theater is to -be unde.r.construction and it seemed to offer such opportunities with the higher residential uses near it. C.C. 6-4-62 (Adi.) Page Eight HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued We have indicated the industrial area. There seemed an opportunity for the area west of the hospital on -Lark Ellen -Avenue -and San 'Bernardino Road to create an industrial use characterized as an industrial park district and subject to -high standards which would be compatible to the hospital and houses.in.the area. These would be high and rigid.standards relative to setbacks,.landscaping.and adequate buffering appropriate to the community. There is also .indicated a general industrial area which we hope will show some upgrading in.its.use and area to help the situation generally for such use. As to roads, etc., these are shown actually based on .the existing master plan for them.in the City and correlated with the County and State and insofar as the Freeway, tying in with the pattern of Freeways which will be around the community, and some change in interchanges. ,As to mass transportation the M.T.A. plans 'to terminate in El Monte but it.i.s suggested this use be extended into -the community with stops at Eastland, Vincent and in the locations of the Civic Center. We have not proposed any local bus lines. However, it has been .indicated that if and when such facilities are provided they be on major and .sec- ondary,streets only and within a:quarter mile of walking -by residents to where they can actually catch this -local line. • A Heliport has been suggested with the site somewhere near the west end of the Civic Center and with a.flight pattern over the Freeway. Mayor Barnes stated that from .the presentation.given by Mr. Eisner and Mr.-Shatz.it can be realized the amount of study that has gone into this plan and presents a good resume of what the Planning Commission and consultants.tried to do for the City. Mayor Barnes then indicated that any testimony to -be presented would now -be heard. Mr.-J. Hyatt' I have a.few clients interested 322 Compana Flores Dr. in high density, medium density West Covina and.high rise apartment useages. We have some (land) set aside for these uses -but most of it is near the Freeway,and the type of property these clients would desire would be for rentals.of $175. to $200. and the property wou.ld.be too close to the Freeway to obtain.this rental. We made a survey of the City looking for such satisfactory sites and could find none that were set back sufficiently from the Freeway,in order to.obtain.what is desired. Considering this aspect,:I think that some consideration should be given to:locations.for a higher type of multiple use and be set up for that use. Mr.-Hyatt.introduced a Mr. Robert Alden. Mr. Alden: ..I live in Redlands and represent a,Company who construct the uses as.indicated.by Mr. Hyatt. We are interested.in-a piece of property east of Barranca, north of Virginia and south of the Freeway. We have noted on your general plan .that across from this property. is a medium.density plan use. We want to ask the question if it.doesn't seem that :the other side of the C.C. 6-4-62 (Adi . ) Page Nine HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued street should have equal opportunity with the land on the western part of the street? This property consists of 10 acres, more or less, bounded on the north by the 'red' area which is .commercial, .on.the west by R-3 and on the south by what I would term an 'M' zone use. The water c;ompany.has a lot with a.tank on.it. This .land I am interested in is.land-locked insofar as streets are concerned except for. Barranca. If on one side there is.a medium density use why not the other side of:the street? Mr, Shatz: As.I understand it the question is why isn.'t this particular area proposed the same as on the other side of the street.? Insofar as density proposed in that area we felt that certain properties were unique to this area which relate to the open green area of 20 acres proposed as a 3-par golf course and there is also the question.of location and change in topography which is substantial,-With.any night lighting, there would be no adverse affect to any use to the south and.thus.it presented a unique oppor- tunity. Insofar as areas.to the east, and there were many.discussions on this entire area,.why it was shown as low density was many.things. The particular area itself and the nature of it and the way it has been developed has the opportunity.to develop into:large homes and on large home sites • In terms.of total area set aside for high .and medium density. In terms of high density,her.e are 30 some acres developed for high.density. We have proposed enagh land to permit a 500% increase over land that would be developed f-or high density. There has actually -been only 383 dwelling units authorized for high density by,building permits. The prime factor is that the City of West Covina is pri-ncipally in homes and this section would be•far more suitable f,or large home sites. Mr. -Alden: I believe the plan is.real good from the standpoint of planning .but I think that Mr. Hyatt's idea should be considered by your going over all your medium density pro- perties to find something.for us to -build on as we haven.'t found a piece of property to go -with a really good garden type of multiple use. Mr.-C. Shibel; I believe the plan as proposed 1711 E.-Alaska St. by -the Planning Commission.and West Covina consultants should be adopted'by Council. In -.particular I refer -to the land_ lying , westerly of .the south corner of Azusa and Cameron ..Avenue, and I would like t-o direct a question to Mr. -Handler who .is owner of that piece of property. -In business circles every business- man dreads that his business be included in the statistic called _'rate of demise' or,rate of failure. The Planning Director and staff have planned.well to minimize this. -Are you, then, asking this Council to jeopardize the rate of success business enjoys in West Covina by r.ejec.ting.the General Plan and accepting your request f.:or a..cha nge from:'R' to 'C' zoni-ng? Mr.:L. Sade: I own property in West Covina and Los Angeles am a builder and developer. The only thing,is.that from .a.planning standpoint.I do not want to say whether the plan is good or bad but I do think that when this General Plan was made up it wasn't considered .in the light of land values and I would go on record as being opposed to the General Plan. C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) Page Ten HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued • Mr. James W.-Trav-is: I have owned this property 831 So. Glendora.Ave. for'7 years. I have had 5 West Covina different -tenants-one who stayed exactly.5 days and..I believe this speaks -for it- self as to the traffic on -this street. This is_a main thorough- fare. This is.a fine plan but some things have been overlooked. You say.to take into consideration a.5 mile radius.in consider- ing commercial property.but I would consider far beyond that, consider north to Glendora .and south to�4hittier, west to E1 Monte and..east to Pomona. I would .like you.gentlemen to con- sider a change of the plan on.Glendora-Avenue insofar as zoning is concernedwhich now indicates R-1 and.I would go on record .that this be taken into consideration in it should be business .zoning of C-1. Why is .this zoned residential? Councilman'Heath: Is this recommendation of yours of considering these extended boundaries directly related to Glendora.Avenue or a separate recommendation? Mr. Travis: I consider it related to Glendora Avenue. Councilman'Heath: What relation has these boundaries • to-Glendora.Avenue? Mr. -Travis: In omitting an area such as Glen- dora in regard to your plan here and. -that it should.be commercial. The fact remains.it-is felt it.is effective business property in re- lation to such and such.and-I feel that you.are not reaching out far enough. Mr. Eisner: At the last public hearings there was presentation .of considerable length dealing with. properties along that -Avenue -and the difficulties.of getting in.and out because of .the traffic.on this street. We drew attention that this.was an unsatisfactory condition.f_or single family use but you can imagine what adverse effect it would have with.commercial use where you have a.great number of.cars trying.to get in.and out and I do not think that businesses would survive. The question is not only to consider if you .have an.adequate amount (of commercial) but if there is to be more (commercial) where it should go.in.order to function properly. I believe there should be a study of that property.but I do not be - intensive use of this property provides any answer at all. If people would come together to regroup -the property in.depth.to function properly in..the long run it might have a different purpose but at present we could not recommend .the -use suggested. If it is • bad for residential it does not make it good for commercial. Mr. Shatz- The question was directed.to Council as to why we did not.go to El Monte and to Pomona and that was for several reasons. We actually did go beyond what is considered the -normal breaking point.of where uses in West Covina would serve to -attract in.rel.ation to convenience. Those other .areas mentioned are equally.attractive but .we have even gone beyond -the mi-d-point.because of present conditions in West Covina, and even future ones, suggested we go beyond the mid -point so to -this extent if you sit down with.the map and..draw.-a.6 mile radius.you will find we have gone beyond.. C X o 6-4-62 (Adj.) Page Eleven HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued Areas of potential growth around West Covina are to the northeast, south.and southeast and as population increases in those areas.you will find commercial areas will go.in to short circuit the trip they now make.to•the downtown area and people will start going the other way.because it more convenient and it will not increase commercial.land_demand.in West Covina but work in reverse. As to properties along Glendora, the answer to the Glendora situation insofar as traffic, in checking out the latest figures, it is in.ex- cess of 3000 cars per day.and will probably.continue to grow. In the General Plan report we have indicated a reasonable solution to the residential property.along.Glendora.Avenu�e.o There were several remedies but it was not our part to go,int-0_p ecise detailed planning as to property. .The answer is a.physical design answer to this problem- In the report we indicated some physical means of solutions which can be given and you won't have the situation.of a..turn over of tenants staying 5 or .25 days, Thiswas one of, our great concerns,this area, and this plan is only so good as its weakest.link and.one of these is the pro- perty this gentleman owns and others who live in situations like that. If the property is -deep enough.there could.be walls, heavy landscaping, common driveways, vehicular access across rear of property getting.out on side street. -We haven't looked at this in.detail and I do not know .the house you refer to but the first thing toward a solution is that • you and your neighbors get together and go to your Planning Department and work out.a.physical solution, rather than rezoning.this to -heavier use. Mrs. Fe Merry I would refer you.to the letters 669 Soa.Glendora-Ave. filed with the'Planning Commission West Covina and City.Council in regard to -our property and.the proposal in regard to it and.I would protest the,sameo Mr. R Anderson .I have.a.piece of property of, 14 7607 Noo Michigan acres which.is not within the City Glendora limits at the present time but contiguous to this property. .I asked .that this property.be eliminated from your General Plan at the previous public hearings before the Commissionbecause it is not being given the same zoning that is placed upon At on the General Plan .in which .it included for the City of Covina. However, since :the last time I objected I am now in escrow for-14 acresfor a Senior Citizens setup and strongly object to single family use on.it when there is, quite obviously, a -higher and better use :for it. It is immediately contiguous to high density and..I respectfully request consideration be given.to.it to place zoning,on.here:•to allow a Senior Citizen setup and.this use might do the job because the builder wants to put up single story type -residences. I own the private road in there some 1500 feet along the Covina Hills Road. The Covina annixation is directly to my east which is just being .completed. I have checked with Mro-Aiassa and right now I am.in.'no man's.land' and not involved with this 'gentleman's agreement' between your cities but my property.is currently in the County. C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) Page `twelve HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued . Basically my objections to the zoning here on.your plan is.that every time a zoning.request is submitted to the County,. in courtesy they refer to the individual city that they consideras having.a sphere of influence and that the recommendation -of the City goes to,the .County and in line with your general plan it would be single family ,use and.I_am now in escrow. Councilman Jett-, Mr. Anderson: zone, however. Councilman Jett: Mr. tAnderson pletely.surrounded.by.annexations° Have you filed.application for zoning with the County? As of this minute, no. I have just gone into escrow and sale is contingent upon change of Are the cities of West Covina and Covina contiguous to your property? Yes, it can betaken by either one or stay,in .the County but I would doubt.that as it is com- Councilman Jett: I can't comprehend.the same firm recommending.different zoning for this piece of property, for one city which is on its.borders and a different zoning for another city ,which is on:.its borders. Mr. Eisner: their recommendations and felt that is indicated. We worked with West Covina.and made them.aware of what was shown An Covina and.the Commission made it was best shown in the use that Mayor Barnes called a recess. Council reconvened.at 9:35 P,Mo Mayor Barnes at this time indicated this meeting,would be adjourned to the.regular.meeting.of June.11 and.if more time is needed Council will then possibly adjourn to Sunset School on June 13 if everyone who desires to -speak has not had the opportunity.'to do,so-before that time. Mr.-R. Harrison I.have a petition.which I would 715 Soo.Glendora-.Ave. offer -for your consideration and West Covina -I-have another petition which is a copy of the one submitted to the Planning.Commission and.I would like to read some notes .from said petition, ,At this time we wish to communicate with you.in.regard to the general plan.concerning Glendora ..Avenue relative to:low density residential use south of St o Christopher.Avenue,,north-boundary.of the church, south to the Vine -Avenue area. .As residents of this section of Glen- dora..Avenue we wish to,go-on record as firmly opposing.this useage proposed and.asking,the Council and Commission.to-give consideration C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) Page Thirteen HEARING CHMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN - continued to a more thorough study of this particular area and problems contiguous to -it. We believe this indicated useage is not practi- cal. If and when the street is .widened many, homes will be too close to be considered desirable. Those of us with.driveways.onto Glendora Avenue find access.:to and from it nearly impossible and hazardous. This point was brought up and discussed back and forth by Mr. Shatz and ourselves on various occasions and the statement was made this evening that if this pro- perty isn't good for residential how can it be good for heavier use of commercial. .I think this statement is erroneous in .that through .proper zoning and proper control-th-e street would be widened and it would help the traffic flow. There are two lanes now but where this street.is.widened the traffic flows easier and..is less.congested. When a zone is designated.it doesn't change until it comes.into effect and when it comes into effect the City requires street widen- ing and off-street parking is provided as well as access and thus the situation which we now have will be cured. It was suggested.the use of common driveway or block wall -or side road access of landscaping.but-in my.case it.isn't possible and I know that other people are not..going to make additional investments to make any such improvements on this property. We lived on a decent road when -I first moved.here-but then Vincent.Avenue was opened and traffic.became-heavier, and with it increased noise level and it will increase even more. These noise levels,.however, would not be abusive to commercial use as they are to -residential use. Because of undesirable conditions.here:the homes have gone -to rentals and a: decrease in the manner of upkeep. The question -that may,ar.ise is .why. -I, and others, continue to live here under -these conditions? The answer is that there is no longer a residential value -to these homes that is comparable -to other re- sidential areas. ,As to the proper useag.e for this portions of Glendora -Avenue there were no means considered,.the planners only indicated what might be. We do feel there is a solution to -the problem here and the general plan does not offer any.solution whatsoever. I am not necessarily saying the zone should.be taken at this -time and not later after this plan .is approved. I.believe now is the time to make the ad- justments. The uses night be multiple and.as Mr. Shatz indicated, people get together and concur in this and use more pieces of property.then just one or two with a good multiple plan. Even commercial professional use with the heavier uses.below us night be considered.reasonable to have. We speak of regional uses benef.itting the City but we also need good local useages and.people with small business such as accountants, .professional men. -Some might feel they do not want to be a part of a large major area with their identity almost lost and with a.lot of people around them.. C.C. 6-4-62 ,QAdj . Page:�Eourteen 0 HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN continued Mayor Barnes: them. The Commission will continue to study this General Plan and it will be constantly.reviewed by Mr. Laird There is proposed the Came.ron- 801-So.-Glendora Ave. Glendora extension with Cameron West Covina to -be the main east -west thor- oughfare to take traffic off the freeway down .by SCOA,.through Civic.Center and.disburse it to the residential area.east.of.Glendora and I am near that proposed area. Glendora -Avenue, at this time, has approximately.3000.cars with an estimate of 4000 cars per..day;on_that same street. -You will have east -west .traffic and north -south traffic from City of Glendora and Azusa to Whittier Heights, The May,Company, SCOA and the discount houses and other larger stores certainly did not come in with the idea.of drawing only from a.5 mile area and.if they did they would all go broke -therefore, I object to the General Plan and.adoption as it stands now unless the area -to Glendora -Avenue is considered a major -north -south highway, is zoned for business and widened to alleviate the exteme congestion of going from 4 lanes to,2 lanes. Mr. B. Van Horn -I have lived in this City for 832 No. Azusa.Ave. some 20 years and have served on West Covina the Council of the City. I think the plan is altogether wrong. You have business proposed outside your City and should -have -it in- side the City. Azusa:.Avenue, south .there, should not be whitewashed and,put back in -the -City as well as.other spots. Insofar as Glendora:Avenue, it has always been.'a.hair in the soup` and there has always been promises.of something being,done with it. I have property,at Glendora and Cameron.and.do you think I will put a residence on:that when light signals are proposed for there? That will be business some day and.regardless.of what your planners do, people will put business on this.entire street some day and so.far as traffic interfering, how about Azusa,.Ci,-tr.us and Wilshire Boulevard a street which carries more traffic.:in an .hour then this does in a week and yet they.have good business-there,.they are doing.all right. Planners are not practical and although.it is good,to-have them guide you, the practical _part must come from -the men elected.by the people of the=City,to make correct decisions for the people who have their homes here and.if this is not done there will be -even more houses for sale because taxes.are too high. Get business.into the -City and out- side people will shop here. I was on the Council when the'May Company considered coming:her.e and a.15 mile area was explored from which they considered they would draw.and so does Broadway and others. If you have -business here, .business will come here so make good provisions for business and we will have a.good.City, otherwi-se we won't. Mr.M. Hazard 909 So. Glendora.Ave. West Covina a f.amily.here:because it isn't safe am against the plan unless something I would concur with what.has been said regarding this -Glendora -Ave. area and.the traffic problem. I do not know-how anyone could raise for any children around it and I is definitely done for this area C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj , ) 'Page fifteen HEARING COMPREHENSIVE'GENERAL-PLAN — continued Mr.-R. Broadwell Mr. Van Horn mentioned.he has 25 Campana,Flores Drive been.here.20 years but he is just a newcomer as I have lived in -this area over 60 years, I would like to compliment the Council on .hiring experts of the caliber of Eisner and -Associates and who have demonstrated.the ability,to analyze problems ofa community. In view of this it seems ridiculous.if I were in litigation.and hired an attorney to represent me that I did not feel I was getting my money's worth.and.told the attorney how to conduct my case. -President Kennedy only took the partial advise of his chiefs of staff and we lost Cuba and I -feel such.is partially the case tonight. It was.emphasized that,Eisner.'s was an objective study given .to the City but being.conducted under the guidance of the Planning Commission. There is.no reason to suggest the Planning Commission has the confidence of the -,City because 'they are not.elected by the City, and being a.group of amateurs, it would hardly seem worthy to have this plan adoped subject to the dictation of a group ,of amateurs I do concur with the gentlemen who have -spoken about Glendora.Avenuea This has been.a 'bury our heads.in the sand' area on.the part of various Planning Commissions. It.would be inconceivable, as indicated by Mr. Van Horn, to have residential property at the corners of two major, -boulevards. Mr e Joseph.testified several months ago -that Cameron would.be-a major east -west street and there -is no doubt in anyones mind that Glendora is a major north -south street so -you have a major intersection with bungalow at each corner. I do not know where it is being.done,.yet-the Pl.anning.Commission.ignors it entirely. So far as the statement by Mayor Barnes that if the plan is adopted the plan can.be changed .... you.do not know of the frustration -of going to the'Planning Department or -the -Commission and.having it said, "well we have this plan.now..and we can't change it's In.the City of Pomona with problem areas such as this Glendora.Avenue that City has a plan that can. -be adopted as the property owners get to either as it is -suggested. They do not wait for property owners -to get 'together and present a solution because they are not qualified to make one. I think the Council should ask Ei-sner and, Associates for a completely independent study pointing out those areas which they.themselves think should develop differently from .the present plan and ,which has been dictated by.the Planning Commission and .then have that report in your hands and hold public meetings and.. then you can determine what the experts actually say we should have. Mayor Barnes: I stated that the General Plan would.be constantly reviewed by the'Plann.ing Commission. • Mr. Broadwell: I do not doubt they,will review -its But it is a frustrating experience to go,in.with.a probelm_and it is known it is there and.you.are told 'this is.the plan.'°. This is.,exactly what happened when -Mr. Whitnall was with .the City.and it was stated that 'we know-how many. -haircuts the people of this community will get in a.years time so we know how many barbershops there should be contained in the City and we know how many pairs of -shoes will be bought and how many,shoe stores the City will be -able to support and we know. -how much commercial this community will support and there should be no more commercial pro- perty' which was about one-third of the commercial property now C .0 , 6-4-62 (Adj , ) Page Sixteen HEARING COMPREHENSIVE -GENERAL PLAN - continued developed and yet you would walk.into the Planning Commission and wish to discuss matters and were told that we have,Mr.-Whitnall's plan -and with.a.'who are you' attitude. Mayor Barnes: That was master planning. Mr. Eisner. It is incorrect to assume that Mr. Shatz did not make re- commendations to the Commission, he did, but it is also erroneous to assume that Mr. Shatz will make the plan for the community ... it.is against the law to do that —and -we assume that the people who are doing the pl.anning.for the City know what they are doing. We made recommendations to them but the Planning Commission must make -the final decision as to what should be on the plan under law. The hearings were held and points were rai-sed by many,who are here tonight before the Commission and then hearings were conducted.. We are following -basic law.and the way things work.in.communities. Many cities have general plans.con- tinuously subject .t:o review and modified as conditions change. Mention was made of Pomona and its plan. Due to contention this plan.was.not.adoped for.5 years .but most of -the major items have still worked out and.which we Corked out with.them.. There has been some revision, yes, after this -time and which has been.subject to hearings in consideration of what has taken place in.5 years. We•are trying, to the best of our -knowledge, to provide community leaders with the best.information:we could and -there -were questions raised at.the times of the meetings and the Commission,.and.with Mr. Shatz .and the Commission, under law, must make the final determinings as -to what is on.the plan and we presented all the facts. Mr. Broadwell: I never.,had in qustion anything about Mr. Eisner's presentations of facts to -the Commission.but I am .aware of considerable questions.in minds as to the fact these recommendations were not -translated into this plan. We:have Mr. Eisner's recommendations, which it has been stated have been over- ridden by the Commission and I think -it is only right that -Council should consider Mr.-Eisner's original recommendations along with the ultimate plan so that we may feel we are not just getting.a.white- washed Planning -.Commission master plan. .I think a master plan -which leaves Glendora:Avenue up.in the air.is.unrealistic. Mayor Barnes: I.think you .can rest assured we will take the pros.and.cons into consideration, but as stated, the °Planning Commission, by law, have to pass on.a plan of this type. However,:I am sure Council is interested in -.both sides of the picture, the -Eisner report and where the Commission.differs from.Mr.-Eisner's report. Mr.-W. Weaver The case of Glendora.Avenue has 825 So.-G1end.ora.Ave. been very well presented and I would concur with what has been stated. Mention .was made of Wilshire Blvd. as an.example, of a.great deal of business and little traffic problems and I feel-�t is largely .because of the wide boulevard -that it.,is and a continuous width, --not like you.now-have-on�Glendora-Avenue-g,oi-ng fronwide'to narrow and having.barriers.in some places which is very confusing.to traffic, .particularly at night. C X. 6-4-62 (Adj,) Page.Seventeen HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL'PLAN - continued • I, too, will state that the property owners.will not spend any money to widen .the street unless.they can see it will enhance the value of .their property and the only way to get the value is to rezone Glen- dora.Avenue other than is proposed and.eliminate the traffic hazards that exist there now. Mr'o Co -Anderson I would g.o on record as approving 1620 Alaska Street the,plan in.general and I feel that there is adequate comniercial property and no need for such further land use. As to Azusa and Cameron_Avenue,.I would congratulate the Council -for filing.the letter from.the owner of.the property on both sides of. Cameron.. Avenue on the offer to give•you the land at a lower rate for a City park if it would go commercial on -the south side of Cameron Avenue. I think .you.gentlemen-should .be congratulated for your integrity. Mr.-D. Pender I am doing a 20 unit apartment Building CoUtractor at Sunset and Cameron and also Los Angeles own vacant property at the south- east corner of Sunset and Cameron. There is presently proposed a high density zoning.there and we want 'to go on record as opposing such use as not being the best use for that property.Cameron is to be a highly developed street and Sunset is already and carries a big load and I do not think that the property I have mentioned should have more families placed upon it. -We • would like this property zoned professional use. It is directly south of the plaza and civic center and we feel that professional zoning:here is far more beneficial for all purposes. The only pro- perty zoned for such use as we proposed is -at Merced and Sunset and other property is north of the Freeway. I feel -as the civic center develops further there will be need for these uses proposed. Mr.-C. Moore I would.go•on record as going along 917 Soe.Glendora with the statements already made objecting.to the proposed use on Glendora ..Avenue -area Mr.-L. Brutuaco -I think the plan is a.good.onee 666 Soo.Glendora.Avea There.i.s a traffic problem on Glenora but four years ago we made our first contact with Broadway and it took three years before they even.indicated interested and yet now the store :is almost ready for use West Covina has been.recognized as one of the best planned areas and with.good income and.people and I think this should be given consideration as .to future•pl_anningo Mrs. Helen Brown The -League of Women Voters hasn't 1227 Robindale taken any position.on these proposed general plans other than .-that we feel the Planning Commission and City Council has done a very • concise -job in trying to -resolve all the facets of a general plan and we -would congratulate -them on their efforts., I would.make one other point in .that it is.the responsibility of the Planning Commission and.the City.Council to consider the individual property owners interests as well as the general Ci-ty's interests. From the Audience would it not be possible to,have or light neighborhood commercial hoples in back? As a possible alternative re- garding,buffering on,Glendora and suggestion.of a block wall single or two story professional ` buri.lding to serve as a buffer for C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) Pago Eighteen HEARING COMPREHENSIVE'GENI�RAL PLAN,- continued Mr.,Shatz., The problem of Glendora deals with abutting.property and insofar as buffering what we were attempting .to do in buffering residential property,on Glendora was for present property as it exists, or as on Hacienda Boulevard.in -homes which back up or side on with.a concrete wall against traffic.and other non-residential aspects. As I understand your question .it is sugges- ting the placing.of.commercial use in front of residential property .now.abutting Glendora and that is almost impossible and still retain ..residential use. In opposing of stripping Glendora with commercial properties width.is insufficient for use and there -would be insuffic- ient off-street parking. Western Avenue has this type of use row upon .row of vacant stores and insufficient parking..and you.also have the same situation on Pico. -As consultants to the -Commission we con- cluded that one of the great things about West Covina today,has been the prohib.ition.of strippi,ng,of highways and the effort was to find .room .for immediate growth without doing this andthe best solution was not to rezone this area:.but to find some physical way to make these property works. The only thing.is we did not, and could not, come up with specific solutions because it was not in our contract to do so ,but only deal with.these:things on.g.eneral terms and with broad areas and.then with,in.these individual properties matters could be and -should be worked out. -Mr..G.lenn Ro Watson,,Attorney -My interest is i-n.Glendora.Avenueo .615 Soo Flower I -am represting.the Alscot Develop - Los Angeles ment Company.and we have certain properties in escrow and will file fc., for relief .from the Planning Commission an.d'Council by Mr. -Weaver and Alscot so,that low density shall not be adopted on.Glendora.Avenue. The General Plan, which -.I think is very excellent, generally, calls for 51 acres of business -professional whereas there.is.only some�22 under present.zoning.so.if you read the General Plan correctly additional is proposed and it is jest a matter of location. So far as Glendora.Avenue is concerned all the property owners feel it is a suitable location for commercial -professional, Mr. Watson.then.quoted from Page 25 of the General Plan Report and continued: They recognize,.i-n the report, that Glendora Avenue is a problem area yet it has been left without.a solution and that is what troubles the property owners. Glendora:.Avenue is.recognized as a major highway and Cameron will be a major east -west street and is a--Freeway,fee-der and so traffic will become even worse. It is unfair to state that shallow.lots do not permit adequate:develop- mento -Some are shallow but there are also deep lots, about two-thirds of the property on the west side of Glendora between.Vine and. -the church • .are substantially deep. One the east maybe only 25% can be considered -deep property.but.that is about half_of.that property in deep lots so the area.lends itself as much to deep as shallow.lotsa I do not think you can*say the home -owners should get together and.plan their property because they, -built when there was. -less traffic and;a narrower street but circumstances.:have changed. They planned their properties under different circumstances and we:know there won't.be C.C. 6-4-62 (Adi,) Page Nineteen HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL:PLAN - continued a single group:of property owners get together to change this area, • only when a developer comes in and will buy two .lots or maybe more. This won't be developed for residential tracts,,but I think it can be developed for residential -professional. It would appear the.re.is no excess of that type of zoning.at this time in the City, and resi- dential - professional use is seeking.that street as can be seen by what is in the area. 0 Plann,ing.concepts-change and.I do not think even.the best planners can anticipate the change with the automobiles, nor can the engineers as to -traffic patterns from�.Freeway,and Freeway interchanges. Also if there is rapid transit to come, there are three depots suggest- ed.by the plan in the -City and there may yet have.to be some 40 to 50 acres for parking lots for parking•�of those people who will use .these means of transportation. -Right there,.there.is a whole new and great possible need for commercial parking lots near these points. We have one request, that if and when you approve the General Plan. that you make a.revision that -:Glendora between Vine and the church be reserved for further study, There was no further public testimony desired to be presented at this time. Councilman Heath, Did.I understand it to be said there is approximately 53 acres of commercial within •the City, Mr. Shatz? Mr. Shatz: Yes,.npighborhood commercial throughout City, 53 acres devoted to such use with off-street parking. ,Councilman�Heath: How.much land of regional shopping area is zoned and not used? Mr. Shatz: It is difficult to answer •that question.as your zoning ordinance is set up for C-1, C-2 and.C-3 zones.and a.regional center does not necessarily correspond to that but excluding C-1 the balance is 398 acres of land zoned for commercial of which I believe in'excess.of 80 acres.was vacant, in•C=2 and C-3. The vacant land in C-2 is 58.acres; C-3 is 19 acres and C-1 72 acres as shown on Page 37 of.the General Plan Report. Councilman.Heath' Mr. Shatz: Councilman Heath' Mr. Shatz Councilman Heath: Vacant land? Yes. 398 acres zoned for all types of commercial? . Yes, all four zones including R-P as well as C of which 197 acres were in use. That would leave some 200 acres on all classifications not being used? C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj.) HEARING Page Twenty COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN — continued Mr. Shatz: However, this was in advance • of the development of the Broadway, and in study the estimate was about 30 acres taken up -with Broadway, Desmond's and other facilities added since the time of the study and this would leave -about 165 acres of vacant commercial land. -Councilman-Heath: We did consider in our preface to to the shopping center.of thd'area and that we are going.to cater to shoppers.within a 10 mile radius, so.we will cater to approximately ,-25,000 homes (people) up on.top.of the mountain .in Home Savings and Loan.group and pull some from Diamond Bar plus developments.over through...Pomona,.Glendora, etc., so:I can see a great shopping potential coming into this area. Do you .feel that with this potential shopping group -that we should set aside more area for regional shopping and secondly, do you think there should.be more neighborhood shopping areas to take care of immediate needs in the area. .I question total amount of regional shopping area and we`have set nothing.aside and.yet our -potential buyers are at least.600%0 over our potential buyers at the present time. Mr. -Shatz: There is land for regional use expansion.and the answer. -is why I suggested.that in an.area which lies west of Glendora extending over to Vincent across Vincent and south of the Freeway. There is between.70 and 80 acres of land in large parcels here and because of the concentration of facilities in the area and excellent access and network of streets and possibility of Freeway north.and south and transit it will tend to attract to that area and by suggesting.that open.area.it has been thus indicated that perhaps that land could be so reserved .to draw .from a.regional area. I do not dispute some purchase power from 10 miles, Sears claims 20, but I feel that is small. About 8.0%.of your trade area is within 5 miles as a general rule. If you were to spot these regional facilities they tend to.locate 10 miles apart but -as the area becomes more in- tensively developed these facilities do tend to.locate closer and closer, as for an example in.the San'Fernando Valley.locations where locations -are growing up,and.there-is the tendency to take advantage of the purchasing power. .As -to-the figure cited of.600%,.I wouldn't comment on that but on the basis of what you have within the City.and on.its periphery with some of the larger.discount stores on -the other side of.the present..City .boundaries I am -not sure but that this would, diminish the need for further .commercial facilities .but we estimate 400,000 people in this area. I have heard rumors, until recently,.that the May Company has found it hard going assuming that dollars in this area are not enough to produce stability but now you.have the Broadway and competition .and in terms.of.4.00,000 people with an ultimate of 700,000 you, I would say, now.have enough commercial in.this community and.the • surrounding.area to -meet those needs and yet you must grow to some 10 0% . Councilman Heath: Eventually then -you feel that two developments similar to the Broad- way, of which they took 30 acres ora bit more, would be adequate enough to establish us as the out- standing shopping center of the area? Isn't this a little bit short? • • 0 C.C. 6-4-62 (Adi , ) HEARING COMPREHENSIVE.GENERAL PLAN.- continued Mr, Shatz: ern portion.of the valley now. Page Twenty -One The two facilities you have here now.make you the -outstanding commercial complex in the east - Mr. -Eisner. If you .will observe -the facts of Life in communities where these regional centers.have grown and become successful you will note they are compact. If you spread this commercial land.out all over the place you will only have broken down to incompatible development°- The areas where people goiin terms of spending dollars and cents are:one-stop-shopping centers, otherwise you create just a great big mass of red and as a result you.create a situation.which.is-unattractive to any merchandiser because he does not know where he will get the attraction of people. Those already in use, onset aside, is perhaps the best future for your community in being.the shopping,centere Councilman Heath: Within.4 years the area will be 100% saturated.with residential, .and using the normal 4% increase per year as the'County uses,.i-f.this is true, the potential market will increase considerably and two more Broadway type enterprises isn't going to make us the center of everything. We need more than that. -Mr.-Eisner: 'No, it will not but where they will be placed to maximize the relation between them is of im- portance. Within these areas in use -they are not as productive as they might be and these places are already compact. It is -the major re- gional centers if you want t.o b.e-.successful have to7be unified. Councilman Heath: If you go further there are plans down on -Azusa --Avenue south of the City limits for over•100.acres of commercial, Mr. Eisner' That will have an effect on your total purchasing power. Councilman Heath: But.if we have potential zoning in our City,it will attract them.to-us first and we should look forward 20 years not 6 or 7.years from now. Mr;�Shatz: I do not believe there has been.any statement as to -growth in regard to -what Councilman�Heath has stated and the growth.rate has dropped off considerably but we didn't indicate when the community.would get to ultimate development. The County.had the deviceofa 25 year period as to future planning.periodo They stated 1980 but because of unanticipated growth it was i-ndicated.19700 Mow.they talk of.horizon years but we do not know when that is. •We cannot say the exact rate of growth, this we -do not know, but we�have just indicated ultimates. Councilman -Heath: There is relationship to when we will be,saturated in relation.to Diamond Bar% C.C. 6-4-62 (Adj , ) Page Twenty -Two 'HEARING COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN,- continued Mr. -Shatz.' When Pomona does this renewal . in their downtown area it will give many,things you do not have. We have a pedestrian mall, Broadway, Civic Center, etco,.but what they are now doing is transforming Second Street, the heart of their business area and of the City, and in -the light of this and with -.Sears area on the est this will be a very strong froce in the entire valley ,in seeking out retail business and you also have the Whittier Hills which.will start to develop business enterprises and retail sales. If you.can get.i-n.something like Bullocks.or-something of this caliber I an all for it and theplan-provides for or possibly two of these use types. However, too much and you can become confronted by street problems. I am.working on the Bunker'Hill projects and we are con- fronted -with just..that, street problems., because the proposals being indicated for here are not going to,carry,the traffic so we have the buildings but not adequate streets. You could have that very thing, here. Every.street, regardless, has itslimited capacities and com- mercial use would reach that point in West Covina which is so completely dependent upon the automobile and streets are already doing.a lot of carrying.work. Councilman,Heath; Along with this plan there could be study of streets and .highways and open access.to,Grand Avenue and beat Pomona to the punch. • Councilman Towner: I think the proposed General Plan, as presented, is self-explanatory as to what they have done and.why they -have done it and that possibly we will have another hearing. In any.azent, Councilman Snyder is not present this evening and so as ;to participate in the considerations and to know of what transpired.here we should possibly -hold this hearing open tonight. Councilman.Jetto .I.think we-should.hold the hearing open but adjourn at this time and .resume this matter at our next meeting because I have a number of questions and..perhaps there are other people who may desire to present testimony, plus the fact that Council- man Snyder.should-have the benefit of studying what has been.offered this evenings Mayor Barnes- I have some -questions, too, part - regarding regional centers and where they should be andalso solution to Glendora.Avenue. We must have a problem on Glendora Avenue if what we have,heard.tonight i-s any indication_and.it shows we may need such a study. We should keep the hearing open to -give Councilman Snyder the opportunity to study and review the discuss.ions.we have heard. We can adjourn to June 11, 1962 and at that time set a time and place for any additonal hearings on.the General Plan if it.is Council's desire to do so. Motion by,Councilman.Jett, seconded by Councilman Heath, and carried that the meeting be adjourned at.10:55 P.M. to Monday, June 1.1, 1962, at 7:30 P.M. AT-rc- +TY eFRK